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Can't even post a video of this clip edited from American Beauty to this feature: https://archinect.com/features...


Jul 15, 20 4:19 am  · 
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The "balkins" is strong in this one ...

Jul 15, 20 4:38 pm  · 
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eeayeeayo

Aaaargh! It was a nice 2 days or whatever, while it lasted. I'm not going to participate in any threads that get tainted by any iteration of Balkins anymore. Once he touches it I'm out. I used to think we had some responsibility to correct all his bs, for the poor innocents who come here asking newbie questions, but I think I'm underestimating the newbies and they'll figure him out for themselves in a post or two.

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proto

he's not always wrong, but, if i had an opportunity, i would vote him & his aliases off the island...no grudges, just tired of his pretend professional authority...i do have him/them on ignore for the moment

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randomised

Who?

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eeayeeayo

Balkins is "rcz1001" at the moment. He was 2 other characters the week before but those also got deleted and banned when they went anti-BLM again.

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The fact that I haven't received an email from Balkins telling me he isn't rcz1001 is a little surprising. Maybe he's decided to only send me his anti-BLM rants.

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randomised

"Who?" @eeayeeayo


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Well Colorado now has a mandatory face mask order starting today at midnight. 

Time to bust out the bedazzler (yeah I have one so what) and make my various masks fabulous

Jul 16, 20 4:57 pm  · 
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citizen

Not too fabulous, now.  Don't make the rest of us look bad.

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I make no promises.

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Non Sequitur

Do you take custom orders?

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Wood Guy

I'd like one mask and one no promises, please.


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randomised

Make sure to bedazzle some glitter in there too!

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I do take custom order however the demand for my masks is so great that we're back ordered 3 years . Oh and all masks come with glitter.

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archanonymous

Order an envelope full of glitter, get a free face mask!

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tintt

glitter is an environmental contaminant

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Non Sequitur

^small price to pay to be fabulous!

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The glitter I use in my masks is as pure as the driven snow.

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wurdan freo

is it just me or are credit union employees always rude. 4th time trying a credit union and 4th time the customer service has sucked... banks aren't much better but at least they're usually polite... WTF.... 

Jul 17, 20 1:13 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

Back in the 90s and early 2000s I had a good credit union. Haven't tried since, although they fit better within my world view compared to the big bank I use now. Customer service across the board has tanked, which is ironic considering all of the stupid tools silicon valley has developed for it over the past 15 years.

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tduds

Every interaction I've ever had with my credit union has been extremely pleasant.

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What's the old saying - if you keep running into jerks look at what those interactions have n common . . .

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wurdan freo

I thought it was pretty obvious Chad... the thing they have in common is being credit union employees... lemme guess... you used to work at a credit union...

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JLC-1

is LEED still a thing? haven't heard of it in a while

Jul 17, 20 2:49 pm  · 
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IMO ... yes and no. Yes, it is still a thing and some clients still want it, and some firms still push for it. No, in that I think it was largely a fad and there are far fewer numbers of projects getting registered. I was going to check recent numbers, but I'm not finding much, nor is the USGBC website working at the moment ... but here are some graphs using numbers current at the end of 2015 showing the sharp decline in new project registrations (source). 

Could simply be from the recession, but this was still before v4 became mandatory, and I would be surprised if there are more under v4 than there were under v2009. Anecdotally, there aren't nearly as many people pursuing LEED v4 projects ... too costly, too complicated and time-consuming, and not enough reward (in terms of payback as well as "feel goods").

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archanonymous

We are beyond LEED at this point, some clients care to get their buildings certified, some don't. Most are carbon-neutral and use all kinds of passive strategies, but don't need a checklist to tell us that.

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eeayeeayo

It depends where, and what kind of projects. LEED is mandated for some public projects in some locations. Conversely, in some states it has been specifically banned for public projects (certain materials and manufacturing associations have a lot to do with that). In some cities and states there is a set % funding incentive for achieving certain LEED certification levels on partially state-funded or city-funded projects - and clients care about LEED a lot when it's getting them 4% more state funding on a hundred-million dollar project. So if you're in a firm that does a lot of projects for which LEED is required, then obviously LEED is still a thing. And if you're not, then it might not be a thing for you.


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5839

Besides the recession, the switch to v4, and a general decrease in interest in LEED, there were some more factors in the big drop on the graph: it happens right at the time that USGBC changed some rules.

It's a chart of project registrations - not projects that ultimately got certified or even built. There was a period of time during which there were huge numbers of fake projects being registered. For a few years getting LEED-accredited required prior documented experience working on registered LEED projects. At that time LEED was a very popular credential, especially among foreign architects and companies trying to get an edge on doing business in the US - but it was difficult for them to satisfy that experience requirement to test. So naturally some enterprising entrepreneurs started registering big piles of imaginary projects, and then selling the opportunity to get "experience" working on LEED credits for those imaginary projects. They submitted the info for those credits so they'd be verified - but of course never build the projects. When the rules changed to no longer require LEED experience prior to testing, that whole industry collapsed and the number of projects getting registered decreased.

The rules also cracked down on what could be registered and certified as a building. Prior to that some people were doing things like splitting the project into many separately-registered pieces, in order to qualify for more funding incentives and such. Some projects were even registering their job trailers as independent LEED projects (and some job trailers did ultimately get LEED certified!) When rules were added to prevent those "projects", the number of projects registered dropped some more.

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5839, that's fascinating ... thanks. 

Because I'm curious and USGBC's site is back online, I did my own rough number graphing. I looked at all projects in the US (no filtering for commercial or residential or rating system) and charted the number of project registrations and certifications by year for as many years as usgbc.org/projects had data. Registrations follows the same steep up and down peaking at 2009 as above, but additional peaks at 2013 and 2016 (this I'm sure was from sun-setting v2009 in 2016). For some reason it wasn't showing any project registrations prior to 2006.

Certifications is more reflective of which projects actually reach the finish line though, and it has remained more steady. It is showing a decline in 2019 from 2018. 2020's numbers aren't complete obviously, so that sharp down at the end could be ignored.

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I did another pass adding just the commercial projects (no LEED Homes, Multifamily, Neighborhood Development, etc.) and taking off the 2020 numbers...

Interesting to see as well that the number of new registrations has dropped below the number of certifications in 2017 and the two years thereafter. If you look at that as a leading indicator for the future certifications, it means they'll be dropping in the coming years.

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5839

The big spike in 2016 was because of the sunset of LEED 2009. If you registered your project by October 31 it could still be certified in version 2009, regardless of completion date, so they got a huge onslaught of projects that wanted to keep that option open. Some of our institutional clients raced to register every possible project that they were even remotely imagining doing someday. The 2013 spike was because that's when v4 was first rolled out, and it came with an announcement of the impending demise of LEED 2009. At the time they didn't say when exactly it would sunset but it was anticipated to be much sooner than it ended up happening. This was also around the time that the rule changes I mentioned above happened - this peak has the height of the fake projects trend in it, and the orange spike below it has the certified job trailers and school bus garages. The little peak in 2008 was because of the v2.2 sunset. Ever since v4 rolled out there has been a serious bottleneck in getting v4 projects certified - the wait even now is still much longer than was typical for the previous versions - so even if the registrations completely flatline there will probably still be a pretty good orange curve for years to come.

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I’m not so sure about you’re Orange curve for years to come comment. Pretty safe to say that the vast majority of registrations in 2016 were for v2009. Those registrations have a certification deadline of June 30, 2021. So all the v4 projects in 2017-now will be there for the orange line, but a lot of the backlog of registrations from 2016 will fall off a cliff next year. It has little to do with how long it takes to get certified under v4.

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5839

If it follows the pattern of past phase-outs they'll likely extend the June 2021 deadline by something between 4 and 12 months, but yes all the 2009 projects should either be gone by 2022 at the latest - though some will not make that deadline and will then convert to v4 projects. It's just that the 2009 projects have been moving along at their usual steady plod this whole time, while the v4 queue has been open since 2014 and alternating between slow and stalled ever since.  If nobody ever finished another LEED v4 project after today, I think it would still take them 5+ years to catch up. Time will tell.

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randomised

Flatten the curve!

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5839

double post. oops.

Jul 17, 20 7:07 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

Archinect, please reconsider using your news section as a place to promote employers looking for employees. You already have a section for that. Otherwise, consider posting academia posts in the news. You know, because reasons.


Jul 17, 20 7:53 pm  · 
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liberty bell

OMG we just watched the movie Vivarium and I looooooooved it. Creepy allegorical horror film of how relentlessly awful it is to try to live what looks like a normal life. Gorgeous production design, too.

Jul 17, 20 9:46 pm  · 
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threadkilla

yay! my favorite thread is back, but it's now missing some notable contributions from quondam and perhaps a few others... kind of crazy to
think it's been two years already!

Jul 19, 20 3:57 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

I think I build up enough karma sprinkles by helping out a new user with whom I likely share a zip code here that I can afford a few dumpster fire threads to level things out...  where to start?

Also, but unrelated to said dumpster fire hunt, our office AC is down and it's currently 28C inside... and it's not even 8am yet.

Jul 20, 20 7:53 am  · 
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citizen

Is that 28 degrees Canadian? =o] If so, time for culottes and flip-flops!

