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Year End Bonuses

sameolddoctor

Are you getting a Bonus for 2018? How much? Plz speak up!

I'll go first : We are getting a big fat Zero.

 
Dec 14, 18 6:34 pm
Formerlyunknown

$5000 bonus,12.5% raise.  That's just about the same as last year, but the year before that I got nothing.

Dec 14, 18 6:40 pm
5839

12.5% raises 2 years in a row = 26.6% increase in salary. That's pretty good without jumping ship to a new firm. Did it come with some promotion in responsibilities? Were you drastically underpaid 2 years ago?

Formerlyunknown

i wasn't underpaid before, and my role hasn't changed much. I think it's just an issue of the firm having a couple good years and trying to make up for a bad year before that (in which those of us who weren't laid off were lucky).

LITS4FormZ

Firm did well this year and thanks to the tax cuts they’re bringing back 401K matching. Everyone received their yearly bonuses so a Merry Christmas for all

Dec 14, 18 6:59 pm
sameolddoctor

Oh we got a 4-5% raise in the firm, but yeah, no bonuses.

Dec 14, 18 7:36 pm
Non Sequitur

%4ish raise at the end of October, expecting the typical xmas bonus next week.  Was not happy with raise tho and will revisit the subject in the new year.  Too many office politics atm with 2 founding partners looking at retirement within a year (or 2).

Dec 14, 18 8:57 pm
OneLostArchitect

A bonus!? What’s that? No bonuses at the gig I’m currently at. Ever! I’m actually getting screwed as I found out what some of my coworkers are making in comparison to me... and I’m licensed and they are not. So scratch me in for a big fat zero. Previous job used to hand out 3k for Christmas and 3k around 4th of July week. I had to move near the GTA region and I took a big hit going to this current job salary wise. Salary has be stagnant for a long while... I finally did get a raise this year which equated to less than 50 cents a year since I started. Yes you heard me right. Plus they told me I am lucky to have a job with them. I’ve never felt like a useless piece of shit in a toilet bowl ready to be flushed down in my life. My confidence is at an all time low and have been pretty depressed about life in general and the architecture profession. 

Dec 14, 18 10:15 pm
tintt

:( now is the time to find a new gig! New year, new job, new life!

poop876

I had to check the date on this comment because if a firm is stating that you are lucky to have a job in this market, you ought to go somewhere else. We've been swamped for past 7 years and we've been struggling finding people. And I truly believe we are paying staff some good money. Perhaps it's not the "best" projects, but it's projects.

randomised

Wow, look for something else, and do it quickly. Instead of blowing off steam on archinect update your CV and portfolio and start sending out applications asap, maybe Kanye is still hiring.

tintt

Since I'm a contractor for a few different places I don't think I get bonuses. I guess it could happen. I don't expect anything though. 

Dec 15, 18 9:33 am
poop876

We paid all of our employees (12) 4k bonus before tax this past weekend and 10% increase staring next year. Perhaps some deserved it more than others, but I thought we should reward them all. 


Dec 16, 18 7:30 pm
OneLostArchitect

Wow that’s awesome! Happy to see that some employers take care of their employees.

Rusty!

One nifty trick to use in order to minimize bonuses given to employees is to not talk about profitability but instead talk about meeting goals. 

Set unrealistic goals, don't meet them. Another tough year. No bonus!

Dec 17, 18 10:31 am
thatsthat

We typically get bonuses a few times a year (4k before taxes for my level) but no raises.  Raises only come every other year or every few years, but they typically make up for the salary discrepancy with 3-4 bonuses per year sprinkled around.

Dec 17, 18 10:42 am
JLC-1

you mean tips?

Dec 17, 18 11:18 am
tduds

19% cash + 10% 401k match.

Employee ownership has its perks. Only a 3.5% cost of living raise this year, but I'm expecting a promotion in 2019 so I'm hopeful...

Dec 17, 18 1:39 pm
molten

$6500 bonus; 8.5% raise.

I hope the current gravy train makes it to 2020. 

Dec 17, 18 3:33 pm
joseffischer

$3500 bonus; 28% raise with caveat... it was a 12% raise but two separate job offers landed in my lap and my current firm matched.  Remember folks, when those head hunters call, be nice and don't be dismissive.  

The firm is currently throwing higher tier and way more work at me to make it up, and so far I'm swimming.  

Dec 18, 18 3:35 pm
Volunteer

Yes, but now you have a bar sinister running across your escutcheon for entertaining other offers.

whistler

I am handing out 10 - 12 % bonuses ....... translates to about $7,000.00 to $8,000.00 for most. ( small office )

Dec 18, 18 4:10 pm
mightyaa

$2000....  :/  Not even half a paycheck.

Dec 18, 18 5:26 pm

I'm inclined to say that an employer shouldn't even bother with a bonus if it isn't more than your regular paycheck ... but I'll take anything they give me. I'm also the type of person that would rather not get a bonus, if it meant that instead I receive a larger regular paycheck.

