everyone fantasizes about me when i walk down the street. As it happens I don't need to fantasize back ;-)
dunno about psychology. I get the concept, but when it comes to work it's a bit dangerous. Like those guys who read a book about the signs that indicate a girl is into a guy and then starts making unwanted advances cuz those "tells" are not always telling the true story. If you are talking EQ, sure that's all great and good. I think you guys are talking about something less savoury somehow....my bad perhaps.
I'm not. I dislike assumption, but I use empathy and such to gauge where things are emotionally. I'm not playing doctor and I'm certainly not out to fleece anyone.
wow miles. that link can sure make a good day go bad. why haven't the proletariat violently overthrown the bourgeois in this country? what's wrong with us?
Wait - that article is a joke, yes? But there *is* a resort in Dubai that has chilled tubing under the sand to make the beach more comfy for its guests.
You guys, Hella Jongerius is absolutely the best designer working on the planet right now. Her Maharam fabric, Repeat (shown below on the couch) is my favorite textile ever in the history of the world.
In normal circumstances a strong currency is desirable but these are not normal times. A weaker currency drastically helps exports. Currency wars have been raging for seveal years now and it is a race to the bottom.
With respect to dollar/euro, it's actually been quite amusing to watch the news cycles over the past few years. The Fed announces more qe then the dollar drops, then leaks start saying that the Greece or Spain is flaring up and suddenly the euro starts to drop. Probably due for another round of euro-crisis any minute now as german exporters (for example, adidas) are getting pissed. Funny thing is that the euro politicians have boxed themselves into a corner because they keep insisting euro-crisis is over (its not) but they stil need a drastically weaker currency. And since the dollar is still reserve currency with unlimited ability to print it's still in best shape to win race to the bottm.
The Euro/dollar launched at parity. When a Euro cost $1.60, a vacation to Europe make a real dent. Now, it's a little easier to take. When a hotel is priced at 78 Euros, the value the Europeans are placing on that hotel room is theoretically $78, in their funds. With the current exchange, that room costs us $105 per night, and $108 with the credit card fees. Over 2 to 3 weeks, it adds up.
With the Canadian, they also have an implicit pricing scheme. The quick way to check the values is to see the prices they assign to the same automobiles, since we have our cars in common. Years back, I was looking at a particular car model. In the U.S., the base price, before options, was $22,000 U.S. In Canada, it was $28,000 CDN. That tells me the implied value between the currencies is that $1 US dollar ought to buy $1.27 CDN. You can even see it in how they price a Metro ticket. At $1.05, we are way below that.
Today, America is mourning 50 years since President JFK died. I don't look at the footage, having seen it before, but it is pretty much etched in most people's minds. What a dynasty and media circuses that created with Jackie and her remarriage to Onassis, JFK Jr. and his movie star girlfriends, and Carolyn, though the latter appears to have led a more conventional and less scrutinized life. One can only theorize how a full term or two of JFK in the White House would have played out. Those, too, were turbulent and convoluted times, with Communism 90 miles south of Key West FL while the feel good Eisenhower era also kept rolling simultaneously. Still, I think things are worse today, unless you consider the internet, social media, and feel good liberalism and anarchy to be improvements in our quality of life. *ducking tomatoes*
Don't forget to add thta Gerge hw Bu$h killed JKF. Also, Georg W Bu$h killed Jfk jr. That's what got him the election in 2000. Jon jon had been privately investigating the assasination for years. His magazine wasn't named "Georgre" after Washington but rather after Bush and it was a signal that he was coming after him. Plan was to use the magazine as a platform to tell america the truth and eventually launch his own bid for presidency. Didn't work. What was the quote from tv show? "when you play the gam of thrones, you win or you die."
Will, you might be interested in Theory of Mind. What it means is that we all have maps in our brains of other people's neural systems. You are already automatically mapping the intentions and motivations of a waitress for instance, when she reaches down for your water glass you know she is just bussing your table (she isn't going to drink your water). Awareness of this innate ability will perhaps allow you use it better, it is really quite useful.
P.S. I hate it when sales people read pop psychology books and try to label me with a certain personality type and then give me their sales pitch based on who they think I am or when douchebags read self-help books and think they are now god. That is not good psychology, but I'm not willing to just throw the baby out with the bathwater because of these poor applications.
