...JUST A QUICK NOTE: i find HRC and her cronies to be outright liars and malcontents, somehow claiming that Obama is using the photo of him in Somali garb to generate distraction. why else does HRC and her people issue that photo to Drudge? Why? because they know he's a hatchet man for the right wing party, that's why. it's no the message, it's who's delivering the message that matters, something that HRC and her cronies don't seem to get.
and why is obama so outraged at hillary's dirty politics (issuing the photo to drudge)?
shouldn't obama's response be, 'yeah i went to africa two years ago and dressed in their traditional clothing out of respect for their leaders. so what?'
^^^I actually agree with free there. I think people who are dumb enough to actually believe obama is some jihadist plant arent going to vote for him anyway.
obama and hillary voted for the real double-layer 750 mile fence that has since been reduced to 300 miles, single-layer and looks like it's going all virtual!
and they say, 'well we voted for it with the understanding we would get comprehensive immigration reform (amnesty)'
why is the fence bad now that amnesty wasn't given?
yes it's a good idea on paper - it just doesn't work so well in reality
environmentally friendly? yes. but again, it won't greatly reduce illegal border crossings which with trash being dumped and precious foliage trampled is more harmful to the environment than the double fence
at the risk of overspending the graciousness of the TC police, I will post on this thread since others did.
free, the outcry is that Hillary is doing in a malicious manner. Also, he was criticised for not answering quickly to those type of attacks, he is showing that YES HE CAN answer malicious attacks. Free, you know that this was not done with any type of good intentions, it was meant to scare latinos in texas and jews in ohio. As other attacks she has done, it may work.
I am of the opinion that the SC racial attacks was actually what gave her CA. So these things do work and they may still do.
FINALLY
The latest Rasmussen Reports poll shows Clinton earning 48% of the Ohio Democratic Presidential Primary vote. That’s unchanged from a week ago. Barack Obama’s support has grown to 43%. That’s up from 40% last week and 38% the week before.
there should be a better system than a double fence, that just seems way too dramatic and reactionary. free, I am with you in that we need to stop illegal immigration, just not your tactics.
Hillary, if you're this discombobulated running against your democratic opponent, what makes me think you can handle Putin, Kim Jong Il or your big-pocketed donors when they say something you don't like.
As a matter of fact, the only one in this campaign so far who doesn't look like he's done much swaying in the breeze is Obama.
A fence won't stop immigration. A fence with guys in machine gun nests won't stop immigration. A bajillion dollar missle field won't stop illegal immigration.
Tough prosecution of people who hire illegal or undocumented immigrants will.
And republicans are the party of cheap labor.
When you can do that math freeper, get back to us.
and thank you, i've done the math - that's why i don't belong to a political party - democrats want the votes and republicans want the slave labor, i know
i'm 100% with you on prosecution of people hiring illegal aliens
the san diego border fence has worked at a smaller scale, let's see if we can improve conditions across the rest of the border
once again the laws are not broken, we don't have a 'broken system' just that the laws are not enforced (except for the occasional raid when bush wants to push the amnesty bill ..)
wait crowbert - the republican party believes in free labor markets, where a man or woman is free to sell their labor for whatever they want or can. Its minimum wage laws that actualy encurage and promote the bottoming out of the labor pool. Dont forget also the corrupt unions of the 50's and 60's who artificially inflated labor costs by deviating from their principles of "pay the man" to pay the benefits to the insurance providers, pension funds, las vegas hoteiers etc.
So in short I'm hoping, only by a thread, that this Barack can give the democratic limp dick party an overhaul, reinvigorate domestic mfr and productivity because in the end its all about making shit - thats the foundation of all services in the service econopmy, and I like his rehtoric. Big government created this disasterous economy and unfortunately Big Guv is the only way out. The republicans had their chance and completely made asses of the whole party. They had a blank slate, a majority and completly fucking failed, and made even bigger government that is even worse than any democratic nightmare from the 70's.
"free, the outcry is that Hillary is doing in a malicious manner. Also, he was criticised for not answering quickly to those type of attacks, he is showing that YES HE CAN answer malicious attacks. Free, you know that this was not done with any type of good intentions, it was meant to scare latinos in texas and jews in ohio. As other attacks she has done, it may work.
