I'm only about 15 minutes into this, but it's quite interesting. I just want to comment that Kazys mentioned that in 2002 he proposed that we post a blog-like interface on the SCI-Arc website that I was working on as a student. He said that I didn't know how to to create a blog-like system, so we didn't do it. The truth is that I DID also want to do that but I also butted heads with the publications department (but ultimately did compromise with a small news area called "the buzz"). I don't know why Kazys said that I didn't know how to do that because I had been blogging on Archinect since 1998, four years prior to the conversation Kazys was referring to. I actually pitched a publication-type interface to Moss around 2003, with constantly updated content, which was immediately shot-down... but is now seen on the current site in a very similar format to what I proposed 6 years ago.
I'm about to start an exciting project with the University of Kentucky, to re-conceptualize the academic online presence for their College of Design. With Michael Speaks as Dean, I'm sure we'll be able to produce an academic resource that is relevant and useful.
ooo. i want to know more about this, paul. don't just keep it academic, please. there are professionals out here who are interested. (yeah, well, you might have to search a little, but...)
there needs to be a larger discussion on the subject. i also see a certain academic worries and positioning against blogs. much like kazys mentions it at the end about possibility of college courses replaced by internet browsing, etc.. a little change of power over the students. little bit like the problem of the print media is facing today.
i also think architectural writing is still analyzed by the old academic standards and the elitisms.
also, there was a little bit of a salutation to so and so and to self. but hey, that's very common.
javier's marxist bent criticism was very to the point in few occasions.
all in all, there were some really good headings for further discussions brought up by the participants...
thanks for posting the tape quilian...
is kazys the blogger king, who invented much, now?.;.)
maybe archinect should organize a bigger panel. 'online' of course!
Another correction: the Archinect screenshot that Kazys shows from 2002, was actually designed initially in 1998, then slightly revised in 1999 reflecting the same layout that was presented by Kazys. The first iteration of Archinect went live in 1997, with no dynamic content or social interaction features... just a manually updated news feed, links list, book list, a portfolio-creation service.
in 80's it was the cover of progressive architecture where the stars and starlets was visible. it was clear how much role pilar viladas played creating young stars from west coast.
this takes me back to kazys' point of slowly dying stararchitecturism without the powerful print media.
anyway, these stuff is way more complex than it seems.
i made a blog entry last month about architectural firms' websites turning into active magazine websites much like paul is talking about, and javier's mention of holl's late blogging. all the chickens are coming to roost now. including academia where wi-fi provided studio spaces and 1:1 computer ownership of students are common. in many cases, a successful blogger has more influence on the students than the actual instructor.
dot commers return as dot bloggers, and then plus a new generation is everywhere.
all in all, a lot of archi individuals and firms are switching, but without the switching the content to meet the medium/thought/viewpoint.
and a lot of so called archi blogs are there to champion material world. god forbid someone comes up with a solar powered martini mixer. you'll see it everywhere next day saying, " 'we' like that." a cover story mixer with a picture of red eames' chair slightly off focus in the background.
another bit came out from my upcoming mike davis article was that he mentioned blogs were ultimately about the self. much like self referential diary entries.
that's true, i like the pictures of my dogs and other personal stuff in my blog.
maybe i am getting far disoriented but, i see a lot of things are getting neutralized and sometimes desensitized and obsolete because of blogs.
sevensixfive - Archinect.net is still being worked on, but it went through a major stage of re-conceptualization after the initial announcement a couple years ago. I've decided to move forward with distinctly different platforms for professional vs social use. The professional platform is actually scheduled to start development next week, with the social platform immediately following. The social platform will be loosely based on what already exists on Archinect, but with new features and technology to better accommodate how people currently use, or want to use Archinect.
