It wouldn't surprise me if the TVCC tower ends up being demolished. As Orhan points out, once steel has been exposed to extreme heat, it loses much of its strength.
A precedent would be the 38-story One Meridian Plaza in Philadelphia, which suffered a severe fire that destroyed several floors. The building survived the initial fire without collapsing, but was eventually demolished because of the damage to the steel structure.
The First Interstate Tower in Los Angeles, however, was able to be repaired and re-opened after a severe fire in 1988.
i remember back on sept 11, 2001 (before the towers collapsed) i was absolutely astounded by the idea of trying to either 1- trying to repair the holes in those buildings at 80+ stories above manhattan or 2- trying to demolish them with out destroying half the neighborhood. obviously, i was getting ahead of myself that morning.
a quick analysis shows the thread central cleared 74 pages during it first year, 114 pages it's second year (to reach page 188 on it's birthday) and covered 88 pages during its third year (to put us on page 276 as we speak). has this thread finally reached maturity and is now strolling into senescence?
On Judy Blume's birthday it's a good day to say that I can't predict what kind of mess I would be today if I had not read her books as a pre-teen. Yes, including Forever and Wifey.
And I was lucky; my mom being a nurse meant she was pretty open about sex and birth control with me (plus my parents have always been openly affectionate), and though I can talk about sex with my folks today when I was 14 I just couldn't, and besides, a teenager needs some privacy. Not to mention all the other terrifying aspects of adolescence that Judy Blume's books made seem normal.
The NPR article gives the impression that these pro-Darwin clergy are a small minority within Christianity. Fact is, the majority of Christians worldwide, and most of the largest Christian denominations -- including the Roman Catholic Church, the various branches of Orthodox Christianity, and the Anglican Communion -- have no theological conflict with Darwin's concepts.
It's only a small minority of fundamentalist Christians who believe the Bible to be the literal, inerrant word of God (an idea that only goes back to the 1800's, despite claims of the fundies to be adherents "that old-time religion"), and that minority is primarily concentrated in rural areas of the United States.
Unfortunately, they tend to yell the loudest and they have some very high-profile people on their side, so they get to dominate the discussion about evolution. But please don't make the mistake of assuming they speak for Christians in general, because most mainline, Catholic, and Orthodox Christians want nothing to do with these wingnuts.
LB, I didnt know Judy Bloom wrote anything like that. I read the fudge books, and freckle juice. As a matter of fact, my first book having anything to do with, well, you know, was Valley of the Horses - the second in the clan of the cave bear series, and I was in 7th grade. Imagine the look on the poor boys face when I asked him what the author meant by "Throbbing member." I got a kick out of it. To be clear, my mom had forgotten about those parts in the book. Whoops!
so...part of my unemployed plan has come to fruition...
unemployment has been busier than working. and i am only
partially unemployed since i'm getting to work as a consultant
for a few weeks...
anyway. after years of having no web prescence and having it
all seem like an impossibility...my roommate has put a quick
website together for me...link
hey who had encyclopedias when they were kids and what did they mean to you? we had a set of world book encyclopedias and every year we would get a year book. the first things i would look up in the yearbook was what famous people had died and what the big world disasters were...
hah i sold those things door to door for awhile when i was 18 and fighting off homelessness, vado. it was oddly sick living...
our job was to prey on poor people who wanted better for their kids. thank the gods for the internet toobs. i quit to become a dishwasher because i couldn't stand fucking with fellow poor people - dishwashing of course led, inevitably, to architecture...
that is very good work lars. hope you get break and can earn living from the arts.
i am surprised many of you did not know the other OMA building beside CCTV. it is still one of my favorites from them, although it is not fashionable to like OMA anymore.
Lars congrats on the new site, very subtle website that really shows off the excellent work.
Jump I didn't realise OMA was out of favour. I find it alarming how many of the students rave over the work of Calatrava no matter how hard I try to nudge them otherwise. I suspect it is the novelty of the engineering solutions that appeal to them.