I am of the opinion that the SC racial attacks was actually what gave her CA. So these things do work and they may still do."
I completely agree the Clinton campaign has been bar-none the sleaziest team in this election cycle, and this is one of the more glaring episodes of it, but I think part of what elevates the Obama campaign is when it gives slightly more sophisticated responses than to flail and play victim the way she often does.
Im also not so sure california can be explained by the whole racial divisive tactic. Hill worked california hard, and did a really good job working early voting while her margins were still up there.
I meant what I wrote EvilP - cheap labor. The amount of abuses heaped upon workers to maximize profit for shareholders and owners are too numerous to mention. And the party of those shareholders is the Grand Old one.
The idea that if people are "free to pick whatever wage they think they deserve" they will be just fine is false at the low and the high end. After all, if someone's undocumented, they don't have the same labor protections (including minimum wage) we u.s. citizens have - according to the dreams of the "free labor" they should be earning wages all over the board, but does that happen? No, they get shit wages and conditions. So you're wrong that end of the spectrum.
And the other group of people who do get to choose their own wages? Well, that's really worked out for the shareholders of companies like Enron, Worldcom, and all those other (formerly) multi-million dollar company's whose CEO's played with the numbers to look good for a year or two, until they can sell their artificially inflated stock and take their golden parachute while the rest of the company implodes like a bad souffle. Lookin' good.
You want to do good by immigrants: Streamline the naturalization and temporary worker process. Prosecute the companies who make a habit of hiring the undocumented (from the biggest first to smallest last). That's really all you need to do to bring this under control.
Except if you want a cheap, marginalized workforce - then the status quo is what you want.
This country is never going to become anything close to resembling the socialist (more or less) countries of the EU. We need a reasonable amount of rules which promote opportunity for all.
But, to go back to the thread (got waylaid by work, durnit) Hillary's shrill and nasty temper tantrums have made it clear that she does not have the stuff to be a good president. Obama takes a lickin' & Keeps on Tickin'.
Crowbert - I'd love for you to come to dinner with some of my wall street relatives in NYC or some of the big time corporate execs who live in my neighborhood in Chicago. What you will find, without fail, is they are big business and bleed democrat blue. In their worldview there are the inteligent, enlightened and rewarded, and the less fortunate. There is no middle ground with these people. This should scare you. You will be hard pressed to find republicans in corporate boardrooms of fortune 500 companies contrary to popular myth. Your more likely to find them in small and medium sized businesses, or tradesmen and independant contractors - you know the people who get shit done, pay the fucking taxes and employ 90% of America. They need help, their own party has hung them out to dry with Connecticut Blueblood democrat pretending to be a Texas Republican in the white house. Folks - get a good look at Bush - the most successfull Liberal Democrat at pushing the facist agenda to date.
EVIL.....WE HAVE PLENTY OF THOSE CONNECTICUT BLUE BLOOD DEMOCRATS WE WILL CLAIM, BUT HE IS NOT ONE OF THEM. WE HAVE
DODD, LIEBERMAN (ALMOST A DEMOCRAT), AND A SLEW OF OTHERS
DOING THE DEMOCRAT DANCE. CONNECTICUT HAS NO CLAIM ON HIM, SINCE THEY TOSSED HIM OUT WITH THE DISH WATER.
EvilP - If you consider Bush a socialist Democrat, I'm pretty sure everyone you know other than you is a socialist democrat by that definition. I don't think I would have a problem finding Republicans (what average people call republicans anyway) in boardrooms.
But then again, a lot of people call themselves "middle class" - even those making $250K plus a year. Americans are funny that way.
And Warren Buffet is, essentially, the exception that proves the rule. He is for:
Estate Tax
A more progressive income tax
Fair labor laws and standards
Universal Health Care (Health Care makes a whole lot of fiscal sense unless you're a drug company or a health insurance agency)
Strengthening of sensible regulation in areas of public health and welfare (FDA, EPA...)
In short, he's your kinda guy EvilP.
If all the people in the boardrooms across this nation are ready for the dawning of socialist america, then where the fruck is it? These guys have billions of dollars to spend and - being socialists - have no qualms about pushing the state into regulating everyone's lives. I'm waiting.