Life is too complex, isn't it? curtkram, you're doing such amazing work over on that traditional thread. I love your tone - how overly-logical you're being. It's a beautiful thing to watch. I've disengaged from it because it really is the new Hi All You Fancy Graphics Lovers!
What does it say about our world that the huge debate used to be about a radically new approach to making things and now it's about whether we should build everything like the Greeks did?! It says we have a world full of scared people, I think. God knows I'm scared. The Textastrophe thing has me absolutely furious to a level I know is unhealthy for my blood pressure. It's one step away from Hunter Moore. Why does our society let people become successful via such horrid acts?
So I'm interested in the Parametricism thread now because if Schumacher is actually interested in talking to us I think we should be paying attention AND being respectful until he proves directly he doesn't deserve it. Then again, maybe we should go ahead and attack him and Zaha for the way they seem to calmly accept truly - truly - horrid abuse of other humans?
Like Louis CK said there's no end to what humans can achieve if we don't give a fuck about other people.
Steven Ward, I do envy your ability to consistently stay on a positive, considered level of involvement with people here. Of course you haven't been posting much lately….
what is textastrophe? i googled it, and it looks someone who makes prank calls with texts instead of voice? some are quite funny, and they seem harmless. they're obvious enough that after about 5 texts people should know they're being pranked, and while it might cost the person $0.50, i doubt that is really going to cause much harm.
I'm not so sure. I think he's mostly about his soapbox, or various soapboxes. We've all got ours. Mine is hipsters, granolas, packaged liberals, and artsy-fartsy a-schools ... and practitioners who look more like eccentrics than credible professionals when boarding the "forward section" of the aircraft, since they can afford to fly up front with the savings they might amass from those willing to work for them at less than market rates, if that is indeed the case, to hopefully catch some of that stardust.
Well, since you asked, I'll tell you. I had a different read of you earlier on and then read some posts I found confusing.
You seemed like a salt-of-the earth New Englander who had tried living in other places, had done a few different things, is mostly practical, has or had a crusty old-school Irish grandpa, is married to a Carioca (a person from Rio de Janeiro, for those who don't know), and therefore a "water off a duck's back" kind of guy.
Then, you got irked at the ethnic stuff I alluded to in some of my posts because I think the differences are humorous, quite acceptable in major urban areas, and more so in the past, if not hateful, and I got the finger shaken at me, for which I was taken aback. I am not a fan of the melting pot mentality. Sorry. Check out my recent posts on the Rio de Janeiro blog for a member's posts on his travels, and you will see that I am less obtuse than what some might think. I get out there and mix with the locals, and can get down and dirty. Making observations and evaluating social phenomenon is part of traveling. They do it all the time in "Lonely Planet" books and no one calls them on it, but maybe because, after looking at the photos of the authors, they are kind of granola, so maybe they get a "pass" whereas I wouldn't.
How about a Salt of the Earth Cowboy....lol.. lived in a lot of places. Fortunate enough to have danced with the elite, and shared meals with the less fortunate. Value mankind more than religion. However i have the comfort of both lines of families going back to soldiers for American Independence. Oh bye the way I live in New England but I'm not from New England. I have lived in Cities of millions and I have lived on a ranch with 40,000 acres set among the Lakota People. I would say my Irish Grandfather was not crusty, but an man well ahead of his time when it comes to ranching. He taught his sons to understand the grass lands, and they their sons. I was just not in the mix, so pursued Architecture and never looked back. I have never met an ethnic smile I didn't like. I have no time for people who do nothing but have their head in the sky and do nothing. I believe in mankind and do all I can do for mankind no matter who they are or where they have been.
I think it's appalling to "punk" people in almost any situation. I think it's especially appalling to try to justify the abuse and condemn those people as deserving of being harassed because they committed the apparently unacceptable mistake of posting their phone number in public - as if that's a sin in this society?! And I'm especially angry that mr textastrophe thinks it's fine to abuse and make fun of a person whose life us so lacking in options that they offer to !clean peoples houses for money! as a way to survive. How exactly is someone supposed to improve their lot in life, or feel compelled to try to do so, if they live in a world where entitled shits with an internet connection - like myself - make fun of their efforts?
