myriam, I would send her a short response, something along the lines of...
*clear throat, remove nose, put on myriam voice*
"thanks for offering to take some pictures for me! If it's not too much trouble, i would like to come by and set up a few shots while work is still being done..." <---maybe make it sound like you want some "in progress" images... she's probably just assuming that you would prefer to have magazine-ish images (read: staged).
best of luck...
...
almost 5, I'm outta hear! WOOHOO! put that on a t-shirt, bitch!
AP - are you in london per your school blog or back in florida???? i'm so confused!!!
Myriam- chase after the in progress shots angle. You can also tell the nice lady that you wanted to check up on the quality of the work that the contractor has done, since before you leave, you'd like the nice lady to have a perfect project...
thx straw. just have a few beers for me. that will make me feel a lot better. a few brewers to try that make some good beer: three floyd's out of indiana, pizza port does some interesting stuff, and i love southampton's beers. i believe southampton's grand cru won awards in 2001 and 2005 at the GABF. hair of the dog is a more well-known brewer that always does good stuff too. i would seek out at least the first three i mentioned. enjoy.
in Florida. I'm using the blog as a retroactive journal...I typically record each day, one way or another, in my sketchbook. The plan is to go through the trip, one day at a time, from London to Barcelona to the Netherlands... So far I've only made it to Day 2!
here's a link to the introduction to this series: In Retrospect
AP, as much as I'm enjoying your trip photos so far, I have to say that the ones of London only serve to remind me of how much I thoroughly detest London!
...although the pictures themselves are pretty, of course. Keep 'em coming! Git R Done!
myriam,
i also think your former client assumes you want finished photos..
which in her mind is a perfect interior ala architectural digest.
i'd just wait a couple weeks and call/write again a few days in
advance of wanting to go over there...just say you'll be in the area
and want to stop by just to see how things are going..if it's still a
job site it might even be easier since your client won't feel as though
your walking around her house.
on the t shirt website...did anyone notice the "corb papa" design
is available on a thong? what's a girl sayin with corb underwear?
or is it supposed to be a gift? just seems as though it's creepy.
m....why the heck would she care if you shot some of work in progress....seems like a perfectly normal request if your doing
construction observation. Your recording the progress of the work.
You could always have a bottle of wine....just to let her know you would like to have her enjoy it upon completion of the project.
AP- thanks for the clarification- I though you had a twin running around the streets of london as you were slaving over your desk...
So does this mean you've graduated, or does FIU make you do a co-op semester or two?
E- those beers sound good! it's finally getting cool enough that my bourbon collection is looking mighty temping- no more cold brewskis for me till it warms up!
ah but treekiller, as the weather cools, you focus on different beers that will warm the belly. think imperial stouts [a stout bigger and bolder than your average stout] and barleywines. not to missed are two barleywine festival: the toranado barleywine festival in san francisco and the hard liver barleywine fest [named by yours truly] in seattle.
on to bourbons, whachu drinking? my fave right now is the 20yr old pappy wan winkle.
e- since I'm between jobs right now and in the pour house, I'm nursing a bottle of Knob Creek... but I have been known to enjoy life with basil hayden, elijah craig, buffalo trace, jefferson reserve, even williams, and woodford. Though this is just a start, I have yet to meet a single barrel I don't like, even gentleman's jack. The refinery tour at JD's was fun!
I have a wicked receipe for apple pie with green lable jack...
As long as we're on topic, I had a revelation this morning. See, I went out to a block party AND an 80's party at bar last night and I had some alcohol. I had a little vodka but mostly Guinness, because it never gives me hangovers and I was scheduled to run this morning at 8:30 am. Well I woke up this morning at 7:30, and damn, I felt great. I wasn't hungover or hungry, and I ran the fastest quarter mile I've ever run, too.
Moral of this story? Guinness is the perfect food/drink. Most of you probably knew this already but now I'm allowed to include it in my "runner's diet" and I'm positively thrilled.
i ran into this video. does anybody know who did the soundtrack? great poetry. read very much like robert smith of cure. pretty good fashion show too. prada 06/07
I spent all morning working on a tedious, delicate, and (I thought) beautiful pen+ink drawing. When my boyfriend sees it, his reaction was, "What is it?".
