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RIP Sinéad O’Connor. She was wildly talented and wildly prophetic, and always a champion of the oppressed. Her music was a huge part of my life back in architecture school.



Jul 26, 23 3:34 pm  · 
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Wood Guy

She was always a favorite of mine. I remember watching SNL in college when she tore up the Pope's photo--wild times! She stood up for what she believed in, regardless of the consequences.

Jul 26, 23 3:53 pm  · 
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Looking now at videos of her performing when she was in her early 20s and I just keep thinking godDAM why wasn’t I braver back then?! I had power back then, I was afraid to use it. Embarrassed to speak the truth. I think 20yo women are braver now.

Jul 26, 23 10:34 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]


Power is in The Hands of The Creative
Jul 26, 23 10:53 pm  · 
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It's almost the weekend!  

Anyone have fun plans?!? 

Jul 28, 23 10:47 am  · 
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Wilma Buttfit

Going fishing.

Jul 28, 23 10:58 am  · 
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Wood Guy

Family reunion tomorrow, then Building Science Summer Camp on Sunday!

Jul 28, 23 11:07 am  · 
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Sweet!

Jul 28, 23 11:57 am  · 
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JLC-1

yes, 52nd edition of mountain fair in carbondale , colorado

Jul 28, 23 12:14 pm  · 
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I'm going to go see Oppenheimer and do some mountain biking!

Jul 28, 23 12:50 pm  · 
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My husband was ill all weekend and not moving from the couch so we finally binged the entirety of The Bear, both seasons, and it was excellent. So damn good. Also it was too hot out to do anything.

Aug 1, 23 10:17 am  · 
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sameolddoctor

The Bear is so good.

Aug 7, 23 5:56 pm  · 
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axonapoplectic

last time I was looking for work I would get maybe one or two interviews a month. I’ve been actively looking for the past 2 weeks and I’ve gotten interviews at every single place I’ve sent my resume to. This is crazy.

Jul 31, 23 4:36 pm  · 
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There was definitely a lull, but it seems to be gone now. I've been getting cold calls for interviews even though I went out on my own.

Jul 31, 23 5:05 pm  · 
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axonapoplectic

It’s mostly small to mid size firms. Large firms still seem to be in a tightening mode.

Jul 31, 23 7:59 pm  · 
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pandahut

I feel like career trajectory should go Large > Medium > Small. That is my takeaway and I need to speed run this thing before I run out of time!

Jul 31, 23 8:08 pm  · 
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axonapoplectic

I did apply for government work, but have been finding that the process there is designed for people who already have jobs. It is several rounds of interviews and can take a couple months before they offer you the position.

Aug 1, 23 8:53 am  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Greatest Architect of Our Generation

RIP Rem Koolhas

Jul 31, 23 7:44 pm  · 
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ivanmillya

What happened to Rem?

Aug 2, 23 7:58 am  · 
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Died of cancer.  He was 70 years old. 

Aug 2, 23 1:19 pm  · 
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ivanmillya

I think Rick must've missed a joke.

Aug 2, 23 3:02 pm  · 
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I guess?

Aug 2, 23 3:44 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

I am now the greatest nector.

Aug 2, 23 6:34 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

"I don't make buildings, I make smiles." Pee-Wee Hermanhaas


Hip-hop and you don't stop.

Aug 2, 23 6:47 pm  · 
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beta you've always been the greatest 'nector.

Aug 3, 23 2:55 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

...in my mind.

Aug 3, 23 3:41 pm  · 
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vado retro

This is the end. My only Rem, the end.

Aug 5, 23 7:21 pm  · 
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axonapoplectic

Do people not send thank you notes after interviews anymore? I thought it was common courtesy but apparently the places I’ve been interviewing at seem genuinely surprised that I followed up. Even if I didn’t like the place I’m still going to thank them for taking the time to talk to me and best of luck with their search.

Aug 2, 23 11:10 pm  · 
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Bench

Follow-up question, physical note or email ?

Aug 3, 23 8:40 am  · 
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I've received thank you notes, hand written, from young people interviewing. They must have been taught in their ProPrac classes to send one. People my age are probably less likely to, I would guess.

Aug 3, 23 2:56 pm  · 
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axonapoplectic

Bench - follow up email.

Aug 4, 23 9:33 am  · 
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Definitely email - and even if the email is "thanks, but no thanks" still send it.

Aug 4, 23 10:06 am  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Aufweidersehn, baby.

My emails, have various versions of Pee Weehaas.

Aug 4, 23 1:11 pm  · 
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Having participated in new hi re interviews in recent years, emails seems most we get. So even that (or lack of) definitely serves as a marker of distinction.

Aug 8, 23 1:18 am  · 
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atelier nobody

I've actually gotten kind of flaky about it. Then after a few days I wonder if sending it late would be worse than not sending it at all...

Aug 8, 23 2:21 pm  · 
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archiwutm8

getting real tired of clients nitpicking anything possible to not pay…

Aug 4, 23 11:00 am  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

RIP Kjetil Trædal Thorsen

How You like Them Apples, Will?

Fjuck Snøhetta
Aug 4, 23 6:14 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

They be dropping left and right.

Aug 4, 23 6:30 pm  · 
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vado retro

Mama Mia, here we go again.

Aug 9, 23 4:44 pm  · 
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citizen

Hunting for some good will.

Aug 9, 23 6:45 pm  · 
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see, i dont know who that guy is, and couldnt pick Kjetil Thorsen out of a line up...

although recently did go to a lecture by Craig Dykers. Dont recall what he looks like either at the moment but do remember that he started the lecture by saying he dropped his pants in Calgary to get everyone's attention before he gave a speech for the opening.

Modern culture is so confusing.

Aug 6, 23 6:46 am  · 
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archanonymous

Craig Dykers (in my mental image at least) looks like the mid-40's dad sporting a fanny pack and new balance at disney world.

Aug 7, 23 8:22 am  · 
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Hi TC, this made me chuckle "BalkinsGPT at it again"!

Also late coming to it, but Chad, that was a lovely tribute (back in March) to your mentor. Sounds like you learned alot.

And congrats on stepping out on your own Josh!

Looking forward to Wed (my Friday) as I got a solo dad, long weekend coming up. Including library run(s), lots of walks and pizza.



Aug 8, 23 1:13 am  · 
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Bench

Damn, I missed that before - BalkinsGPT, the original AI.

Aug 8, 23 8:29 am  · 
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citizen

Only if the A stands for 'Anti-'

Aug 8, 23 1:14 pm  · 
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Thanks Nam! It’s been interesting so far, but starting to gain momentum,

Aug 14, 23 10:14 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Jupe Grifters At It Again
Aug 14, 23 7:27 pm  · 
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Bench

Want to provide more context .. ?

Aug 15, 23 8:57 am  · 
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Wood Guy

https://www.jupe.com/ Seems like a pretty cool idea and product. Price starts at $25K--which is a lot for a tent, but not much for a tiny house that can be shipped and set up quickly pretty much anywhere.

Aug 15, 23 10:20 am  · 
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Bench

WG - agree. Im more wondering why b3ta references grifting in the post?

Aug 15, 23 11:25 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

The grifting comments comes from the same people doing the same shortly following the last natural disaster... I forget which one. Capitalizing on tragedy and hawking expensive tents.

Found it.

https://www.dwell.com/amp/arti...

Aug 15, 23 12:32 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

They've been doing the traditional neo-lib disaster capitalism shit. Trying to sell this during the pandemic for nurses, trying get this to UN for disaster areas, migrant and refuge crisis, and now fucking Hawaii. One thing Hawaii doesn't need is more invasive "species". Send money to organizations that know what the community needs. Not this garbage.

Aug 15, 23 6:45 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Not for nothing, but the last fucking thing Hawaii needs is a bunch of Wall Street VC fucktards. Ask me how I really feel.


Aug 15, 23 6:47 pm  · 
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Wood Guy

Seems to me that the community would need housing, quickly, especially considering how tight the housing market is there. This seems like a reasonably priced option for what it is. What do you think would be a better solution?

Aug 16, 23 11:08 am  · 
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Wood Guy

Bench, between the large font above and the small font below the post, it wasn't clear to me whether B3 had commented at all, or if so, which comment was theirs.

Aug 16, 23 11:10 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

WG, the company hawking these pop-up solutions are not genuinely interested in humanitarian efforts. They produce vapour-ware renderings whenever there is a natural disaster in order to drum up traffic and free promotion to their site where they sell 3D folding tents to rich idiots.

Aug 16, 23 11:59 am  · 
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Wood Guy

Are there examples of more appropriate short-term housing for disaster situations? Or glamping? I've had a zillion ideas over the years but they are all expensive. I've designed tiny homes at $80K+/ea. Shipping containers are often lauded for this purpose and they can make sense but they have serious limitations as well.

"Send money to organizations that know what the community needs" sounds good but what organizations can you actually trust to know what they're doing in this regard, and to use funds appropriately? I honestly don't know but I'm interested. 