But who are these guys going to vote for if it comes down to McCain or Obama? At least this time its the Republican's turn to vote for the lesser of two evils...
She has been so discombobulated that she has ignored some truisms of politics that her husband understands well: Sunny beats gloomy. Consistency beats flipping. Bedazzling beats begrudging. Confidence beats whining...
...The fact that Obama is exceptionally easy in his skin has made Hillary almost jump out of hers. She can’t turn on her own charm and wit because she can’t get beyond what she sees as the deep injustice of Obama not waiting his turn. Her sunshine-colored jackets on the trail hardly disguise the fact that she’s pea-green with envy.
After saying she found her “voice” in New Hampshire, she has turned into Sybil. We’ve had Experienced Hillary, Soft Hillary, Hard Hillary, Misty Hillary, Sarcastic Hillary, Joined-at-the-Hip-to-Bill Hillary, Her-Own-Person-Who-Just-Happens-to-Be-Married-to-a-Former-President Hillary, It’s-My-Turn Hillary, Cuddly Hillary, Let’s-Get-Down-in-the-Dirt-and-Fight-Like-Dogs Hillary...
I was staying away from the political threads, but I do think this one needs a little perspective. Let me preface by saying that Hillary is probably toast, but this Obama worship is getting kind of sickening. I will most likely vote for him, but man, this stuff is just too much. I mean, now he's actually being written up as the true woman candidate...give me a f'ing break.
Yes, Clinton's bringing up the SNL skit was lame, but those skits always have a ring of truth, usually picking up on a general feeling in mass culture. This kind of foot kissing and hallelujahing doesn't really make for a solid political discussion - and, yes, I know people get excited about Obama and want to show it, but come on.
The last time this level of rock-star status was thrown at a candidate it was for Robert Kennedy: as good as Obama might be, he ain't no Robert Kennedy, who I'm convinced would have been one of the best Presidents this country ever had...not sure I can say that about Obama, not yet.
Wow, that was a great piece by Dowd. I didn't watch the debate....I have a problem watching people embarrass themselves and that's what I feel like Hillary is doing at this point, embarrassing herself and her supporters. I never thought I'd say this, but here's to Texas....let's hope Tuesday settles this thing once and for all.
A huge Ellen suddenly materialized behind Hillary on a giant screen, interrupting her speech Monday night at a fund-raiser at George Washington University in Washington.
What better way for a desperate Hillary to try and stop her rival from running off with all her women supporters than to have a cozy satellite chat with a famous daytime talk-show host who isn’t supporting Obama?
“Will you put a ban on glitter?” Ellen demanded.
Diplomatically, Hillary said that schoolchildren needed it for special projects, but maybe she could ban it for anyone over 12.
Certainly, Hillary understands the perils of glitter. The coda of her campaign has been a primal scream against the golden child of Chicago, a clanging and sometimes churlish warning that “all that glitters is not gold.”
David Brody, the Christian Broadcasting Network correspondent whose interview with Hillary aired Tuesday, said the senator seemed “dumbfounded” by the Obama sensation.
She has been so discombobulated that she has ignored some truisms of politics that her husband understands well: Sunny beats gloomy. Consistency beats flipping. Bedazzling beats begrudging. Confidence beats whining.
Experience does not beat excitement, though, or Nixon would have been president the first time around, Poppy Bush would have had a second term and President Gore would have stopped the earth from melting by now.
Voters gravitate toward the presidential candidates who seem more comfortable in their skin. J.F.K. and Reagan seemed exceptionally comfortable. So did Bill Clinton and W., who both showed that comfort can be an illusion of sorts, masking deep insecurities.
The fact that Obama is exceptionally easy in his skin has made Hillary almost jump out of hers. She can’t turn on her own charm and wit because she can’t get beyond what she sees as the deep injustice of Obama not waiting his turn. Her sunshine-colored jackets on the trail hardly disguise the fact that she’s pea-green with envy.
After saying she found her “voice” in New Hampshire, she has turned into Sybil. We’ve had Experienced Hillary, Soft Hillary, Hard Hillary, Misty Hillary, Sarcastic Hillary, Joined-at-the-Hip-to-Bill Hillary, Her-Own-Person-Who-Just-Happens-to-Be-Married-to-a-Former-President Hillary, It’s-My-Turn Hillary, Cuddly Hillary, Let’s-Get-Down-in-the-Dirt-and-Fight-Like-Dogs Hillary.
