Referring to younger staff variously as “kids” or “the children”, Dame Zaha, cloaked in black and with smudges of fuchsia on both her eyes and lips, says she is approachable.
Those who know her (and prefer not to be named) characterise her as volcanic – she blows up but then it’s over. There are no lasting grudges. Her business partner, architect Patrik Schumacher, says the explosions are the byproduct of “uncompromising standards”, suggesting such bust-ups are normal in creative offices.
— ft.com
She pulls the architect responsible to one side. “I don’t care where [the lights go] as long as they’re not in my presence,” she snaps. Dame Zaha’s two assistants stare at the ground. Moments later they fall to the floor to take off her high-heeled Martin Margiela ankle boots so she can walk five yards across the room.
Why does this globally renowned architect – the first female winner of the Pritzker award (considered the Nobel Prize of the field) – pick on her employees? “Some people take the piss and I don’t like that,” she says. “People have to understand my limits. There is a point of no return. Most people who work with me know that line.” You cannot run a business and be “a complete doormat”.
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This is why you should never work under a prima donna in the creative field... i've meet many similar bullying types.
I wouldn't work for free, but I'd be happy to be bullied by Zaha for a short term. Like a wilderness survival camp-type vacation.
The Devil Wears Martin Margiela?
This is a sad statement of the power of celebrity in our culture. Hard work, no problem, low wages, done that, paying your dues, absolutley. Getting bullied, no thanks.
right - you cannot be a doormat as a boss, but you don't want doormat employees either. I wonder what happens when someone pushes back?
Diplomacy aside. Donna Sink. Wow. Your comment is as low as Hadids and Schumachers lame comments regarding their inexcusable behavior. They have an idea in their heads that “uncompromising standards” is the reasons being for such behaviour. Hadid had to fight her way to the top because of a male dominated industry and forgot along the way to find a balance. Self integrity and self respect at lost.
@Donna - I was a bit bothered by your comment too - Are you saying you'd like to be in an abusive relationship for a short period of time? You actually want to be bullied?
Once you submit to being a flunky - you will never get off your knees "like a dog that's been beat too much" KInd of like FLLW and his flunky fellowship - very few of those people could think for themselves - when the old man died, they were lost -
Like a wilderness survival camp-type vacation.
Synthetic hardship, you guys. Jeez, sense of humor, please.
i would only do this for donna.
perhaps Zaha wants to star in a reality show?
Zaha does Ozzie's new house reality show
@GiaCarbello & toasteroven - whoa. did you seriously take Donna Sink seriously?
I didn't really understand the context of "wilderness survival camp." (I guess it's like boot camp?) and jokes about "bullying" or "being bullied" do not work with me.
(from an episode in abracadabra, FAIA)
It has been a few months working as Zaha Hadid's receptionist / confidante. I learned what there is to learn from her architecture office and told her that I must leave pretty soon to apply the professional practice knowledge to my own gig. She said that would be fine and how much she valued my showing up in her life and how much I made the world a more beautiful place for her, and everything.. And, she asked me to come up with employee hiring test questions for her before I left for West Covina as one last favor. She told me to come up with questions that would give her an idea where the potential employee's ass is at.
so it goes,
Zaha Hadid Assoc., Employee Rare Opportunity Test
1- You are "fired" what would you do?
a-cry and call my parents in their yacht
b-loot/find an office electronic and leave
c-start a thread in archinect about your experience
2- How much money you have in your pocket?
a- 6.50 - 17.40
b-no cash money but some 10 $ rock bags I know I can sell.
c-My diddy's corporate credit card and the latest i-pad
3- What can you do for Zaha?
a-models and drawings
b-models and dodging
c-drawings and diving
4-Who is Abracadabra, faia?
a-famous janitor who suing David Childs for copyright, from the jail.
b-Sports great who is in jail
c-A literary figure posing as an architect who is in jail
5-in which building you would want to fart?
a-FOG proposal in Jerusalem
b-FOG proposal in Panama
c-FOG proposal in Spain for a hotel
6-Which section of Archinect you spend most of your time at work?
a-discussions
b-salary polls
c-rita novel's links
7-If Zaha hands you a paper with a dot on it and says 'thanks', what would you do?
a-ask her what it is for
b-tell her the dot on it is so beautiful and say "wow maam i get it."
c-crumble it and throw in the trash and say, "you are welcome. that was a three point throw."