Aug 16, 23 12:23 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Indigenous organizations, on the ground, not aiming to steal property while families are collecting their dead, a good start.

Aug 16, 23 1:51 pm  · 
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Ugh. Looting gasoline because you need to get to safety is one thing but real estate folk coming in to try to buy the property of people in crisis is just disgusting.

Of course, one is technically illegal while the other isn't but I know who I'd shame first.

Aug 17, 23 10:56 am  · 
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pandahut

Never let a disaster go to waste am I right? The government needs to step in and shield their constituents from predatory real estate investors. Find them, ban them from purchasing property and give them an old fashion Hawaiian ass kicking. The video of the families in the water holding onto a wooden board while embers flew around them was fucking brutal.

Aug 17, 23 12:28 pm  · 
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I just attended an AIA webinar presented by KPFF on how they handled a structural collapse at a building they were working on in Louisville. Really fantastic webinar and reinforced how important it is that we think of the public's safety above all else. 

Aug 15, 23 12:50 pm  · 
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nabrU

The bollards are cheap though? I live in a newly designated high traffic neighbourhood so I'm a bit biased. 

Aug 16, 23 9:51 pm  · 
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nabrU

Why is my comment on the absurdity of NIMBY low traffic neighbourhoods and the cost of bollards hidden? 

In the UK they've in part been implemented out of fear of housing depreciation and have gifted those living within the newly gated communities even more paper growth in housing values. Policies like these increase inequalities in many areas not solely limited to economic ones but also public health. Hackney Council have made a lot of money out of the NIMBY gentrification grift.

Aug 18, 23 2:41 pm  · 
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nabrU

Why is my comment on the absurdity of NIMBY low traffic neighbourhoods and the cost of "bollards" hidden? 

In the UK they've in part been implemented out of fear of housing depreciation and have gifted those living within the newly gated communities even more paper growth in housing values. Policies like these increase inequalities in many areas not solely limited to economic ones but also public health. Hackney Council have made a lot of money out of the NIMBY gentrification grift.

Aug 18, 23 2:53 pm  · 
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Wood Guy

Where is your comment hidden? Your comment history only shows you commenting about bollards here on TC and as far as I can tell the comments are not hidden.

Aug 20, 23 1:10 pm  · 
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nabrU

They were. The bollards were a euphemism for much money spend on cameras to make coin as a response to Tory underfunding of councils and fake socialists running a council for the most (ef)affluent. The Hackney Mayor's housemate got convicted as a nonce last week.

Aug 20, 23 9:46 pm  · 
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Bench

Not seeing anything hidden.

Aug 20, 23 9:52 pm  · 
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nabrU

just the increase in traffic...

Aug 20, 23 9:54 pm  · 
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nabrU

Hackney Council is a clown show of upper middle class entitlement whom push their pollution onto everyone else facilitated by themselves. There's quite a good article in the FT about road tax (I don't drive or own a car) I do live somewhere taking the burden so chiefs who wouldn't have stepped foot in the area can pollute me more. NIMBY gentrification in action...

Aug 20, 23 9:58 pm  · 
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nabrU

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66674744 this is the Fake socialist mayor in Hackney who shared a house with a convicted paedophile. Private Eye is worth a read, they've been reporting on the airated concrete for a few years too https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-... it's also in hospitals, anyone commissioned/suggested that material?

Aug 31, 23 8:50 pm  · 
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axonapoplectic

Interviewing for non-architecture jobs makes me realize just how dysfunctional arch offices are and how grossly underpaid our profession is.

Aug 23, 23 2:37 pm  · 
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I keep hearing this yet I've never encountered it. Other than doctors and investment bankers other professionals with my amount of experience make about the same I do. I am clearly very fortunate. 

If I may ask - what type of new jobs are you interviewing for? Nothing specific - I don't want to jeopardize your anonymity.

Regardless - good luck!

Aug 23, 23 4:30 pm  · 
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nabrU

Every design profession paid a lot better before 2008 in the UK, blame the rich kids IMO. They've fucked it for everyone else, some clowns who went to Eton or the Architectural Association. Now its new clowns who do 'User experience' with masters in human computer interaction. On Bullshit. Indeed.

Aug 23, 23 6:05 pm  · 
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Oh hush nabrU. You sound like a bigoted tool.

Aug 24, 23 10:48 am  · 
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sameolddoctor

Chad, I am assuming you never encountered young Comp. Sci. grads who make 180k starting salary right outta school?

Aug 24, 23 12:06 pm  · 
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I have encountered computer science grads who make around $100k fresh out of school. Same with doctors and lawyers. We're not in the same level of any of those professions though.

I do find it cute that you keep bringing up computer science grads as an example pay inequality though.  It's as if you think that profession is anything like architecture.  I have several friends in CS - it's NOTHING like architecture.  

Aug 24, 23 1:11 pm  · 
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JLC-1

re: CS graduates who "used" to make 180k right out of schools. My oldest son is a CS graduate from a state university, been working for a Canadian software co. for 3 years, recently changed jobs to a local logistics co.; his new boss told him there were several applicants for his job asking 4 times what he is making, almost all of them recently laid-off from the big 4 techs. And my son also told me he's been receiving direct messages on Linkedin from unknown guys asking him to help them with recommendations to get a job, so the CS myth is no longer valid I'm afraid. my son still makes 50% more than I do and he's 28, but he will have to survive in a much worse world than I did, so I find it fair.

Aug 24, 23 2:05 pm  · 
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I still like how someolddoctor likes to say: 

"Look at this other specialized field in high demand. It's nothing like architecture but dang it we architects should be making just as much as them!"

News flash.  Architecture isn't in that much demand and we're not that special.  

Aug 24, 23 3:05 pm  · 
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sameolddoctor

Chad you never mentioned anything about "being on the same level" in your post, so lets get that straight. If you do want to talk about levels, I will say that most professionals that have to study as hard as we do, and work as hard we do make more money at our age. And yes all this point to our field not being in very high demand.

Aug 24, 23 3:11 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

^arch school is not hard, we make it so because we’re fools and told to suffer for our art. Arch school is 4x harder than it should be and too many graduate thinking they are special. Not true. Very Few are worth $$$.

Aug 24, 23 5:24 pm  · 
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joseffischer

forget people who went to school for other stuff then, most people who went to school for architecture and later jumped ship make more money than us at 'our level' Sr sales person giving me my lunch and learn? more, that guy who jumped to construction and is now a sr PM? more, owners rep working at some CM company? more, my entire career whenever I'm (often running) in a meeting of my level people working on the project, I'm the least paid of the bunch.

IMHO it's the design aspect.  design itself is not nearly as special as one thinks it is, and it permeates our field so much that it drags down what would otherwise be more lucrative business development, operational, risk management, and/or knowledge expertise roles, spec writers, envelope consultants, code experts, again more

Aug 24, 23 6:42 pm  · 
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Oh hush someolddoctor

Architecture isn't easy - nothing is. 

Most professionals that study as hard as us make the same as us. Tech, doctors, lawyers, ect - they have studied way harder than us and continue to do so for their entire careers.

Aug 24, 23 7:18 pm  · 
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sameolddoctor

Ha - maybe I should say "study as LONG" and "but WORK as hard" ... I always say that we (kinda) partied a lot in architecture school in our own weird way and pay for it all our lives at work. For Engineers, Doctors etc its the other way around

Aug 24, 23 8:09 pm  · 
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You really think that architects work harder and study longer than doctors, lawyers, and tech? 

Please. 

I have friends in all three fields. The level of schooling they've had and continuing education they participate in far exceeds what architects experience.

Aug 25, 23 10:02 am  · 
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Wood Guy

Chad, I'll agree with you about doctors, though I know many and I'm related to some, and the ones without huge egos who know what I do say it's not that different. I also know a lot of lawyers and I'm related to one; I disagree that their training is more rigorous than an architect's. It seems very similar, and more narrowly focused.

Aug 25, 23 11:34 am  · 
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Meh. Your experiences are clearly different than mine. 

It seems like you're trying to make architecture more important and challenging than it actually is. 

It also sounds like you've got some serious envy issues to deal with.

Good luck with that. 

Aug 25, 23 12:44 pm  · 
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proto

chad, really? "serious envy issues"? you are projecting and also being rude about it...unnecessary

Aug 25, 23 1:29 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

You know why architecture is harder than the other professions - and it doesn't need to be? No one pretends they're a surgeon, a physician, or an attorney, but every architecture school dropout, or person that said they thought about being an architect, is going to tell me how to either do my job, spell the word architect - yes, that last one actually happened - when the reality is that most people can barely tie their own shoes, let alone figure out how do what I do, or how hard I have to work to save them from themselves.

Aug 25, 23 2:01 pm  · 
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proto - I'm not projecting at all.

Someold's posts often contain this idea that he should be making as much as doctors and lawyers because architects have more schooling, need to know more, and our testing is more difficult.

None of that is true but someold keeps saying it. 

That sounds like envy to me.