If someone did this to me I would want them to be dead. There's so much stress and meanness in the world already: why do we think it's acceptable - and funny! - to be awful to people who haven't anything at all wrong?!
As my friend Tenzin, a Buddhist monk, said: "if you are a good person we wish you long life and good health ... but if you're not we hope you die soon because there is enough trouble in the world already.
I have no time for people who do nothing but have their head in the sky and do nothing. I believe in mankind and do all I can do for mankind no matter who they are or where they have been.
Well, I don't understand this part. You can live and let live, without having to be a bleeding heart toward anyone and everyone. I don't make an effort to become involved with people when I travel. Sometimes it happens that I strike up a friendship in a foreign land, and sometimes it doesn't. In a way, I sort of understand a little more, though. if you were a native New Englander, you would be attuned to the old boy Irish-Italian political machines in the area, and the Portuguese entrenchment in RI and MA, while upper New England is a different bird, be it in ethnicity, religion, increased stoicism, and level of liberalism. One is just making a comment about social realities. It's cumbersome and unrealistic to roll out the welcome wagon for every single person out there to prove to yourself that you are a good person. I'm not biting on that one.
ob, while you're being remotely judgmental, where do I fall in your perception of the virtual world?
Remotely judgmental? Funny! Let's see. As long as you've been posting on here, you don't have a read on most of the people?
You're someone who can do Massapequa or Montauk, sort of like a chameleon. You grew up in a professional household, so you know the ropes around people with money, with class or without class, and then, with the in-your-faceness of the Island, you know the score on everyone there. Also, since you've been exposed to the craziness of the generation before and the selfishness and conformity of the generation after, you understand both. I think you can play PC and play nice, but I think you've got some pretty concrete ideas about the human condition, mostly in the U.S., and about who's full of shit and who isn't.
I'd love to see some Myers-Briggs readouts on most of the regulars here. This ain't the horoscope. It's applied psychology and has been statistically tested. I doubt there are many ##TJ types on here, the last 2 of which are Thinking and Judging, and more ##FP types, which mean Feeling and Perceiving. The rule of thumb is that TJs and FPs aren't well suited to each other and don't make good collaborators.
I remember someone wet behind the ears trying to tell someone more world-weary the score from their viewpoint of naievete, political correctness, and "saving the world."
observant...but I helped save 600 turkey on ice...to people who might not have had turkey for thanksgiving...Hoping I'm not a bad guy for that.
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the political correctness that extends into loving everybody, as in becoming enmeshed with them. As someone I know said "God loves you, doesn't mean I have to."
Take the on-line Myers Briggs, and then we'll talk.
Here's the test, with its 72 questions. It will give you your Jungian profile. You can then look further into it, possibly on this same site, or on another site by typing in the result acronym. It also gives career aptitudes on various sites. Find out if you should have been an architect, or be studying it.
curt, if a person goes into a college advising situation, they give this test within a battery of tests. No college, except maybe some experimental new age college, would give you an astrology test. I think they'd have to answer to that. On the other hand, legitimate colleges don't have to answer to the validity of the advising type tests they give.
I am an INFP (compassionate, outside-the-box-thinker), grew up with an ESTJ (maintainer-of-the-status-quo) brother. I'm a stop and smell the roses person and my brother is wondering who put those damn roses right there, know what I mean? Childhood was hell. Married to an ENFP (warm, friendly and flexible). The FP parts matter, and so does the NF for compatibility.
And on that texting thing, I must've read it backwards. I thought the kid was an idiot, and we were supposed to be laughing at him. I didn't realize the joke was supposed to be on the cleaning lady.
I am an INFP (compassionate, outside-the-box-thinker), grew up with an ESTJ (maintainer-of-the-status-quo) brother. I'm a stop and smell the roses person and my brother is wondering who put those damn roses right there, know what I mean? Childhood was hell.
So, tint, you'd believe an ISTJ then? It doesn't mean I don't talk to random people. I often do. Especially if traveling. It just means too many meetings or large crowds require a period to recharge. Either STJ, be it E or I, is the most common of the profiles among men. That's just a statistic I read. I think that, except for my mom, everybody in my immediate family has to be STJs.