Vado we still have a stack of Encyclopaedias from the early 80s that was brought back from Colorado. I've getting rid of them a few times but my mother insists on handing them down to my sister's children - perhaps to use as a door stop. Like Jump said thank god for the Internet and research at the tips of your fingers.
lars your work is awesome! No wonder you have been so busy in your "off" time!
Regarding OMA, I don't dislike all of their work, in fact I very much like the Seattle library, but I find it troubling that they don't use their stature to produce less wasteful buildings. I DO dislike Rem though, quite a bit. And, just to prove our diversity of opinions, I like Calatrava's work. I think his forms are spectacular and elegant and mostly based on geometry and function, as opposed to say, oh I don't know .... Rem's work.
That sucks vado. Mine started yesterday afternoon and it's still hainging around. Will someone please loosen the invisible vice grip that is clamped behind my temples. PLEASE!!!!
over 24 hours and yes it's a migraine, solutions in the correct order 2 glasses of lightly chilled water wait 30 minutes, if no change try red wine - a bottle's worth usually does the trick for me
Dubk and archi,
Early on in my architecture loving career i really dug Calatrava. Now i think he forms are so obviously form centered and while beautiful kind of think he is a hack.
Personally, i would argue that OMA and REM are at the core a program centered (and thus function focused) firm. Though this often involves a sort of reduction and thinking laterally approach that leads to new forms of the building type they are tasked with.
I much prefer the later approach.
Lars, i really dig your paintings and quite a few of the photos.
lb..giacometti is one of my favorite artists..i've probably said that before..but that'd be amazing if you remembered it. i have about ten or so books of his work..and saw his exhibition at the moma and another at the pace....i love his paintings.
beta...my roommate is trying to get me into illustration.. and i'll probably try to get some work in that area in a few weeks..but right now i'm still trying to do architecture. we'll see.
archi, i am getting feeling rem is not loved based on bilous reactions to the firing of TTCV. not just here, its all over the intertoobs. i still love him though. not him personally you understand....
we watched hairspray this evening. i didn't know the story but was glad to have it as introduction to history of segregation/racism in USA for my daughter. its hard to imagine that time from where we sit in japan today. we are blessed to be in country where life is insanely peaceful and happy.
melt, my mum gets migraines and has become immune to almost all painkillers over the years. she now has to be injected directly for anything lasting more than a day. it is not a good experience. if it doesn't get better i'd recommend seeing a doctor. red wine is bad idea usually.
once upon a time, when i worked in boston, we used to get president's day off as a paid holiday. also got columbus day too. no wonder i liked boston.
i was just looking at some new photos of friends living in new york city. they look really old, very pale. clearly they need some sun & some exercise. i love nyc but it does seem to grind on the people who actually live & work there.
Lars, your paintings rock. Do you start with photos, or sitting subjects?
Man have I got a busy day...Making cinnamon rolls, getting ready for tonight, dropping Abram off at Mama's...sheesh dont know how I will get it all in. Oh, and I cant forget to swing into a perfume shop for a sample spritz of Secret Obsission. Do you think theyd say anything if I swing in all dressed up for a date, apply some, and then rush out?
And yes, we have Britanicca. It always seemed smarter tha world book. And I have to say, I sometimes preffer the analogue approach to research. I think I will encourage it for my kid.
Did anybody else see that they are remaking Deep Throat? I dont even know what the first one is about, other than, well, you know.
I share WonderK's feelings about Calatrava and Rem, respectively... Although I find Calatrava's work more interesting when he designs bridges and infrastructure, as opposed to museums and such. OMA's work is certainly provocative, but I honestly don't understand so much of the hype that surrounds it. I'm about 1/3 of the way through reading Rem's Delirious New York in an effort to better understand where he's coming from. He makes some great observations, but so far I'm still drawing a blank in terms of how that translates into his built projects.
Most of my favorite starchitects don't seem to be heavy theorists as far as I can tell: I generally like the works of Foster, Richard Rogers, Renzo Piano, Tadao Ando, and Richard Meier; I'm less interested in Libeskind, Zaha, and Rem.
