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I took a call from a freshman in college last night. He was tasked with interviewing an architect for a course he is taking, and get this ... he decided to call an architect rather than post the questions to an architecture forum. There is hope for the future

I've known him for a number of years now, and it was really nice of him to think of me. All told the interview itself was a little over 30 minutes of my time that I was happy to spend to help him out. I also offered to introduce him to some architects I know that have a firm in a nearby city to where he is studying if he ever wants to go tour their office and talk to them too.

Oct 15, 19 4:01 pm
b3tadine[sutures]

Now that, is perfection.

tintt

I've been talking to a kid who wants to be an architect but doesn't want to go to school or get licensed. Bad case of entitlement/just give it to me.

joseffischer

We had two people in the office for about a week each interested in architecture and/or engineering (we're an A&E firm). Both were related somehow to employees; both decided not to pursue architecture after their stint, but may still do engineering of some kind. I guess we scared them away.

I had a job shadower last week, a high school student who is interested in architecture and art. She was lovely.

atelier nobody

My mom taught high school, and used to send kids my way now & then. There was one scary-smart girl who wasn't sure she wanted to go to college right away, who I tried to get a job (she ultimately turned down the job offer and did go straight to college - probably a better choice for her).

I let a HS student job shadow me a year or two ago. I doubt she decided to pursue a career in the field after hanging out with me for a few hours. She didn't seem all that impressed with the technical nature of the work. I even tried to impress her by taking her around the office to see a variety of different roles. I also took her on a walking tour of some nearby projects and explaining the interesting aspects of them. I think she was expecting something completely different.

b3tadine[sutures]

I advise all prospects to avoid architect's offices like the plague, or the clap.

Non Sequitur

I have several friends who teach high school and I’ve always make myself available to their students interested in architecture. Not a single one has even used that opportunity even though I could have walked them through admission. I guess not all hope is lost... as long as high school students don’t expect 6-figure starting salaries like that new one-post pony.

nabru

Architects, on the low have a sense of entitlement. The best I have met do not. AA grads have the most unjustified entitlement in my experience

Oct 15, 19 9:38 pm
shellarchitect

Speaking of entitlement.... Anyone have some advice on how to deal with jealousy?  2nd grade kid's friends parents are all apparently fabulously wealthy



Oct 16, 19 9:37 pm
OneLostArchitect

Who is jealous?

liberty bell

Shellarchitect I have no advice but have been there. In fact still feel like I’m there a decade later. I don’t even know what kind of jobs these people hold - “business” of some kind - but they all seem to take fabulous vacations and go to spas and I don’t get it and feel jealous.

tintt

It's possible they buy their kids crap to avoid parenting and they are deeply in debt doing this and buying spa packages and month long trips to Hawaii. I know many part time rock collectors that own 7 ipads, 3 time shares and drive $65,000 suv's too. And wear Patagonia (because it's the only responsible thing to do, or I'm told). 

shellarchitect

That is very possible. I don't know the kids in school too well, only the soccer team ones. 4 lawyers, 2 radiologists, a personal finance blogger, 2 bankers, and a couple small business owners. I feel better assuming highly leveraged. T
he moms are all the same age and the dads are generally in their 50s!

Despite growing up here in Paradise surrounded by kids with every latest gizmo from iPhones to BMWs and jetting around the world on a whim ours turned out to be a wonderful, compassionate human being. Part of this is the values you instill in them of course but I think a big part is being interested and engaged in real pursuits - something other than vapid consumption and eternal holidays. Being able to do something they can’t is not something that can be bought. Beyond that exposure to the corrosive behavior of entitlement is a lesson in itself. The measure of one’s worth is not money, it is what you can do. Your job is to facilitate their experience, and you learn far more from the difficult ones than you do from the good ones.

tduds

Agree with Miles here. My best advice for jealousy is simply to try to focus on the intangible gifts you & your family share instead of the material possessions you lack.

Non Sequitur

I've just recently been promoted to the first ring of firm management inner circle.  Something that's been a while in the making, with still some legal things to go through, but for the sake of argument, it's all done.  Not quite "use of company private jet" level, but a not-insignificant profit % sharing is particularly appetizing and one helluva incentive among a few other perks.

Now I just need to worry about breaking into the next tax bracket... 20.5% vs 26% income tax, here I come... eugh, I feel old just writing that.  