My turn, Observant!
Sarah, oh man. How did this take this turn? We went on a t a m m u z tangent about soapboxes and now I've got a FREE booth at a carnival. I think you like people, in general, and your dad must be cool, as well as the other men in your life, because you roll with the guys on here like a real trooper. You cut people slack, but you know an ass hole when you see one, and can contain your emotions in a situations and deflect/defuse them in an appropriate manner.
I took the Jung test and came up ADHD.
Haha. It ought to kick out more creative acronyms for some people. I can think of 2 - OTR (needs no explanation) and FUBR (fucked up beyond repair) right away, among the many that are out there. But it would lose its validity, though some of you see it as sorcery. This sort of stuff is even employed in HR scenarios.
tanks for the advice tint. my sun sign is cancer, my moon sign is gemini.
it came up in that schumacher news thread that some people, like thayer, act the same way consistently across multiple threads. he trolls the same way for me or for donna or for tammuz as he does for patrik schumacher. others try to maintain a more respectable disposition depending on the environment. personally, i'm going to try to avoid trolling in this thread the way i troll in the 'historic architecture' thread. in the schumacher thread, i think it would be interesting to have a conversation with him, since he has a position that has been spread so widely across the profession. to that end, i'm going to try to avoid creating a hostile environment that he wouldn't want to be a part of. i'll call out tammuz for being a dick in the thanksgiving blood thread, but i'll stay quite and avoid fanning the flame in the schumacher thread.
the point is, we aren't seeing the whole person here. even if thayer is consistently a dumbass on the internet, that doesn't mean he's consistently a dumbass. observant is taking this little bit he knows, and extrapolating it to form a judgement on other aspects of their lives. i believe if you were to judge me as a person based only on the 'historic' thread, you would see me as a different person compared to judging me based solely on TC, which is different that if you took the two and tried to develop a broader picture. either way, none of those really reflect my life outside of the internet. because of that, i sincerely believe this notion of developing a fictional character around people using meyers-brigg is no more or less useful than creating a fictional character around astrology signs. until you're in an environment where you're making judgements on things that happen, it's all just fiction. in my experience, things tend to work out better when informed by real life rather than fantasies, and because of that it would be better for people to recognize which parts of their mental image are fact and which are fiction.
observant is taking this little bit he knows, and extrapolating it to form a judgement on other aspects of their lives.
Not true, curt. I am interested in the Jungian label for 2 reasons: 1) for its applicability to career planning, and 2) because the final TJ or FP make for vastly different processing and interpersonal modes. I can't walk down the street and pin a Meyers-Briggs label on someone. However, I do sense when someone processes something way more differently than I do. Within the last 5 years, I served as a jury foreman (the other jurors volunteered me - imagine that) and it was nothing short of frustrating. It resulted in a hung jury, for a mountain out of a mole hill. Why? Some of us wanted to construct the elements of the case in terms of sequence and logic, while others were relying on intuition and emotion. By the way, the kid, or young adult, was black, or African-American, whichever is PC on 11/24/13, and I voted to acquit because the facts the policeman was presenting did not stack up convincingly. If anyone was prejudiced, it was probably the cop ... and about 2 or 3 other jurors.
I spent all of high school living with my dad, and not my mom. Way to go, Obs.
And I get what you're saying about needing to know how people process. I often have a hard time working with women in east Texas because I'm not as emotional in my decision making. And I don't mean that as an insult, or some sort of mysogeny. I'm just too out-front and blunt about things, and I end up insulting people when I never meant to. I just get along better with men. I know how it works, and where I stand.
Worst part is that I'm Texan all the way, but not East Texan, and there's a big difference. Like eastern and western PA. Sucks. I've lost a few friends.
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everyone fantasizes about me when i walk down the street. As it happens I don't need to fantasize back ;-)
dunno about psychology. I get the concept, but when it comes to work it's a bit dangerous. Like those guys who read a book about the signs that indicate a girl is into a guy and then starts making unwanted advances cuz those "tells" are not always telling the true story. If you are talking EQ, sure that's all great and good. I think you guys are talking about something less savoury somehow....my bad perhaps.