Just as in the White House, when her cascading images and hairstyles became dizzying and unsettling, suggesting that the first lady woke up every day struggling to create a persona, now she seems to think there is a political solution to her problem. If she can only change this or that about her persona, or tear down this or that about Obama’s. But the whirlwind of changes and charges gets wearing.
By threatening to throw the kitchen sink at Obama, the Clinton campaign simply confirmed the fact that they might be going down the drain.
Hillary and her aides urged reporters to learn from the “Saturday Night Live” skit about journalists having crushes on Obama.
“Maybe we should ask Barack if he’s comfortable and needs another pillow,” she said tartly in the debate here Tuesday night. She peevishly and pointlessly complained about getting the first question too often, implying that the moderators of MSNBC — a channel her campaign has complained has been sexist — are giving Obama an easy ride.
Beating on the press is the lamest thing you can do. It is only because of the utter open-mindedness of the press that Hillary can lose 11 contests in a row and still be treated as a contender.
Hillary and her top aides could not say categorically that her campaign had not been the source on the Drudge Report, as Matt Drudge claimed, for a picture of Obama in African native garb that the mean-spirited hope will conjure up a Muslim Manchurian candidate vibe.
At a rally on Sunday, she tried sarcasm about Obama, talking about how “celestial choirs” singing and magic wands waving won’t get everybody together to “do the right thing.”
With David Brody, Hillary evoked the specter of a scary Kool-Aid cult. “I think that there is a certain phenomenon associated with his candidacy, and I am really struck by that because it is very much about him and his personality and his presentation,” she said, adding that “it dangerously oversimplifies the complexity of the problems we face, the challenge of navigating our country through some difficult uncharted waters. We are a nation at war. That seems to be forgotten.”
Actually it’s not forgotten. It’s a hard sell for Hillary to say that she is the only one capable of leading this country in a war when she helped in leading the country into that war. Or to paraphrase Obama from the debate here, the one who drives the bus into the ditch can’t drive it out.
Obama is like the Glenn Murcutt of politicians. He's a regular guy doing extraordinary things.
I don't see the cult. i see a very appealing candidate after some real duds.
That's right, free, and anyone who thinks that Obama is being treated like a regular guy needs to get their lips just slightly away from his behind. Treated like the second coming is more like it (by his supporters and now, increasingly, by the press).
VOTE OBAMA
...JUST A QUICK NOTE: i find HRC and her cronies to be outright liars and malcontents, somehow claiming that Obama is using the photo of him in Somali garb to generate distraction. why else does HRC and her people issue that photo to Drudge? Why? because they know he's a hatchet man for the right wing party, that's why. it's no the message, it's who's delivering the message that matters, something that HRC and her cronies don't seem to get.
They're Republican red, and true blue to Obama
no Eli,
i'm non partisan not-a-color, sycophantic to no one
and why is obama so outraged at hillary's dirty politics (issuing the photo to drudge)?
shouldn't obama's response be, 'yeah i went to africa two years ago and dressed in their traditional clothing out of respect for their leaders. so what?'
they both look bad here
In more Positive news..
Hey free what are your thoughts on the 'virtual fence'?
should make for a good debate ohio!
go buckeyes!!
a virtual fence does a good job at stopping virtual illegal aliens
^^^I actually agree with free there. I think people who are dumb enough to actually believe obama is some jihadist plant arent going to vote for him anyway.
obama and hillary voted for the real double-layer 750 mile fence that has since been reduced to 300 miles, single-layer and looks like it's going all virtual!
and they say, 'well we voted for it with the understanding we would get comprehensive immigration reform (amnesty)'
why is the fence bad now that amnesty wasn't given?
Wait but really,.. Seems more efficient eh? Just deploy immigration agents where the people are coming across? Or are they just overwhelmed?