Maybe that says more about me than about the architects in question... I tend to be a very linear thinker, and I like projects with a certain level of precision, logic, and craft to them. I have a feeling this will make life difficult for me when I start grad school... I have this fear that I'll be expected to design projects incorporating all sorts of blobs and shards at weird angles just to placate the jury. Looking at the websites of some architecture schools, you'd think students get tarred and feathered if they design something with right angles.
I agree with Puddles about the effect NYC has on people... I never had any gray hairs until I moved here the first time in 2004; within a year I had quite a few. Most of the time I love being here, but I sometimes wonder if I'm getting to old to keep it up much longer.
Lars - Good stuff! The website is still in progress though right? All the paintings are called "painting x" and the descriptions read the same. Otherwise, its a nice simple website. Who is the sax player in image 47?
SH...thanks! yes all the paintings are done off of photographs.. i work weird hours so having a model sit would be a pain...plus i don't really get natural light where i paint
slart - yes it's still a bit in progress..i need to make up the labels. i'll have to figure out who the sax player is...most of the jazz musicians are paintings made from photographs by friedlander.
melt - giacometti is more famous for his sculpture..you've probably seen them just don't know it. his paintings are more interesting to me.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Giacometti
Lars - I would be interested in seeing a painting that you've done with a model vs a photo. Not telling you - you should because its better or anything like that, just sayin it would be interesting to see.
I'm also interested in finding out who that sax player is. Its one of those random things that has no effect on my life but want to find out anyway.
Hes THAT guy? He has like a whole army of people at the Nascher here in Dallas. Hmmm.
And yes, they really are. I saw it on TV yesterday. Thing is, the company remaking it isn't the same as the original one, and so they are calling it Throat, which the original DT people are suing about saying that Throat is copyrighted. From the clips they showed, it seemd gothy? Don't ask me. I mentioned it to my Mom, and she said the movie had terrible acting and no plot; that 'Behind the Green Door' was much better. I have no idea what she's talking about.
It's both funny and disturbing to me to see these old porn movies that....wait, I don't really want to start talking about porn here. I find it funny that Deep Throat is being remade, but yeah, it was a pretty crappy movie. That's enough from me.
I don't get President's Day off, but my son's school is closed, so I'll be dragging him to a few materials vendors showrooms to return samples. Maybe a jobsite or two!
I just went to a Valentine's "dance" at Angus' school. We did the hokey pokey, the chicken dance, and one other dance I didn't know.
Every time I spend time with ANgus' school class (17 students), I come away feeling like the teachers are saints. I don't know where they find the energy.
The government doesn't pay them any more - they actually implanted them with a gland that secrets red bull, vallium and ecstasy as needed.
So they do seem saintly, but they are just properly medicated.
Thread Central
nam, that article says the towers can withstand earthquakes while using less steel than a regular tower.
I thought the word on the street was that CCTV was using three times as much steel as a conventional design? Does anyone remember where I heard that?
lb my feet smell like coffee!
vado, you grinding coffee beans with your feet again?
It wouldn't surprise me if the TVCC tower ends up being demolished. As Orhan points out, once steel has been exposed to extreme heat, it loses much of its strength.
A precedent would be the 38-story One Meridian Plaza in Philadelphia, which suffered a severe fire that destroyed several floors. The building survived the initial fire without collapsing, but was eventually demolished because of the damage to the steel structure.
The First Interstate Tower in Los Angeles, however, was able to be repaired and re-opened after a severe fire in 1988.
Some Sane Believers
i remember back on sept 11, 2001 (before the towers collapsed) i was absolutely astounded by the idea of trying to either 1- trying to repair the holes in those buildings at 80+ stories above manhattan or 2- trying to demolish them with out destroying half the neighborhood. obviously, i was getting ahead of myself that morning.
a quick analysis shows the thread central cleared 74 pages during it first year, 114 pages it's second year (to reach page 188 on it's birthday) and covered 88 pages during its third year (to put us on page 276 as we speak). has this thread finally reached maturity and is now strolling into senescence?