I am so fucking depressed, I feel like giving up. I am obviously crap, and additionally have no taste whatsoever if I can be really happy with a piece and have it garner that reaction.
rationalist, you can't expect people to understand or like what you do at all times.
there are gonna be people who are not going to like or get what you do. it is normal and doesn't really mean your work is bad.
It wasn't really a 'get it' or 'not get it' sort of thing. It was just trees. An excercise in shading, layering, simplicity, a happy little sketch where I felt like I was on to something style/technique-wise. I'm not sure there's anything to 'not get' about it.... Just want to curl up in bed and bawl. I know that's bad, but I'm used to be able to tell when something I've done is a hit or a miss, and it's really disturbing to have been so wrong.
myriam, I'm not a huge fan of London either, but this particular visit was great, especially because the weather was so beautiful...as for postcards, I was hoping for a better turnout, but since dubK and lb were the only ones to respond, I just sent them a few each.
treekiller, I have a 4 year pre-pro degree (B.Design in Architecture, April '05) from the University of Florida (not FIU)...no co-op, but after taking 8 straight studios and the accompanying courses, I wanted to marinate in it for a while before going to grad school.
rationalista, if your boyfriend can't tell that that's a tree, give him a good smack on the head. ;-)
AP- take your time... I enjoyed my 7 year hiatus between undergrad (4 yr-BS arch) and my grad work. So congrats on escaping the first part of college!!! Good luck with Linkedin for expanding your professional horizons.
(ps other 'nectors, I'll send out invites to join the networking game if you drop me an email)
oh shit, treekiller already named it... oh well. see rationalist it is easy to tell what the drawing is of! your bf was just being an ass.
do californians think eucalyptus are native? i thought everyone knew they were australian! ...that's what the koalas eat, sez the koala guy at the san diego wild animal park. the only native tree in south orange county that i know of is the scrub oak, right? or are there others? man i love trees.
We used to chew eucalyptus leaves to freshen our breath. Unfortunately, no stoning. I think they are native to Africa, too, or maybe they were just planted there? Hmm.
A lot of people do lump them in with native plants here because they grow so well. I'm of the opinion that we need to import some koalas to get rid of the mess they make.
Now that I've had a night to think it over, I realize that he's never really been into art. The only artists I know that he likes are Dali and the guy who illustrated 'Where the Wild Things Are'. He probably didn't even realize that they're right outside our kitchen window, because I didn't put the crappy stucco wall with nail-on windows behind them. In the interest of preserving my self-esteem, I don't think I'm going to show him any more work.
rationalist, when I showed my husband my award-winning manifesto entry, his response was a grunt. Some days he just doesn't have the energy to comment on my art/work because he's been talking art all day with his students. And god knows I'm the same way with him sometimes. Your tree drawing is lovely and if your man had really "looked" there is no way he would have missed it. Don't beat yourself up over his visual laziness.
My computer is finally somewhat back and I am slowly recovering from the trauma of it all. Still no wireless internet, as every tech person I talk to says a mac and a pc can't share the same airport but of course I know that's BS because thats' the setup I've had for the last year at both my home and my office! I just need to figure out how to do it.
Also, while I thought the weekly backup to an external harddrive was capturing my entire c-drive, it wasn't: it was only saving my documents folder. So while I have all my business-related stuff, thank god, I lost all my Quicken, itunes library, personal photographs, and, most disastrously, the journal of weekly entries over the first two years of my son's life. I'm pretty well crushed by the loss of this one. So the $1,000 investment to send it to a clean-room recovery service is looking more and more reasonable, though it may not happen in this fiscal year!
Lesson: you can't back up too much, too often, too soon. I will definitely not make this mistake again. I now have two external harddrives and I'm buying a fire-proof box this month.
I had a very nice day in Louisville yesterday - it really is a cool little city - with Steven, atour of hiw awesome new house, and a great dinner with his family and friends followed by delicious ice cream and the fun of watching his 16-month-old daughter sear yummy ice cream all over herself and everything within reach. She's a total doll! I'm commited to doing the Kentucky GSA summer architecture program for 2007, which is what yesterday's visit to Louisville was about.
Gosh this entry has gotten long! Off to make some banana bread! Later all and I hope to be more present and in better spirits this week.
re: myriam, the SoCal public is like an ostrich with their heads in the sand when it comes to 'native' versus acclimated plants. everything grows there, so there is not attempt to think about what or why you plant something versus another species. lets throw downs some papyrus, five birds-of-paradise, a tree-fern, a few jacarandas, bannana trees, palms galore, a few citrus trees, and while your at it, some persimon and pomegranite bushes too. (from: northern africa, southern africa, australia, south america, asia, everywhere else but Cali, persia and persia).
this is a 'california' garden as defined by the real estate listings. No live oak, coastal scrub, yuccas, or anything that remotely grew here before the anglo swindle of Cali from Mexico.