Not to mention more environmentally friendly?
yes it's a good idea on paper - it just doesn't work so well in reality
environmentally friendly? yes. but again, it won't greatly reduce illegal border crossings which with trash being dumped and precious foliage trampled is more harmful to the environment than the double fence
at the risk of overspending the graciousness of the TC police, I will post on this thread since others did.
free, the outcry is that Hillary is doing in a malicious manner. Also, he was criticised for not answering quickly to those type of attacks, he is showing that YES HE CAN answer malicious attacks. Free, you know that this was not done with any type of good intentions, it was meant to scare latinos in texas and jews in ohio. As other attacks she has done, it may work.
I am of the opinion that the SC racial attacks was actually what gave her CA. So these things do work and they may still do.
FINALLY
The latest Rasmussen Reports poll shows Clinton earning 48% of the Ohio Democratic Presidential Primary vote. That’s unchanged from a week ago. Barack Obama’s support has grown to 43%. That’s up from 40% last week and 38% the week before.
http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/ohio/ohio_democratic_presidential_primary
Hillary's lead is almost gone (only 5 points now), and Obama is now winning in TX, watch for sparks tonight.
again i ask the question, both hillary and barack voted for the 750 mile, double layer border fence two years ago.
why is the fence bad now that amnesty wasn't given?
there should be a better system than a double fence, that just seems way too dramatic and reactionary. free, I am with you in that we need to stop illegal immigration, just not your tactics.
because it was a political compromise
Hillary, if you're this discombobulated running against your democratic opponent, what makes me think you can handle Putin, Kim Jong Il or your big-pocketed donors when they say something you don't like.
As a matter of fact, the only one in this campaign so far who doesn't look like he's done much swaying in the breeze is Obama.
A fence won't stop immigration. A fence with guys in machine gun nests won't stop immigration. A bajillion dollar missle field won't stop illegal immigration.
Tough prosecution of people who hire illegal or undocumented immigrants will.
And republicans are the party of cheap labor.
When you can do that math freeper, get back to us.
why do you call me freeper?
and thank you, i've done the math - that's why i don't belong to a political party - democrats want the votes and republicans want the slave labor, i know
i'm 100% with you on prosecution of people hiring illegal aliens
the san diego border fence has worked at a smaller scale, let's see if we can improve conditions across the rest of the border
once again the laws are not broken, we don't have a 'broken system' just that the laws are not enforced (except for the occasional raid when bush wants to push the amnesty bill ..)
wait crowbert - the republican party believes in free labor markets, where a man or woman is free to sell their labor for whatever they want or can. Its minimum wage laws that actualy encurage and promote the bottoming out of the labor pool. Dont forget also the corrupt unions of the 50's and 60's who artificially inflated labor costs by deviating from their principles of "pay the man" to pay the benefits to the insurance providers, pension funds, las vegas hoteiers etc.
So in short I'm hoping, only by a thread, that this Barack can give the democratic limp dick party an overhaul, reinvigorate domestic mfr and productivity because in the end its all about making shit - thats the foundation of all services in the service econopmy, and I like his rehtoric. Big government created this disasterous economy and unfortunately Big Guv is the only way out. The republicans had their chance and completely made asses of the whole party. They had a blank slate, a majority and completly fucking failed, and made even bigger government that is even worse than any democratic nightmare from the 70's.
"free, the outcry is that Hillary is doing in a malicious manner. Also, he was criticised for not answering quickly to those type of attacks, he is showing that YES HE CAN answer malicious attacks. Free, you know that this was not done with any type of good intentions, it was meant to scare latinos in texas and jews in ohio. As other attacks she has done, it may work.
I am of the opinion that the SC racial attacks was actually what gave her CA. So these things do work and they may still do."
I completely agree the Clinton campaign has been bar-none the sleaziest team in this election cycle, and this is one of the more glaring episodes of it, but I think part of what elevates the Obama campaign is when it gives slightly more sophisticated responses than to flail and play victim the way she often does.
Im also not so sure california can be explained by the whole racial divisive tactic. Hill worked california hard, and did a really good job working early voting while her margins were still up there.
free labor markets. . .free labor. . .not too much of a difference there, hmm. . .?
oe - we can find common ground. first radiohead, now this ^
I meant what I wrote EvilP - cheap labor. The amount of abuses heaped upon workers to maximize profit for shareholders and owners are too numerous to mention. And the party of those shareholders is the Grand Old one.