Aug 25, 23 2:34 pm  · 
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Wood Guy

Chad, are you responding to me? If so, your radar is off--I have no envy whatsoever, aside from a mild annoyance with myself that I have to call myself a designer, not an architect. 

Aug 25, 23 4:31 pm  · 
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You're definitely one of the people that should be able to call themselves an architect, Wood Guy.

Aug 25, 23 7:01 pm  · 
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sameolddoctor

Chad, first off, I never mentioned Lawyers or Doctors. Lawyers I dunno, met a few flaky ones, but I will never compare Doctors to Architects. As an example, I was mentioning Computer Science graduates, whom I believe work much lesser and make way more than us. In my particular ethnicity, there are quite a few CS grads, many of them claiming to not even do 5 hours of work a day, but own at least couple of houses. Perhaps you have not met any of those.

Another example is marketing folk - bullshit all day and make more. There are quite a few more of those professions in my neck of the woods.

And now that you are calling me our on envy, sure I am envious of people who hardly put in 20-30 hours of work a week and make way more -- is that wrong? Perhaps you are very satisfied in your life but a few of us think we deserve more.

Aug 25, 23 8:04 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

This dead horse beat circle again? Want more cash, try asking for more. Pretty simple and if you’re worth it, the big boss man/woman will give it. Otherwise, open up your own shop and pay yourself whatever you want. Spending 4 years making renderings does not equal 100k salaries.

Aug 25, 23 8:23 pm  · 
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sameolddoctor

Yeah that always works NS. lol. There are some things called industry standards... But yes, this is a dead horse, sorry to beat it again.

Aug 25, 23 10:01 pm  · 
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Wood - I was responding to someolddoctor. Your post just snuck in front of my reply.

About once a month for the past several years Someold posts this idea that architects should be paid as much as ______ (doctors, lawyers, tech industry, now marketing people) because we're "better than them.

Aug 26, 23 10:34 am  · 
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Wilma Buttfit

Wood guy, you might consider being a designer an advantage. People know what a designer is and what they do. Not so for architects.

Aug 26, 23 11:50 am  · 
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Wood Guy

Thanks Wilma, and in general it hasn't hurt me--I compete with architects and charge the same or more than the ones I compete with. The general public rarely really understands what an architect or designer does anyway. It just limits me with some clients, with hiring, and with joining certain groups or competitions.

Chad, I thought that might be the case but there was enough time between my post and yours that I wasn't sure. I'm aware of SOD's frequent posting on the topic, and I feel like the resulting conversation is always identical.

Aug 26, 23 4:49 pm  · 
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Wilma Buttfit

I say I’m an architect and a designer. Impresses people way more than it should.

Aug 27, 23 2:11 am  · 
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Wilma Buttfit

I say I’m an architect and a designer. Impresses people way more than it should.

Aug 27, 23 2:11 am  · 
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Wilma Buttfit

Oops. I hear you same old. My brother is a board certified surgeon. We’ve discussed many times who had to work harder and longer for their career and it’s not him. Chad M. seems to have gotten through pretty easily which is great for him but that’s not the case for many.

Aug 27, 23 2:14 am  · 
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Wilma - I never said I got through 'easy' nor did I say that architecture is an 'easy' profession. I said that the other professions that SOD has mentioned (doctor, lawyer, computer science, and even marketing) are more difficult.

I know several people in each of those professions and they all say the same thing: "wow, I could never do what you do". When you dig into it more you learn they're referring to the creative aspect of the career, not education or technical aspects of it.

Every month or so SOD likes to say that architects should be making as much or more than the previously mentioned professions because we have a 'harder' career path and job.  I don't agree with the second part of his statement.    

Aug 28, 23 8:43 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

This dead horse is hilarious and sad. We all know other wankers in other fields. I have several DRs and lawyers in my immediate family... a whole posse of tech-bro acquaintances and every single one of them has had x4 more difficult path to their careers...and their jobs are appropriately more important (maybe not the tech-bros) and difficult/stressful. It's asinine to compare this to architecture where the pain is, as the legend Layne Stanley said, self-chosen.

Y'all really need to shake your heads.  We don't get higher wages because your USA tuition is soo high or because someone decided 4+2y of unnecessary long nights making shiny renderings was a good use of time.  That's why the Drs and co say we archies "have it harder".  It's because those wankers are smart enough to see that arbitrary design education is unnecessarily hard and, at the end of the day, is not the skills that pay the bills.

Aug 28, 23 8:51 am  · 
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sameolddoctor

Chad, again, I have NEVER mentioned that Doctors and Lawyers should be making same or less than us, but if that's what you need to keep pushing your narrative, go on and be happy. But yes we should be making more or equal to the douchey Tech Bros and Marketing "geniuses". Get it?

Aug 28, 23 12:51 pm  · 
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SOM -

In this thread you haven't mentioned doctors or lawyers.

In other threads you have though. I think this is the fourth or fifth iteration of the same post.  You basically poar: "We should be making as much as ______ because we work and study just as hard" 

We don't.  You don't.

Tech bros and marking people can make more money than doctors and lawyers.

Get it?

Aug 28, 23 3:15 pm  · 
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sameolddoctor

Nope, not mentioned us making more than Doctors or Lawyers ever. But if this suits your fantasy then go for it man.

Aug 28, 23 6:24 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

Did not one watch the video I posted? All your answers, and more, can be found there.

Aug 28, 23 7:01 pm  · 
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Wilma Buttfit

Pretty sure I couldn’t work a non-creative job.

Aug 28, 23 8:43 pm  · 
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I'm waiting for Non's video to be made into a graphic novel. Then I'll read it.

Aug 29, 23 9:45 am  · 
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square.

i'm truly shocked people are here claiming tech jobs are difficult.. multiple news stories have recounted stories of people recently fired who were making well over 150k doing nothing all day. https://www.techspot.com/news/98368-tech-employees-they-paid-do-nothing-all-day.html

Aug 29, 23 11:55 am  · 
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Just like any other job it depends on the company. I know tech people who are working 60 - 70 hours a week doing coding, data management, IT, ect.

I know architects who do almost nothing all day yet get paid a full salary.  

It all depends.  

Aug 29, 23 12:21 pm  · 
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sameolddoctor

Yeah, since our bottom line is quite tight, there are much fewer examples of architects who do nothing all day. Much more prevalent in the tech industry

Aug 29, 23 12:27 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

One of my best buds is an ex-tech-bro and his team's weekly burn rate, for a handful of people during product R&D is about 4x that of my office's entire burn month at 20+ staff. There is money in tech-bro stuff and the first to make the next facebook X gets the gold. Not so much in architecture.

Aug 29, 23 12:28 pm  · 
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square.

and i know plenty of architects who work 60 hours a week; working long hours doesn't necessarily equate to difficulty. imo getting a building built is a lot more complex than an app or website, but that's just me.

Aug 29, 23 2:16 pm  · 
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ivanmillya

If I can weigh in... I have a twin who works in the financial tech industry, coding back-end algorithms for a high-volume stock trading app company. He makes about 50% more than I do. From what I've heard, he and plenty of his colleagues work insane hours at crunch time to ensure things run smoothly... on average, about the same as I do.

I think the big difference is that comparing how architects make money to how software developers make money is asinine. They're entirely separate operations. We make money off of a custom service that takes 2-5 years (in my world at least) to perform from concept to close-out. They make money off of a product sale and from information packets and advertising. One is obviously more lucrative than the other. 

I'd love to live in a world where we all worked less and made more, but trying to tear down one worker's profession doesn't increase the payoff from yours. You want more money, go take it up with the industry, or better yet, go argue with capitalism.

Aug 29, 23 4:27 pm  · 
3  · 
ivanmillya

Also for context... he lives and works in NYC, I'm down in southwest Florida. Yes, there are discrepancies between tech and architecture, but I'd be willing to bet that the discrepancy wouldn't be nearly as large if we both worked in the same place.

Aug 29, 23 4:38 pm  · 
2  · 
SneakyPete

The real money in tech is to be made in farcical ideas JUST plausible enough to attract the plutocrats attention so they choose to hide their criminal wealth in your coffers long enough for you to skim off the top but not long enough to be the ones left in when the debtors come calling. There's no grift quite like it in most architectural circles.

Aug 29, 23 4:53 pm  · 
4  · 
sameolddoctor

Jovan you are totally right ... but yes, we need to acknowledge and take it up with the industry. But again, enough of dead-horse-beating from me...

Aug 29, 23 6:27 pm  · 
 · 
b3tadine[sutures]

I agree. We're operating at different ends of capital. Fintechs and Architects, but always in service of capital. Perhaps the difference is that we lost our way, and thought we could leverage our skill to manipulate capital? 

A fools errand.

I took it up with my boss today. Got a 13% increase.

Aug 29, 23 6:50 pm  · 
3  · 
sameolddoctor

Congrats Beta!

Aug 29, 23 9:17 pm  · 
1  · 
Non Sequitur

Beta, I thought you were your own boss...

Aug 29, 23 9:37 pm  · 
1  · 
b3tadine[sutures]

I'm always my own boss, even when I'm not.