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Curious to know if employers are paying more to be featured in the News section with a little write up on their open jobs, or if this is included in the standard job post rate? If the latter, how does the editorial team decide which firms/jobs to showcase in the advertorial? 

I never thought much of it when the write-up featured 4 or 5 employers with open positions (see here, here, or here), but it seems like a whole other level to be the sole employer featured in the advertorial (see here or here). When Archinect does it for a company or school there is an indication that it is a sponsored article in the byline and in the text of the article ... plus they even get their own tag (see here). 

So, are these advertorials for open job posts sponsored, or is the editorial team showing preferential treatment to certain employers for a particular reason? If they are sponsored, should there be the same "sponsored" indication as for other businesses?

Jul 20, 20 12:58 pm  · 
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joseffischer

sometimes I forget we're currated product for sale at sites like these, thanks for reminding me

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curtkram

if employers are having that hard of a time finding people to work during the pandemic, that's a good sign right?

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randomised

everything here is advertorial, including (y)our contributions to discussions, it is all used to generate traffic, bait for clicks, sell ads and lure in advertisers. since the platform is free to use aren't we supposed to be the product or something?

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gwharton

Firms have to pay to be featured or post job listings here, so yes. It's advertising all the way down.

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SneakyPete

I don't begrudge anyone their revenue, but having the News section post marketing ad copy straight from the firm seems a bit off to me. I don't think any amount of money would elevate my help-wanted ad in the NY Times to the front page...

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To clarify a bit, I don't have anything against Archinect making their money from my traffic. I'm not paying to use the site, so I expect to see advertisements and if they can find a way to be creative and drive more traffic to certain jobs and get firms and companies to pay more for it, good for them. I do like knowing whether content has been sponsored ... especially in a "news" context. I'd think Archinect would want the same which is why I find it odd that they don't already have it in there ... unless they aren't sponsored which seems questionable to me. Which leads to my questions: 1) Are the advertorials for job postings for specific companies is sponsored content or not? 2) If not, how does the editorial team decide which jobs and firms to highlight? I'm not trying to make a larger statement about anything here ... I'm just asking for some transparency.

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SneakyPete

++ EA.

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Archinect

EA - if an article on Archinect is sponsored, it's always indicated clearly that it's sponsored. We are, and have always been, completely transparent about that. Regarding last week's articles about specific jobs, that was an editorial decision by the author and it was inconsistent with our editorial approach. When we do report about job ads they are newsworthy opportunities.

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Thanks for the reply. So the (weekly) features that Alexander Walter writes showcasing multiple firms with open positions is simply editorial ... no paid sponsorship from any of the firms (aside of course having open positions on the website which they've paid for). How does Alexander (or the editorial team at large) determine which firms/jobs to feature?

https://archinect.com/news/article/150208025/new-featured-job-opportunities-from-david-baker-architects-workshop-apd-sachs-lindores-studio-mm-and-blaze-makoid-architecture

Perhaps another way of asking the question ... what does the editorial team see as newsworthy in these firms/jobs? As noted in the article above they "stand out with impressive work and current job opportunities," but that could describe nearly all employers posting job opportunities on the site depending on how you determine "impressive work."

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Archinect

Every day (for about the last 15 years) we highlight a selected employer of the day that we showcase across our social media channels. And every week, for about the last 10 years, we've rounded up those EOTD's in our news. It's curation.

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This still doesn't really address my question of how those employers being showcased are being chosen from the available pool of employers posting opportunities to the site.

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Archinect

Your curiosity is respectable, but there's not enough time, or space in this comment box, to explain our editorial inner-workings, nor is that a discussion that we would have in a public forum. Every employer/firm that we highlight does something worthy of being profiled, and that list of criteria is long including their work/projects, location, staff makeup, research work, etc...........

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Fair enough. Thanks for entertaining my curiosity.

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randomised

But by posting such highlights don't you also open the door to possible harsh criticism of the firm, as with Marc Fornes/TheVeryMany's highlighted article? Under regular job postings such commenting is not possible.

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Not really any more than they would get from posting them to their social media accounts anyway.

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randomised

yes but then those comments are not connected to the archinect brand.

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If I see archinect highlight a job posting on twitter and I reply “@archinect this firm promotes a toxic working environment, shame on you for promoting it or taking their money” or something like that ... how is that not connected to the brand?

No, it's not a comment on the archinect hosted website, but it's definitely connected to their brand. Probably worse for them there than it would be on here anyway.

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randomised

true, that's also connected to their brand but differently, out of their reach in some way as it is on a different platform. that they don't control.

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Non Sequitur

my bouldering gym opened back up yesterday.  felt good to be back climbing... but damn, I need to shake off some rust.

Jul 21, 20 10:35 am  · 
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JLC-1

how is it operating? do they clean all of the holds between users?

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Non Sequitur

Cleaning the holds is not really feasible, but they mandate the use of a liquid chalk that is 95% sanitizer... plus require you sanitize hands between each area and wear a mask at all times. I was very manageable to climb and they limit the total pop to 50 and you schedule in a 2hr session. I climb between 9-11pm so the crowd is already thin at those times pre C19.

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SneakyPete

Out of curiosity I googled liquid chalk and sanitizer. TL;DR wash your hand extra thoroughly and don't touch your face. But man, I miss climbing. Need to get our asses out, maybe this weekend we'll head to the quarry.

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Non Sequitur

Sneaky, I think the rule in my gym is IF you are to use any chalk, it should be the liquid type. Conveniently, my gym also runs a distillery so making the product in-house is easy. I rarely use chalk anyways but this liquid stuff works pretty good. I'm going to try and ramp up my gym days to thrice weekly like it was in my prime... eugh, like 12y ago.

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SneakyPete

Good rule; the amount of dust in gyms due to standard chalk has GOT to be unhealthy. We haven't been to a gym in years because they're so ungodly expensive.

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tduds

My gym opened a few weeks ago, with similar restrictions (low capacity, by-appointment only). I haven't been yet. Man I miss it.

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https://twitter.com/JonathanYMusic/status/1285414567556739072

I CAN'T STOP LISTENING TO THIS

Jul 21, 20 12:03 pm  · 
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archanonymous

it reminds my of children's show intro music... but in a good way.

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I get ESPN vibes but that's funny because I don't like ESPN.

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SneakyPete

This is towards the end of the third episode when Hiro-chan battles the evil kawaii textbooks in the courtroom on Mars.

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tduds

If you like that you might like: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthwave

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tduds

Retrowave is my redlining soundtrack.

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archanonymous

i don't know if i'd really call that synthwave. Maybe if it had a baby with early Rush and the aforementioned ESPN intro.

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tduds

Yeah it's not synthwave, just similar energy.

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b3tadine[sutures]

John Tesh


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tduds

Same vibes, I think. 


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tduds

John Tesh has a beautiful speaking voice.

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tduds

If Todd Terje is too "synthy" for you, there's always LTE.


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randomised

So annoying that I can't even post a comment in the news item about Princeton students demanding racial justice...they even call their school a place of white supremacy, but when you question their stance your comment gets axed and posting privileges withdrawn...love that one-way traffic pushing the woke agenda, not. Wokeism = racism: 

Jul 21, 20 3:29 pm  · 
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Archinect

Pro-tip, if you want to avoid getting blocked from commenting on articles, work on your communication skills. 

 "Why anyone would want to study in such a horrible white supremacist institution?"

The moderation of comments like this has nothing to do with freedom of speech or openness to alternative viewpoints. It's about encouraging a relatively intelligent level of discourse. 

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randomised

It was a tongue in cheek reply related to the article, the editor or moderator probably didn't even read the article to "get" that. 

Why call out the institute you chose to study at as white supremacist, and still stay there, pay your tuition and your "white supremacist" dean's salary and all you do is write a silly letter...that makes me think it is all for show and people use such grownup words like white supremacy without actually meaning what they are saying, or without fully understanding that meaning in the first place. 

I wouldn't even let my kids stay in a daycare if I'd suspect the place is promoting white supremacy, yet people gladly stay at Princeton and pay their $50,000+ annually, all to the benefit of white supremacy? Bonkers!

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If the moderator didn't "get it," maybe you need to learn how to communicate "it" more clearly.

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Archinect

"Why call out the institute you chose to study at as white supremacist, and still stay there" - because some people are choosing to recognize their own contribution to systemic racism, and are moving forward with positive change. Others are ignoring it and pretending like the status quo is fine.

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randomised

Well the article is about students calling the Princeton School of Architecture one of white supremacy, but when I call out the place as such, it gets deleted...that's just hypocritical bs. Why not have this discussion under that news item? Why are we forced into the obscurity of TC?

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SneakyPete

We in TC know you, know how you debate, and therefore aren't thrown for a loop. News articles are for people outside the forum as much as they are for us. I've had glib, inflammatory, or whatever posts removed by the editors. It's never fun, but it's not my house.

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randomised

I should've just used "quotation marks"...the inflammatory bit was in the article, all I did was repeat it...lesson learned.

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randomised

""Why call out the institute you chose to study at as white supremacist, and still stay there" - because some people are choosing to recognize their own contribution to systemic racism, and are moving forward with positive change. Others are ignoring it and pretending like the status quo is fine." 

 And others are taking real action beyond simple virtue signalling, they take their $50,000+ elsewhere and put their money really where their mouth is...why stay in such an abusive relationship?