Oct 17, 19 8:51 am
threeohdoor

Congrats! Unless Canucks do taxes differently, the tax bracket would only apply to income after $95k. You seem like a reasonable and smart person so you probably understand this, but many people still are under the impression that if they hit a different tax bracket, then ALL of their income is taxed as such. Just trying to add clarity for other commenters.

Bench

Congrats!

Non Sequitur

That is correct Threeohdoor, it's 26% above that number (at least for 2019). I was generalizing and expect that topic to become more prevalent in my near future.

Non Sequitur

Thanks Bench.

Chad Miller

Nice work! Now open an office in western Colorado. I know a good PA/PM with great design skills. Only downside is they can't make coffee worth a damn.

Bench

"Only downside is they can't make coffee worth a damn. " Pretty sure thats illegal in CO ?

Chad Miller

I think not liking micro brews is illegal in CO. Everything else is fair game.

tduds

Congrats Non. Does that mean you'll be too busy to post here so much? ;)

archiwutm8

Congrats! And the low taxation I'm jealous of! I'm at 40%!

Non Sequitur

Never too busy to post here... or too busy to drink coffee, or too busy for craft brews. With all that excellent action, who has time for work anyways?

Congrats Non Sequitur! I have to say I've never really thought about my tax bracket when getting a raise. Maybe I've been doing it wrong?

archiwutm8

So just came from a BIM conference and it was nice seeing the varied faces about now, before it was just old white dudes or the odd nerdy 30 something year old.

Now it was about 4/10 women and a lot more people that weren't the odd kid.

Still boring.

Oct 17, 19 10:14 am

I love this comment, architwutm8, everything about it!

Chad Miller

Any of you fine pros ever use pre-hung AL windows on commercial projects?  I never had and was wondering peoples opinion of them.  

On a related note I found it weird that I've spent the majority of my career using only storefront.  Very little curtain wall.  Guess I'm not designing tall enough buildings.  There is a joke about overcompensation in there somewhere . . .

Oct 17, 19 5:22 pm
atelier nobody

I have, although not nearly as much as I have used storefront, of course. It's worth getting a copy of NAFS (AAMA/WDMA/CSA 101/I.S.2/A440) and getting familiar with the different grades (hint: the ones you'd specify for quality work ain't the same ones Home Depot carries).

Chad Miller

Thanks for the reference! No Home Depo? Dammit. ;)

Non Sequitur

I’m 50/50 curtain and storefront. Don’t think I’ve ever done pre hung Al.

+1 on understanding the performance classes and grades in AAMA/WDMA/CSA 101/I.S.2/A440. I don't have much experience with them myself. I've never had to worry about it, but I've been warned to be careful with receptor systems for the reasons outlined in this article.

I should clarify that when I said, "I don't have much experience with them myself," I meant pre-hung aluminum windows. I do have plenty of experience with the performance classes and grades but mostly with vinyl and fiberglass windows.

archiwutm8

We need to have a template answer thread for these common questions asked.


What school is better?/should I attend?/is more technical or conceptual?


Link to league tables and reviews or something.


Should I return to school at XX age? 


Depends on your financial situation and (generic answer) go for it if you really want to/there's no age limit to what you do.


Which laptop should I get? 


Link to work laptop reviews.




Or something along the lines of this.

Oct 21, 19 7:18 am

​or just require a minimum number of posts before you can start a new thread ....

Non Sequitur

but the "I'm entering first year arch and will be using 3Dstudio, Revit, Rhino, and Solidworks 24/7. Will my mother's 8-year old macbook air be enough?" Are so entertaining...

Chad Miller

I like the ones about how we're underpaid and the profession is dying. Those are so uplifting to read on a Monday morning.

archiwutm8

I reckon you lot would like a story like this.


Asshole contractors

Oct 22, 19 12:26 pm
SneakyPete

Being respectful is free. Being a dick can cost you.

That's a good story!

Shitty week update: Saturday I was pulling my Miata out of a parking lot behind a truck which suddenly went into reverse and crashed into me. Significant damage to three panels and a destroyed headlight. Can't drive it til it's fixed.

And today my project house, a little shell on the west side I've been working on renovation plans for, burned down. Not *all* the way down, though - there's still enough left that we'll get to pay for a demo contractor to knock it down the rest of the way now! No insurance, no power, fire inspector has "no idea how this blaze might have started".

Everything is fucking awful. Truly hard to find any single thing to feel good about right now (except my husband and son, who are awesome and put up with me for some reason). (Well and also I'm grateful no one was hurt in either the crash or the fire, so there's that, too.)