Aug 30, 23 10:39 am  · 
4  · 

That's a nice way to look at it b3ta!

Aug 30, 23 11:02 am  · 
1  · 
nabrU

I always still laugh at Schumacher when he tried to patronising about algorithms whilst speaking to him *strong german accent* have you ever used algorithms in your work? I replied no and he looked well smug. Chief.

Aug 31, 23 8:46 pm  · 
 · 
JLC-1

I know this horse is dead, BUT I just helped a client save 100k in windows by busting my brains for a week looking at manufacturer's standard sizes and I'll get paid my regular hourly salary. something doesn't add up, not sure what it is. On top of that, my firm gets paid a % of construction cost, so their fee also went down.

Sep 1, 23 2:55 pm  · 
1  · 
Wilma Buttfit

JLC-1 it’s not designed to make sense.

Sep 1, 23 11:31 pm  · 
1  · 
proto

Quick ques for any MT architects on here...i have a potential residential remodel for a second home of a client here in OR: are there any basic business licensing issues to consider for providing arch services in MT for exempt structures?

Reading the state website, it seems a lot of structures are exempt. The reciprocity process seems clear, but ultimately may not really be necessary for a residential remodel. Owner can contract structural locally or have GC do it if we end up needing that.

Aug 25, 23 11:55 am  · 
 · 
Non Sequitur

Attention Big green head, I typically don't care much for other user's ramblings but Chartres has crossed the line and is using my child's disabilities in a pathetic dick-measuring contest.  User is nothing bu toxic waste anyways, please nuke.

Aug 27, 23 12:53 pm  · 
1  · 

Who is doting this NS? I ask because I cannot stand this type of behavior. BGH - please deal with this.

Aug 27, 23 1:57 pm  · 
1  · 
Non Sequitur

See “Chartres” comments in the AI thread. Wanker only chases my comments to make mental disability snarks, which who cares, but the cunt uses my child’s conditions (which they don’t know details) to get an “edge”. Pathetic and jealous is all they are.

Aug 27, 23 2:18 pm  · 
1  ·  1
Non Sequitur

Nuking appears complete. Thanks BGH.

Aug 27, 23 2:20 pm  · 
2  · 

So is "Chartres" was the user name?

Aug 27, 23 2:22 pm  · 
2  · 
nabrU

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-66673971

Aug 31, 23 9:52 pm  · 
 · 
citizen

I just met a very nice girl (friend of a friend's daughter, both about 13-14) whose first name is Eames.  I love it.

Aug 29, 23 4:32 pm  · 
5  · 
b3tadine[sutures]

Dark Brandon and the NLRB

They are going to take it to Snøhetta.

Aug 31, 23 1:20 pm  · 
1  · 
nabrU

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/edu... maaxi?

Aug 31, 23 8:53 pm  · 
 · 
nabrU

This short sighted material suggestion by architects and engineers also affects hospitals not just art galleries and schools. The floating new forms are potential death traps, what's the mitigation on specification? Should you not care as a designer?

Aug 31, 23 9:11 pm  · 
 · 
nabrU

Will GFRC be looked back similarly with the pony lifespan like the article above? Do you spec it?

Aug 31, 23 9:20 pm  · 
 · 
b3tadine[sutures]

I got a job offer this week. I used ChatGPT to write letter turning down the offer. Damn, that saved me two hours.

Sep 1, 23 6:21 pm  · 
3  · 
bowling_ball

Can I ask why you turned it down? Care to share any details about how this offer came about?

Sep 1, 23 10:47 pm  · 
 · 
b3tadine[sutures]

Benefits were awful comparatively speaking. I would have to return to the office. I applied for the position. The work would've been much less stress, but that wasn't enough to overcome the counter offer.

Sep 2, 23 1:27 pm  · 
 · 
bowling_ball

Sounds like you made out alright in the end, nice job. Thanks for sharing

Sep 3, 23 12:25 am  · 
 · 
joseffischer

Does anyone else recognize when chatGPT wrote something? I'm sure I miss chatGPT generated language a good bit, but especially when you've worked with someone before you can tell the way their email comes across is different. If you do recognize it, do you care? I feel like a one-line acknowledgement email would serve the same purposes as something you spent 2 hours on and/or churned out of chatGPT.

Sep 5, 23 7:10 am  · 
 · 
Bench

^ ... was that written in ChatGPT ..

Sep 5, 23 9:07 am  · 
1  · 
b3tadine[sutures]

Dear [Recipient's Name], 

I hope this letter finds you well. I would like to extend my sincerest gratitude for offering me the Senior Architect position at [Company Name]. I was truly honored to have been selected as a candidate and to have had the opportunity to learn more about your esteemed organization during the interview process. 

 After careful consideration and much thought, I have decided that I must decline the offer for the Senior Architect position. This decision has not been an easy one, as I have great respect for [Company Name] and the impressive work that you do in the field. 

 My choice is primarily based on personal reasons and career considerations that have come to light in recent discussions and reflections. I genuinely believe that your team and the responsibilities associated with the Senior Architect role align well with my skills and aspirations. However, after much deliberation, I have determined that now might not be the optimal time for me to make a transition of this nature. 

 I appreciate your understanding and hope that this decision does not cause any inconvenience. I am truly grateful for the time and effort invested by you and your team in considering me for this position. The conversations I had and the insights gained during the interview process were invaluable, and I will carry them with me in my professional journey. 

 I am open to keeping in touch and exploring potential opportunities in the future should circumstances change. Thank you once again for your kind consideration, and please extend my gratitude to the rest of the team at [Company Name].

 Wishing [Company Name] continued success and growth in all your endeavors. 

 Warm regards, 

 [Your Name]

Sep 5, 23 7:13 pm  · 
1  · 
archanonymous

Dear [Recipient's Name], 

I trust this letter finds you in the midst of your fruitless pursuit of a built environment that somehow manages to uphold professional standards of innovation, sustainability, and architectural integrity—standards that [Company Name] appears to disregard with astonishing consistency. 

 Allow me to express my heartfelt thanks for your recent job offer, an offer that has illuminated, in glaring detail, the depths to which [Company Name] has sunk in its relentless march toward mediocrity. The opportunity to participate in your endeavors, though tempting in the same way that a leap into a bottomless abyss might be, is one I must firmly decline. 

It has become painfully evident that [Company Name] revels in the creation of architectural eyesores, structures that epitomize unsustainability, aesthetic shallowness, and a penchant for design trends that age as gracefully as a mayfly. I can only lament the resources wasted on projects that contribute nothing of substance to our architectural discourse, much less our planet's well-being.

To align myself with an organization so committed to the perpetuation of these architectural transgressions would be to betray the very essence of my convictions. My commitment to architecture extends beyond mere aesthetics and superficial trends; it encompasses a profound responsibility to the environment, to communities, and to the enduring legacy of our profession. As I refuse to be complicit in [Company Name]'s unabashed disregard for the principles that should guide our work, I am left with no choice but to decline your offer. My hope is that you might one day recognize the true potential of architecture—a force for positive change, innovation, and sustainability. 

May you someday find your way out of the design wilderness you've wandered into, and in doing so, contribute meaningfully to a profession that desperately needs visionaries, not trend-followers. 

 With a regretful lack of enthusiasm, 

 [Your Name] 

 [Enclosure: Job Offer Decline]

Sep 6, 23 8:31 am  · 
4  · 
b3tadine[sutures]

I'm going to use that one next.

Sep 6, 23 11:30 am  · 
2  · 

Well done, archanonymous!

Sep 11, 23 12:50 pm  · 
1  · 
JLC-1

Ye and his wife/architect have been banned from using boats in Venice. 

Sep 4, 23 12:14 pm  · 
 · 
Non Sequitur

Too much water skiing I presume.

Sep 4, 23 6:48 pm  · 
1  · 

My husband just bought a boat! He's in charge of vehicles in our family, so I had no idea this was coming, but it was only like twelve hundred bucks or something. A 1955 Wolverine runabout, wood with two cockpits!

Sep 11, 23 12:52 pm  · 
6  · 
JLC-1

That's a beautiful boat

Sep 13, 23 8:16 pm  · 
1  · 
axonapoplectic

chad - government or owner side.


The way some arch offices have treated me in the interview process it is as if I should be grateful to work for them. Interviews outside of architecture people are very impressed by my experience and accomplishments.

Sep 5, 23 1:13 pm  · 
3  · 

Was that directed at me? Did I miss a conversation we were having?

Sep 5, 23 2:16 pm  · 
 · 

Was this directed to me?

Sep 5, 23 2:16 pm  · 
 · 
citizen

.You talkin' to me?” Applying lessons from Taxi Driver to classroom  management. – Whatonomy

Sep 5, 23 4:32 pm  · 
3  · 
axonapoplectic

Responding to your question from aug 23. I’m practicing for my government job.

Sep 5, 23 7:19 pm  · 
3  · 

Over a week late, no context, and not even in the general vicinity of the question? You should fit right into government work. :)

Don't you love it when the site gets quirky?  