Non Sequitur

typical annual $1k over here. I’ve got colleagues who get more but don’t have their overtime paid out.., which I do, so considering that, happy for any bonus.  It’ll cover my daycare costs for the month.



Dec 18, 18 7:17 pm

I got ~20% raise plus an $8k bonus earlier this year (end of our fiscal year). We don't get anything for end of calendar year.

Off topic, but I'm finally getting closer to where I think I should be salary-wise. Also thinking about quitting to make a move somewhere else. I'm happy with the workload, project types, my role, and generally the people I work with ... just tired of certain coworkers that refuse to learn from past mistakes, some passive aggressiveness from leadership, and a lack of specific support from leadership. I doubt it is better anywhere else I'd end up, but that doesn't stop me from dreaming about greener pastures.

Dec 18, 18 7:55 pm
Non Sequitur

If I were to write a paragraph like yours... it would be identical (minus the part about the raise and bonus). Which means, it's the same everywhere. 8-)

mightyaa

Mine would be similar... except add that the principals are disconnected from the staff and where are actual challenges are. Hence the passive/aggressive since they just see something went amiss but didn't bother even talking to staff about the chain of events creating the issues.

Yeah, I'm fully aware most of that isn't going to be better elsewhere. The thing that really has me contemplating a move is the lack of specific support from leaders.

randomised

This entire bonus culture is just to not have to pay a decent base salary and have people slave to get what they should have gotten in the first place. It brings competitiveness and greed into a job that should be about collaboration. You basically pay for your own bonus or your bonus comes from your colleague not getting theirs.

Dec 19, 18 2:56 am
Non Sequitur

Communist!

tintt

cOMPETITIVNESS AND GREED IS WHAT MAKES THIS COUNTRY GREAT!

Non Sequitur

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randomised

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molten

@randomised I agree. I basically told my employer I was willing to forgo a bonus if it means I get a higher base salary. They said no because "people like getting fat checks at the end of the year/we don't want to change our firm culture".

tduds

How does it bring competitiveness and greed?

randomised

Because helping your coworkers means increasing their chances of getting that fat bonus and decreasing yours. It leads to people not wanting to share their knowledge/expertise or even trying to sabotage each other just to stay ahead. It turns your coworkers in competitors for that bonus while you should be working as a team towards common/shared goals, in my opinion at least.

Non Sequitur

Great pick-up there Rando.

tduds

That's a terrible way to structure bonuses. Every place I've worked where bonuses have been offered they've been proportioned by seniority / tenure (an objective measure) and not "performance" (a bullshit measure). 

A year-end bonus should be about sharing profits, not selectively rewarding some sense of individual achievement (especially in this industry where such a thing doesn't exist). 

tduds

Just because something is implemented badly (although, I've yet to see an example in my personal experience of this implementation) doesn't mean the thing itself is bad.

Steeplechase

Working with and helping colleagues is part of how our bonuses are determined because a firm should work together.

Our bonuses definitely work more the way tduds describes than what randomised describes. I'm sure there is some discretion in giving someone a slightly smaller or larger bonus based on their individual effort, but it's a team effort across the entire firm. If the firm does poorly, everybody's bonus suffers ... conversely, everybody benefits if the firm makes a good profit.

sameolddoctor

I vote for better pay AND better bonuses. Whats wrong with that?

randomised

When people rely on a bonus, it's a necessity and it means regular pay is off. It's like waitresses depending on tips to make a decent pay because their salary is too low, I'm with Mr. Pink on this one. Sure, you do a good job so you can get your bonus...it's simply your job to do a good job in my opinion. And doing a good job should be paid accordingly obviously. Bonus culture is what basically lead to the last global economic crisis. And also, places that offer bonuses, in general offer lower salaries AND try to do more work with less people on staff. Making the staff that is there work harder by dangling that potential bonus in front of them, putting in those extra hours, working harder and harder, don't want to miss out on that bonus, management is laughing all the way to the bank...

sameolddoctor

I said that I vote for Better Salary AND Better Bonus, randomised. Which part of that wasnt clear?

tduds

Maybe my experience is unique but none of what randomised said up there matches with my experience.

randomised

Sameold, you were very clear and so is tduds. I just think it's kind of funny/ironic...just do an archinect search about the low pay within the field/profession and then take a look at bonus culture. Or is complaining about low pay reserved for after the holiday season when that short lived bonusbizzz wore off?

randomised

*bonus buzz

tduds

I don't "rely" on the bonus, but I do appreciate it. 

Further, if my bonus were simply distributed into my paycheck throughout the year, it wouldn't overcome the chronic underpayment of the industry overall (which, frankly, is based more in the fee's we're able to command more than the wages owners decide to pay, and a result of the larger global economic culture more than the internal industry culture)

Like sameold said: better pay AND bonuses.

newguy

Remember, comrades:  A bonus is just a small portion of the surplus profit you earned throughout the year for the company from your labor that they withheld from your salary.

bowling_ball

I might jinx it, but I think I might find out today. Typically we get anywhere from 1 to 2 paychecks. This year we might not get anything, with the excuse that the office underwent about $1M in renovations (which was needed and I appreciate, but shouldn't be coming out of my bonus). 