Oct 28, 19 10:13 pm
Non Sequitur

Oie, makes my afternoon shitstorm client meeting seems like Disney world in comparison. Sending you a virtual bourbon.

curtkram

bourbon is something to feel good about

I mean yeah bourbon is good unless you feel like you're using it to numb the extraordinary shit that is happening all around you every day. Example: the wildfires in California right now are freaking me out. Massive displacement of people isn't good for society!

Non Sequitur

I wrote "a bourbon".... not a whole case + funnel. Shessss. I figured Donna is a seasoned vet at this point and won't get all slooshed up after one glass.

No joke, I almost had the same type of truck incident happen to me over the weekend. In a parking lot, truck in front of me starts backing up suddenly, I lay on the horn and they stop inches from hitting me. Sorry about the Miata and the project house. Glad no one was hurt.

midlander

glad everyone is ok. take these as omens and go on vacation for the rest of this week.

atelier nobody

There's nothing wrong with numbing all the shit now & then, as long as you don't make a habit of it. Sorry to hear about all the shit that needs numbing.

Upside: we had a really good lunch-n-learn by Ryan Fire Protection today and I was *extra* engaged and really feel like I learned a lot! (Also lunch was a baked potato bar and cookies. Score.)

@ Donna. I’ve gotten much better about my attachments to stuff. Last week a gallery returned two pieces so poorly packed - and with bad instructions to the mover - that they were all but destroyed. What bothers me about it is the gallery owner denying responsibility and trying to blame it on deficient construction of the work. Instead of “I’m sorry, how can I make this right?” I got “That’s impossible! I’m not paying for it.” 

Stuff is just stuff and can generally be fixed one way or another. Shitty people can’t, and we have waaaaay too many of them. There is a fix for that but it’s not legal. 

Oct 29, 19 10:44 am

On an unrelated topic I posted a comment in 

Dignified Obama Presidential Center design receives subtle updates

noting that “Dignified” was editorializing unsuitable for a news article headline. The post was deleted and now I am blocked from posting on that article. LOL

Oct 29, 19 10:51 am

Miles, I contemplated making a similar comment when I first saw it but decided not to bother. Now I'm going to bother. So many things with the "news" on this site that bothers me and this is a new one.

Well, that didn't take long. They took my comment down and blocked my ability to comment on the article as well. If you hurry you can see that it indicates 3 comments but only shows 2. Censorship time delay.


midlander

third! i had the same thought, but didn't care enough to comment. Classy! also, i think this 'dignified' version looks more like a mausoleum than the old one.

btw i like obama, voted for him twice. just to make sure my politics are read correctly.

midlander, did you post something to the news article? If not, you should. At some point whoever is removing them will get the picture, no? 

Is it Antonio Pacheco removing them himself, or is there some other accountability for this? Why do the comments need to be removed rather than hidden if archinect finds them so offensive?

My comment was not political in nature either. The headline may not even be political. I think the intent was to parrot the language that Kamin used and is quoted in the article, but it doesn't read that way in the headline. Currently it reads as a political headline, when I think the intent was a commentary on the architecture. The comment I made was to add quote marks around the word "dignified" to show that it was a quote rather than editorialized content. I also posted a screen shot of Miles' comment and asked that his comment, and ability to post comments on the article, gets restored.

midlander

no, didn't post. i'm not one to fight the man, i'll sulk and read some political philosophy instead if i need to ;)

Posting anonymous comments on the man's own website is barely considered fighting the man. I thought I was keeping the comment pretty constructive as well to see if they'd leave it up. I even separated my ask to restore Miles' comment so they could hide or take it down separately. I've probably posted worse criticisms of the "news" before that they haven't bothered with so I'm curious if it's something that only some of the editorial staff take personally and that's why it is getting taken down.

Maybe I should take that last part back. I had posted a reply to Donna's comment and Sean's reply about Howland's clarifying comments in the news article here that it was archinect journalism at its finest. That comment was up, but has since been removed. I'm not sure when. I also do not have the ability to post on the article anymore.

^ which is perfectly fine for Kamin to do and express, and perfectly fine for archinect to report on as newsworthy. I just happen to think that in reporting on that, the editors should be clear and objective in the content starting with the headline. Adding quotes to the existing headline would effectively do this. Rewriting the headline would probably be better.

One wonders why Bass Pro Shops needs their design architect to work 45hours/week. https://archinect.com/jobs/entry/150167195/design-architect Do fish never sleep?