Sep 5, 23 8:25 pm  · 
4  · 

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

Sep 5, 23 8:48 pm  · 
7  · 

I only fight with crippling self loathing.

Sep 6, 23 1:36 pm  · 
1  · 
citizen

Chad, what you're complaining of is a (dare I say it) non-sequitur.

Sep 7, 23 6:26 pm  · 
2  · 

That's most of this forum . . .

Sep 7, 23 7:30 pm  · 
 · 
Non Sequitur

What’s this about pogo stick racing? I swear, it gets better if they play Metallica at half speed.

Sep 7, 23 7:51 pm  · 
4  · 

Now THAT is a non-sequitur! Take notes folks and bask in it's glory.

Sep 8, 23 11:28 am  · 
1  · 
Non Sequitur

Can you repeat that? I'm wearing a towel.

Sep 8, 23 12:19 pm  · 
1  · 
SneakyPete

Potato. Boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew.

Sep 8, 23 2:13 pm  · 
 · 
Non Sequitur

...stick them in the VCR

Sep 8, 23 2:38 pm  · 
 · 
citizen

Really? Truman Capote?

Sep 8, 23 11:12 pm  · 
 · 
Wilma Buttfit

Even more so. Like a rooster at sunrise.

Sep 9, 23 5:25 pm  · 
 · 
b3tadine[sutures]

To bring this full circle, government jobs are like cock fighting, in a Nebraska small town.


Sep 10, 23 8:34 am  · 
1  · 
Non Sequitur

^classic Alice in Chains song.

Sep 10, 23 9:27 am  · 
1  · 

This is a delightful discussion.

Sep 11, 23 12:53 pm  · 
1  · 
Wilma Buttfit

This discussion proves Gen Xers can communicate without making any sense.

Sep 13, 23 1:34 pm  · 
1  · 

Ok boomer.  ;)

Sep 13, 23 2:32 pm  · 
 · 
citizen

Ooooh, burn!

Sep 14, 23 3:13 pm  · 
 · 

Wait, am I gen X or Z? What if I feel like a Y? Wait, what are we talking about?

Now get off my lawn while I yell at a cloud! 

Sep 14, 23 6:54 pm  · 
 · 
Non Sequitur

I was always told gen x growing up but then that all changed 10ish ago when someone had spare time and rebranded everything. Now I don’t know. Also, don’t care because it’s a useless exercise. Plus I own a home so I can’t be millennial.

Sep 14, 23 6:58 pm  · 
1  · 
citizen

Non, I think the Canadian conversion rate is add a decade then divide by twelve. And when did the useless exercise become a bad thing? =O]

Sep 14, 23 7:22 pm  · 
2  · 
Wilma Buttfit

I just thought it meant we are forever faithful listeners to Alice In Chains.

Sep 15, 23 10:26 am  · 
2  · 
SneakyPete

I don't like guacamole.

Sep 15, 23 12:39 pm  · 
 · 
b3tadine[sutures]

^Marxist-Leninist

Sep 15, 23 1:31 pm  · 
1  · 
SneakyPete

I had a friend in high school named adam smith.

Sep 15, 23 1:33 pm  · 
1  · 
Wilma Buttfit

Heart of glass; mind of stone.

Sep 15, 23 6:53 pm  · 
 · 
____

My second toe is longer than my big toe all things being equal that is.

Sep 15, 23 7:30 pm  · 
 · 
SneakyPete

There are four lights.

Sep 15, 23 9:29 pm  · 
 · 

I just gave a young woman a ride to work. She works in an assisted living home. She probably makes 10 bucks an hour, maybe a little more. She has to take an Uber to work and back every day, which costs her 30 bucks a day. There’s no bus route, and she can’t afford a car on her wages. We live in a failed society.

Sep 12, 23 10:01 am  · 
12  ·  2
archanonymous

The urban planning and transportation failures in the US never cease to amaze me. Can't tell if bug or feature though.

Sep 14, 23 9:03 am  · 
4  · 
sameolddoctor

Feature, for sure, enable by and abetted by Capitalism

Sep 15, 23 1:43 am  · 
2  · 
JLC-1

3 perks of capitalism right there, infinite sprawl, no public transportation and out of reach car prices, beautiful freedom we have.

Sep 15, 23 11:43 am  · 
1  · 

.


Sep 15, 23 12:00 pm  · 
1  · 

I did not think supply chain issues were still a significant thing at this point in the Covid pandemic recovery. However, I've been waiting for the post bases for a deck build for over 4 weeks now, and I don't think the lumber yard is any closer to having them. So I did the next best thing, I found them listed online at a competitor for a little bit more than I already paid for them, but still less than half the price of what they are selling them at Home Depot for. I then went to Homie's and had them price match.

Late stage capitalism is a bitch, but I feel like I just made it my bitch (if only a little).

Sep 13, 23 11:33 am  · 
6  ·  1
axonapoplectic

Seeming like things are picking back up again. There were a bunch of lay offs at bigger firms the first half of this year, but a lot of these people were snatched up by the smaller and mid-sized firms over the summer and I’ve been hearing that people are struggling to find staff again.

Sep 14, 23 1:05 pm  · 
3  · 
b3tadine[sutures]

Another Victory For Architectural Labor

Where is the AIA?

Sep 15, 23 12:24 pm  · 
1  · 
geezertect

Smelling their own fart gas, as always.

Sep 16, 23 2:21 pm  · 
1  · 
bowling_ball

Ironically, despite the slogan, architects don't actually build shit. *facepalm"

Sep 18, 23 6:37 pm  · 
1  · 
ivanmillya

Just got the largest commercial project permit set out today... well maybe not that large by some standards, but it's the largest our firm has done. 33-unit hotel project, 7 buildings, about 32,000 gsf. Hoo boy I need a drink and a raise.

Sep 15, 23 3:27 pm  · 
3  · 
SneakyPete

how many sheets

Sep 15, 23 4:05 pm  · 
 · 
ivanmillya

74 architectural... about as many as that split between consultants.

Sep 15, 23 4:11 pm  · 
1  · 
SneakyPete

Nice. Small. I like it.

Sep 15, 23 4:24 pm  · 
1  · 
ivanmillya

I try to be concise with my sets. Knowing that no matter what I draw, I'm going to get RFIs for dumb reasons, I figure that I really only need to include the base amount of info needed to get the work done. Everything else is in a schedule, a specification, or a consultant's document.

Sep 15, 23 4:29 pm  · 
2  · 
b3tadine[sutures]

7 buildings??

Sep 15, 23 6:28 pm  · 
 · 
ivanmillya

Yeah 7 buildings on one site. The city preferred that to one large building, because it's on a small-town island with a bunch of protected preserves around, so they'd rather it look small and islandy. Don't ask how 7 buildings is more islandy than one.

Sep 15, 23 8:11 pm  · 
3  · 
b3tadine[sutures]

Department Of Education sent me $12k this week. It's happening.

Sep 15, 23 6:20 pm  · 
4  · 
ivanmillya

Is it??? I haven't received anything yet.

Sep 15, 23 8:12 pm  · 
 · 
Wood Guy

Cool. I kind of wish I hadn't paid off my loans 15 years ago, after ten years of payments. But I don't begrudge anyone who is benefitting from the current situation.

Sep 16, 23 3:25 pm  · 
5  · 
b3tadine[sutures]

I wish I paid mine off 15 years ago too.

Sep 18, 23 8:53 pm  · 
3  · 
citizen

Yikes, maybe.

Is it just me, or has traffic on the Forum declined precipitously of late?  

A week since the last TC post.  A raft of uncommented news items.  Only two threads active in the last couple of days.  I hope nothing's wrong (apart from the nuttiness among the usual suspects).  Is digital chicken soup called for?

Sep 25, 23 8:08 pm  · 
8  · 
Bench

Wondered the same. But then there's other days i get on and can't even keep track of everything ...

Sep 26, 23 8:47 am  · 
1  · 

It's bow season for elk so I'm busy with work and that. Seriously though, not much time for the site anymore.

Sep 26, 23 9:43 am  · 
1  · 

Just busy, and freaking out because my business advisor says I'll need to hire someone towards the end of the year. I'm not mentally ready for that!

Sep 26, 23 11:02 am  · 
7  · 

Needing to hire is a good thing right? Just be yourself, trust your instincts, and you'll make a great leader! You got this!

Sep 26, 23 12:29 pm  · 
4  · 
atelier nobody

I just started a new job, so I am pretending to be a dedicated employee who doesn't waste time on Archinect while working...

Sep 26, 23 6:05 pm  · 
9  · 
Non Sequitur

Drowning in a maple syrup.

Sep 27, 23 6:11 am  · 
3  · 

Did your national maple syrup reserve spring a leak again Non?

Sep 27, 23 10:28 am  · 
2  · 
citizen

Good to see some of the stalwarts are still just a click or keystroke away, and productive in their labors (or labours). It seems that folks get busy with other stuff, which is good. I'd hate for us to have to put on a telethon or anything....