On Judy Blume's birthday it's a good day to say that I can't predict what kind of mess I would be today if I had not read her books as a pre-teen. Yes, including Forever and Wifey.
And I was lucky; my mom being a nurse meant she was pretty open about sex and birth control with me (plus my parents have always been openly affectionate), and though I can talk about sex with my folks today when I was 14 I just couldn't, and besides, a teenager needs some privacy. Not to mention all the other terrifying aspects of adolescence that Judy Blume's books made seem normal.
She rocks.
puddles, a third of the second year's posts were mdler and tumbles flirting with each other. So, I think your research is skewed.
The NPR article gives the impression that these pro-Darwin clergy are a small minority within Christianity. Fact is, the majority of Christians worldwide, and most of the largest Christian denominations -- including the Roman Catholic Church, the various branches of Orthodox Christianity, and the Anglican Communion -- have no theological conflict with Darwin's concepts.
It's only a small minority of fundamentalist Christians who believe the Bible to be the literal, inerrant word of God (an idea that only goes back to the 1800's, despite claims of the fundies to be adherents "that old-time religion"), and that minority is primarily concentrated in rural areas of the United States.
Unfortunately, they tend to yell the loudest and they have some very high-profile people on their side, so they get to dominate the discussion about evolution. But please don't make the mistake of assuming they speak for Christians in general, because most mainline, Catholic, and Orthodox Christians want nothing to do with these wingnuts.
Happy birthday, Darwin.
Hey! Does Curacao come from Curacao?
Hi thinks so?
LB, I didnt know Judy Bloom wrote anything like that. I read the fudge books, and freckle juice. As a matter of fact, my first book having anything to do with, well, you know, was Valley of the Horses - the second in the clan of the cave bear series, and I was in 7th grade. Imagine the look on the poor boys face when I asked him what the author meant by "Throbbing member." I got a kick out of it. To be clear, my mom had forgotten about those parts in the book. Whoops!
Sarah are you referring to Blue Curacao? Yes!
I heard from a little bird that [url=
this]http://www.greendesigncollective.com/blog/]this[/url][/url] was a quick and interesting read. (sorry)
Also hopefully you aren't getting tired of my links but here's one about what men should know about women. Just in time for VD Day, as I like to call it :o)
Damn! My mischief is exposed through my incompetence. Oh how I long for better Archinect posting capabilities...
Just read my blog please, thanks: http://www.greendesigncollective.com/blog/
so...part of my unemployed plan has come to fruition...
unemployment has been busier than working. and i am only
partially unemployed since i'm getting to work as a consultant
for a few weeks...
anyway. after years of having no web prescence and having it
all seem like an impossibility...my roommate has put a quick
website together for me...link
awright Lars!
hey who had encyclopedias when they were kids and what did they mean to you? we had a set of world book encyclopedias and every year we would get a year book. the first things i would look up in the yearbook was what famous people had died and what the big world disasters were...
they looked like this...
hah i sold those things door to door for awhile when i was 18 and fighting off homelessness, vado. it was oddly sick living...
our job was to prey on poor people who wanted better for their kids. thank the gods for the internet toobs. i quit to become a dishwasher because i couldn't stand fucking with fellow poor people - dishwashing of course led, inevitably, to architecture...
that is very good work lars. hope you get break and can earn living from the arts.
i am surprised many of you did not know the other OMA building beside CCTV. it is still one of my favorites from them, although it is not fashionable to like OMA anymore.
Lars congrats on the new site, very subtle website that really shows off the excellent work.
Jump I didn't realise OMA was out of favour. I find it alarming how many of the students rave over the work of Calatrava no matter how hard I try to nudge them otherwise. I suspect it is the novelty of the engineering solutions that appeal to them.
Vado we still have a stack of Encyclopaedias from the early 80s that was brought back from Colorado. I've getting rid of them a few times but my mother insists on handing them down to my sister's children - perhaps to use as a door stop. Like Jump said thank god for the Internet and research at the tips of your fingers.