Oct 29, 19 2:08 pm
threeohdoor

I'm a huge fan of the following requirements: 

  1.  "Flexible in the face of shifting priorities"
  2. "Willing to work with large groups of people" 
  3. "Able to work independently"

Sounds great. 

Anyone on here do AOR or Design Arch stuff for big chains? I met a duo from CA that does work with Darden, and boy, their pants were grumpy and sad...I would imagine a job at Bass Pro would lead to similar conclusions.

Chad Miller

Sounds like production job within a team that has rigid hierarchy and a culture to mach.

I could be wrong though, just ask Tom Jowett, he runs the place.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-jowett-64439553/

tduds

#1 is my nightmare.

#2 & #3 contradict each other.

Chad Miller

Applying log siding to a cmu wall contradict each other.

Almosthip7

I produce construction documents for a very large franchise. I do all their buildings for western Canada. I only work 37.5 hours a week. I also have other clients that are not of the large franchise type.

LOL Chad if I could "like" that comment I would!

Chad Miller

Why thank you.

threeohdoor

To be fair Miles, #2 and #3 don't contradict so much as they negate the need to write them in the first place. 2/3 should be combined to say "Able to work."

tduds

Picking up my first PM/PA assignment next week! It's a huge step down in scale (10% of the budget of the project I'm currently on) but a big step up in responsibility (I actually have to consider budget, fee, deliverables..). 

Not stated explicitly but it feels like a "test" from the bosses to see if I can handle running a show. Here's hoping I can.

Oct 30, 19 12:14 pm
curtkram

Good luck tduds. Let us know if you need any help.

joseffischer

Congrats and good luck. Frequent updates will be appreciated!

Good luck. Allow yourself LOTS of time for admin tasks like projecting hours needed by your team to complete a specific task or phase, reminding people to track their hours and submitting. and writing meeting minutes and phone call logs. Lordy, that stuff takes so much time.

tduds

Thanks y'all. I might make an ongoing 'lessons learned' thread at some point.

atelier nobody

Find out if your firm has any existing Excel templates, guidelines, checklists, etc. My first time in your position, I was totally unaware of resources that were available, and nobody thought to tell me (or maybe that was part of the test).

Non Sequitur

woot woot.

kjdt

Ask as many questions as you can think of. People in your firm are probably going to be more than happy to tell you all their lessons learned (war stories/fish tales.) If you don't ask they're also probably going to be more than happy to fault you later for everything you didn't know, and should have asked.

Juicy, enjoy!

congrats on the opportunity!

citizen

Kudos, tduds. You'll do great. And Donna's mention of meeting notes and phone logs should be taken to heart. (You don't think of their importance until 3-6 months down the road, once the specifics of an innocuous conversation become crucial due to this or that intervening circumstance.)

tduds

I learned doing CA for a gov't project that you *write* **everything** *down*. This is going to test my organizational skills though.

The technical term for this is “papering the file”. Lawyers call it “billing by the pound”.

tduds

Ah, to be hourly...

Non Sequitur

I've just switched from hourly (well, salary plus OT hourly wage) to straight salary + % profit. We'll see how that goes.

axonapoplectic

I am at the stage of CA on a large project where it feels like the part of the movie Groundhog Day where Bill Murray’s character repeatedly kills himself.

Oct 31, 19 2:54 pm
Happy Anarchy

like any hardcore partying architect I'm watching a zoning variance/board hearing meeting of a client that I may have to attend as expert witness next round...with a beer in hand.

Nov 1, 19 9:42 pm
Non Sequitur

What kind of beer is it?

Happy Anarchy

ommegang hennepin....had liqour store order just for us

liberty bell

I voted this morning, Democratic for mayor and Republican for my city County Council representative. I haven’t voted Republican in 20 years, but this one is very centered.

Nov 5, 19 8:02 am
tintt

I voted for a 22-year-old for school board. Nonpartisan.

senjohnblutarsky

I wrote myself in for sheriff and board of supervisors. Should have a solid shot at both.

tintt

I wish I had thought of that!

tduds

I voted to not lower my property taxes. Pretty uninteresting ballot this year in Oregon.

Non Sequitur

Any crazy locals? My recent federal ballot had one eccentric independent that runs for every election. I think this time he advocated turning the main highway into a bike only lane. He got more votes than the 50-person strong christian heritage party.

No crazy locals on my ballot. Fairly uninteresting ballot as well. Mostly school board, city and county representatives up for election. Some stupid ballot measures/initiatives but nothing that I think has any chance of passing ... unless people don't know how to read ... which is always a risk.