Sep 27, 23 12:39 pm  · 
 · 
SneakyPete

I stepped away because I didn't like how I was interacting with certain people.

Sep 27, 23 12:39 pm  · 
5  · 
b3tadine[sutures]

I'm here for the popcorn

Sep 27, 23 4:49 pm  · 
2  · 
archanonymous

Sir this is a Wendy's we do not serve popcorn.

Sep 27, 23 6:58 pm  · 
3  · 
sameolddoctor

Just busy making rich assholes even richer....

Sep 27, 23 7:48 pm  · 
2  · 
abracadabra

​I am posting this because I am in the kitchen​ waiting for water to boil...

Sep 28, 23 12:03 am  · 
5  · 
citizen

I'm diggin' the continuity...

Sep 28, 23 5:46 pm  · 
3  · 
curtkram

how did the boil go?

Sep 28, 23 7:49 pm  · 
2  · 
abracadabra

Thank you for asking. The boil was fine but by then I had forgotten why I was boiling it. This sort of thing developed during Covid lockdowns... Or, was it..?

Sep 28, 23 9:57 pm  · 
3  · 
Wood Guy

I bore myself by repeating the same stories. I still check in daily but just don't engage as often.

Sep 29, 23 8:54 am  · 
1  · 
b3tadine[sutures]

RIP Jeanne Gang
Sep 29, 23 11:33 am  · 
4  · 
JLC-1

Anybody in NYC to report on the flood?


Sep 29, 23 3:49 pm  · 
 · 
b3tadine[sutures]

I got my laps in.

Sep 29, 23 3:53 pm  · 
1  · 
Bench

Its shit out there. I'm constantly on the phone with building-neighbours to get alerted if any leaks start coming through. The worst is really over, its been clear for a couple hours now and will stay that way until about 9-10pm. Unfortunately its coming back pretty heavy overnight.

Sep 29, 23 4:50 pm  · 
1  · 

Well bow hunting is over for elk.  I didn't get an elk but I did have fun and see a lot though! 

I saw:

Four elk - all between 30 and 60 yards. I passed on a cow with her calf. If I'd taken the cow the calf wouldn't of survived.

Two mule deer. I decided to try stalking them. I got within 10 yards before making myself known.  I was super sneaky.  (Think the butler from Mr. Deeds)

Seven turkeys. They were all in a line following a trail up into higher elevations. They looked like a group of toddlers trying to play soccer.  I swear I heard Benny Hill music playing as the turkeys bumbled around.

One group of Texans who were trying to bow hunt black bear with a dogs. Things didn't go well for them and last I learned CPW (Colorado Parks and Wildlife) fined them a lot (think low five figures for each person).

Oh well.  Next year.  Next year.  


Oct 1, 23 3:52 pm  · 
2  · 
bowling_ball

I'm not a hunter myself so I have to ask - besides the one mentioned, was there any reason you didn't shoot anything? Did you attempt unsuccessfully? Decide it wasn't worth the hassle? Weren't prepared or gave yourself up? Genuinely curious

Oct 2, 23 12:10 am  · 
 · 
Non Sequitur

Bow hunt bears?

Oct 2, 23 7:21 am  · 
 · 
Wilma Buttfit

Breathing all those ohl and gas fumes makes Texans do some pretty
stupid stuff.

Oct 2, 23 8:41 am  · 
 · 

BB - Good question! 

The elk were too far away for an ethical shot. 

Some compound bow shooters will take shots up to 75 yards. I shoot a recurve bow. I can hit 8" groups out to 55 yards however the impact force is very low and the arrow flight time is long (about 3 seconds). My ethical max range is 30 yards.

Non - Yup.  You can bow hunt bears.  Where I elk hunt I can add a bear tag onto my hunting license for $45.  I've taken bear in MN with my bow however I discovered I don't enjoy the taste of bear meat so I don't anymore.  Also it's a lot of work.  

Oct 2, 23 9:59 am  · 
3  · 
b3tadine[sutures]

Bear Daddy

Yeah, but what are you going to do when this bear rolls up on you?

Oct 2, 23 12:49 pm  · 
4  · 
JLC-1

an employee of the local landfill was fined $3k and the manager lost his job after said employee killed a bear with an arrow when it was eating. I've eaten bear too, it's too strong a taste.

Oct 2, 23 1:04 pm  · 
 · 

b3t - HA!   I'd just tell them about the repressed Texans hunting one valley over . . .  

On a serious note: Most black bears are solitary and actively avoid everything. Hence why they're so much work to hunt. If they decide to attack you you're f'ed though. You better be a good shot. Some people carry a sidearm for protection when bow hunting. I just carry bear spray.

Oct 2, 23 1:24 pm  · 
1  · 
Wilma Buttfit

Wait, wut? If it’s legal, why did they get fined?

Oct 2, 23 7:06 pm  · 
 · 

I'm assuming CO does not allow bear hunting with dogs.

Oct 2, 23 8:39 pm  · 
1  · 
citizen

You could at least show him in his natural habitat, b3ta.  Do I have to do everything around here?Can San Francisco's famed leather district be saved in an era of high  property values?

Oct 3, 23 1:05 am  · 
1  · 

Wilma and Everyday Architect  - Using dogs to hunt bears is illegal in most states. You can use dogs to track already killed game in Colorado however you need a special license and it's only allowed in certain areas for certain animals.  

You can bring your dog(s) with you while hunting but they can't do anything other than sit there.  It's typically frowned upon by other hunters because it's a jerk thing to do as the game figures out rather quickly that dogs = hunters and it ruins hunting for everyone within five miles or so. 

Oct 3, 23 11:23 am  · 
 · 
archanonymous

Chad - I've taken my wife fishing once or twice... she still comes with me, but uses tackle sans hook now. Says it's more fun to just cast the line, be in nature, and not have to worry about killing and gutting a fish. Maybe just look at your excursion as a nice nature walk?

Oct 4, 23 7:58 am  · 
 · 

AA - my view is that a hunting trip is always fun. Well maybe not in bad weather. ;) Getting a tastey animal is just a bonus!

Oct 4, 23 11:27 am  · 
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Wilma Buttfit

I go fishing sometimes and by that I mean I sit by the water and watch other people fish. Never been hunting. Seen a black bear a few times but never up close.

Oct 6, 23 1:45 pm  · 
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Hi TC, my what a leathery bear! 

beta, the best part of loan forgiveness for me, was definitely the unexpected additional checks/refunds (for overpayment?)...

Also like Non, I always felt more like a reality bites Gen xer and own a home, but apparently enough of a baby that I could be a millennial... Either way I'm just thankful I'm not a Zennial! :P

Oct 3, 23 12:49 am  · 
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Legally Blonde is a fantastic film and I will fight anyone who says otherwise.


Speaking of legal issues, I need to check on updates about WHY’s museum expansion lawsuit.

Oct 3, 23 7:35 pm  · 
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OK, so now I’m re-watching The Devil Wears Prada and it’s making me think of how fucking *hard* I pushed myself as a young professional in my early jobs. I don’t think architecture should abuse our young, but there is something important about pushing yourself hard as a young person that you can look back on in your old age (I’m 56 now) to remind yourself of how virile you were as a youth. I mean, goddamn did I work my ass off when I was young!

Oct 6, 23 9:02 pm  · 
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Plus, of course, Meryl Streep is an absolute genius and treasure of an actor. I’ve been watching her in Only Murders lately, and she is just amazing..

Oct 6, 23 9:05 pm  · 
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sameolddoctor

Yes indeed, pushing oneself hard while growing up does indeed add character and resilience - and most of us have done plenty of that. But I do detest professionals that feel all youngsters need to "pay their dues" even whilst the profession itself has changed so much.

Oct 9, 23 10:37 am  · 
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Now that I'm in a position to mentor and 'appear' to know what I'm doing. (I'm faking it, don't tell anyone). I tend to let younger professionals know that there is no need to have the career dictate everything you do. I try to share a much 'hard earned' advice I have that will spare them from having to go through what I did. Especially the mistakes I made and had to learn from.

Oct 9, 23 10:46 am  · 
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Absolutely agree, sameold. It's just toxic and mean to think "I suffered through this, now you have to too!" I'm glad the profession seems to mostly be evolving away from that attitude.

Oct 10, 23 2:28 pm  · 
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bowling_ball

Happy Canadian Thanksgiving for those celebrating(?) this weekend

Oct 8, 23 10:52 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

Damn right. Turkey and pumpkin day!

Oct 8, 23 11:19 am  · 
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citizen

I just love seeing all the Fall colours.

Oct 10, 23 12:12 pm  · 
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How is Canadian Thanksgiving different from American Thanksgiving? Is there more or less patriotic genocide than the American version?

Oct 10, 23 12:28 pm  · 
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More denim.

Oct 10, 23 12:29 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

Less shootings over family dinner politcs talk?