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randomised

"It's about encouraging a relatively intelligent level of discourse. "

No, it is simply a one way street...we are not supposed to question the woke agenda that archinect supports and promotes, there is no discourse, but we simply have to accept it, praise it or are forced to shut up about it. That comedy clip by Ryan Long is unfortunately spot-on, which is just terribly sad in my opinion. 

Jul 21, 20 4:08 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

I suppose one could start another Architecture focused website to encourage a different point of view within the marketplace of ideas.

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randomised

But it's for free! 

“The gem cannot be polished without friction, nor man perfected without trials.”

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square.

rando, anytime you wade into the political waters, your comments come off ignorant, inflammatory, and offensive (e.g. the "knee on the neck" comment, one of your finest). the white supremacy comment did nothing to further the conversation, it was just troll bait. people are more than willing to engage in different, well communicated ideas and opinions, but you have a long record of intentionally playing with fire, posting stupid videos, and crying grievances instead of arguing substance

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randomised

My comments are simply direct and to the point...when wading into political waters they are just confronting people with inconvenient truths. The knee in the neck was a bit out there, true, but I simply saw the similarities of an all-white archinect TC-pack going after that one black guy here. That knee was quite succesful by the way, jla-x is gone now, the pack won, congrats! So where's the diversity now?

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SneakyPete

Do you have the ethnic identities of everyone in TC?

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randomised

Yes, in my rolodex, I simply use the archinect diversity identification options.

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tduds

Perhaps its less that the agenda is not to be questioned, & more that the questions have already been asked and answered ad infinitum. Just because certain posters choose to pretend otherwise doesn't mean the rest of us are obliged to keep responding.

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randomised

It's about not being allowed to respond or have comments simply removed, not about obliging people to respond. Whenever people dare to question the wokeness the discussion is shut down, literally, and certain people blocked. It's almost like the first two rules of Fight Club...

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SneakyPete

I've been blocked from posting in news items due to my comments, so it's demonstrably not just one viewpoint that is being removed.

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archi_dude

Rando "your comments come off ignorant, inflammatory and offensive." a.k.a, they might make people think. Funny how everyone proved your point in their responses.

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Archi_douche - I think you meant to write 'think critically'. Any type of comment / speech causes thought in the listener. Not all comments / speech will cause people to think critically. In fact ignorant, inflammatory, and offensive speech tends to stop critical though processes in the the listener. It's one of the reasons that racist, incell, altright groups, and internet trolls use it so often.

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archi_dude

Purely regurgitating what your told is not thinking. But you are right, trying to shut down any speech that "offends" doesn't allow for any critical thinking. You must be so proud to be a champion of that. May the human race stagnate and never have another non-conformist, alarming and unsettling idea because it could possibly hurt some feelings
!

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SneakyPete

Someday you'll discover that, like the colors in your crayon box, there are an infinite amount of possible futures between the extremes found in your fever dream-addled reality.

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tduds

I'll restate : You're not being censored, everybody's just tired of your shit & you're bringing nothing new to the conversation.

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tduds

"There’s a term for this sort of bad-faith argument: it’s called the justification-suppression model. The theory is that bigots refrain from directly defending their own bigotry but get hugely riled up justifying the abstract right to express bigotry. So instead of saying, for example, “I don’t like foreigners,” they’ll fight hard for someone else’s right to get up on stage and yell that foreigners are coming to convert your children and seduce your household pets. 

 Focusing the conversation on the ethics of disseminating speech rather than the actual content of that speech is hugely useful for the far right for three reasons. Firstly, it allows them to paint themselves as the wronged party — the martyrs and victims. Secondly, it stops people from talking about the actual wronged parties, the real lives at risk. And thirdly, of course, it’s an enormous diversion tactic, a shout of “Fire!” in the crowded theatre of politics. But Liberals don’t want to feel like bad people, so this impossible choice — betray the letter of your principles, or betray the spirit — leaves everyone feeling filthy."

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archi_dude

Or it's just a way to shut down people who have different views on immigration policy.

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Good read tduds. Thanks for sharing. I was going to quote the second paragraph you posted above, so I'll do these instead:

"If we deny racists a platform, they feed off the appearance of censorship, but if we give them a platform, they’ve won by being respectfully invited into the mainstream. Either way, what matters to them is not debate, but attention. There is no perfect choice.

But there is a choice, and this, to my mind, is the sensible one: To refuse to dignify these people with prestigious public platforms, or to share them. To refuse to offer them airtime or engage them in public debate."

Adding the next paragraph too after seeing archi_dude's comment. It's a little strange out of context of the larger article, but still applicable in illustrating no one is being censored as there are plenty of places they can go to exercise their right to free speech.

"Fortunately, we live in a brave new world where real censorship is something that is almost infeasible unless you are extremely rich and venal and have an army of lawyers. If you want to hear what Bannon thinks, you can. Extensively, at many, many websites and forums. If you want to try to tease out and challenge the deeper truth behind far-right ideas, you’re free to do so, although be prepared to be disappointed. You see, the deeper truth is that there is no deeper truth. No hidden nuance. The new right have already shown us exactly who they are. Now the rest of us get to choose who we want to be."

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atelier nobody

See also Karl Popper:

"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. [...] We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.”

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tduds

Speaking of "tolerance" here's another classic from my "post in response to tired old diatribes" folder: 

"The progressive liberal agenda isn’t about being nice. It’s about confronting evil, violence, trauma, and death. It’s about acknowledging the ways systemic power, systemic oppression, systemic evil, work in our world around us. I’m not fighting for diversity. I’m not fighting for tolerance. I’m fighting to overturn horrific systems of dehumanizing oppression."

https://medium.com/@tuckerfitzgerald/intolerant-liberals-4ecd712ac939

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tduds

If I seem overly prolific in my responses around here it's because I've been subjected to these exact conversations *so many times* that I literally have a folder of copy + paste references. Again, to my point that nothing said here is revelatory or interesting, or even edgy. Read the room and recognize when you're being shown the door.

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randomised

The assumption that I post here in bad faith is one of bad faith...

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kristian96
randomised

Why do you ask?

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kristian96

Just doing some speculative finger-pointing. It resembles your style after all.

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randomised

If and when I point fingers it is not that speculative though but quite specific and to the point(!)

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Non Sequitur

for rando:

full comic here:

https://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe


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kristian96

OK, you got presumption of innocence from me.
Got drawings to do too.

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kristian96

But still let's try to blame someone, otherwise the mob won't be happy.

1  · 
randomised

thanks non, I do cherish my core beliefs of equality and universal human rights for all very deeply...so anyone that proposes anything that goes against those can expect my fury and some orangutan faeces coming their way! Fun fact, the word Orangutan was introduced to the west by Dutch physician Jacobus Bontius in 1631...

 · 
Non Sequitur

but rando, how do you feel about cilantro? that was my main objective with the comics.

 · 
square.

to use this analogy again- it's like going to a public lecture. sure, you can stand up and scream whatever the hell you want, but there are a set of implicit rules, part of the social contract, that will result in your removal so that the lecture may proceed, facilitating conversation rather than chaos. this is the job of the moderators, which is what the moderators on archinect do. you can claim censorship all you want, but if you've ever been to an event such as this, you've agreed to these conditions. there are very few "forums" in life (which shouldn't be confused with conversations among a few individuals) where one is able to say literally anything they want in the way that the internet allows, which is why it often becomes such a shit show.

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kristian96

Randomised's arguments are not wrong in principle. However, he expresses them in an undeniably edgy way, which makes him an easy target for the mob. So people turn him down on the basis of his communication style, irrespective of the quality of his arguments.

1  · 
randomised

Cilantro? I used to hate it passionately, as it tasted like soap to me. Then I went trekking through Thailand with the girlfriend for months, and now I'm immune...

 · 

No, many of them are wrong in principle too. Doesn't help that they are communicated poorly. Wouldn't make it better if they were communicated excellently either.

2  ·  2
Non Sequitur

Cilantro is awesome...but I don't think you got the point of the Oatmeal comic. It applies to both extreme ends... but I don't expect you to see it this way since it's already been explained to you several times.

1  · 
randomised

Square, that is a totally wrong analogy! 

I am not attending a public lecture here but a discussion f-o-r-u-m ["a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged." "a public meeting place for open discussion"] 

I also don't want to just say anything I want, just would like to be able to question certain motives and raise awareness of things possibly going in a wrong direction albeit done with apparently the best of intentions. It sometimes becomes a shit show when people, who think they are doing good, are confronted with possible negative outcomes of their behaviour or points of view and experience cognitive dissonance. Ah well, I am patient and not going anywhere, one day you too will come around.

 · 
square.

yes, a meeting. and meetings have rules, ones in this case you happen to not like. you're free to attend another meeting elsewhere. do you act like this in your office?

 · 
randomised

So help me out here non, what's the point of the cilantro question?

 · 
kristian96

EA, I know you are a sharp thinker, so I respect your view. However, I sense that rando is purposefully being edgy, to prove himself even before the conversation starts. He rejects political-correctness to push the boundaries of our rational thought and treats the communication style as a decorative shell (Got to love R.C.V.), expressing himself in a hardcore Dutch-Direct way by prioritizing the meaning. I've not read all of his posts (who has?) but I feel he's being scapegoated.