Here it is just the usual suspects: political lifers jockeying for the next paycheck. With term limits they try to jump from one post to the next. As usual, nobody to vote for and all too many to vote against.

veronica-brooke

Right!

veronica-brooke

Right!

Nov 6, 19 5:17 am
Chad Miller

Well our bond to replace a 60 year old high school that has never been updated and is suffering from foundation issues didn't pass.  The reason?   People (52%) where unhappy that part of the last education bond (the first one passed in 20 years) used some of the money to give administrators raises.  The raises put the administrators in the mid range for the state, before that they where in the lower 20% pay range.  This damn community wonders why the average persons income is low, it's because we're producing under educated people. Fucking idiots! 


Rant over.  Back to CA work.  

  

Nov 6, 19 10:16 am
tintt

I would like to spend the entire day ranting today. 

Nov 6, 19 10:27 am
tintt

Being called pedantic is an insult, right?

Nov 6, 19 10:32 am
Wood Guy

I choose to take it as a compliment. Often.

It’s an insult.

tintt

Does not feel like an insult. I'll take it as a compliment.

tintt

Just noticed this word is used in a concurrent thread! Total coincidence, not related to me being called one!

mightyaa

I had to look it up... So that means it is a ironic insult.

tintt

You mean AN ironic insult. Ha ha.

I'll have PEDANTIC shirts made later today to celebrate coming out as one... 

joseffischer

Aren't we paid to be pedantic?

SneakyPete

A pedant pays too much attention to the minute details that don't matter.

tintt

What is the term for someone who knows why details matter?

senjohnblutarsky

Usually, when I call someone pedantic, the word asshole follows. In my use, it's an insult.

SneakyPete

tintt, I'd suggest that term is Architect.

tintt

:)

atelier nobody

Well, technically, it's simply a descriptive term and carries no negative or positive value connotations.

archi_dude

Tintt's comment on the ARE thread wins in my opinion. 

Nov 7, 19 10:50 am

​Looks like placebeyondthesplines got their comments (and all the replies) in the same thread nuked.

Good riddance.

Formerlyunknown

They both threw some unfounded, potentially libelous accusations at each other. Subsequently placebeyondthesplines got a chunk of everyone's comments nuked from one thread, and then 2 days worth of Balkins' comments were nuked from all threads. They deserve each other.

Non Sequitur

just got an rfi looking for immediate action on a 11mm difference in a 35m long foundation wall. Also, TC was too far down the forum pages. 

Nov 13, 19 9:56 am
Chad Miller

converting to imperial units . . . WTF?

SneakyPete

*points at tolerance section referred to in specs*

Non Sequitur

We don't convert shit. metric or gtfo. (technically not true, we have 2 clients who insist on imperial garbage drawings but I don't touch those). Pete's got the right idea and we indicated a +\- tolerance on the foundation plan since we expected there to be some discrepancy given the length and awkward angle from prop line.

threeohdoor

I mean, I think that means that the show's over right? Pack up the gearboxes and go for some coffee.

threeohdoor

Honestly though, I'd love to hear more. A 4-5" "oops" on a foundation could royally f up a project in NYC, for instance.

Non Sequitur

4" to 5" certainly could... We had one 9-storey office building go up a few years ago that was about 150-200mm off axis because the contractor decided to scale the corner (of precast cladding) on the 1:400 scale site plan drawing. They decided this without sending an RFI and place the crane base skewed. Turned out not to be a catastrophe but I know the building's foundation went in crooked to the prop line and streetfront. 11mm (1/2") won't mean much on this project.

threeohdoor

Shows my 'Murican roots and inexperience with them 'commie' units that I read "mm" as "cm".

Non Sequitur

Ha. You're not forgiven.

Tell the contractor to rip the foundation out and do it right. FYI 11mm = 7/16”

Non Sequitur

My contractor's pencil is not that sharp Miles.

Tell them to caulk it. That should make things fun for the rest of the construction period.

Non Sequitur

ooooh, not only will that 100% work, it'll make for a great addition to the show me your caulk thread!

SneakyPete

Anyone familiar with the tolerances allowed for AESS Steel? You know, the stuff we specify when we want "tight" tolerances?

Non Sequitur

^is it referenced in terms of fractions of a football field?

SneakyPete

Fathoms, actually. :)

atelier nobody

Don't you mean 1/48 cubit?

SneakyPete

Right. What's a cubit?

tduds

7 Palms.

Non Sequitur

2/3 of a chain

SneakyPete

Two shakes of a lamb's tail.