We had Britannica, and a very cool large format atlas from the 60s. Also a couple year's worth of National Geographic.
I spent hours and hours with those things, all of them.
Lars, site looks great, I especially love the sketches and in a few of them you are definitely getting the Giacometti piercing gaze down!
lars your work is awesome! No wonder you have been so busy in your "off" time!
Regarding OMA, I don't dislike all of their work, in fact I very much like the Seattle library, but I find it troubling that they don't use their stature to produce less wasteful buildings. I DO dislike Rem though, quite a bit. And, just to prove our diversity of opinions, I like Calatrava's work. I think his forms are spectacular and elegant and mostly based on geometry and function, as opposed to say, oh I don't know .... Rem's work.
"Depression Bubble"
that is what i am going to call this period in history.
lars, really nice work, why aren't you an illustrator for some cool fashion magazine?
PS. Sorry, just one more thing, there was a tornado in Hawaii yesterday. Pretty freaky, eh?
It's been over 24 hours and my head still hurts. WTF? Is this a migraine? Anyone? Anyone?
that sucks melty. i had one yesterday and it melted me.
personally, i have always detested Calatrava, i hate every thing he does.
That sucks vado. Mine started yesterday afternoon and it's still hainging around. Will someone please loosen the invisible vice grip that is clamped behind my temples. PLEASE!!!!
over 24 hours and yes it's a migraine, solutions in the correct order 2 glasses of lightly chilled water wait 30 minutes, if no change try red wine - a bottle's worth usually does the trick for me
Dubk and archi,
Early on in my architecture loving career i really dug Calatrava. Now i think he forms are so obviously form centered and while beautiful kind of think he is a hack.
Personally, i would argue that OMA and REM are at the core a program centered (and thus function focused) firm. Though this often involves a sort of reduction and thinking laterally approach that leads to new forms of the building type they are tasked with.
I much prefer the later approach.
Lars, i really dig your paintings and quite a few of the photos.
thanks all ..i appreciate it.
lb..giacometti is one of my favorite artists..i've probably said that before..but that'd be amazing if you remembered it. i have about ten or so books of his work..and saw his exhibition at the moma and another at the pace....i love his paintings.
beta...my roommate is trying to get me into illustration.. and i'll probably try to get some work in that area in a few weeks..but right now i'm still trying to do architecture. we'll see.
i am still alive
Does anybody else get Presidents Day off as a paid holiday? I think this is the only office I've worked for that does that, but I'm not complaining.
Headache is still kinda there, although now I think it has more to do with sinus issues.
Lars - your paintings are amazing. I've never heard of giacometti, might have to check him out.
LIG - Hahahaha!!! President's Day off. I thought that only schools and banks actually observed that holiday.
thats something LIG.
archi, i am getting feeling rem is not loved based on bilous reactions to the firing of TTCV. not just here, its all over the intertoobs. i still love him though. not him personally you understand....
we watched hairspray this evening. i didn't know the story but was glad to have it as introduction to history of segregation/racism in USA for my daughter. its hard to imagine that time from where we sit in japan today. we are blessed to be in country where life is insanely peaceful and happy.
melt, my mum gets migraines and has become immune to almost all painkillers over the years. she now has to be injected directly for anything lasting more than a day. it is not a good experience. if it doesn't get better i'd recommend seeing a doctor. red wine is bad idea usually.
once upon a time, when i worked in boston, we used to get president's day off as a paid holiday. also got columbus day too. no wonder i liked boston.
i was just looking at some new photos of friends living in new york city. they look really old, very pale. clearly they need some sun & some exercise. i love nyc but it does seem to grind on the people who actually live & work there.
Lars, your paintings rock. Do you start with photos, or sitting subjects?
Man have I got a busy day...Making cinnamon rolls, getting ready for tonight, dropping Abram off at Mama's...sheesh dont know how I will get it all in. Oh, and I cant forget to swing into a perfume shop for a sample spritz of Secret Obsission. Do you think theyd say anything if I swing in all dressed up for a date, apply some, and then rush out?