 · 
Non Sequitur

Now we've degenerated to spelling out and using definitions to beat this horse further? This is Balkins 2.0 territory. 

Rando, your "everything matters equally" pov dismisses (and ignores) the struggles from those who continuously are exposed to social inequalities. It's literally the same thing as saying "anti-antisemitism does not exit because I have a friend who is jewish". It's a nice utopian view, but it's glaringly incompatible with reality.

1  ·  1
randomised

EA, what's wrong with being pro equality? I really think I want quite the same as all y'all in the end, but simply achieve it through different means...

 · 
kristian96

Non Sequitur, I made a reference to Venturi. You made a reference to Balkins. Am I the one who degenerates this conversation? Also, how did randomised even evolve into the forum gypsy? He was quite a respectable archinecter as far as I can recall.

 ·  1
randomised

"everything matters equally"? that's not my point of view at all, that's bullshit, sorry. Equality matters, so you have to treat people equally and not base your treatment of people on their skin colour, ethnicity, gender, sexuality, religion etc. because that is racist etc. If you would really like to reach equality, look perhaps at socio-economic policies and tools that don't discriminate but are really inclusive. That's not utopian at all, just common sense in my opinion. And no need to drag the Almighty Balkins into this as a shortcut to avoid discussing the matter at hand, that's a little too easy ;-)

 · 
Non Sequitur

^kristian, I did not catch your comment. You must have made it while I was formatting mine. I don't think Rando is playing any intellectual games here. I believe he genuinely believes the everything matters slogan but fails to understand why it's not as clever as he thinks it is... but like you, I've not read or followed the entire discussion because, well, of obvious reasons.

 · 
randomised

I think the characterisation "forum gypsy" is racist.

Beautiful movie, with great music...

1  ·  1
Non Sequitur

Thank you rando for confirming my initial assumptions. You've used different words, but the meaning is exactly the same.

 · 
kristian96

Branded a racist whilst trying to defend the right to equality of a forum member who is unanimously perceived as a racist? Come on, it was only a figure of speech.

 · 

kristian, far be it for me to recommend anyone read more of randomised's posts, but you should go back a page and read the stuff where he argues reverse racism for an example of an argument that in principle is simply wrong (and it was pointed out numerous times why that is the case). There's no attempt to establish it as a decorative shell for some type of deeper purpose. Rather, the intent is to simply demand attention ... attention he so desperately craves.

 · 
archi_dude

To claim that there is no biased censorship here is laughable when you have Jlax and rando bring up topics for discussion and debate usually pretty civilly and they get axed while beta's extremely verbally abusive attacks remain. Its laughable.

1  · 
kristian96

Why is there bias in this if beta's comments are truthful? Is beta BAME?

 · 

I've flagged and asked for moderation (not censorship) of some of b3ta's abusive comments/personal attacks and most have been removed. I've also seen comments of jla's and rando's that should probably have been moderated (also not censorship) but yet remained. None of these users have been "axed." 

Not that this in any way is something where there is a score being kept and that it somehow needs to even out, but it does go both ways. To selectively remember one without acknowledging the other is disingenuous, more so when you try to pin an accusation of bias on that selection. 

To be quite honest, I find it ridiculous that b3ta is allowed moderating privileges at all at this point ... but it's also not my website.

1  · 
kristian96

EA, I am against censorship too because it doesn't practically achieve anything. The racists are not going to change mind just because you mute them. However, too much political correctness can also hurt and this is really prevalent these days. Everyone is being hypercautious. In fact, my comment at a thread was flagged too, when I was only having innocent surrealist fun.

 · 
SneakyPete

I remember a few times in the past where guys in my high school were just having fun calling each other slurs. It was hilarious for them. The people nearby not so much. We consider it a burden too heavy to bear when it comes to the consideration of others at the expense of "innocent fun. "

 · 
tduds

The point is not to change racists' minds, but to deny them a platform where they might change the minds of impressionable others.

 · 
randomised

Sorry all, that I don't buy into trickle-down diversity, I'm more of a bottom-up kind of guy. Let's just leave it at that.

 · 
kristian96

My ideal view of the Internet is that of an unfiltered space that allows people to achieve maximised freedom. Offensive content is not strictly bad, as you can draw lessons from it. It is also unfortunately a reality and hiding the ugly side of the world doesn't make the remainder more beautiful. Imo the filter to be applied should be up to each one of us as an individual and it is a conscious choice, similar to our decision to browse the net.

 · 
randomised

And kristian, I didn't "brand" you a racist, just said that particular characterisation is racist. Now, go watch Gadjo Dilo and don't "defend" me or my right to equality (whatever that means) using racist characterisations, thank you!

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kristian96

Randomised, perhaps the phrasing was unfortunate given the context of the thread. It is however an established phrase. 'Outcast' is a better term. Perhaps, you wouldn't have cared as much if the thread was about football? The fact is that I see some purity in your intentions and that's why I attempt to play the devil's advocate in your favour against the mob psychology. For me it is a technical exercise and nothing informed by personal bias.

 · 
archi_dude

Tduds I think the issue is that almost everything is being stated as racist. So when someone argues for a stringent border policy, personal accountability and protection of individualism...just cast these issues as either racist or not racist and they need to be deplatformed. A pretty highly autocratic and toxic norm for a democracy to engage in.

2  · 
archi_dude

Similar scenario as the Rona. Anyone who brought up the idea that maybe we could just close bars and wear masks to flatten the curve was a murderer who only cared about money and was anti-science. It totally killed discussion, created group think and the worst recession this century.

 · 
tduds

I rarely see that in practice.

 · 
tduds

In this forum there was a more heated argument fueled by people insisting on saying "Wuhan Flu" or whatever and almost no discussion of actions. So, in that case, the deplatforming was quite appropriate.

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I don't see how anything that has happened on this website has gone against your ideal view of an unfiltered internet. Perhaps the difference is in the application of the filter as you describe it. I can look at Archinect as the product of its founder, Paul, and his individual choice to filter the internet as he chooses. Equally, you have the freedom to create your own pocket of the web to apply your filter as you see it. You don't have the freedom however, to tell Paul how he gets to apply his filter. 

All of us here have chosen to engage as guests of Paul's filter. Likewise, we engage as guests of many other filters on the internet. You get to pick and choose which ones you want to engage with freely. In creating an account to participate on this website we've agreed to abide by whatever filter Paul wants to give his website. If we don't agree with it, we can complain here as long as Paul allows us to, or we could leave and complain about it more freely in whatever space on the internet will allow us at that particular moment (maybe today it's Mark's pocket, tomorrow it might be Jack's) ... or we could maximize our freedom and create our own space to complain on our own terms unfiltered by someone else. 

Maximizing freedom shouldn't allow you unfettered access to inject yourself in every possible discussion on any possible platform that might be on the internet based on whatever whim you decide to entertain that day. To do so would be denying Paul his freedom, and other users their freedom to participate according to Paul's filter.

3  · 
randomised

Well Kristian, that established phrase in any context is just wrong in my opinion...try substituting gypsy with, for instance, Jew or some other and read it aloud. I personally prefer OutKast over outcast :) Glad though that you're exercising technically, always good to flex those muscles, especially when not used that often...

 · 
kristian96

EA I like your analysis
and I like Paul's house. However, I feel at times that trying to regulate human nature is more of a passatempo or a fetisch than an ethical pursuit. Perhaps, the issue is the Internet itself but we all know why we come here. #solidaritytoPaul.

 · 

I don't know about you, but I come for the kangaroos and cilantro #kangaroos4life #cilantroandlimeordeath

1  · 
kristian96

No, you are probably here to please your ego and pass your time, as well as offer some occasional insight.

 · 
Non Sequitur

It’s all about the kangaroos and cilantro. Yeah.

2  · 

not cilantro obvs, but sometimes you gotta take what you get...

1  · 
Non Sequitur

New archinect feature suggestion: merit badges next to your name. First one for the suggestion box would be one for those who participated in the great Oregon kangaroo rescue event.

1  · 

That was cringe worthy, not badge worthy

1  · 
curtkram

can you start a reddit page dedicated to complaining about archinect censorship? i bet it would be all the rage

2  · 
randomised

I’m sure David Curtis already made one...

2  · 
SneakyPete

Yeah, of COURSE Curtis was banned, seeing how he was such a raging right-winger / libertarian / anti-whatever else  Archinecters collective bias is.

 · 
tduds

I have this thing where Kangaroos taste like soap.

1  · 

DC's banning was really only about his stance on leaf blowers.

2  · 
randomised

The mentioning of David Curtis was only because of that reddit page, not because of his views or lack thereof...by the way, just checked his twitter for any architect mentions, still can’t let go: https://twitter.com/dc_us/status/1284218760367243264?s=20

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Perfect example of my analysis above. DC was allowed to complain about Paul's filter here ... until he wasn't. Now he uses Jack's filter to complain about Paul's filter. Mark's filter wasn't working for him apparently ... also.

 · 
Non Sequitur

I'm sure you both can expect some legal letter shortly from DC's lawyer wife just for mentioning the wanker's name.

1  · 
randomised

assuming they're still together

 · 

Say what you want about DC, at least he knew that when he got removed from the site he didn't need to come back under a different name. Looking back at my email communication with Rick, he lasted maybe maybe 48 hours from a racist email in response to one of my comments on the site, to posting under his new name. I don't know what other attempts he might have made before that.