In my experience, AESS is generally what everyone wants when they don't actually know what they want. In other words, they hope the contractor will carry some money in the budget for it, and they can figure out later what they want. The fact that you know there are different tolerances for AESS (one-half standard fabrication tolerances for Category AESS 2 and above) means you're ahead of the curve. 

I've also found that the same principle applies for 'architectural concrete' ... carry a little extra money in the budget and we can figure it out later. This of course usually means you'll end up with a sack and patch finish.

joseffischer

"my contractor's pencil is not that sharp" wow, thanks for that throw back, haven't heard that saying for a decade.

Non Sequitur

^ha. It comes up almost weekly in our office when reviewing junior staff drawings with nonsensical dimensions. "Suuuuuuure, they will set those wall c/l at 4128mm."

tintt
SneakyPete

Thanks, tintt. It's been years since I actually had to check the standard, good to know they've been modified. Seems I started to grow moss.

tduds

"my contractor's pencil is not that sharp" I love this. Hanging onto it for future use.

tduds

My old go-to is from a high school carpentry teacher: "We're not buildin' a piano."

I worked with a guy framing houses that would talk about how you can never expect framers to build something tighter than 1/8" tolerances because we only start with 10 fingers and that gives us two fingers we can lose before it gets too complicated to do the math. 

Another version was that most framers only had 8 fingers so the math works better. But that was usually reserved for why metric would never work in construction (he never really addressed why every other country seemed to be able to build things without issues in metric).

+1 for tintt's link. AISC has some great resources they put on their website for AESS since they updated the Code of Standard Practice in 2016 and updated the AESS section.

Bench

^ ^ God that is morbid....

Non Sequitur

I had a site meeting this morning and there were 17 fingers shared among both contractors. That story checks out.

Chad Miller

We try frame stud walls down to a 1/2" dimension. Rarely we will go to a 1/4". Never anything smaller.

Chad, 1/4" means you've made a lot of mistakes, or your other hand is busy holding the saw. For 1/2" ... I'm afraid you've made too many mistakes. You probably can't (and shouldn't) hold the saw anymore.

Occasionally we'd overlap on a job site with the drywall guys. They would shout out measurements like "thirty-four three," "forty-two four," or "thirty-one zero". I couldn't figure it out until someone explained the second number was the eights of an inch; 34-3/8", 42-1/2", and 31".

senjohnblutarsky

The only time I ever dimension 1/8" is when 3-5/8" metal studs are involved, or if I'm working with tight existing clearances, trying to prove a space can be accessible. 

Even dealing with masonry, I try to pick the side of the wall for dimensioning that will give me a nominal dimension rather than ending up with an eighth. 

Chad Miller

I should clarify, the 1/2" dimension is typically the allowed deviation from whole inches for stud wall framing. If you've got 1/2' dimensions there must be an odd occurrence somewhere you can't control. Only in extreme cases (such as custom mill work or existing buildings) do we allow 1/4" dimensions. At that point the offending dimension is given a +/-. I personally never allow any 1/8" dimensions on walls.  We've found this to work quite well when doing metal stud wall framing.  

Also to clarify, I'm not talking about dimensions on drawings to fractions of an inch. I'm talking about cutting lumber and sheathing that will be put into the building. Laying out walls and such, your framers probably don't need anything more detailed than a 1/2 inch on the plans. This particular 'lesson' was more about teaching new people like my teen-aged self at the time, that when you get up in the trusses and you're asking the guy on the ground to cut you a piece of roof sheathing to the 1/16 inch, that's too detailed and you don't need to worry about it. 1/8 inch is more than detailed enough for rough carpentry.

SneakyPete

3-5/8" metal studs, for some reason used by many architects on new buildings when 4" metal studs are available.

SneakyPete, it’s not the size of the stud, but how you use it that matters.

Happy Anarchy

sneaky...its cause you can put a 3 1/2" wood stud at door frame to avoid moving/wobbly walls when you slam the door. the 3 5/8" slides right over any 2"x4"...

SneakyPete

If a 3-5/8" stud slides over, wouldn't a 4"?

SneakyPete

Also, allowing door frames to drive the entire project's stud size seems a bit daft to me.

Non Sequitur

Rather big oversight from the design team.

Oversight is an understatement.

Non Sequitur

I was trying to make a pun.