8-In 2003 which hotel sued Rem Toolhaas for doing away with the
embossed towels and a pillow?
a-motel 69
b-motel 8
c-hotel California @ La Brea
9-Do you think Zaha is beautiful?
a-yes she is indeed
b-yes yes she is gorgeous
c-oooh yea there is nothing tells me she is not a looker
10-How many days you plan to work here?
a-at least 12 hours
b-more than 12 but not to exceed 40
c-as long as she loves me, and I know that could be up to 200 hours.
11-Zaha is looking at your drawing what do you do?
a-stand up 6 feet away and sway left to right in my all black outfit
b-stand up 8 feet away and sway back to front in my all black outfit
c-sit on a stool 12 feet away and play pack man on my pocket computer in my fancy graphic lovers t-shirt which I won in a design contest.
12- It is Monday morning and there are 5 new hires in the reception area., and you have been working there almost 80 hours, a senior position, which hire you pick up to clean your computer and shine your shoes etc.,?
a-the one with mini skirt
b-the one with crack pipe neckless
c-three of them for no particular need
13-It is Saturday and Zaha asks you to score some coke for the office, do you mark it up?
a-fuck yeah
b-no, it is for the entire team
c-I tell her I couldn't score much, and there is just enough for me and her
14-Who invented the wheel?
a-California
b-Zaha
c-Bruce
15-You are stranded on an island with Zaha, how would you treat her?
a-make her to design/built a primitive hut and tell her it looks like shit
b-tell her, she'll always be my boss and her boots are made for walkin'
c-do a "swept away" thing but catch the plane.
There are no correct answers. Except to question # 9. Good luck and remember to be fired on time..
For christ's sakes people its not personal. Some of the best people I have ever worked for and learned from in life have been complete dictators, but they usually made up for it in other ways. Architecture is a bloody hard business, and any weakness I see around me is usually exploited or decimated. If you can't take the abuse from Zaha how the fuck are you going to take the abuse from the plan examiner, a client or even the general public? The fact that a a guy like Patrick Schumacher would stick around a deamon like her as long as he has means she's alot more than just a dictator.
It's a global practice.
the peanut gallery has to say something because they can't handle it.
Apurimac, good points, but its retarded to think that she is schooling people for their professional life by being so bad to them.
If you can't take the abuse from Zaha how the fuck are you going to take the abuse from the plan examiner, a client or even the general public?
Most architects don't have abusive relationships with a plan examiner, a client, or even the general public, that is, if they don't design high visibility buildings. This logic makes no sense whatsoever. Most people work for outfits and clients that are very sedate. I think the baseline on star-inspired "archinect" is different. Look at the M.Arch. commiserate thread. You'd think that some of these people are walking over a thin glass floor to hell if they don't get into these Top 5 schools. You can still be an architect if you don't get into these grad schools. Similarly, I think they are chasing stars upon leaving school. Again, you can still be an architect if you don't work for stars. Worked with a woman who worked for Richard Meier for a year or two ... she seemed neutral about the experience (no bad nor glowing reports). Did she become a great architect because of moving an AutoCAD mouse in Meier's office? No. She is living in her small home state doing institutional work the last time I checked in with her.
Diplomacy aside. Donna Sink. Wow. Your comment is as low as Hadids and Schumachers lame comments regarding their inexcusable behavior. They have an idea in their heads that “uncompromising standards” is the reasons being for such behaviour. Hadid had to fight her way to the top because of a male dominated industry and forgot along the way to find a balance. Self integrity and self respect at lost.
Totally agree. Donna has blacklisted me for saying Zaha looked like a water buffalo. I said it because Zaha is apparently an ugly person inside, too. Your comment about forgetting how to find a balance is SPOT ON. If you don't respect others, you don't respect yourself. There is a LOT brewing underneath the persona of a Machiavellian dictator. The problem is that I called a woman a name. God forbid. When in grad school, I lived in a complex during the 1st year with grad students from all disciplines. This big, balding thuggish guy who was about 25 but looked 35 was termed a "moose" by one of my classmates. Double standard for castration much?
Taking abuse from your boss who pays you and will hopefuly write a recommendation is equivalent to taking abuse from the general public? That's like an abusive parent telling their child they're getting them ready for the big bad world, thoughening them up. Wow, I always knew there was an architect as suffering artist complex, but some of this boarders on neurotic.