The idea that if people are "free to pick whatever wage they think they deserve" they will be just fine is false at the low and the high end. After all, if someone's undocumented, they don't have the same labor protections (including minimum wage) we u.s. citizens have - according to the dreams of the "free labor" they should be earning wages all over the board, but does that happen? No, they get shit wages and conditions. So you're wrong that end of the spectrum.
And the other group of people who do get to choose their own wages? Well, that's really worked out for the shareholders of companies like Enron, Worldcom, and all those other (formerly) multi-million dollar company's whose CEO's played with the numbers to look good for a year or two, until they can sell their artificially inflated stock and take their golden parachute while the rest of the company implodes like a bad souffle. Lookin' good.
You want to do good by immigrants: Streamline the naturalization and temporary worker process. Prosecute the companies who make a habit of hiring the undocumented (from the biggest first to smallest last). That's really all you need to do to bring this under control.
Except if you want a cheap, marginalized workforce - then the status quo is what you want.
This country is never going to become anything close to resembling the socialist (more or less) countries of the EU. We need a reasonable amount of rules which promote opportunity for all.
But, to go back to the thread (got waylaid by work, durnit) Hillary's shrill and nasty temper tantrums have made it clear that she does not have the stuff to be a good president. Obama takes a lickin' & Keeps on Tickin'.
VOTOBAMA!
Crowbert - I'd love for you to come to dinner with some of my wall street relatives in NYC or some of the big time corporate execs who live in my neighborhood in Chicago. What you will find, without fail, is they are big business and bleed democrat blue. In their worldview there are the inteligent, enlightened and rewarded, and the less fortunate. There is no middle ground with these people. This should scare you. You will be hard pressed to find republicans in corporate boardrooms of fortune 500 companies contrary to popular myth. Your more likely to find them in small and medium sized businesses, or tradesmen and independant contractors - you know the people who get shit done, pay the fucking taxes and employ 90% of America. They need help, their own party has hung them out to dry with Connecticut Blueblood democrat pretending to be a Texas Republican in the white house. Folks - get a good look at Bush - the most successfull Liberal Democrat at pushing the facist agenda to date.
EVIL.....WE HAVE PLENTY OF THOSE CONNECTICUT BLUE BLOOD DEMOCRATS WE WILL CLAIM, BUT HE IS NOT ONE OF THEM. WE HAVE
DODD, LIEBERMAN (ALMOST A DEMOCRAT), AND A SLEW OF OTHERS
DOING THE DEMOCRAT DANCE. CONNECTICUT HAS NO CLAIM ON HIM, SINCE THEY TOSSED HIM OUT WITH THE DISH WATER.
so Bush is a democrat? wow... that is hillarious.
he is a bad republican, yes, but no democrat. plus those guys LOVED him just a couple of years ago.
he's east coast to the rotton core of the big bad apple folks.
don't forget that king of kings Warren Buffet is a HUGE believer of Obama, and i think that guy has made a bit of coin in his day....
I have to say this:
McCain's statements on smear tactics are the most positive political thing I have heard in a very long time:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0208/Note_to_conservatives.html
good for you Mac, I will vote against you in the general, because of the issues but appreciate your courage to run a clean campaign.
I am truly about an Obama vs. McCain race, like balsam for our collective souls, and may the best Obama win.
. . .or even basswood
EvilP - If you consider Bush a socialist Democrat, I'm pretty sure everyone you know other than you is a socialist democrat by that definition. I don't think I would have a problem finding Republicans (what average people call republicans anyway) in boardrooms.
But then again, a lot of people call themselves "middle class" - even those making $250K plus a year. Americans are funny that way.
And Warren Buffet is, essentially, the exception that proves the rule. He is for:
Estate Tax
A more progressive income tax
Fair labor laws and standards
Universal Health Care (Health Care makes a whole lot of fiscal sense unless you're a drug company or a health insurance agency)
Strengthening of sensible regulation in areas of public health and welfare (FDA, EPA...)
In short, he's your kinda guy EvilP.
If all the people in the boardrooms across this nation are ready for the dawning of socialist america, then where the fruck is it? These guys have billions of dollars to spend and - being socialists - have no qualms about pushing the state into regulating everyone's lives. I'm waiting.