Yes, over and under

Non Sequitur

it's going to be a long day

curtkram

the architect said "covering the top of the grates would literally destroy the project." how do you communicate to a diva designer li ke this that their project is shit and destroying everything they've ever done would be an improvement? I've found designers don't like being told this.

Non Sequitur

Is a slap to the face an appropriate response in this case?


liberty bell

Hi curtkram!! I’m with you 100%!

They are simply providing a well-rounded education.

tduds

Small world - the author of that Post article is my sister in law!

I'm also taking a guess that the spacing of the bars in the grating wouldn't allow for many heels. What a terrible design.

tduds

"covering the top of the grates would literally destroy the project." This quote makes me so angry. The gall... the absolute (unearned) entitlement.

EA, it’s close...

citizen

You might be able to see an actual gall bladder or two if you stand just right, tduds

tduds

0_0

tintt

Easy. Just dictate that there are no skirts or dresses allowed in the library.

Non Sequitur

^What about Kilts?

citizen

^ or culottes?

tduds

Just imagine how much slicker the execution of this concept would be with etched glass instead of the grates. Not only does it solve the plainly obvious problem of making 50% of the human population uncomfortable, it's a (subjectively, yes) better looking design. All I can think of is the elegance of seeing other library patrons throughout the stacks as occluded shadows - ghostly projections - rather than literal human beings peering up at your crotch. All the different & constantly changing ways light and shadow might play through the "translucent" stacks would be such a wonderful, placid experience for researchers and readers alike. Ugh. What a missed opportunity.

I assume this qualifies me for tenure at Cornell. If someone so oblivious can get it...

tintt

Reminds me of some of the agricultural projects I worked on here in flyover country.

citizen

That first photo of the stacks structure in the Metropolis story is, I think, compelling and visually exciting. I can see how an inexperienced designer would come up with this and hold on tight in the face of loud criticism. 

If it just weren't for those darned people, with their annoying preferences and irksome complaints, everything would be perfect.

Mr_Wiggin

Never thought the oil rig aesthetic made for good design, but here we are, an oil rig with book shelves.

If only the architect were inexperienced. This is an alum legacy project.

Added, the concept is fairly simple. It’s the spatial (and decorative)
opposite of Olin Library on the other side of campus.

archanonymous

It's also incredibly difficult to turn a wheelchair around on this type of surface. Or use crutches. Or wear heels.

citizen

Or bare feet.

@ArchA if I recall the aisles are too narrow to turn around in. Roll in, back out

geezertect

Or drop your keys.

And architects wonder why we are the laughing stock of the building industry.

citizen

LOL. I just pictured a horror flick wherein some poor young woman in a mini-skirt and heels is being chased through those stacks when she drops her keys and loses her only chance of escape. All it needs is a catchy title!

b3tadine[sutures]

I think the only solution here is to have men get the books for women. #smh

threeohdoor

That's essentially the ADA loop-hole for the new Queen's Public Library. There are certain areas where folks with disabilities cannot reach...must ask a librarian to fetch the book. A great example of how "building to code" can be a disaster for operations and function.

placemaker

Ha! They gave hardhat tours of that library at Cornell's spring open house. The skirt issue was the first thing I thought of. Water bottle and coffee spills present an additional hazard, for library patrons and books alike

I've often surmised that good architectural ideas get better the more you analyze and challenge them. The bad ones may seem good at first glance, but crumble under scrutiny.

lol, this is ridiculous. I expect an update/renovation is in the future, where ventilation is resolved and the ground is something other than grating. It is cool to look at, but I think the challenge for any architect is to keep the concept and not have to worry about boots dripping mud onto books and people, never mind the whole upskirt thing. This HAD to be a conversation in the office at one point.

“ In response to these criticisms, architect Wolfgang Tschapeller M.Arch ’87, who designed the renovation, urged visitors to respect each other and not look up, Metropolis Magazine reported.”

“ In response to these criticisms, architect Wolfgang Tschapeller M.Arch ’87, who designed the renovation, urged visitors to respect each other and not look up, Metropolis Magazine reported.”

citizen

That is priceless, Marc. Thanks for posting. Out of touch, anyone? 

Elsewhere, pedestrians have been asked to "walk lightly" over outdated, crumbling bridges. "Tip-toeing can be fun!" gushed one pointy-headed designer.

liberty bell

Didn’t Ochshorn, quoted in that article, also report the Rem building at Cornell to the code officials back when it first opened?

The very same

I guess, it's good to have a hobby?

atelier nobody

How many hours in a week do you suppose are wasted watching spinning cursors and creeping progress bars?