People put up with this kind of abuse for the same reason they do in any industry, they feel it's the price of getting initiated into the upper echelons, and there's plenty of proof that it does, so it's hard to argue empirically. I had a professor who litterally told the class 'I ate shit so you're going to'. This force of personality crap has made a lot of people do things they regret latter on, unless they decide to pay it forward and become the person they hated as a child, but then again, what do children know
The reason some accept it and others don't though has to do with one's psychology and personal history, not whether or not they are mentally tough. It's up to everyone to decide what they'll put up with and what they won't, but to condone bullying on any evel is the height of stupidity. To each their own I guess.
The reason some accept it and others don't though has to do with one's psychology and personal history, not whether or not they are mentally tough. It's up to everyone to decide what they'll put up with and what they won't, but to condone bullying on any evel is the height of stupidity. To each their own I guess.
Correct. I wonder if anybody has ever told her "where the f**k she can go?" I'm sure someone or several people have. I wonder if that changes their prospects for work in London, or if they just leave it off their resume?
I only had one negative experience in school, and it had to do with an overlap in studio and another class to finish that academic term. As far as the displeasure to be encountered in practice, the only thing I recall is a history prof saying "Architecture is for those doing the cocktail party circuit, sketching on napkins, and for the others, they'll be busing drafting boards and that's not a nice way to make a living." I think architecture is the ONLY discipline that is so self-deprecating in educating its practitioners.
read up on what it's like working in the financial industry. It sounds like you live in some secluded part of idaho.
Apurimac, good points, but its retarded to think that she is schooling people for their professional life by being so bad to them.
Don't believe everything you read, you have to be in-the-know. If you're not, it's just moralist gossip.
read up on what it's like working in the financial industry. It sounds like you live in some secluded part of idaho.
Are you addressing me? I majored in it as an undergrad. Idaho? No. America's 2 largest cities.
New York: Wall Street, mergers and acquisitions, high profile consulting: more cutthroat than architecture could ever be.
A job "counting beans" (same degree) in a large manufacturer, utility, credit union, university, non-profit: typically benign - some of my college friends who are somewhat passive have been working for ONE aerospace/defense outfit their whole careers ... they're not going anywhere because they are "Indians" and not "chiefs," but the gravy train keeps running.
Similarly, in architecture, if you go work for a suburban firm of a big city that does churches, multi-family and senior housing, for example, it won't be like Zaha's. Sure, there might be favoritism, but it too can be fairly ho-hum when the economy is humming along at a normal pace.
you ramble too much bro. it must ADD
Your posts are like those Bing commercials, with profound shallowness.
Your posts are like those Bing commercials, with profound shallowness.
That's a first. I'll make a note of that. Bro?
What a weekend on this venue. I learned who Zaha is. I've been living in a vacuum. At a certain point, stars collide, meaning they all seem to run together.
I knew a strong defense of Zaha would inspire comments. She is still but a lamb compared to some of the people I've worked with in this field. Maybe its New York. Up here it is kill or be killed, Protect ya goddamn neck.
In regards to the shit the general public can fling at you, imagine KPF's chagrin at the fact that their design for the Shanghai World Financial Center was reviled as a symbol of Japanese imperialism, forcing an awkward redesign. Strong criticism can come from anywhere, that's why we have juries in architecture school.
I just tire of some of this Zaha hate for the same reason Liberty Bell does. Let's hate her new, lazy designs, not her person. She gets an amazing quantity of stuff done and you have to respect her for that.
Up here it is kill or be killed, Protect ya goddamn neck.
Is that high-profile Manhattan firms you speak about? The ones everyone wants to work for? What about medium-sized firms in northern NJ, Westchester, and Long Island that aren't published? I would expect that to be different. I've never worked in a firm that had more than 40 to 50 people, and it has always been hard enough work, but never impossible.
well, its not that "defending Zaha" makes for the controversy but rather that the controversy is with the unwarranted attacks replying on snippets of sensationalist journalist and founded on ethically suspect myths.
@ Connely Farr, with respect, your comment is bar none one of the least contributory of all comment on here. It's actually worse than Donnas.