And yes, we have Britanicca. It always seemed smarter tha world book. And I have to say, I sometimes preffer the analogue approach to research. I think I will encourage it for my kid.
Did anybody else see that they are remaking Deep Throat? I dont even know what the first one is about, other than, well, you know.
I share WonderK's feelings about Calatrava and Rem, respectively... Although I find Calatrava's work more interesting when he designs bridges and infrastructure, as opposed to museums and such. OMA's work is certainly provocative, but I honestly don't understand so much of the hype that surrounds it. I'm about 1/3 of the way through reading Rem's Delirious New York in an effort to better understand where he's coming from. He makes some great observations, but so far I'm still drawing a blank in terms of how that translates into his built projects.
Most of my favorite starchitects don't seem to be heavy theorists as far as I can tell: I generally like the works of Foster, Richard Rogers, Renzo Piano, Tadao Ando, and Richard Meier; I'm less interested in Libeskind, Zaha, and Rem.
Maybe that says more about me than about the architects in question... I tend to be a very linear thinker, and I like projects with a certain level of precision, logic, and craft to them. I have a feeling this will make life difficult for me when I start grad school... I have this fear that I'll be expected to design projects incorporating all sorts of blobs and shards at weird angles just to placate the jury. Looking at the websites of some architecture schools, you'd think students get tarred and feathered if they design something with right angles.
I agree with Puddles about the effect NYC has on people... I never had any gray hairs until I moved here the first time in 2004; within a year I had quite a few. Most of the time I love being here, but I sometimes wonder if I'm getting to old to keep it up much longer.
SH,
Are they really>?
Seems like a shitty idea to me but then most remakes are...
HAve fun on your date.
That sucks melt...I have a friends you get them to regularly to count...
****melt sorry your head is still pounding. What of the remedy?
Anyway can you believe it's weekend already? Sigh
Lars - Good stuff! The website is still in progress though right? All the paintings are called "painting x" and the descriptions read the same. Otherwise, its a nice simple website. Who is the sax player in image 47?
LIG - I have off Monday too! I was surprised.
SH...thanks! yes all the paintings are done off of photographs.. i work weird hours so having a model sit would be a pain...plus i don't really get natural light where i paint
slart - yes it's still a bit in progress..i need to make up the labels. i'll have to figure out who the sax player is...most of the jazz musicians are paintings made from photographs by friedlander.
melt - giacometti is more famous for his sculpture..you've probably seen them just don't know it. his paintings are more interesting to me.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Giacometti
Lars - I would be interested in seeing a painting that you've done with a model vs a photo. Not telling you - you should because its better or anything like that, just sayin it would be interesting to see.
I'm also interested in finding out who that sax player is. Its one of those random things that has no effect on my life but want to find out anyway.
Hes THAT guy? He has like a whole army of people at the Nascher here in Dallas. Hmmm.
And yes, they really are. I saw it on TV yesterday. Thing is, the company remaking it isn't the same as the original one, and so they are calling it Throat, which the original DT people are suing about saying that Throat is copyrighted. From the clips they showed, it seemd gothy? Don't ask me. I mentioned it to my Mom, and she said the movie had terrible acting and no plot; that 'Behind the Green Door' was much better. I have no idea what she's talking about.
Rock on, Sarah's mom!!
It's both funny and disturbing to me to see these old porn movies that....wait, I don't really want to start talking about porn here. I find it funny that Deep Throat is being remade, but yeah, it was a pretty crappy movie. That's enough from me.
I don't get President's Day off, but my son's school is closed, so I'll be dragging him to a few materials vendors showrooms to return samples. Maybe a jobsite or two!
DebDuzDallas is probably better....
I just went to a Valentine's "dance" at Angus' school. We did the hokey pokey, the chicken dance, and one other dance I didn't know.
Every time I spend time with ANgus' school class (17 students), I come away feeling like the teachers are saints. I don't know where they find the energy.
The government doesn't pay them any more - they actually implanted them with a gland that secrets red bull, vallium and ecstasy as needed.
So they do seem saintly, but they are just properly medicated.
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