Nov 18, 19 1:45 pm
axonapoplectic

It’s not wasted time. It’s mental break time.

atelier nobody

And Archinect time...but sometimes it just gets ridiculous.

mightyaa

I 'lose' about 15 minutes every morning just booting. That's when I get my coffee, chat with co-workers, etc.

Chad Miller

You have a crappy computer if it's taking that long.

I haven't had to wait 15 minutes to boot up in the morning since Windows XP.

Non Sequitur

I never turn off my station...

Chad Miller

You never leave your station . . .

Non Sequitur

I leave all the time. Like, for example, when I need to refill my coffee cup or purchase a replacement bottle of scotch. Shessss, so much hate.

Chad Miller

No bathroom breaks , ewwww.

Non Sequitur

ain't got time for no pee break.

citizen

So... diapers, then?

Non Sequitur

nah, those need to be replaced. More like a hole in the floor. Melts my igloo tho, so must be careful.

Archlandia

go-girl.com

atelier nobody

My computer boots just fine, but it takes almost a full minute to open a Word file (I think it has something to do with the company's network security stuff). When most of my day consists of making small changes in a couple hundred Word files, it adds up. It also affects batch processes on Word files, but that's not to bad IF I have something else to work on that's not in Word so I can set it and forget it, but when I don't have anything else to do, I sometimes spend most of a day watching progress bars.

I've asked for a second desktop, so I have one I can keep working on while running batch processes on the other - but I guess they'd rather keep paying me to spend all day on Archinect...

Chad Miller

NS, you're Canadian so your wee is basically maple syrup

atelier nobody

Chad, and you know this how?

Archlandia

Maple showers bring bae flowers.. or something like that?

Chad Miller

alterlier, I know this because it's Canada and EVERYTHING tastes a bit like maple syrup there.

Non Sequitur

Chad, you're not incorrect.

Non Sequitur

'eh

Chad Miller

take off, eh!

Non Sequitur

Hey la, st’i tabarnak!

Chad Miller

Watch your fucking mouth.

Non Sequitur

I will. Thanks for the tip.

curtkram

by the way, letterkenny is the funniest show ever

archanonymous

Any archinectors have tips for getting over burnout? I did about 18 months of 60-100 hour weeks and finally had enough and just quit... That was 2 months ago and I've been working 40s since in a slightly different (but still stressful) role at the same firm. 


I don't seem to be bouncing back to my usually curious, motivated, architecturally inquisitive self. 




Not that it matters but I'm pa level with 10 years experience.

Nov 21, 19 9:39 am

Some serious time off, a sabbatical, or maybe it’s firm burn and you need to make a switch, like going solo.

archi_dude

Actually backing out for a bit and doing something fun without so much pressure. Either something remote with minimal input to use your spare time to dive into a deeper level of any hobbies you might have. Or something just random and kinda fun like attempting to be a captain and crew yachts. Just have some fun. Someone put it really well I forget who when they said something along the lines of I dont consider my career to be some competition or end all be all but something I do for living. If i stop liking it i do something else to earn a living

atelier nobody

You've removed your hand from the flame, but the damage done will still take time to heal. If your bank account will allow it, taking some time off may help; moving to another firm may help; or just staying where you are but focusing on hobbies/meditation/whatever in your off time could do it.

Whatever you do will take time, though.

archanonymous

Thanks for the good perspectives everyone. I was thinking back to post thesis-year and remembering it took me over a year to really recover and get my groove back. I hope it doesn't take that long this time.

Non Sequitur

Damn, nothing in this profession is worth that kind of punishment. Mental health is far more important than whatever project is currently in front of you.

joseffischer

I could just not do 100 hour work weeks at any consistency. That's not healthy at all. Without any family/non-work obligations in my 20s we had a 4 month period where we were doing 5 16s, a 12 and an 8. I lived 2 blocks from the office and walked. Lunch and dinner were provided. That's 100 hours. The entire team got a bonus effective immediately after that project as well. Now, I can do 18s if necessary, but can only pull of an 8 after that. I can also do 3 14s, 2 10s and maybe an 8, but not work Sunday, for maybe 3 weeks in a row. Any more than that and my family life would literally fall apart.

axonapoplectic

I’m going through burnout too. I was heading up CA on a massive project that is finally starting to wind down. I think there are only two of us left from the original team. I am pa

axonapoplectic

i am planning a week off a couple months after close out. Am Going someplace exotic. Plus I’m supposed to work on something even bigger than this when I get back.

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