 · 
randomised

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Jul 22, 20 4:24 am  · 
1  · 
citizen

Always love the Python...

1  · 
midlander

A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it. . . . An important scientific innovation rarely makes its way by gradually winning over and converting its opponents: it rarely happens that Saul becomes Paul. What does happen is that its opponents gradually die out, and that the growing generation is familiarized with the ideas from the beginning: another instance of the fact that the future lies with the youth.


— Max Planck, Scientific autobiography, 1950


I think this concept is generally applicable to all people with willful beliefs. You can't change their minds; just wait for them to die and make sure the growth of understanding continues uninterrupted. We need to bring this understanding into progressive politics.

Jul 22, 20 9:42 am  · 
2  · 
Non Sequitur

yes.... and teach the younger ones to value evidence AND critical thinking together instead of relying on indoctrination and tradition... or easily swallow-able flashy you tube "savant" videos.

3  · 
randomised

I am as progressive as can be, can't wait till the idea dies out that one thinks one can fight racism by applying some more but different racism, sexism by applying some more but different sexism, etc...if you want sustainable and resilient change and equality that lasts of course.

 · 
midlander

perhaps the fallible sapience of this internet forum has misunderstood you. i cannot apologize to you on their behalf. your point is understood. IRL have you found other audiences more receptive to your unorthodox progressiveness?

 · 
archi_dude

Dont you have to not have kids and be anti-heteronornative these days to be a progressive? So....uh oh.

 · 
SneakyPete

No.

 · 
tduds

There's a massive difference between being allowed to do something and being forced to do it. Intentionally or otherwise, too much of the debate conflates these actions.

 · 
randomised

midlander, there's nothing unorthodox in my progressiveness...it is just about staying true to ones believes of diversity, inclusivity and equality despite all the pressure (here) and don't get sucked into the trap of some kind of forced trickle-down diversity as the holy end goal and final solution that will end all suffering and inequalities.

You know, the Futurists also believed in some kind of new scientific truth and thought they were on track to some innovative greatness yet all they gave birth to was Fascism (and some beautiful architecture, but let's not stray too far off...)

 · 
midlander

fascism is in the air lately for sure, just without the idealism

 · 
randomised

Agreed! From where I stand, in the reasonable middle, I can see the radicalisation on both ends of the spectrum...they're having more and more in common these days (a.k.a. the horseshoe theory)

 ·  1
square.

playing the middle, one of your favorites, is intellectually the laziest and easy position to take. you don't need to define this nebulous gray area, which becomes a catch-all for holier-than-thou positions. the sad thing is you're the only one who believes you somehow represent "the middle." at the end of the day, i truly wonder why you continue to post here to an audience of one.

2  ·  1
randomised

square, I'm not playing the middle, I am the middle...it's the flanks that are radicalising, I simply stay put with my superior(!) points of view and opinions and see the ends of the horseshoe coming closer and closer, they could almost make out. I continue to post here simply to educate you, you're welcome. And I really don't care if you (or others) believe or not that I represent the reasonable middle and that I might not have an audience. I think you simply enjoy to have a target to project all your frustrations on, at this moment that apparently is me...before that it was jla-x or some other poor sap, next time it will perhaps be someone else...that modus operandi says more about you than it does about me or anyone else.

1  ·  1
square.

your delusions of grandeur are beginning to scare me

 · 

I am the middle.

4  · 
SneakyPete

I'm closer to the middle than my posts suggest. My upbringing and the geographical location for most of my life caused me to have some beliefs that I am challenging daily.

1  · 

randomised's future podcast will be named? 

  • A) I am the middle, 
  • B) The reasonable middle, 
  • C) The ends of the horseshoe are making out, 
  • D) Here simply to educate you, you're welcome,
  • E) I might not have an audience.
4  · 
SneakyPete

Provided said podcast had guests who challenged randomised's beliefs and was not simply an echo chamber, I would give it a listen.

1  · 
Non Sequitur
  • F) All podcasts are equal, but mine is better
1  · 
randomised

That would totally not be a title of my podcast since not all of them are equal, duhhh

 · 
randomised

SneakyPete, I wouldn’t care for an echo chamber podcast, you could be my first guest!

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randomised

"your delusions of grandeur are beginning to scare me"

what you try to disqualify as delusions are simply inconvenient truth-bombs...those universal human rights are universal, it's not a pick and choose as you go to fit a political agenda, can't help it either, sorry...

1  · 
SneakyPete

That's fucking rich, coming from you. Pun fully intended.

 ·  1
Non Sequitur

specifically the part after 4:13

1  · 

Rick comes to a discussion forum to complain about back and forth banter ... aka discussion.

2  · 
SneakyPete

Gets banned from a thread, then a forum, then makes an alt and starts posting again in both. In many places that earns you an IP ban.

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randomised

That's uncalled for Non, using RATM like that...but I get it, you need to give an outlet to your cognitive dissonance. I'm here for you XOXO

(oh and still don't know what you were trying to say with cilantro)

 ·  1
SneakyPete

"That's fucking rich, coming from you. Pun fully intended." was not directed at randomised or anyone else in this thread. The post I was responding to has been purged.

1  · 
Non Sequitur

Rando, my video was in response to a now nuked comment.

2  · 
square.

damn, watching rick appear, post an internet etiquette guide from the 90s, and then get evaporated was.. something

 · 

Anyone who might still be wondering whether "rcz1001" is Rick Balkins, you shouldn't need to wonder anymore.

 · 
SneakyPete

This 90's gif which has aged about as well as he has seems appropriate.


 · 
randomised

Hahaha TC got Rickrolled again...in that case, disregard my comment Non about them cognitive dissonance, the XOXO still stands obviously and the bit about cilantro.

1  · 
randomised

It still fits though Pete ;)

 · 

Sneaky you should know that Buscemi gifs are always better for threads that have been Rick'ed

2  · 
SneakyPete

I think I'd actually cry if it ever came out that Steve Buscemi was anything other than an all-around fantastic human.

3  · 
5839

Darn, I missed it. But rcz1001 was at least the 4th alter-ego Rick created here in the past couple weeks. I'm sure he'll reincarnate himself in a minute.

1  · 
citizen

Well if we're trotting out Buscemi gifs, why not use the gold standard?

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2  · 
citizen

And you got me excited, 5839, when I misread your post as "reincinerate."

 · 
5839

Well that's only a matter of time too!  I mean, not that he'll necessarily self-immolate, but he'll drive the mods to do it for him.

1  · 
midlander

Philip Johnson - Nazi Past

very relevant bit above

Jul 23, 20 11:30 am  · 
1  · 
archanonymous

so, uh, how bout that architecture?

Jul 23, 20 11:33 am  · 
5  · 
tduds

Eh it's ok I guess.

 · 
SneakyPete

These days I like it better when I'm in it and not working on it.

1  · 
tintt

you mean Architecture

1  · 
archanonymous

no, just normal architecture.

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archanonymous

or maybe this kind of capital-A Architecture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7IxzpB-UMM

1  · 
JLC-1

.

Jul 23, 20 1:12 pm  · 
1  · 
b3tadine[sutures]

This shit is pricey!

Jul 23, 20 10:31 pm  · 
 · 
citizen

That price is shitty!

 · 
Non Sequitur

it's very sad that such a product is even available for sale.

4  · 
Jaetten

Think it's time for a handlebar moustache! Solo or with beard?

Jul 24, 20 1:22 pm  · 
 · 

Solo, like you will be when all the ladies see your handlebar mustache.* 



* Totally kidding. I am certain there are people of whatever gender you prefer who find handlebar mustaches erotic.

2  · 
curtkram

goatee.

 ·  1
midlander

try the beard on one side first and see how you like the combo.

1  · 
Non Sequitur

full mutton chops

3  · 
citizen

The biggest fashion scandal of the last decade duped young men into thinking that finely detailed facial topiary was a good thing.

1  · 
Non Sequitur

My beard (now full due to c19) is my only source of grey. I tell my wife it’s the only sign that I’m mortal.

2  · 

My beard (or lack thereof at the moment) isn't the only sign I have ginger in me, but it's the only sign that is visible when I'm fully dressed.

2  · 
randomised

The only time I had a handle bar moustache was when I was playing around while shaving the beard completely...two mistakes I won't be repeating anytime soon, if ever!

1  · 
Jaetten

Brilliant replies! got a lot of side eye from the wife when I suggested it haha. I'm keeping it!

 · 
wurdan freo

Ok... I'll take one... crazy thing is at $9400 in 1953.., according to the inflation calculator it'd be just under $100k in todays dollars... :(


Jul 24, 20 11:15 pm  · 
3  · 
midlander

unrestrained asset price inflation is one of the most remarkable and pernicious conditions of the 21st century economy across the english speaking world.

 · 

Happy Saturday y'all!

Didn't we have a Details thread? Tried searching a bit, to no avail?

Would this detailing of where new and old, galvanised roofing and gutters meet, count you think? Also of course can't knock that view and just generally lovely adaptive reuse project!


Via Domus

Jul 25, 20 1:56 pm  · 
6  · 
Wood Guy

I've been trying to figure out what's going on with the foreground rake--do you think it's just stepped back so it appears thinner from the ground? Or is there another reason it doesn't match the others? Nice looking work, in any case.