I'm not. I dislike assumption, but I use empathy and such to gauge where things are emotionally. I'm not playing doctor and I'm certainly not out to fleece anyone.
My world is so ridiculous I don't have to make up a back story.
Derwood Hodgegrass is the typical client here in Vulgaria.
wow miles. that link can sure make a good day go bad. why haven't the proletariat violently overthrown the bourgeois in this country? what's wrong with us?
Thanks Miles, my friday is now ruined because of that article.
Wait - that article is a joke, yes? But there *is* a resort in Dubai that has chilled tubing under the sand to make the beach more comfy for its guests.
You guys, Hella Jongerius is absolutely the best designer working on the planet right now. Her Maharam fabric, Repeat (shown below on the couch) is my favorite textile ever in the history of the world.
Cool, perfect timing actually, because I've figured out how to electrify salt water in front of Billionaire residences from my Ski-Doo.
LOL, beta!
I just dropped $362 on keeping my registration current. Sorry, children, guess you won't be getting any Christmas presents this year!
so - one of the heavy-hitters in the 2014 Massachusetts gubernatorial race is saying the state needs to "seriously explore" single payer healthcare.
I don't know if this guy will win, but because of his credentials it will definitely set the tone for the upcoming race. Should be interesting.
Do you guys think this is really Patrick Schumaker posting? I think it is.
In normal circumstances a strong currency is desirable but these are not normal times. A weaker currency drastically helps exports. Currency wars have been raging for seveal years now and it is a race to the bottom.
With respect to dollar/euro, it's actually been quite amusing to watch the news cycles over the past few years. The Fed announces more qe then the dollar drops, then leaks start saying that the Greece or Spain is flaring up and suddenly the euro starts to drop. Probably due for another round of euro-crisis any minute now as german exporters (for example, adidas) are getting pissed. Funny thing is that the euro politicians have boxed themselves into a corner because they keep insisting euro-crisis is over (its not) but they stil need a drastically weaker currency. And since the dollar is still reserve currency with unlimited ability to print it's still in best shape to win race to the bottm.
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Well, were sort of doubly screwed, as Americans.
The Euro/dollar launched at parity. When a Euro cost $1.60, a vacation to Europe make a real dent. Now, it's a little easier to take. When a hotel is priced at 78 Euros, the value the Europeans are placing on that hotel room is theoretically $78, in their funds. With the current exchange, that room costs us $105 per night, and $108 with the credit card fees. Over 2 to 3 weeks, it adds up.
With the Canadian, they also have an implicit pricing scheme. The quick way to check the values is to see the prices they assign to the same automobiles, since we have our cars in common. Years back, I was looking at a particular car model. In the U.S., the base price, before options, was $22,000 U.S. In Canada, it was $28,000 CDN. That tells me the implied value between the currencies is that $1 US dollar ought to buy $1.27 CDN. You can even see it in how they price a Metro ticket. At $1.05, we are way below that.
Sure, it helps exports. That goes without saying.
Today, America is mourning 50 years since President JFK died. I don't look at the footage, having seen it before, but it is pretty much etched in most people's minds. What a dynasty and media circuses that created with Jackie and her remarriage to Onassis, JFK Jr. and his movie star girlfriends, and Carolyn, though the latter appears to have led a more conventional and less scrutinized life. One can only theorize how a full term or two of JFK in the White House would have played out. Those, too, were turbulent and convoluted times, with Communism 90 miles south of Key West FL while the feel good Eisenhower era also kept rolling simultaneously. Still, I think things are worse today, unless you consider the internet, social media, and feel good liberalism and anarchy to be improvements in our quality of life. *ducking tomatoes*
moar feel good american news. catch this story of a man arrested 100 times in florida. including for trespessing in the store he works at?
Don't forget to add thta Gerge hw Bu$h killed JKF. Also, Georg W Bu$h killed Jfk jr. That's what got him the election in 2000. Jon jon had been privately investigating the assasination for years. His magazine wasn't named "Georgre" after Washington but rather after Bush and it was a signal that he was coming after him. Plan was to use the magazine as a platform to tell america the truth and eventually launch his own bid for presidency. Didn't work. What was the quote from tv show? "when you play the gam of thrones, you win or you die."