You can grab this argument, dissect it, create streams of arguments as to why its excusable to behave this way, but in the end whether be it in the Architecture industry, the economic industry or the toilet industry, you cannot and should not be allowed to treat a peer this way. A mention of a child was written. Put it this way. Had your “Kid”, as she likes to refer to them, been bullied by Hadid would you still accept such behaviour? If the answer is no, then please, humbly bow out of this argument and admit to your self you are wrong. BUT if you think it would be good for your child and that it will ‘toughen’ her/him up, then please for the love of life, don’t have kids. I’m not a fan of Hadids work, and it doesn’t matter whether I like her work or not. Overall, I welcome it with open arms. It is the type of Architecture that makes the Architecture I like more beautiful in my eyes. We need good and bad Art. It goes back to the notion of balance, something we should all strive in a practice. P.S I should mention to the dear reception that every member of a firm is as important as another and that you where very lucky to exit a job in such a manner. It sounds like she was very nice to you. But don’t forget anyone is capable of being nice, just as much as they can be nasty. I too worked in a high profile firm, in Japan. I was treated very well. I even had a view of Mt Fuji from my window. Funny, my Japanese peers where treated like utter shit. Remember, your experience will not defy Hadids firm, her unacceptable reputable behaviour does that.
I had a professor that worked for Hadid - he was tough "what you need is real swift kick in the ass" from her through him I got squared away - fairness and respect must be earned.
The "kids" or "the children" is the height of condescension. I think they've all gone through puberty upon joining up with her. Thinking about having one's ass kicked, how often does that need to take place? If it's on how something should be better detailed in an office ... and then it's over, FINE. If it's on how to handle a transition or a massing in a school studio ... and then it's over, FINE. Chances are that most people who get a job at a star firm are talented to begin with. They don't need to be constantly put down. If a person "needs" to constantly be put down, even diplomatically, in school or at work, they probably should not be in architecture. "Kids" or "the children" indicates SHE has the problem. And, as for being abused, there's an expression for when this happens in relationships: "the first time, it's the abuser's fault, the second and third time, it's your fault."
actually, Donna's first post contains the most substance amongst all the others here by touching on money as opposed to attitude...some here can take it and dish it out, some won't and don't...fair enough, but we all need quite a lot of money to live in this sorryass world. . does Zaha pay a fair wage to young/incoming employees and interns?
so if the price is right, getting bullied is no problem? Hohoho!
Can we please stop with the overuse and inappropriate use of the suddenly trendy word "bully". Bullying is randomly targeting someone weaker for no reason other than intimidation for pleasure.
If you are in a contractual financial relationship with someone "bullying" doesn't apply; it's just current shorthand for outrage.
But this brings up t a m m u z 's very important point: is Zaha paying her interns? If not, then she (can go to hell) should be subject to legal penalties, as should any "employer" who isn't meeting legal definitions for free internship work (I'm assuming Great Britain has similar laws around unpaid labor as we have in the US). If she's paying them, well, as long as the relationship is beneficial to them both, anything within the job description goes.
I can see why you're uncomfortable with the term "bully" becasue you used it as a joke and got called out for it. Clearly, some like tammuz blithely phrase is as "some here can take it and dish it out, some won't and don't...fair enough", yet for those whom this kind of behavior is destructive, it's not a matter of just "taking it". And while we all are aware that it exists, much like the sexism you rightly fight against, joking about it simply makes that kind of behavior seem more acceptable. I know a nice guy who got pushed around too much, because he was a small guy, never beaten up, just verbally bullied. I'd like you to tell him to stop being so trendy. Tell him becasue he was targeted specifically and not randomly, he wasn't experiencing bullying.
If you are in a contractual financial relationship with someone "bullying" doesn't apply; it's just current shorthand for outrage.
Digging deeper at this point probably isn't the best avenue. How can you speak for others to say that the bullying they feel is just "ourtage"? As the old saying goes "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me". I'm not sure this is true.
Thayer: read what I wrote. The situation you describe is bullying. I'm absolutely not saying bullying doesn't exist; dozens of gay teenagers in the US who have committed suicide bear that out. I'm asking that we not lessen the reality of school-based bullying by using that term every time an adult says something mean to another adult. The two situations are not comparable.
Edited to add: you're right that my use of the word "randomly" above was incorrect. Bullying is, as you say, specifically targeting someone weaker, but someone to whom the bully has no relationship beyond seeing them as a target. In an employee-employer relationship both parties have power, so bullying doesn't apply.