1  · 
b3tadine[sutures]

Perhaps an expansion joint? But I think you're probably correct.

 · 

Mike Riscica and his Young Architects dealio blocked me on Instagram this weekend. He posted, paraphrased, "if the AIA won't acknowledge recently registered architects, fuck them" I pointed out that AIA Indiana has a ceremony every year honoring newly registered architects and he should maybe be more careful about burning so many bridges in our very small profession. 

Boom, blocked. 

I've supported Mike's efforts in the past but he has also, consistently, displayed the kind of thin-skinned egotism that has been so prevalent in our profession. I can't wait for that entitled white man attitude to finally burn away, and looking at all the Black-led podcasts, articles, activist groups etc. I'm seeing around our profession lately we're getting there!

Jul 27, 20 11:16 am  · 
8  · 
Non Sequitur

Dude sounds like a self-help wanker.

 · 
tintt

Off with your head! I think receiving aggression from Mike is something we all get to experience eventually. 

2  · 
SneakyPete

It's good to give praise for a willingness to say things that are helpfully blunt where most folks keep quiet, but it's always, ALWAYS important to wait on an emotional response to see if it still feels right after the initial emotional surge has abated.

3  · 

Honestly, Mike Riscica is the worst person. His “marketing” is nothing but bashing NCARB, AIA, and Black Spectacles. I had it out with him a little a while back because he was bashing Black Spectacles’ coaching program - one I did/still do a hell of a lot of work with and a lot of my students have since become licensed. It looks like he does nothing but complain. Wonder if he has his pass rate statistics online and if they’re better than the overall rates?

4  · 
randomised

So he is a douche that can’t handle (constructive) criticism, no need to drag his lack of melanin or X chromosome into this.

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Funny thing is Donna, he knows that and has it written down on his website ... but that must be too inconvenient for the narrative he's trying to create at the moment. 

He's just upset with AIA, NCARB, et al. because they don't think he and his book, website, podcast, boot camp, conference, etc. are the greatest things to happen to aspiring professionals. I think he has a lot of good that he's done for young professionals and I don't want to erase that, but he is quick to lash out if he even smells a hint of criticism rather than effusive praise. What he doesn't realize, or doesn't want to acknowledge, is that if he worked with people more instead of against them he could magnify his efforts. This is where I think it's mostly about him building his brand rather than his goals of helping young architects and emerging professionals.

3  · 
square.

i'm no fan of the aia, but it seems like a strange hill to die on

 · 
eeayeeayo

It's too bad that he blocked you Donna, instead of engaging in a conversation. I'm involved with my AIA chapter and am interested in ways that we can better support emerging professionals. Some people do seem to dismiss us as not caring or purposely excluding them, but without letting us know what we did or what their ideas are for how we could do better it's tough to know what the issue is or even what we did or didn't do that created that impression. Our state also has an annual ceremony for newly licensed architects, as part of the annual meeting and awards event (to which the newly licensed people get free tickets.) We always welcome any members (including associate members, allied members, etc.) to attend any of our other meetings throughout the year. We have an active emerging professionals group, and all members at all stages of their careers are invited and encouraged to participate on any other committees in which they're interested. Many members of our board of directors are newly or not yet licensed. We lend out study materials (which are chosen based on feedback from those who have recently become licensed), we hold seminars and study groups, meet and greets, and lots of other social and continuing ed events. If others have ideas for better ways of recognizing those newly licensed, we always want to know.

1  · 

Exactly right, Everyday. Mike has done lots of cool things for young people in our profession but he's also needlessly burned so many bridges by offending people for small slights.

3  · 
archi_dude

This comment isnt racist or sexist how?

 · 
b3tadine[sutures]

And no, this post is not racist, or misogynist, despite what "dude" thinks. Idiot.

 · 
archi_dude

How is it not? It's attaching negative traits based on someone's race and sex. That Is racist and sexist and in no way fosters equity and unity.

 ·  1
b3tadine[sutures]

No. It's not. And you're making this thread dumber by the second. Lemme guess, you're one of those "dudes" that gets offended when women say they're not into you, right? Because it has to be racist, or anti-men to say I don't like stupid wight men, who thinks the world bends to your will, right? You poor wight dude.

 · 
SneakyPete

Just because one can take the root word and spin it doesn't mean one has an understanding of the definition of the word or how it's used. But it's a great way to try to sound smart.

2  · 
archi_dude

No, I'm standing up for my right to not be attacked based on the color of my skin or sex. Which you are now doing exactly what you claim to not be. The comment could easily say the guy is a jerk. Instead it lumped in hate speech based on race and gender.

1  · 

archi_dude = Michael Riscica ... ??

4  · 
b3tadine[sutures]

"Imperialist White Supremacist Capitalist Patriarchy" there, is that better? Thank you Dr. bell hooks.

 · 
archi_dude

Well confirmed who the real fascist, racist and sexists are. I did nothing but state the above comments are not creating equity and unity and becuase I stood up for a targeted race and sex i got attacked for my own race and sex. You are everything you claim not to be b3ta.

1  · 

But, archi-dude, in all seriousness: it's not racism for me to say I'm tired of white dudes. It IS me being guilty of stereotyping and over-generalization, but I don't feel bad about it: the cultural attributes that are generally ascribed to white dude starchitects are what I'm eager to see disappear *because* those are the cultural attributes that have been prevalent in preventing people of different attributes from succeeding. It's time for change.

2  · 
tduds

Just to echo what Donna said - Mike is a mostly good guy who has really done a lot to promote licensure and support young / emerging professionals. But over the last few years I've been reluctant to come to his defense since he seems to be both extremely thin-skinned and also extremely eager to pick a fight (and also also very reluctant to let things go). Not a good combination of traits.

2  · 
archi_dude

So the fact that a white guy cannot have the same protection from hate speech and is attacked even for asking for it proves they are not punching down. The second comment sounds like some thinly veiled rationalization on racism. How can we ever be equitable if the same rules dont apply evenly. Who ever holds the power to judge what is and isnt racist is in fact the racist by your own definition. It's not that hard to punch holes in it.

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tduds

This country was built by and large by and for white men, and therefore we are by and large responsible for its failings. Pointing that out is not racism, its constructive criticism.

2  · 

So I mentioned on his Instagram that many chapters recognize young professionals that pass the exam and he blocked me

2  · 
Bench

I had originally looked into using his study material, but was turned off by the amount of negative petty fighting he appears to take part in online. Ended up passing on his stuff largely on that basis and going with a combination of Ballast, Brightwood, and Black Spectacles, each of which appear to be much more neutral and genuinely trying promote licensure more broadly, despite their individual flaws. His attitude comes off more along the lines of "If you use anyone else's product you're an idiot".

3  · 

archi-dude: the "same rules dont apply evenly", and haven't for 400 years. That's the point.

3  · 
archi_dude

So saying that hate speech doesn't count towards one group based on their color and gender doesnt get us there and is in fact a racist and sexist statement no matter how much you want to dress it up.

 · 
randomised

Donna, how is White Mike “preventing people of different attributes from succeeding”?

 · 
square.

the amazing thing is "rando and the dude" are living out the portlandia sketch without even knowing it (i know they didn't watch it because if they had, they would have stopped digging the massive hole they're in a long time ago):

"I'm telling you, that's why men need safe spaces too.

The only place I feel safe expressing myself is on social media, you know under a pseudonym."

3  ·  1
b3tadine[sutures]

With Risicica, it's about monetizing his ARE platform, right? And the AIA won't play?

1  · 

b3ta, your probably right. He's worked really hard to create what he has, and he probably feels like the AIA has shafted him and supported other programs/platforms that he doesn't like or thinks charge too much for the value. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt, like I have attempted to in the past, but at some point you have to recognize the patterns of behavior for what they are and who is responsible for them.

3  · 

As a reminder, we've been here before only on Twitter vs. Instagram. See my post from Sept. 9, 2019

1  · 
archi_dude

Dont need a safe space. Just openly confronting your liberal fragility.

 ·  3
tduds

Love when folks wedge their way into a thread to whine about one or two phrases entirely unrelated to the overall point of the thread & then, when called out, pivot to accusing *the other people* of fragility.

5  · 
tduds

The "Think for Yourself" crowd ironically referencing the world's thinnest playbook. Fucking exhausting, the lot of ya.

4  · 
Non Sequitur

Love the fragility defense. Lazy and intellectually poor thinking in full display.

2  · 
b3tadine[sutures]

"I can't wait for that entitled white man attitude to finally burn away"

The above is what the "dudes" are "concerned" about, EWM, yes that perennial, centuries old, American White Womxn Subjugation; "entitled white man" [sin]drone.

Clowns gonna keep on clowning. 

3  · 

Ironically enough, an attitude is not a protected class. So Donna attacking "entitled white man attitude" is not hate speech, nor racism, nor sexism ... plain and simple. She never attacked white men, just stereotyped their attitude and attacked it.

1  · 
b3tadine[sutures]

Right?

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archi_dude

I thought it was pretty spot on. You can't handle when some one calls out your own sexist and racist views you try and disguise as harmless stereotyping or "constructive criticism" as tduds said. If my arguments seem lazy its because it's so easy to poke holes in this new racism and sexism. Apparently it's okay to say that someone's shitty attitude is becuase of their race and skin color? No that is not okay no matter who it's about and having that mentality is going to lead to even more inequity, division and racism.