Oh yes indeed, I also had a lot of questions as I prepared this about what even counts as a blog anymore... Archdaily is now more network-like, much like this website (and its sister sites), than something like bldgblog. but this would require a longer conversation... I do think we have to keep the word blog for now in part because of how many internet users adopt it and make it a part of their daily life. blogging has morphed and changed and now encompasses "microblogging", "tumblelogging", even annotatiing bookmarks, but it's still relevant. It's hard to measure but I think it plays a part in people's everday cognition, subtlely filtering the world they see as potential fodder for blogging.
FYI..."High Quality Replica Rolex Watches" in now up (and somewhat updated) on my blog.
Javier - finally listened to this, the most interesting parts are those that hint towards the development of a comprehensive kind of theory of blog-value. A lot to talk about there.
orhan - some academics are worried about this medium because they, like the old-school newspaper reporters, aren't used to defending themselves against the shear volume of criticism (or the chance that no one will actually read or respond to what they say). If a prominent academic posts something and a bunch random nobodies like ourselves can easily rip them a new one, then why contribute to a medium where they hold little or no power in the way they are used to? They'll have to re-establish their reputation in a new world by promoting and constantly defending their ideas, not through political connections and celebrity - and I suspect many are scared that they simply can't compete.
ok - I should probably listen to the audio - I'm sad I missed this - I have a lot going on lately...
toasteroven, i partially agree with you. at another part, i don't necessarily see it that way. i mean -attack and defend-like. it is the immediacy of the medium that also brings a lot of spontaneity and gut reaction to some of the traditionally lesser exposed ideas, subjects and theories, let's say, in our own field of architecture and urbanism. the accessibility by all is an important point here. i see a lot of effort to seperate the fluff from acedemia but there is also word out, it is done to not defend the ideas and work but payrolls and power positions.
in the end, what really counts is the germination of critical views.
what i see in blog world is mostly shameless neutrality and the lack of historical theory.
so, i can see the true acedemics' concern and rightly so.
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I'm only about 15 minutes into this, but it's quite interesting. I just want to comment that Kazys mentioned that in 2002 he proposed that we post a blog-like interface on the SCI-Arc website that I was working on as a student. He said that I didn't know how to to create a blog-like system, so we didn't do it. The truth is that I DID also want to do that but I also butted heads with the publications department (but ultimately did compromise with a small news area called "the buzz"). I don't know why Kazys said that I didn't know how to do that because I had been blogging on Archinect since 1998, four years prior to the conversation Kazys was referring to. I actually pitched a publication-type interface to Moss around 2003, with constantly updated content, which was immediately shot-down... but is now seen on the current site in a very similar format to what I proposed 6 years ago.
I'm about to start an exciting project with the University of Kentucky, to re-conceptualize the academic online presence for their College of Design. With Michael Speaks as Dean, I'm sure we'll be able to produce an academic resource that is relevant and useful.
ooo. i want to know more about this, paul. don't just keep it academic, please. there are professionals out here who are interested. (yeah, well, you might have to search a little, but...)
there needs to be a larger discussion on the subject. i also see a certain academic worries and positioning against blogs. much like kazys mentions it at the end about possibility of college courses replaced by internet browsing, etc.. a little change of power over the students. little bit like the problem of the print media is facing today.
i also think architectural writing is still analyzed by the old academic standards and the elitisms.
also, there was a little bit of a salutation to so and so and to self. but hey, that's very common.
javier's marxist bent criticism was very to the point in few occasions.
all in all, there were some really good headings for further discussions brought up by the participants...
thanks for posting the tape quilian...
is kazys the blogger king, who invented much, now?.;.)
maybe archinect should organize a bigger panel. 'online' of course!
I'm glad you mention the out-of-school professional interests Steven, and I will definitely contact you when we start the process.
Another correction: the Archinect screenshot that Kazys shows from 2002, was actually designed initially in 1998, then slightly revised in 1999 reflecting the same layout that was presented by Kazys. The first iteration of Archinect went live in 1997, with no dynamic content or social interaction features... just a manually updated news feed, links list, book list, a portfolio-creation service.