Nobody's lessening the reality of bullying except you by parsing what you'd qualify as bullying and what is "saying something mean". Isn't saying something mean a form of bullying? Furthermore, you seem to be making a distinction between "school-based bullying" and when "an adult says something mean to another adult", but's that not what you said.
You used the word "bullied" referencing Ms. Hadid's behavior, which I would agree with. Taking her shoes off, being called a kid? Bullying isn't a school-based phenomenon nor is it the exclusive provenance of "gay teenagers", it's a human phenomenon unfortunatley, one that shouldn't be joked about. Sexism is another form of bullying where by a woman is made to feel intellectually inferior with words, much like Ms. Hadid and her side kick Patrik Schumacher seem to traffic in. Ms. Hadid even spoke about the sexism she's had to endure, and I defended her, but being bullied dosen't make it ok to do oneself.
I once had a hillarious back and forth on some blog with Mr. Schumacher that I won't soon forget. He was going on about something or another with typical obtuseness, when I finally questioned what he was saying. He jumped on me like white on rice, accusing me of all sort's of wrongs. The implication was clear, if you question him, you're a dope and should keep your mouth shut. Fortunatley, I wasn't under a contractural relationship and thoroughly enjoyed his Bill O'Reily meltdown.
This kind of behavior is unfortunatly all to common in architecture where by the more abstract and convoluted one's rationale, the more one is seen as having a superior idea and even intellect. Now I actually like some of thier work, very striking indeed, but some of the word salad that get's thrown in is a bit more than I can stomach. The point though is that I got a clear sense of what Patrik Schumacher means when he says the explosions are the byproduct of “uncompromising standards”. People can rationalize "explosions" for all sorts of reasons, that dosen't make them any the less intimidating to the person on the recieving end, and if you could empathize with that person for a second, you'd realize why it's not a joking matter.
in my observation (and this thread is proving my observations right), there are different thresholds of acceptance and of outrage depending on the chemistry between people. there is no simplistic formula.
i had a really assholic project manager - this was recognized by everyone who worked with him (except himself most probably)- above me before and i called him out a couple of times but you can't change an asshole. you can tell her or him, however, to watch out when they do cross the line. i didn't quit. i shouted back at him a couple of times. and i'm ready to shout at him again..but thankfully the new PM is an angel by comparison. for fucks sake i had to live in saudi arabia for 3-4 years as a social outcast. a skirmish here and there is nothing in comparison. AND you do have the choice of not working at that office. this was a choice of another friend of mine.
also, i have seen people who were very polite on the outside turn out to be hypocrites and backstabbers. on the other hand, i know people who are brusque and gruff, even arrogant and short tempered, but have proven to be much more ethically minded and principled when it came to the meat of the matter. and between those two poles, countless shades of grey. discernment between what is right and what is wrong is dependent on the context (which includes a mutual agreement on conduct even if that extended to sadomasochism if both parties are accepting.) and subjectivite appeal or repellent determines the dynamics. hence my previous post. no, not blithe but open to possibilities.
so...i do not understand why, on the basis of rumour and sensationalist journalism (few snippets thereof that are obviously caricaturizing in scope), you are ready to condemn the lady. have you watched one of those lars von trier movies? its sort of like that. immorality in the name of morality...a witch hunt. for myself, i see this as a build up of assumptions that are more a reflection of one's phobias than of reality and a guage for how much of apreator you are as it concerns others people's realities.
is it a fact that she is a bully: no..because what could be furnished as proof is trivial
is it a fact that you (for instnace, observant) are commiting slander: yes because you're insulting and badmouthing her on the basis of non-facts.
otherwise, we are only talking about very subjective assessments that need no proof to bgein with ..and hence: "there are those that accept it and dish it(or not) and those who cant and wont (or do)" - the bracketed additions makes allowance for the hypocrites. and personally, i see ho reason why caling her young employees "children" a sign of bullying if they accept it and perhaps endearingly so. perhaps they call her "old woman"..or "grandmother" in the absence of the journalist.. we don't know the context. now had she called them my ittle beautifully spotted dalmatians, i would begin to worry for their safety...
i see ho reason why caling her young employees "children" a sign of bullying if they accept it and perhaps endearingly so
As long as they accept it, it's not bullying? ok. It's not whether she is a bully or not, it's whether we should be advocating masochism. Should interns have to endure mental abuse? I quess that's up to the individual and their circumstances, but in no way should we countenance this kind of beahvior. Can you imagine "shoutng back" as Ms. Hadid, assuming she's a bully, which I have no way of knowing since I have not experienced it first hand and this in know way is meant to imply that she is...)?