 · 
tintt

I thought inequity, division and racism didn't exist, how can there be more?

 · 
randomised

square, what did I do now? All I said was that there was no need, (in my opinion), to point out gender or skin colour of the guy, and simply ask what Mike Risicica is actually doing to prevent people of different attributes from succeeding, that’s all. But no answer of course, only ridicule...All I know is that he is helping anyone willing to pay, regardless of gender or ethnicity or whatever, to get registered. So please, stop projecting here...thanks! You all have quite a long way to go, if pointing out the unnecessary focus on gender or skin colour results in these kinds of collective tirades...I am so glad I don’t live in the USA right now with its binary politics and discussions, all about punching up and/or down.

 · 
archi_dude

Randomised, you have to tread more carefully with their liberal fragility.

1  ·  1
square.

"keep the confederate monuments to remember history! but don't acknowledge any other part of history, especially the parts that explicitly show white men, who have been in control of most of that history, perpetrating acts of violence and exploitation, which would necessitate a view of contemporary events not as a blank slate with conveniently generic equality, but a reckoning with the past."

1  ·  1
square.

"i can't stand the usa, but i spend an excessive amount of time anonymously grieving on an american architecture website."

 ·  1
randomised

Square, you painted yourself in the corner again...Mission: The goal of Archinect is to make architecture more connected and open-minded, and bring together designers from around the world to introduce new ideas from all disciplines.

 · 
Non Sequitur

rando, your arms must be getting tired from all that digging.

1  · 
randomised

Non, did you actually read what I posted here after Donna’s first comment...it is all pretty harmless, really...I’m not doing any digging.

 · 
Non Sequitur

digging you are my naive friend.

 · 
randomised

I am not the one digging ;-)

 · 
SneakyPete

This is beyond tiresome. No minds will be changed, this is Sisyphus with syphilis.

6  · 
randomised

Agreed, but it is nice as a kind of historical archive, to later say “I told you so”...when 1984 comes back with a vengeance.

 · 
b3tadine[sutures]

Congress better pass the additional $600 week unemployment, or we're fucked.

Jul 27, 20 2:20 pm  · 
2  · 
SneakyPete

Seems like it's likely to be $200...

2  · 
b3tadine[sutures]

It seems that republicans are trying to do $200, but with a mathematical approach. Democrats need to stand tall, I know.

2  · 
b3tadine[sutures]

Question: we need more affordable housing, and we need to increase Black wealth, so why is large scale public housing the answer??

Why can't we create co-operative multifamily housing and have that be one - one of many solutions, understanding not everyone wants to own. Why not Levittowns as another type, with a co-op model?

Jul 27, 20 8:25 pm  · 
 · 
curtkram

what do you mean by a co-operative? shared ownership?

 · 
b3tadine[sutures]

Yeah, there are so many benefits, it's been done before. I think it's fairly popular in GB and California. I admit there might be challenges at the level of "public housing" but I think it can be done. I mean public warehousing of people has proven to be politically untenable.

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curtkram

are you thinking low income people could pool their money to build a multi-family project, or is the idea the government (or an NGO) step in with initial financing, then hand over ownership to the tenants?

1  · 
b3tadine[sutures]

The models I've seen, have shares, but generally speaking you are correct.

 · 
Bench

Beta - if you can find a copy of Rowan Moore's "Slow Burn City" I highly recommend it. He goes through a complete explanation of how GB's public housing stock slowly transferred from an ostensible public service to a portfolio for private investors. And, importantly, he gives a comprehensive outli ne of how to recreate that public good (at least in GB).

I find public housing policy fascinating.

1  · 
square.

ain't no money to be made by the devs. plenty of money to be made in affordable housing.

1  · 
randomised

The point is to avoid the developers in co-ops and cut out the middle man so not to build for profit but to fill a need. Must read: https://www.amsterdamalternative.nl/articles/5981

1  · 
square.

obviously. my point is you don't see co-ops like this in the us because there isn't a financial interest to do so; instead you see lots of "affordable housing" because tax credits and other incentives make it profitable for developers or other interests who will develop the project. it's more a question of where all of the resources currently go.

2  · 
randomised

Agreed!

1  · 
JLC-1

"society" at this point in time is just a word, after almost 50 years of "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" nobody considers joining others to get a better life for all, is all me, myself and I. I grew up in a country where coops were widespread, I could show you tens of small developments built this way, beautiful architecture and landscapes, but as square says, if there is no money to be made, neo-liberal governments have no interest in promoting Society.

3  · 
tduds

Here's a good article about collective ownership models. It focuses on rural & farming communities, but could be just as applicable to suburban or urban housing. https://harpers.org/archive/2020/07/we-shall-not-be-moved-collective-ownership-black-farmers/

2  · 
b3tadine[sutures]

That's a great article random, and exactly what I'm talking about! Thanks!

1  · 
JLC-1

tduds, this is so heartbreaking and still happening - "In 1981, a severe drought swept the region and continued for years. When Charles sought a loan to install an irrigation system, Sherrod claims, a USDA agent told him that New Communities would only receive one “over my dead body.” Later, the Sherrods learned that white farmers with similarly sized operations nearby had received USDA financing, even while they had been denied. In 1985, they were finally approved for a USDA emergency loan, but by that point the bank was foreclosing on their land. A white farmer bought the property, razed the buildings, and buried the rubble in pits he had dug in the ground."

 · 
archi_dude

Doesnt habitat for humanity already do this?

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I've been pleasantly surprised at the level of civility (and dare I say respect) in some threads recently. Thought that it would be nice to highlight them in the vein of TC's original intent:

Then there's one that had promise, but personalities got in the way:

A throw back to more classic archinect banter that keeps me coming back:

And finally, the classic example of someone clearly not willing to let a discussion happen without interjecting their own opposing opinion over and over again. It's still young, but the current trajectory is going to end poorly for holmeskrister if they feel the need to continue commenting when they have apparently little else to share:

Jul 28, 20 5:05 pm  · 
2  · 
citizen

Civility despite disagreement should always be praised.

1  · 
curtkram

there is literally an 'ok boomer' thread. why has that not fallen into 'ok boomer' memes?

 · 
robhaw

EA, for the sake of being fair, if you browse all the threads and posts I have created on Archinect, you will be able to see that my contributions have all been civil, respectful and of high quality. Therefore, I would appreciate it if you abstained from making any further personal comments (e.g. personality). Thank you.

 ·  2
Non Sequitur

Hold my beer

 · 
b3tadine[sutures]

robhaw, interesting.

 · 
Wood Guy

I feel bad about contributing to the negativity on Rob's conflicting advice thread. I went back and re-read his original post with the mindset that he is happy with his position, just bringing up a situation for conversational purposes. Some of his responses are antagonistic, but if a more experienced Archinecter had posted the same question it might have been a different conversation.

 · 
midlander

i think he is a bit awkward in explaining himself but well intentioned. that probably contributes to challenges handling what sound like routine conflicts at work.

1  · 
archanonymous

DAMN KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN.

 · 
archanonymous

ok EA, good call, i'll keep it more civil in such threads despite my (near constant) frustration at junior staff, students, and young people constantly complaining and not wanting to do the hard work it takes to be excellent at the practice of architecture. At least I KNOW i'm jaded.

1  · 
square.

and i'll try the same, despite my frustration at senior staff and leadership who constantly complain about younger staff complaining (bootstraps, kid!) while refusing to acknowledge that while they might be wrong sometimes, they also might be right about some of the systemic problems within the profession, problems that if not addressed, might mean fewer and fewer young staff to yell about. and yes, i'm jaded as well.

1  · 

I don't think it's that they (we) don't want to do the hard work. It's just that they (we) think the view that you have to work 80 hours a week (on a 40 hour salary) and live to work is the way to become successful.

3  · 

Wow, I wasn't trying to cast shade on anyone for their participation in the "contrasting orders" thread. Interesting that it was received that way, even though I would not characterize that thread as unusual in the type of responses it received. To most of you I'd say keep on keeping on. 

To robhaw I'd say, relax buddy or grow some thicker skin. It never started out as personal to anyone but you and it only got there for some people because you chose to take it that way. A word of advice: when you ask for input as you did in that thread ... listen. Just take it in. You didn't need to poke holes in the advice you were given and go off on how it wouldn't have worked in your situation. You asked how people would have dealt with it, you got those answers and then basically told people they didn't understand the situation if their answer wasn't what you had already decided was the best way to handle the situation. 

That's the reason the thread devolved, IMO. You didn't seem to respect the fair viewpoints of the people giving you the input you asked for. I'm not defending all of the responses as worthy of respect, but that's the kind of stuff that you gotta let go sometimes (if you really feel you need to express your dissatisfaction, give them a thumbs down and move on). There is still a lot of good discussion in the thread. The shame was that multiple people's personalities (not just yours) got in the way and it sidelined more discussion.

3  · 

Calm down EA. It's the internet. :)

2  · 
SneakyPete

Of all the folks to accuse of making personal attacks, EA would be towards the tail end of my list.