Oct 10, 23 3:09 pm  · 
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Meh, that doesn't happen much here. In America we just shun the family who have different political views. That or they're banished to the garage for the day. It's like having to eat at the kid's table. ;)

Oct 10, 23 4:22 pm  · 
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Almosthip

Chad - The difference is in our pumpkin pies. Our pies are made with maple syrup in the recipe. yum.

Oct 10, 23 4:29 pm  · 
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Ad a type 1 diabetic this both excites and infuriates me.

Oct 10, 23 5:42 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

...and let's not forget the famous tarte-au-sucre.... also made with maple. Double whammy with the pumpkin pie

Oct 10, 23 6:31 pm  · 
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I'm gonna get super diabetes if I partake in Canadian Thanksgiving.

Oct 10, 23 6:44 pm  · 
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Almosthip

NS - I am a huge fan of Butterscotch pie, just not a fan of the 10 hours of stirring it takes to make it

Oct 10, 23 6:48 pm  · 
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Almosthip

Chad - I just learned that "Maple syrup is a better choice than honey for people who have diabetes or blood sugar problems" and that "maple syrup has a lower glycemic index than honey"

Oct 10, 23 6:50 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

maple syrup, making bees jealous as fuck since 1867.

Oct 10, 23 7:03 pm  · 
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Bench

ns - is your tarte-a-sucre similar to the classic buttertarts? That's our typical tradition for canadian thanksgiving

Oct 11, 23 9:25 am  · 
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Bench

Also - maple syrup in your morning coffee. You're welcome.

Oct 11, 23 9:26 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

Bench, they are not. Tarte au sucre is superior to buttertarts.

Oct 11, 23 10:08 am  · 
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Bench

sacraman!

Oct 11, 23 10:17 am  · 
1  · 
Almosthip

maple syrup on bacon

Oct 11, 23 5:48 pm  · 
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ugggghhh now I’m really craving butterscotch pie! But I’m trying to lose weight. Drat.

Oct 11, 23 8:21 am  · 
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citizen

Trade off! Cut out all those annoying, high-calorie "fruits" and so-called "vegetables." Win-win!

Oct 11, 23 1:51 pm  · 
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I cut my wine consumption by 75% which pretty cuts all grapes out of my diet.

Oct 13, 23 12:50 pm  · 
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So this Eamze user - any bets on what he actually does?  

Oct 11, 23 3:53 pm  · 
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ivanmillya

Disenchanted facade consultant. Loves to talk about how buildings should look, complains about starchitects, doesn't actually know how firms operate.

Oct 11, 23 4:57 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

Did they come back and allow us to bask again in their genius?

Oct 11, 23 5:06 pm  · 
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I thought he was a facade consultant but couldn't remember. Unless he's a technical consultant doing high end projects I think he's lying about how much he's paid. Odd that he's not willing to show us some of his work. Very odd.

Oct 11, 23 5:34 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

Probably giving them too much credit. If I had to bet, I’d say it’s a spoiled brat coming out of their first parent sponsored unpaid starchitect gig thinking that their 14hr days telling some poor AOR what do by using blue foam is tots normal.

Oct 11, 23 5:44 pm  · 
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I don't think so. I thought I remembered him so I looked at his post history. (I'm in a long zoom meeting that I'm not participating in.) I remembered correctly - In April or May of 2022 Eamze stated that he had a BS of Arch and left the profession for a 'more lucrative consulting gig'.

Oct 11, 23 5:51 pm  · 
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So Non and Chad, who is this Chartres person, do they bring anything of value to the Forums? I mostly see them "accusing" other people of having mental illness, which is not a good look.

Oct 13, 23 12:59 pm  · 
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Chartres is a punter who seems to have some type of social disorder. Originally he was just a disgruntled architect who liked to try and sound more accomplished and experienced that he actually is. Chartres tried to start a beef with me on this site and then tried to cyber stalked me. His actions caused me to respond in a way that didn't end well for him. After that he focused on Non and went so far as to cyber stalk him and make fun of Non and his family. Non is a much more peaceful person than I so he rises above the taunts and basically ignores him.  

While Chartres has gone by at east six user names in the past couple of years I don't think he's Eamze. 

Oct 13, 23 1:48 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

^This, I'm also way too busy to debate at that level. Donna, Chartres (or whatever their previous name was... Th-something) only follows my comments and attempts to diagnose mental illnesses. Sure, whatever, I don't care when it's addressed to me but the cunt crossed the line when they decided to dunk on my son and his disabilities (of which I've only briefly noted in TC). They started out life in the forum as disgruntled students who had a hard time in school and thus a hard time in the real world. They don't have any experience or opinions worth sharing, hence why they are one of like 3 active users I have on ignore.   

Oct 13, 23 2:22 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]
Just announced!
Oct 17, 23 10:24 pm  · 
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ivanmillya

Don't even need to look this up. Knowing AIA this must be real.

Oct 18, 23 7:56 am  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

It's just wild that two weeks in and this profession is so effing lame and can't figure out how to craft even the most nuanced stance on civilian deaths. Even some of the most hack-kneed neo-libs have done the basics. I'm not even asking that they go full anarcho-commie, just offer even the "IDF assault on civilian populations in an open air prison is criminal " would satisfy me.

Oct 18, 23 10:11 am  · 
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ivanmillya

I swear to god if I go to the AIA website and see something talking about how architecture can solve the active genocide against Palestinians I'm going to lose my mind.

EDIT: God dammit. From AIA's statement about the Gaza conflict: "We believe that architecture is about more than just buildings; it's about building communities, fostering understanding, and promoting peace." When will the AIA learn that architecture is not a humanitarian solution, shut the fuck up, and take a stance that's not just "well both sides are bad".

Oct 18, 23 11:14 am  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

And, no Red Crescent link?

Oct 18, 23 11:21 am  · 
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ivanmillya

Also calling the United Nations a "neutral party" in this case is just plain wrong, considering that immediately after the October 7th incident, the most powerful nations in the group unilaterally and in no uncertain terms declared their complete support of Israel.

Oct 18, 23 11:47 am  · 
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axonapoplectic

I’m ambivalent about the situation in Gaza, but I do agree with the criticism of the AIA being a bit too cozy with the far right.

Oct 20, 23 8:39 am  · 
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archanonymous

beta - why are you still paying attention to the AIA? I stopped like 3 years ago...

Oct 20, 23 9:00 am  · 
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Gotta keep this on above the adds. 

So my better half is out of town all week.  Our little one Dexter (dog) is older and is used to being at home with the smart one while she works.  As such he can't handle going to a dog daycare all day without becoming really tired. 

So . . . . 

I've been bringing him into the office for half days.  Everyone is happy but productivity is way down due to providing belly rubs to the new boss.  


Oct 25, 23 2:57 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

Is is a guard dog for your stamp? Just in case the queen barges in in an attempt to fraudulently seal drawings?

Oct 25, 23 5:32 pm  · 
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This is 'Murica! We don't have a queen.

I protect everything with my bow and arrows. Also the pup would just wag his tail and lick you for some attention. ;)

Oct 25, 23 5:39 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

It’s 2023 Chad, you can have a queen if you want.

Oct 25, 23 5:55 pm  · 
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What if I don't want a queen. What if I want a Viscount?

Oct 25, 23 6:14 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

only if you insist that the "v" is silent.

Oct 25, 23 6:18 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

RIP Robert

Oct 25, 23 10:16 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Robert Irwin


Oct 25, 23 10:16 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

.

Oct 25, 23 10:23 pm  · 
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Always interesting seeing archinectors IRL. I think I'm up to 3 now.

Oct 27, 23 12:20 pm  · 
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bowling_ball

Oh

Oct 29, 23 12:10 am  · 
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I hang out with 3 Archinectors (that I know of) pretty regularly. Went to school with a couple, too. Just goes to show that even on a forum like this, our world is still pretty small.

Oct 29, 23 10:01 am  · 
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I've met a few members here in passing. Other than my teammates, I've never socialized with other architects. Even then I don't hang out with my teammates much. My professional and personal life are separate.

Oct 30, 23 12:06 pm  · 
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Bench

^ ^ Good rule to have.

Oct 30, 23 12:30 pm  · 
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Josh's mention of going to school with a couple reminded me of another archinector I knew IRL ... though I don't think they were an archinector when I knew them. They posted some racist crap a while back and I figured out who they were from their post history and ID'ed them as someone I TA'ed in their 2nd year studio.

I wish I had 3 of you to hang out with pretty regularly.

Oct 30, 23 1:31 pm  · 
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I'd hang out with many of the users here as long as we didn't talk about architecture. ;)

Oct 30, 23 3:01 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

The only good kind of arch talk is corporate espionage. the rest is so damn boring

Oct 30, 23 3:18 pm  · 
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ivanmillya

I hate that all I wanted to do as a teenager was design buildings, and now being in the industry, all I want to do is go hang out at local punk shows and never talk about buildings.

Oct 30, 23 3:29 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

"AAA"

Oct 30, 23 5:19 pm  · 
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My dates would all tell you I talk about buildings too much.