But who are these guys going to vote for if it comes down to McCain or Obama? At least this time its the Republican's turn to vote for the lesser of two evils...
This debate is really good. low point of the night: Hillary whining and talking about SNL.
Strong point Obama on Pakistan, Bush followed his advice and got Al Qaedas's No 3.
From my favorite columnist;
She has been so discombobulated that she has ignored some truisms of politics that her husband understands well: Sunny beats gloomy. Consistency beats flipping. Bedazzling beats begrudging. Confidence beats whining...
...The fact that Obama is exceptionally easy in his skin has made Hillary almost jump out of hers. She can’t turn on her own charm and wit because she can’t get beyond what she sees as the deep injustice of Obama not waiting his turn. Her sunshine-colored jackets on the trail hardly disguise the fact that she’s pea-green with envy.
After saying she found her “voice” in New Hampshire, she has turned into Sybil. We’ve had Experienced Hillary, Soft Hillary, Hard Hillary, Misty Hillary, Sarcastic Hillary, Joined-at-the-Hip-to-Bill Hillary, Her-Own-Person-Who-Just-Happens-to-Be-Married-to-a-Former-President Hillary, It’s-My-Turn Hillary, Cuddly Hillary, Let’s-Get-Down-in-the-Dirt-and-Fight-Like-Dogs Hillary...
Mo Dowd For President
God, I love her...!
Great article beta.
Obama's campaign reaches the 1,000,000 donor mark:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/One_million_donors.html#comments
I hope we can put all this behind us soon, move on and debate the republicans.
Also, this election campaign seems to follow the plot of a certain TV show:
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid988327350/bclid1037705321/bctid1434027921
I didn't know that the 'Santos' character was based on Obama, but it makes sense.
I watched the debate last night at the Obama HQ and morale is very high. There was an audible WTF when Hillary made the really lame SNL reference.
You can hear the sound of desperation in Hillary's tone. It's very hard to listen to.
She should drop out and make way for a new generation of leaders.
beta, I heard that Maureen is into younger men. ;-)
Dowd hits the nail right on the head.... And the 1,000,000 donors thing is huge news.
If Obama can run the White house half as competently as he's running his campaign, we can look forward to some bright days ahead.
Molly's gone but we still have Mo, Cyn and Nina. I'd take any one of them for VP (at least). . .
I was staying away from the political threads, but I do think this one needs a little perspective. Let me preface by saying that Hillary is probably toast, but this Obama worship is getting kind of sickening. I will most likely vote for him, but man, this stuff is just too much. I mean, now he's actually being written up as the true woman candidate...give me a f'ing break.
Yes, Clinton's bringing up the SNL skit was lame, but those skits always have a ring of truth, usually picking up on a general feeling in mass culture. This kind of foot kissing and hallelujahing doesn't really make for a solid political discussion - and, yes, I know people get excited about Obama and want to show it, but come on.
The last time this level of rock-star status was thrown at a candidate it was for Robert Kennedy: as good as Obama might be, he ain't no Robert Kennedy, who I'm convinced would have been one of the best Presidents this country ever had...not sure I can say that about Obama, not yet.
ok, let the flaming begin.
FLAME-O-BAMA !!
Llyod Bentson, is that you?
Wow, that was a great piece by Dowd. I didn't watch the debate....I have a problem watching people embarrass themselves and that's what I feel like Hillary is doing at this point, embarrassing herself and her supporters. I never thought I'd say this, but here's to Texas....let's hope Tuesday settles this thing once and for all.
If Robert Kennedy had lived, George McGovern would have been
his Vice Presidential pick and we would certainly be living in a
different world today.
Dowd is a real wit and her piece is very good:
A huge Ellen suddenly materialized behind Hillary on a giant screen, interrupting her speech Monday night at a fund-raiser at George Washington University in Washington.
What better way for a desperate Hillary to try and stop her rival from running off with all her women supporters than to have a cozy satellite chat with a famous daytime talk-show host who isn’t supporting Obama?
“Will you put a ban on glitter?” Ellen demanded.
Diplomatically, Hillary said that schoolchildren needed it for special projects, but maybe she could ban it for anyone over 12.