Ok, there are some smart gardeners and horticulturalists digging around socal, but show me a landscape architect who is an advocate of native plants and I'll shit in my pants. (there are none - the best sources are Rana Creek Nursery and the CA Native Plant Society). Every other city seems to have a few practices that specialize in and love their local flora, but not Los Angeles or San Diego. I blame the landscape arch schools of socal for this incompetence.
Hmmm, now that I'm no longer in LA (and missing it?), i can let my pent up frustration out... (sigh)
Yesterday took a drive up to my wife's mom & grandma's 100 mile north of Mpls. Got to see pretty colored leaves swaying in the wind- the joy of Autumn! forgot the camera so you'll just have to imagine the yellows, oranges, and reds for mile after mile....
The got treated to dinner at cassidy's in hinkley MN- with their great 'salad bar' buffet- all you can eat for $6.95. really wish I had my camera to add a pic of the salad bar to the food porn thread.
glad to hear things are improving on the hardware front LB. and wise advice on the importance of proper backing up.
treekiller, i'm an big gardener and a huge advocate of native plants and drought tolerant plants. i also look for plant that give all year round and care less about it's flower since that is usually a short lived moment in the cycle of a plant. also finding plants that die back well is key. it means i don't have to get out there right away to clean up and it allow the plant to keep on giving even after the plant has died.
treekiller- I'm going through this with the landscape designer my office consults with right now. They say, "But we don't want a bland landscape, we want some color." To which I respond, "HAven't you ever heard of wildflowers? How about some poppies? Seaside dasies? Some toyon for the winter?" It's really disappointing to see that even those who get paid to work with plants have such a limited, sterotype-based view of native plants.
e- word! if there were only more gardeners like you. Do you do any water harvesting? moss farming? post some pics please...
there was a recent study that showed that people with drought tolerant plants in their gardens tended to water more, versus people with your typical lawn-n-shrubs!!! the researchers found that most people didn't want dormant plants no matter what the season, so kept on standing there with the hose...
The infrastructure thread was lingering at the very bottom of the page (and now on page two) for the first time since it was started - so I debated resurrecting it with a new comment or decided to let it rest - hence the r.i.p.
Yorick was a dead jester in hamlet, his skull was eulogized 'alas poor yorick'... that leads up to the famous 'to be or not to be' monologue.
got it. i thought there were a lot of questions being raised and answered by some of you guys who had a pretty good angle on urban design issues. but i thought the original opening was pretty dead end by a paternal jerk off. might as well be a skull.
true story;
tina just told me she saw an old neighbor of her's in bob's grocery store and she had a four years old daughter with her named 'drama'.
no, the parents are not actors or drama teachers, i am told.
i thought it was a little stressful name for a child, which is likely to become dramatic later on in her life.
problem could be even larger if the family name was 'queen'.
Or, what if the child named "Drama" went on to become an actuary? There was a chapter that started off like that in "Freakonomics"....it was a story of a guy who had named his first son "Winner" and his other son "Loser"......Winner went on to become a drug addict and a convict, while Loser (called "Lou" by most of his friends) went on to become successful and own his own business or something. PS, their last name was something pretty benign, like Williams or Cooper, etc.
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the tees are really, really bad. hmm, let me find a generic typeface, type out phases, and slap em on tees, and call em cool. not.
myriam, I would send her a short response, something along the lines of...
*clear throat, remove nose, put on myriam voice*
"thanks for offering to take some pictures for me! If it's not too much trouble, i would like to come by and set up a few shots while work is still being done..." <---maybe make it sound like you want some "in progress" images... she's probably just assuming that you would prefer to have magazine-ish images (read: staged).
best of luck...
...
almost 5, I'm outta hear! WOOHOO! put that on a t-shirt, bitch!
AP - are you in london per your school blog or back in florida???? i'm so confused!!!