Wow, I was reading along and thought you were making a well thought out post, t a m m u z, but, please ...
1) An opinion of someone based on their appearance may not be kind, and some may not like it, but it is an opinion
2) I know nothing about her practice, except for what I have read on this forum, and said IF THIS IS THE CASE, then people shouldn't work there, or tell her where to go. IF THIS IS THE CASE, it is an abusive work environment. Unfortunately, we have been conditioned to tolerate that, it is passed down generationally, and begins in a-school. I am NOT opining on her professional merits. I don't care about her ... and starchitects.
Personally, I don't like her physiognomy (per 1) and what it "tells" me, and that's perfectly fine.
it's like the Marines - it comes with the game
observant : "I said it because Zaha is apparently an ugly person inside, too. "
this is not a matter of possibility (ergo 'if') but what appears to you i.e. a matter of probability based on rash assumptions and a naive tendency to believe a really vapid piece of literature. and have you removed your 'zaha hadid looking like a water buffalo' post? i do not see it above.
observant: "Personally, I don't like her physiognomy (per 1) and what it "tells" me, and that's perfectly fine."
so, you must be a pretty nice amicable of person calling strangers whom you have nought to judge by except looks ...hogs, buffalos, hippos? yes? perhaps you need to send me a picture of you so i can confirm whether your physiognomy signifies such a kind of person and whether your theory is indeed intact.
^
It doesn't have to be. I know plenty of people (most people) who graduated from a-school and went to 50 to 200 person quality downtown firms in large markets and, aside from some political grumblings, did NOT complain about abuse. The only complaints were overtime crunches (yes, like the Marines, I suppose) and blocked upward mobility (well, it's a "pyramid scheme").
Regardless, this thread was meant to fetch responses to a published article. The fact that there are so many articles, threads, and rumblings like this about NUMEROUS famous architects, throughout the profession's history, is indicative that the moniker "the profession that eats its young" has some validity ... and that is what is repugnant to me. Competence, talent, professionalism, and self-selection will take care of metering reward and recognition ... this usually works, but it isn't foolproof.
Condescension is ugly, and speaks to a person's character. To me, calling young employees who are past the age of puberty "kids" and "the children," and who are presumably graduates of excellent schools, is offensive. It also depends on how it's said. If an established and famous architect said, "Yeah, every once in a while, the new kids in the office need a swift kick in the ass to get them back on track and to teach them the realities of what it will take to be successful," that's FINE. If it carries a "let them eat cake" or "you're in the hot seat" attitude, for sport, it is NOT fine. I'll bet this is a gender and race issue with you, t a m m u z, more than anything else.
As for my physiognomy, let's put it this way - I will be dressed up for work and going about my business, and I get asked for directions ... a LOT. One day, it happened during the morning commute, during lunch, and upon leaving the office for transit. That ought to give you a very CLEAR idea. Unfortunately, that level of approachability can also bring about annoyances. But thank you, t a m m u z, and learn to understand that not liking someone based on their appearance or physiognomy is as much the order of the day as is the sunrise.
Patrik Schumacher is the biggest jerk off in architecture.
observant: "I'll bet this is a gender and race issue with you, t a m m u z, more than anything else"
not principally; your insensitivies, voiced previously, on those fronts were noted and criticized. but more principally, and enveloping those other issues you mention, the larger issue is stupidity. i hope that that stupidity is curable and i imagine it to be so in your case, observant. at least we got you to bring in a bunch of "ifs" into your last post. good luck.
Not having been cognizant of stars for a while, because they are less relevant as you mature and have a ho-hum job, I can tell you that there are a LOT of starchitects who (would) nauseate me, from what I've heard and from what I can visually observe, and they are found in both genders and in any race, nationality, and religion.
Even if I didn't bring in the "ifs," your issue, and that of a few others, is to castrate for an opinion about someone's appearance. How many kids, teens, and adults say "Yeah, he (or she) is a fat pig" in ordinary conversation? Many. Get over it ... and get over yourself.
so, observant, in your estimation, its ok to call a girl a "fat pig" and we should get over it and yet you're outraged that zaha hadid calls her young employees "children".
well, i do hope its curable.
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