Certainly, Hillary understands the perils of glitter. The coda of her campaign has been a primal scream against the golden child of Chicago, a clanging and sometimes churlish warning that “all that glitters is not gold.”
David Brody, the Christian Broadcasting Network correspondent whose interview with Hillary aired Tuesday, said the senator seemed “dumbfounded” by the Obama sensation.
She has been so discombobulated that she has ignored some truisms of politics that her husband understands well: Sunny beats gloomy. Consistency beats flipping. Bedazzling beats begrudging. Confidence beats whining.
Experience does not beat excitement, though, or Nixon would have been president the first time around, Poppy Bush would have had a second term and President Gore would have stopped the earth from melting by now.
Voters gravitate toward the presidential candidates who seem more comfortable in their skin. J.F.K. and Reagan seemed exceptionally comfortable. So did Bill Clinton and W., who both showed that comfort can be an illusion of sorts, masking deep insecurities.
The fact that Obama is exceptionally easy in his skin has made Hillary almost jump out of hers. She can’t turn on her own charm and wit because she can’t get beyond what she sees as the deep injustice of Obama not waiting his turn. Her sunshine-colored jackets on the trail hardly disguise the fact that she’s pea-green with envy.
After saying she found her “voice” in New Hampshire, she has turned into Sybil. We’ve had Experienced Hillary, Soft Hillary, Hard Hillary, Misty Hillary, Sarcastic Hillary, Joined-at-the-Hip-to-Bill Hillary, Her-Own-Person-Who-Just-Happens-to-Be-Married-to-a-Former-President Hillary, It’s-My-Turn Hillary, Cuddly Hillary, Let’s-Get-Down-in-the-Dirt-and-Fight-Like-Dogs Hillary.
Just as in the White House, when her cascading images and hairstyles became dizzying and unsettling, suggesting that the first lady woke up every day struggling to create a persona, now she seems to think there is a political solution to her problem. If she can only change this or that about her persona, or tear down this or that about Obama’s. But the whirlwind of changes and charges gets wearing.
By threatening to throw the kitchen sink at Obama, the Clinton campaign simply confirmed the fact that they might be going down the drain.
Hillary and her aides urged reporters to learn from the “Saturday Night Live” skit about journalists having crushes on Obama.
“Maybe we should ask Barack if he’s comfortable and needs another pillow,” she said tartly in the debate here Tuesday night. She peevishly and pointlessly complained about getting the first question too often, implying that the moderators of MSNBC — a channel her campaign has complained has been sexist — are giving Obama an easy ride.
Beating on the press is the lamest thing you can do. It is only because of the utter open-mindedness of the press that Hillary can lose 11 contests in a row and still be treated as a contender.
Hillary and her top aides could not say categorically that her campaign had not been the source on the Drudge Report, as Matt Drudge claimed, for a picture of Obama in African native garb that the mean-spirited hope will conjure up a Muslim Manchurian candidate vibe.
At a rally on Sunday, she tried sarcasm about Obama, talking about how “celestial choirs” singing and magic wands waving won’t get everybody together to “do the right thing.”
With David Brody, Hillary evoked the specter of a scary Kool-Aid cult. “I think that there is a certain phenomenon associated with his candidacy, and I am really struck by that because it is very much about him and his personality and his presentation,” she said, adding that “it dangerously oversimplifies the complexity of the problems we face, the challenge of navigating our country through some difficult uncharted waters. We are a nation at war. That seems to be forgotten.”
Actually it’s not forgotten. It’s a hard sell for Hillary to say that she is the only one capable of leading this country in a war when she helped in leading the country into that war. Or to paraphrase Obama from the debate here, the one who drives the bus into the ditch can’t drive it out.
Obama is like the Glenn Murcutt of politicians. He's a regular guy doing extraordinary things.
I don't see the cult. i see a very appealing candidate after some real duds.
yes - there would be no nixon and therefore no EPA
our environment would be ruined!
(response to snook_dude)
nobody in a cult is aware they are in a cult
That's right, free, and anyone who thinks that Obama is being treated like a regular guy needs to get their lips just slightly away from his behind. Treated like the second coming is more like it (by his supporters and now, increasingly, by the press).
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