Myriam- chase after the in progress shots angle. You can also tell the nice lady that you wanted to check up on the quality of the work that the contractor has done, since before you leave, you'd like the nice lady to have a perfect project...
e, I'm sorry to hear you aren't well. GET BETTER!
thx straw. just have a few beers for me. that will make me feel a lot better. a few brewers to try that make some good beer: three floyd's out of indiana, pizza port does some interesting stuff, and i love southampton's beers. i believe southampton's grand cru won awards in 2001 and 2005 at the GABF. hair of the dog is a more well-known brewer that always does good stuff too. i would seek out at least the first three i mentioned. enjoy.
in Florida. I'm using the blog as a retroactive journal...I typically record each day, one way or another, in my sketchbook. The plan is to go through the trip, one day at a time, from London to Barcelona to the Netherlands... So far I've only made it to Day 2!
here's a link to the introduction to this series: In Retrospect
AP, as much as I'm enjoying your trip photos so far, I have to say that the ones of London only serve to remind me of how much I thoroughly detest London!
...although the pictures themselves are pretty, of course. Keep 'em coming! Git R Done!
Also, my poor neglected postcard collection is wishing I had sent you my address.
myriam,
i also think your former client assumes you want finished photos..
which in her mind is a perfect interior ala architectural digest.
i'd just wait a couple weeks and call/write again a few days in
advance of wanting to go over there...just say you'll be in the area
and want to stop by just to see how things are going..if it's still a
job site it might even be easier since your client won't feel as though
your walking around her house.
on the t shirt website...did anyone notice the "corb papa" design
is available on a thong? what's a girl sayin with corb underwear?
or is it supposed to be a gift? just seems as though it's creepy.
what's a girl sayin with papa on her thong? creepy indeed.
m....why the heck would she care if you shot some of work in progress....seems like a perfectly normal request if your doing
construction observation. Your recording the progress of the work.
You could always have a bottle of wine....just to let her know you would like to have her enjoy it upon completion of the project.
AP- thanks for the clarification- I though you had a twin running around the streets of london as you were slaving over your desk...
So does this mean you've graduated, or does FIU make you do a co-op semester or two?
E- those beers sound good! it's finally getting cool enough that my bourbon collection is looking mighty temping- no more cold brewskis for me till it warms up!
ah but treekiller, as the weather cools, you focus on different beers that will warm the belly. think imperial stouts [a stout bigger and bolder than your average stout] and barleywines. not to missed are two barleywine festival: the toranado barleywine festival in san francisco and the hard liver barleywine fest [named by yours truly] in seattle.
on to bourbons, whachu drinking? my fave right now is the 20yr old pappy wan winkle.
e- since I'm between jobs right now and in the pour house, I'm nursing a bottle of Knob Creek... but I have been known to enjoy life with basil hayden, elijah craig, buffalo trace, jefferson reserve, even williams, and woodford. Though this is just a start, I have yet to meet a single barrel I don't like, even gentleman's jack. The refinery tour at JD's was fun!
I have a wicked receipe for apple pie with green lable jack...
Bottom's UP!
forgot to include bookers & blandons. An eye opening list of the available whiskies shows how much I'm missing...
As long as we're on topic, I had a revelation this morning. See, I went out to a block party AND an 80's party at bar last night and I had some alcohol. I had a little vodka but mostly Guinness, because it never gives me hangovers and I was scheduled to run this morning at 8:30 am. Well I woke up this morning at 7:30, and damn, I felt great. I wasn't hungover or hungry, and I ran the fastest quarter mile I've ever run, too.
Moral of this story? Guinness is the perfect food/drink. Most of you probably knew this already but now I'm allowed to include it in my "runner's diet" and I'm positively thrilled.
doubly important while drinking is to stay hydrated and stay away from the sugary fruity drinks.
i ran into this video. does anybody know who did the soundtrack? great poetry. read very much like robert smith of cure. pretty good fashion show too. prada 06/07
SLEEPER IN METROPOLIS by ANNE CLARK
ROUGH TRADE (C) 1983
I spent all morning working on a tedious, delicate, and (I thought) beautiful pen+ink drawing. When my boyfriend sees it, his reaction was, "What is it?".
I am so fucking depressed, I feel like giving up. I am obviously crap, and additionally have no taste whatsoever if I can be really happy with a piece and have it garner that reaction.
hey thanks a lot myriam.
rationalist, you can't expect people to understand or like what you do at all times.
there are gonna be people who are not going to like or get what you do. it is normal and doesn't really mean your work is bad.
yep, what orhan said. you will never make everyone happy.