Oct 30, 23 5:21 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur wrote:

 "The only good kind of arch talk is corporate espionage. the rest is so damn boring" 

I have a bow so we can quietly shoot grappling hooks like batman.  Let's go be sneaky!  

Oct 30, 23 5:23 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

I could totally go for a punk show right now. It’s Monday evening and it already feels like I’m 60hrs deep.

Oct 30, 23 6:11 pm  · 
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I still remember stumbling across a Voodoo Glow Skulls show at some random dive bar when we were on a studio field trip in architecture school. That was fun.

Probably sometime around 2009-ish ... maybe in Portland?

Oct 30, 23 6:19 pm  · 
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citizen

Any post headlined by Tobias Funke is worth reading. I love the idea of meeting (many) folks on here, and of course that notion gets kicked around every so often. Like now. 

Maybe we set up a kind of Comic-Con for architects every couple of years... right across the street from the AIA Convo. Everybody comes dressed as their (least) favorite client or consultant. We get hammered, crash the AIA thing, start a fight... it'll be fun.

Oct 31, 23 1:02 am  · 
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Wilma Buttfit

I’ve met 3 archinectors in person and worked with at least 2 that I know of.

Oct 31, 23 3:22 am  · 
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ivanmillya

Non, I'm sure there are small local bands in your area, you just gotta find 'em. We have a small scene down here in southwest Florida, but it sure is lively. No architects (save one), engineers, contractors, or wealthy clients to be found!

Oct 31, 23 7:57 am  · 
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Wood Guy

I have only corresponded with a few Architectors off-forum and only online; the closest that I know of is Non, a 7.5-hr drive from me. Is anyone else in New England north of Boston? I'm near Augusta, Maine but I'm often in Portland, Maine for projects.

Nov 10, 23 10:33 am  · 
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It wasn't intentional, but I spent a bit of time away from Archinect and came back recently to find that this place seems really dead. I'm sure it was before, but it seems even more so now that I've been away and come back.

I'm convinced that if you got rid of the bots and new users that resurrect old threads, the random shitposters and trolls, and made the regulars stop goading the shitposters and trolls on, you'd have nothing left of the forums. 

I remember a point when it would take less than 48 hours for TC to fall off the first page. Now there are threads at the bottom of Page 1 that are 9 days old.

Nov 7, 23 2:42 pm  · 
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sameolddoctor

Must be recent world events that have left everyone spellbound...this is true of me, at least

Nov 7, 23 2:46 pm  · 
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lol, apparently I missed citizen posting about roughly the same thing up page.

Nov 7, 23 2:56 pm  · 
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I've just been busy with a couple of big for me projects. Sorry.

Nov 7, 23 6:16 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

Can't remember the last time I was this busy... everything is on fire and requires immediate attention... and it's all expert-level stuff I can't even hand off to junior/intermediate staff. We also have no staff at all and the ones we do have have very cavalier work ethics so here I am, starting the 2nd part of my work day at 9pm. At least I'm spinning some Peter Gabriel records to keep me company.

Nov 7, 23 8:42 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

The betrayal. No Rush or Gordie? Do you even Molson?

Nov 7, 23 8:59 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

^Uncle Neil of GTFO... but that's for after midnight.

Nov 7, 23 9:39 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

Just trying to stay positive in life.

Nov 7, 23 9:55 pm  · 
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____

++++ Harvest after midnight.

Nov 7, 23 10:21 pm  · 
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citizen

EA and me, just keeping watch.cleargif - Members Albums Category - Twins Daily

Nov 7, 23 10:41 pm  · 
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archanonymous

I'm less interested in architecture than ever, and as you say the majority of posts here are trash.

Nov 8, 23 9:36 am  · 
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Wood Guy

I check in a few times per week but don't post or comment much. It was nice to have this place during the pandemic, but now that the real world is open again, and I'm busier than ever, it's hard to find the time to engage here. It's not just here; I'm spending less time on other forums as well.

Nov 8, 23 2:57 pm  · 
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citizen

It's a circular problem. We're busier with stuff-- too busy to be here as often to read and post. Fewer posts and less content then gives us less reason to come over as often. It's a pickle!

Nov 9, 23 9:49 am  · 
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There was a point where I said to myself it wasn't worth posting things to my Archinect blog because it wasn't really getting good engagement, just random posters, trolls, and bots. At least there was still some good engagement in the forums ... but even that seems to have slowly gone the way of the buffalo (great MXPX album BTW).

I'm not blaming anyone. I'm as guilty as anyone else it seems. It's just a little sad that the forums no longer seem to be a place to find a community, except for a few pockets like TC.

Nov 9, 23 11:13 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

^ great album.

Nov 9, 23 8:19 pm  · 
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It's about time for a party at my house, and it wouldn't be the same without you.

Nov 13, 23 11:38 am  · 
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Same. I’m exceptionally busy at work, doing work I deeply care about. I’ve pretty much left Twitter but posting a little more on Instagram. But mostly I’m just exhausted. Israel’s actions have me feeling deep sadness every day. The climate crisis continues but we’re still adding lanes to freeways. Endless money for wars but nothing for housing or health or literacy, we’re actually banning books instead…. It’s all so mentally exhausting. Just not feeling chatty, I guess.

Nov 14, 23 7:30 am  · 
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Wood Guy

Not just Israel's actions but the US government's unfettered encouragement. https://www.instagram.com/p/Cy96qBqLQnz/ And yes to the rest...

Nov 14, 23 10:03 am  · 
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JLC-1

keeping an eye on Iceland's imminent volcanic eruption

Nov 14, 23 11:47 am  · 
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Yes, Wood Guy. That too.

Nov 14, 23 3:26 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

It’s only Tuesday.

Nov 14, 23 5:46 pm  · 
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nabrU

This an adjacent comment to architecture, yet related, I always really appreciated what HayesDavidson do as architectural illustrators but their new website and branding is not how I think of the work. 

Nov 8, 23 9:23 pm  · 
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Grrr.  

Firm got a 30 x 42 touchscreen.   I was all excited about being able to do drawing reviews and sketching on it.  Turns out the screen doesn't allow palm rejection and there is no software update or change that will allow it.  I've tried wearing two illustrator gloves but it still picks up my hand.  

You basically have to use it like a chalkboard and never let your hand touch it.  

Grrr.  


Nov 9, 23 5:53 pm  · 
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citizen

But you can still watch porn on it, right?

Nov 9, 23 8:20 pm  · 
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sameolddoctor

Return and get the Wacom Cintiq!

Nov 9, 23 10:18 pm  · 
2  · 

If it were up to me that's what we would of gone with but alas I don't control the money. If I want one then I have to buy it. I think my life partner would freak out at me spending $3k on a tablet. :(

Nov 10, 23 10:52 am  · 
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Wood Guy

I'd be worried about something that large breaking. Last week my cat bit the corner of one of my 27" monitors and ruined it. Not that a cat is going to be a problem in your situation, but monitors--at least the kind that are within my price range--are not very durable.

Nov 13, 23 10:01 am  · 
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This really isn't a monitor - it's a tablet computer that has it's own special adjustable height table. It's not going anywhere. Also all of our computers have curved 38" monitors. No issue with durability.

Nov 13, 23 10:34 am  · 
1  · 

On a related note: I'm looking at getting a digital pen pad for my personal use. I'll need to try one out before I buy to see if I can handle the interface disconnect between drawing on the pad and looking at the screen.

https://estore.wacom.com/en-us...

Nov 13, 23 10:36 am  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Never Fraget
Nov 9, 23 9:20 pm  · 
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sameolddoctor

?

Nov 9, 23 10:19 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

She was at Charlottesville's Unite The Right Rally, you know the one Jews will not replace us.

Nov 9, 23 10:29 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

I say this will all professionalism and sincerity. What a cunt.

Nov 10, 23 10:19 am  · 
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____

Clinically speaking: A fecally impacted bivalve with an Electra Complex.

Nov 13, 23 6:45 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

BDS


Nov 14, 23 3:12 pm  · 
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sameolddoctor

And Coke + Pepsi

Nov 14, 23 6:52 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

Had a 4hr meeting with a custom house client about installing one of those suspended net floor things in a double-height living room.  Area of the netting is probably greater than most bachelor/starter apartments.

Nov 15, 23 9:55 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

Cost of the netting too.

Nov 16, 23 9:53 am  · 
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I disliked this not because I want your project to fail, Non, but because I'm sick of rich people and their over-the-top housing while we all see people sleeping in tents every day in every city (in the US, anyway).

Nov 21, 23 10:34 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

Donna, I agree although the house in question is modest (+\- 1.5mil). We still need to pay our own staff and bills so it's not like we're going to turn down work but I am really really looking forward to moving on from high-end residential. I have two 10mil cottages in construction at the moment and the amount of brain power spent on the tiniest of details is insane.

Nov 21, 23 11:10 am  · 
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I tested it and it turns out you can't both simultaneously like and dislike a comment! So now I like it, because I do think the post itself is quite funny and sarcastic.

Nov 21, 23 2:46 pm  · 
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