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    Mark_M Apr 10 '07 10

    Have any of you ever colored on Vellum? I mean thorough rendering with colored pencil. Do I color on the top or underside? Would prisma color markers be better? I have my sections down on vellum but I don't want to mess up. I tried some practice runs on scrap vellum but I cant get the deep tones I want without hammering my colored pencil into the vellum. Is there a better method? Where are all the old skool renderers out there? I want to photoshop render them but the directions specifically ask for hand render. I don't mind the work but I want it to look "sexy."

     

     
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    • Arnaud M.
      Apr 10, 07 9:31 pm

      I would go for prismacolor-type markers on vellum. After a few layer you'll have the deep tones your looking for, although vellum will still look lighter than white paper. The trick with prismacolor is to start with light tone and go increasingly darker. Doing such, you'll have more control over where you want to put shadows and darker tones. I wouldn't use more than 2 or 3 different colors, with a few different tones for it.

      Also, start by doing all your large flat surfaces with light colors and then add depth by adding the darker tones.

      If you do all your renderings at the same time, the overall stuff will look more coherent than if you do it one after the other.

      Hope that helps. Good luck.

      will gallowaywill galloway
      Apr 11, 07 3:18 am

      i was never satisified with coloring the back of vellum, so colored with pencil crayon on the front. looking back that was not really very brilliant either. maybe this is the time to play with alternative rendering techniques...ie, in my first office we sometimes glued translucent colored sheets onto the drawings (i can't recall if it was front or back), and often used zipatone, which looked pretty sharp...

      if i were given an assignment now that required this approach to rendering i think i would play with collaged images, paint, whatever, to get a good effect and forget about the medium as a restriction...one thing you might try is to scan the drawing, render it in photoshop, make your own fill patterns to scale, etc, and glue the bto the bits to teh backside...basically, play with the medium and how it works with others... bring in the computer if you feel it works better, leave it out if it don't. the rules are only there so you will know where to break them. doing that with flair is, of course, the hard part.

      +i
      Apr 11, 07 9:48 am

      we were given a vellum + rendering project "back in the day"... it required a lot of muscle to get those dark colors out of colored pencil. i used a special kind of "soft" colored pencil- but it still required elbow grease. i dont know if there is really anyway around that part

      as for prismacolors--- i once learned a good technique from a kid who got into architecture school because his graffiti was so damn good--- prismacolors are a lot like spray in that you can blend and continuously drop colors ontop to get deeper and more dimensional effects- although they can become muddy if you are not careful. if you do use prismacolors, get a blender - the clear prisma marker which will soak up and blend around... in fact you might want to get two so you can have one for light and one for dark. prismas can be beautiful- just like graffiti- if done correctly. if not, it just looks like a tag.

      David CuthbertDavid Cuthbert
      Apr 11, 07 3:50 pm

      forget the crayons grab the paint. Preferably guoache...you can paint on either side but the back will give a muted yet distinct colour.

      Nonetheless your lecturers hate you....vellum is for manual working drawings not renders.

      +i
      Apr 11, 07 3:52 pm

      agreed with architechnophilia- vellum is not for renderings. want some really beautiful renderings... get oriental paper (the kind with texture and fiber in it) or some water color paper.

      b3tadine[sutures]
      Apr 11, 07 4:08 pm

      i learned a couple of good techniques; use prismacolor colored pencils - or colored pencils without a waxy content, lay that color down and then use a lead holder with #2 lead, very sharp, and add your shade, shadow and texture over top of color. use the sharp point in a swirling, circular pattern and build out in a shark tooth pattern. you can get a full range of grey just using a #2 and layering on top of color.

      the other technique is to do an oil wash on vellum, really nice drawings.

      make sure that you find a vellum with a nice tooth too, really brings out the color and graphite....

      binary
      Apr 11, 07 10:59 pm

      do ink on mylar and then pop shadows with solid fill.... or mask and paint on the back side....

      Steven WardSteven Ward
      Apr 12, 07 7:24 am

      masking (like 'frisk-it'), pastels, and lots of spray fixative.

      psteiner
      Apr 12, 07 5:55 pm

      if you need to render section cuts or solid dark objects-try Black Sharpie Marker on the BACK of the vellum-nice effect. Not too dark, not too uniform...

      David CuthbertDavid Cuthbert
      Apr 12, 07 7:18 pm

      ditto on the Sharpie completely forgot about that. It gives this dimpled look for the pouche'd areas

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