3  · 

Chad, that should be read as calm. I understand the length doesn't lend itself to that, but it was all intended with the utmost chillness. My response to robhaw is basically "calm down, it's the internet," but based on their responses in the other thread I thought a bit of explanation was warranted so as not be labeled  flippant.

1  · 

You know Donna likes a comment when she likes it twice:

Jul 28, 20 6:51 pm  · 
2  · 

Everyday: *as I clicked like* I realized I had probably already liked it. But you deserve double likes! This is the kind of snarky silly fun I miss from Archinect of a decade ago.

4  · 
liberty bell

OMG I don’t know if anyone else is watching Perry Mason but it is so good! Beautifully filmed perfectly paced. Gorgeous.



Jul 28, 20 8:48 pm  · 
 · 
Wood Guy

I watched the first episode but couldn't get into it. I've heard many rave reviews so I'll try again at some point. I stumbled on Succession--have you seen it? It may be my favorite series since Sopranos.

1  · 

I'm afraid to watch Succession because I have no stomach for rich assholes right now LOL.

 · 
randomised

...and they’re white too ;-)

 · 
tduds

We're a couple episodes behind but we're loving it so far. Good storytelling, good acting, beautiful settings. I hope it can keep up the quality.

I said this before but Perry Mason is the show we were hoping Penny Dreadful, City of Angels was going to be. There are so many overlaps in the premise (LA, Revival church evangelist, murder mystery, early 20th century racism...), it's an excellent contrast in good vs. poor storytelling.

 · 
Wood Guy

Donna, the rich (white) asshole part can be hard to take, and none of the characters are particularly sympathetic. It's just a good storyline, great casting, writing and acting. And reminds me why I switched to working for upper middle class clients; serving the ultra-rich is just a weird experience.

4  · 
liberty bell

Welp, we are officially downsizing. We made an offer on an inexpensive house on the other side of town in a not great neighborhood and it was accepted today. We have sold a lot that we had in Michigan, and we’re starting to give away or sell things like musical instruments and art that we don’t need. All of this is in an effort to purchase the building my husband currently rents. I’m nervous but excited to simplify our lives drastically!

Jul 29, 20 7:53 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

GENTRIFIER! (not serious)

I hope you get the building, leasing commercial is brutal.

1  · 
citizen

All of that spells a-d-v-e-n-t-u-r-e-!

1  · 
liberty bell

My guilt is real, Sneaky Pete.

1  · 
randomised

there goes the neighbourhood

 · 
Jaetten

I have a canoe shape with a hole in the top an bottom in Revit. I have applied a diamond grid.
How can I create a steel round section that runs the perimeter of the top and bottom holes? I can't find a solution on google.. Sweep doesn't work in this instance.

Jul 30, 20 3:41 pm  · 
 · 
SneakyPete

This is a topic more suited for its own thread, not Thread Central, which is a thread ABOUT other threads.

 · 
Non Sequitur

Canoes with holes on the bottom are not very efficient. I recommend you limit yourself to only one hole... preferably the one that points up.

3  · 
Almosthip

try doing two sweeps, one each side of the hole and joining them. Revit doesn't like it when a sweep ends where it started.

1  · 
Jaetten

Cant get it to work, will just export to SketchUp and follow me.

 · 
curtkram

this definitely leaves more questions than answers

 · 
Jaetten

It’s a bit of practice with concept massing. I’m using it for creating elevations for autocad and visuals in sketchup. Revits uv grid tools make creating tessellated forms much quicker. I’ll try again with getting a sweep to top and bottom, but it keeps giving errors. I assume the reference line I was drawing was the issue.

 · 
archanonymous

If you had to stop being an architect and instead be a consultant that architects work with, which discipline would you choose?

Jul 30, 20 5:38 pm  · 
2  · 
atelier nobody

Building Envelope

2  · 

Same ... building envelope. 

Though I've been approached to do specification consulting, so it's nice to know there's that to fall back on if I had to in desperation. Not what I would choose to do however.

2  · 
square.

autodesk, because i could spend my day irritating architects

3  · 
tduds

Design ;)

1  · 
archanonymous

I waffle back and forth between Envelope and Signage.

 · 
curtkram

whiskey sommelier. i would like to advise architects on which bourbon they should buy.

3  · 
randomised

architecture consultant

 · 

Physical model builder.

2  · 
wurdan freo

^^ pretty sure it goes something like this...


Jul 30, 20 6:03 pm  · 
1  · 

Was this the attachment on the open letter to Autodesk, or attachment on Autodesk's reply?

1  · 
citizen

Is that a pocket in your canoe, or are you just happy to see me?

1  · 
liberty bell

citizen I totally saw a penis. Glad I’m not alone.

1  · 
Jaetten

I believe I said it the design looks like that earlier on in in this thread haha

 · 
randomised

now the net stockings kind of make sense, if you're into that sort of thing...

1  · 
liberty bell

Hey, do you know who sucks? Credit reporting agencies, they suck! Experian, Trans Union, Equifax: they own our information without our consent, and we basically have to buy it back from them anytime we want it. But we also don’t have a say in how they report on us to people we want to do business with. It’s really gross, really truly gross.

Jul 31, 20 7:33 pm  · 
2  · 
archi_dude

And then they can lose all of our identities and then in the subsequent class action lawsuit give us a year of free credit monitoring or $13 while still maintaining extremely high CEO pay, bonuses and stock buybacks...

 · 
Non Sequitur

Hockey is back!

That is all.

Aug 1, 20 1:14 pm  · 
2  · 

Some of my friends in Seattle are excited to have a team now. Not being into hockey I don't know how new teams are generally received. Good? Bad? Meh, we'll see how they play? Is there consensus yet that fans will be called Krakheads?

 · 

5839, you mentioned earlier that Rick has tried a number of different alter-egos since getting banned. I know of rcz1001. Do you recall the others? Perhaps RBM215 and/or r-b1dg5y-r3m3b3r? I have a couple of "likes" from them ... both right after Rick got the boot, but then nothing from either since. 

Aug 1, 20 9:06 pm  · 
 · 
5839

Yes, rcz1001, and r-b1dg57... is another of them. I don't know about RBM215 - I didn't encounter that one, but probably. There was another that started with r, and one that started with a whose only job was to thumbs-up the others.

 · 

Thanks, I was digging a little deeper and RBM215 has some comments in the COVID-19 Lay-off Thread about masks the day before Rick got the boot. I'm inclined to think they are not Rick and rather a one (or two) post user who hasn't come back after getting what they wanted to about mask wearing.

 · 

How did Rick get banned again?

 · 
SneakyPete

Racism.

2  · 

... also being misogynistic

1  · 

Wow. The guy was a tool but I didn't see that coming. I'm glad I missed those threads.

 · 

Chad, I can share an email he sent me responding to comments here after he was banned if you're having some serious FOMO on his racist rants.

 · 

Oh I don't doubt that what people are saying is true. I just haven't been reading his posts so I was unaware.

 · 
nabrU

Safe (that's hello in London) How are you all doing with adaptive re-use of all the redundant office buildings you commercial architects have helped to build? How do you feel about pension funds tied up in your buildings, and what that means for those whom have invested, is it just a developer is scumbag thing or needing a job after finishing at school?

I'm fairly good at communicating architecture, how can mass floor plan CAT A central air circulation be sold for adaptive reuse as residential?

Genuine question 

Aug 3, 20 6:36 pm  · 
 ·  2
SneakyPete

Based on your post I would challenge your assertion that you are "fairly good at communicating architecture".

 · 
nabrU

Better than some fake "high modernist ideal?" based on maximum number of desks on a floor. Whilst having a centralised core, air circulation and no outside space? And I'm more worried about everyone's pensions being poored into the utterly unfit for purpose commercial architecture that's predominantly built in London.

 · 
archi_dude

We have multiple lease walks a week for the office park we are currently building. Most of the space has already been grabbed and is being modified for each tenants needs. But an excellent brain fart!

 · 
nabrU

Good for you archi_dude where is it?

 · 
Non Sequitur

I don’t think you’ve made the slightest effort at understanding your POV.

 · 
midlander

mm good point. i never thought of that and still haven't. i'll recommend you look into socialism then, where pensioners don't require returns on investment to fund living through oldage. thanks for the insight!

 · 
tduds

Ma'am this is a Wendys.

2  · 
Jaetten

There should be an 'eject' button for people who don't want surveys! 

Red button under desk, or maybe within AutoCAD?

Aug 4, 20 6:07 am  · 
 · 
midlander

i hate customer satisfaction surveys. when they're pushy enough i just give randomly terrible reviews to help make their data noisy and useless. surveys are such a lazy way to pretend to care.

 · 

The calm, helpful liberty bell of old appeared on the "Success stories of leaving the discipline" thread today!  Man, I miss that lady. 

Aug 4, 20 5:34 pm  · 
5  · 
archanonymous

does the calm, helpful liberty bell of old have any advice for the Donna Sink of today?

2  · 

I'm finding it hard to refrain from offering a contrasting opinion in the back and forth in that thread about how hard the ARE is. Hearing lots of voices in my head saying "If you don't have anything nice to say ..."

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Bloopox

Bah! Humbug.

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liberty bell

The advice would be “more yoga, less wine” but who the hell has time for a yoga class lately?!

 · 

To be honest, I’m afraid if I ever take a yoga class I’ll break wind while in downward dog

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