It wasn't really a 'get it' or 'not get it' sort of thing. It was just trees. An excercise in shading, layering, simplicity, a happy little sketch where I felt like I was on to something style/technique-wise. I'm not sure there's anything to 'not get' about it.... Just want to curl up in bed and bawl. I know that's bad, but I'm used to be able to tell when something I've done is a hit or a miss, and it's really disturbing to have been so wrong.
myriam, I'm not a huge fan of London either, but this particular visit was great, especially because the weather was so beautiful...as for postcards, I was hoping for a better turnout, but since dubK and lb were the only ones to respond, I just sent them a few each.
treekiller, I have a 4 year pre-pro degree (B.Design in Architecture, April '05) from the University of Florida (not FIU)...no co-op, but after taking 8 straight studios and the accompanying courses, I wanted to marinate in it for a while before going to grad school.
rationalista, if your boyfriend can't tell that that's a tree, give him a good smack on the head. ;-)
very nice! this can get you into an MLA program...
gotta love all the aussie flora that most people think is native to Cali- so now I gotta figure out which Eucalyptus variety it is...
AP- take your time... I enjoyed my 7 year hiatus between undergrad (4 yr-BS arch) and my grad work. So congrats on escaping the first part of college!!! Good luck with Linkedin for expanding your professional horizons.
(ps other 'nectors, I'll send out invites to join the networking game if you drop me an email)
It's a eucalyptus tree.
oh shit, treekiller already named it... oh well. see rationalist it is easy to tell what the drawing is of! your bf was just being an ass.
do californians think eucalyptus are native? i thought everyone knew they were australian! ...that's what the koalas eat, sez the koala guy at the san diego wild animal park. the only native tree in south orange county that i know of is the scrub oak, right? or are there others? man i love trees.
Feel better, rationalist! At least you weren't the poor guy who drew this--NO ONE knew what it was!
do people get stoned (like koala bears) if they eat eucalyptus?
that, dear myriam, is quite clearly a snake with an elephant in its' belly
;-)...
We used to chew eucalyptus leaves to freshen our breath. Unfortunately, no stoning. I think they are native to Africa, too, or maybe they were just planted there? Hmm.
A lot of people do lump them in with native plants here because they grow so well. I'm of the opinion that we need to import some koalas to get rid of the mess they make.
Now that I've had a night to think it over, I realize that he's never really been into art. The only artists I know that he likes are Dali and the guy who illustrated 'Where the Wild Things Are'. He probably didn't even realize that they're right outside our kitchen window, because I didn't put the crappy stucco wall with nail-on windows behind them. In the interest of preserving my self-esteem, I don't think I'm going to show him any more work.
rationalist, when I showed my husband my award-winning manifesto entry, his response was a grunt. Some days he just doesn't have the energy to comment on my art/work because he's been talking art all day with his students. And god knows I'm the same way with him sometimes. Your tree drawing is lovely and if your man had really "looked" there is no way he would have missed it. Don't beat yourself up over his visual laziness.
My computer is finally somewhat back and I am slowly recovering from the trauma of it all. Still no wireless internet, as every tech person I talk to says a mac and a pc can't share the same airport but of course I know that's BS because thats' the setup I've had for the last year at both my home and my office! I just need to figure out how to do it.
Also, while I thought the weekly backup to an external harddrive was capturing my entire c-drive, it wasn't: it was only saving my documents folder. So while I have all my business-related stuff, thank god, I lost all my Quicken, itunes library, personal photographs, and, most disastrously, the journal of weekly entries over the first two years of my son's life. I'm pretty well crushed by the loss of this one. So the $1,000 investment to send it to a clean-room recovery service is looking more and more reasonable, though it may not happen in this fiscal year!
Lesson: you can't back up too much, too often, too soon. I will definitely not make this mistake again. I now have two external harddrives and I'm buying a fire-proof box this month.
I had a very nice day in Louisville yesterday - it really is a cool little city - with Steven, atour of hiw awesome new house, and a great dinner with his family and friends followed by delicious ice cream and the fun of watching his 16-month-old daughter sear yummy ice cream all over herself and everything within reach. She's a total doll! I'm commited to doing the Kentucky GSA summer architecture program for 2007, which is what yesterday's visit to Louisville was about.
Gosh this entry has gotten long! Off to make some banana bread! Later all and I hope to be more present and in better spirits this week.