Paul, are you still working on archinect.net? Whatever happened with that?
in 80's it was the cover of progressive architecture where the stars and starlets was visible. it was clear how much role pilar viladas played creating young stars from west coast.
this takes me back to kazys' point of slowly dying stararchitecturism without the powerful print media.
anyway, these stuff is way more complex than it seems.
i made a blog entry last month about architectural firms' websites turning into active magazine websites much like paul is talking about, and javier's mention of holl's late blogging. all the chickens are coming to roost now. including academia where wi-fi provided studio spaces and 1:1 computer ownership of students are common. in many cases, a successful blogger has more influence on the students than the actual instructor.
dot commers return as dot bloggers, and then plus a new generation is everywhere.
all in all, a lot of archi individuals and firms are switching, but without the switching the content to meet the medium/thought/viewpoint.
and a lot of so called archi blogs are there to champion material world. god forbid someone comes up with a solar powered martini mixer. you'll see it everywhere next day saying, " 'we' like that." a cover story mixer with a picture of red eames' chair slightly off focus in the background.
another bit came out from my upcoming mike davis article was that he mentioned blogs were ultimately about the self. much like self referential diary entries.
that's true, i like the pictures of my dogs and other personal stuff in my blog.
maybe i am getting far disoriented but, i see a lot of things are getting neutralized and sometimes desensitized and obsolete because of blogs.
sevensixfive - Archinect.net is still being worked on, but it went through a major stage of re-conceptualization after the initial announcement a couple years ago. I've decided to move forward with distinctly different platforms for professional vs social use. The professional platform is actually scheduled to start development next week, with the social platform immediately following. The social platform will be loosely based on what already exists on Archinect, but with new features and technology to better accommodate how people currently use, or want to use Archinect.
I think it's time to redefine the word "blog". It's too ambiguous now.
Yes .... please get rid of the word "blog". I always describe my site as a "site" or "website".
Oh yes indeed, I also had a lot of questions as I prepared this about what even counts as a blog anymore... Archdaily is now more network-like, much like this website (and its sister sites), than something like bldgblog. but this would require a longer conversation... I do think we have to keep the word blog for now in part because of how many internet users adopt it and make it a part of their daily life. blogging has morphed and changed and now encompasses "microblogging", "tumblelogging", even annotatiing bookmarks, but it's still relevant. It's hard to measure but I think it plays a part in people's everday cognition, subtlely filtering the world they see as potential fodder for blogging.
FYI..."High Quality Replica Rolex Watches" in now up (and somewhat updated) on my blog.
Paul - awesome, looking forward to the dot net.
Javier - finally listened to this, the most interesting parts are those that hint towards the development of a comprehensive kind of theory of blog-value. A lot to talk about there.
orhan - some academics are worried about this medium because they, like the old-school newspaper reporters, aren't used to defending themselves against the shear volume of criticism (or the chance that no one will actually read or respond to what they say). If a prominent academic posts something and a bunch random nobodies like ourselves can easily rip them a new one, then why contribute to a medium where they hold little or no power in the way they are used to? They'll have to re-establish their reputation in a new world by promoting and constantly defending their ideas, not through political connections and celebrity - and I suspect many are scared that they simply can't compete.
ok - I should probably listen to the audio - I'm sad I missed this - I have a lot going on lately...
toasteroven, i partially agree with you. at another part, i don't necessarily see it that way. i mean -attack and defend-like. it is the immediacy of the medium that also brings a lot of spontaneity and gut reaction to some of the traditionally lesser exposed ideas, subjects and theories, let's say, in our own field of architecture and urbanism. the accessibility by all is an important point here. i see a lot of effort to seperate the fluff from acedemia but there is also word out, it is done to not defend the ideas and work but payrolls and power positions.
in the end, what really counts is the germination of critical views.
what i see in blog world is mostly shameless neutrality and the lack of historical theory.
so, i can see the true acedemics' concern and rightly so.
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