Wish me luck

Dec 19, 18 8:33 am
sameolddoctor

...and?

bowling_ball

Big fat fucking zero. Which is totally unusual as I say. Combined with the entire office not receiving any raises this year, despite a very stressful and successful year, I'm not overly impressed.

Non Sequitur

Hey, no fat-shaming allowed.

sameolddoctor

Oh crap, maybe stressful and successful year in terms of projects, but not billing?

bowling_ball

Maybe a bit of both. I'm sure billables were fine, but we bought and renovated a new building so we had those bills. I'm sure the owners didn't take it from their incomes. It's not really my business, I'm just bummed out.

Wood Guy

No bonus here, the boss is a jerk. Also the boss is me.

Dec 19, 18 2:49 pm

You should take that up with HR

Wood Guy

Oh I have, and he's not happy either. It's a sh!t show over here.

curtkram

hmm. trying to parse this out. the employee and HR are upset with the boss. is the boss upset with the employee and HR, or is he just rolling in the benjamins while the alternate personalities fight it out?

shellarchitect

Where does the wife figure in? I usually consider her my boss

mightyaa

Too bad it isn't a family firm. My threat was always "I'm not making enough and will have to move back home with you..." /payraise incoming :P Unfortunately, it worked in reverse when I took the reins and my parents became employees....

Wood Guy

@curtkram, this year the boss didn’t make any money, so he’s justifiably upset. But he’s the one who decided to start a new business venture that failed rather spectacularly, and is just taking it out on his steadfast employees.

@shellarchitect, she has been supportive but would have preferred some extra money. We are equals, and she has her own small business to run. (If anyone is looking for last-minute Christmas gifts, it’s too late, but you can get New Years’ gifts here: https://www.ridgepondherbals.com/. Hand-crafted, with many ingredients grown on our farm.)

@mightyaa, your family firm comment is funny--the thing is that what really screwed things up for me was the construction business I started with my brother earlier this year, formally dissolved a few days ago. If anyone can figure out how to work with family members, I am in awe. (And debt.) Fortunately things are looking up—I’m booking design work into summer 2019, with some great projects (net-zero modern farmhouses) and have also started a construction business on my own which is doing well so far.

curtkram

net-zero farmhouse actually sounds like a lot of fun. good luck!

shellarchitect

Current firm usually gives out a couple hundred at the end of the year, didn't even notice it the first year

Dec 19, 18 7:03 pm

My very first ever year end bonus was a whopping $50. They probably spent more than $50 on the overhead to first decide how much to give me, get the bookkeeper to issue the check, stick it in an envelope, package it with the others for our office, overnight it to the office, and have the principal hand it to me during an associated year-end performance review.

tintt

I can beat that. I got a single digit check once.

geezertect

^ I would have saved the check as a reminder.

tintt

I won't ever forget. The lesson was actually invaluable.

Was the lesson to be more competitive and greedy?

tintt

I guess you could say that. I don't know. The bonuses were figured on profit. I was on unprofitable (difficult) projects. I happened to spend a few random hours on a highly profitable job, thus the single digit check. Bread and butter makes money. Complex and custom doesn't.

geezertect

I hope you're not still at that firm. You shouldn't be penalized because the project was complex, if the unprofitability wasn't because of what you personally did. Management is supposed to control jobs and structure fees to cover costs plus profit. Client and project selection is their responsibility. Basing the bonuses on individual projects incentivizes people to avoid anything difficult. Dumb.

tintt

I am not. Thanks.

shellarchitect

got $500 today, apparently had half of it go into my 401k, so a little over $200

starling
$15,000 bonus this year, up from the usual $10K since I got a promotion this year. A lot of that went to whittling down those pesky loans.
Dec 20, 18 12:11 am
G4tor

Nothing. But then again, I did start my current job a month ago. So... I guess my 12% bump could be considered that. Otherwise, had i stayed at my previous firm, about 1k.

Dec 20, 18 7:01 pm
bowling_ball

Was with my bosses at a dunch (drunk lunch) when one asked if I'd gotten job offers from other firms (which I have) and I answered honestly. He seemed to be caught a little off guard, so there might be room to negotiate in the new year, after all. 


On the other hand, I'm tempted to just show up for 90% of my work week as that's all I'm getting paid for anyway. Wish me luck.

Dec 21, 18 12:17 am
LITS4FormZ

Sounds like it’s tike to bounce. Congrats on the offers. New year, new gig

bowling_ball

We'll see. The other side of the coin is that in my day-to-day work, I'm treated quite well and I know from what I gather from my peers at other firms, I'm paid very well (even though it sometimes doesn't feel like it). So we'll see. I'm keeping my options open for 2019.

ShakeyDeal

$1000. Wasn’t expecting to get one. So win win.  It’s all about lowered expectations.

Jan 2, 19 10:30 pm
Chad Miller

$5k but that was the amount of unpaid overtime I did if I where paid straight hourly beyond 40 hrs a week (no time and a half).


Nov 6, 19 7:14 pm

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