Oh and BTW, per your question, jump, I'm giving Firefox a try. So far so good.
YEAH! - LB has HDrive again!
re: myriam, the SoCal public is like an ostrich with their heads in the sand when it comes to 'native' versus acclimated plants. everything grows there, so there is not attempt to think about what or why you plant something versus another species. lets throw downs some papyrus, five birds-of-paradise, a tree-fern, a few jacarandas, bannana trees, palms galore, a few citrus trees, and while your at it, some persimon and pomegranite bushes too. (from: northern africa, southern africa, australia, south america, asia, everywhere else but Cali, persia and persia).
this is a 'california' garden as defined by the real estate listings. No live oak, coastal scrub, yuccas, or anything that remotely grew here before the anglo swindle of Cali from Mexico.
Ok, there are some smart gardeners and horticulturalists digging around socal, but show me a landscape architect who is an advocate of native plants and I'll shit in my pants. (there are none - the best sources are Rana Creek Nursery and the CA Native Plant Society). Every other city seems to have a few practices that specialize in and love their local flora, but not Los Angeles or San Diego. I blame the landscape arch schools of socal for this incompetence.
Hmmm, now that I'm no longer in LA (and missing it?), i can let my pent up frustration out... (sigh)
Yesterday took a drive up to my wife's mom & grandma's 100 mile north of Mpls. Got to see pretty colored leaves swaying in the wind- the joy of Autumn! forgot the camera so you'll just have to imagine the yellows, oranges, and reds for mile after mile....
The got treated to dinner at cassidy's in hinkley MN- with their great 'salad bar' buffet- all you can eat for $6.95. really wish I had my camera to add a pic of the salad bar to the food porn thread.
guess it's time to let the 'infrastructure vs' thread die.
RIP!
Yorick, I knew you well....
glad to hear things are improving on the hardware front LB. and wise advice on the importance of proper backing up.
treekiller, i'm an big gardener and a huge advocate of native plants and drought tolerant plants. i also look for plant that give all year round and care less about it's flower since that is usually a short lived moment in the cycle of a plant. also finding plants that die back well is key. it means i don't have to get out there right away to clean up and it allow the plant to keep on giving even after the plant has died.
treekiller- I'm going through this with the landscape designer my office consults with right now. They say, "But we don't want a bland landscape, we want some color." To which I respond, "HAven't you ever heard of wildflowers? How about some poppies? Seaside dasies? Some toyon for the winter?" It's really disappointing to see that even those who get paid to work with plants have such a limited, sterotype-based view of native plants.
e- word! if there were only more gardeners like you. Do you do any water harvesting? moss farming? post some pics please...
there was a recent study that showed that people with drought tolerant plants in their gardens tended to water more, versus people with your typical lawn-n-shrubs!!! the researchers found that most people didn't want dormant plants no matter what the season, so kept on standing there with the hose...
treekiller, why did you say the infrastructure vs. thread rip? who is yorick?
Abra-
The infrastructure thread was lingering at the very bottom of the page (and now on page two) for the first time since it was started - so I debated resurrecting it with a new comment or decided to let it rest - hence the r.i.p.
Yorick was a dead jester in hamlet, his skull was eulogized 'alas poor yorick'... that leads up to the famous 'to be or not to be' monologue.
got it. i thought there were a lot of questions being raised and answered by some of you guys who had a pretty good angle on urban design issues. but i thought the original opening was pretty dead end by a paternal jerk off. might as well be a skull.
some of you guys=steven, treekiller, jump.
re elect VADO.....
true story;
tina just told me she saw an old neighbor of her's in bob's grocery store and she had a four years old daughter with her named 'drama'.
no, the parents are not actors or drama teachers, i am told.
i thought it was a little stressful name for a child, which is likely to become dramatic later on in her life.
problem could be even larger if the family name was 'queen'.
-abradramacadabra
Or, what if the child named "Drama" went on to become an actuary? There was a chapter that started off like that in "Freakonomics"....it was a story of a guy who had named his first son "Winner" and his other son "Loser"......Winner went on to become a drug addict and a convict, while Loser (called "Lou" by most of his friends) went on to become successful and own his own business or something. PS, their last name was something pretty benign, like Williams or Cooper, etc.
Ha ha Loser Williams. A.K.A. Lou from accounting.
Or what if Drama was really apathetic?
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