Do you guys think this is really Patrick Schumaker posting? I think it is.
Must be, I can smell it from here.
In the news today:
Buddhist Extremist Cell Vows To Unleash Tranquility On West
does tammuz read thread central? that might put a bit of fear in him miles.
I think fear is one of tammy's driving forces.
Will, you might be interested in Theory of Mind. What it means is that we all have maps in our brains of other people's neural systems. You are already automatically mapping the intentions and motivations of a waitress for instance, when she reaches down for your water glass you know she is just bussing your table (she isn't going to drink your water). Awareness of this innate ability will perhaps allow you use it better, it is really quite useful.
P.S. I hate it when sales people read pop psychology books and try to label me with a certain personality type and then give me their sales pitch based on who they think I am or when douchebags read self-help books and think they are now god. That is not good psychology, but I'm not willing to just throw the baby out with the bathwater because of these poor applications.
This video made the the rounds at work this last week. Thought there would be some women and parents that will appreciate it here.
Life is too complex, isn't it? curtkram, you're doing such amazing work over on that traditional thread. I love your tone - how overly-logical you're being. It's a beautiful thing to watch. I've disengaged from it because it really is the new Hi All You Fancy Graphics Lovers!
What does it say about our world that the huge debate used to be about a radically new approach to making things and now it's about whether we should build everything like the Greeks did?! It says we have a world full of scared people, I think. God knows I'm scared. The Textastrophe thing has me absolutely furious to a level I know is unhealthy for my blood pressure. It's one step away from Hunter Moore. Why does our society let people become successful via such horrid acts?
So I'm interested in the Parametricism thread now because if Schumacher is actually interested in talking to us I think we should be paying attention AND being respectful until he proves directly he doesn't deserve it. Then again, maybe we should go ahead and attack him and Zaha for the way they seem to calmly accept truly - truly - horrid abuse of other humans?
Like Louis CK said there's no end to what humans can achieve if we don't give a fuck about other people.
Steven Ward, I do envy your ability to consistently stay on a positive, considered level of involvement with people here. Of course you haven't been posting much lately….
what is textastrophe? i googled it, and it looks someone who makes prank calls with texts instead of voice? some are quite funny, and they seem harmless. they're obvious enough that after about 5 texts people should know they're being pranked, and while it might cost the person $0.50, i doubt that is really going to cause much harm.
I think fear is one of tammy's driving forces.
I'm not so sure. I think he's mostly about his soapbox, or various soapboxes. We've all got ours. Mine is hipsters, granolas, packaged liberals, and artsy-fartsy a-schools ... and practitioners who look more like eccentrics than credible professionals when boarding the "forward section" of the aircraft, since they can afford to fly up front with the savings they might amass from those willing to work for them at less than market rates, if that is indeed the case, to hopefully catch some of that stardust.
observant....what is your take on me....?
I see the mice spinning the wheel....lol
observant....what is your take on me....?
Well, since you asked, I'll tell you. I had a different read of you earlier on and then read some posts I found confusing.
You seemed like a salt-of-the earth New Englander who had tried living in other places, had done a few different things, is mostly practical, has or had a crusty old-school Irish grandpa, is married to a Carioca (a person from Rio de Janeiro, for those who don't know), and therefore a "water off a duck's back" kind of guy.
Then, you got irked at the ethnic stuff I alluded to in some of my posts because I think the differences are humorous, quite acceptable in major urban areas, and more so in the past, if not hateful, and I got the finger shaken at me, for which I was taken aback. I am not a fan of the melting pot mentality. Sorry. Check out my recent posts on the Rio de Janeiro blog for a member's posts on his travels, and you will see that I am less obtuse than what some might think. I get out there and mix with the locals, and can get down and dirty. Making observations and evaluating social phenomenon is part of traveling. They do it all the time in "Lonely Planet" books and no one calls them on it, but maybe because, after looking at the photos of the authors, they are kind of granola, so maybe they get a "pass" whereas I wouldn't.
Thorough enough, s-d-d?
How about a Salt of the Earth Cowboy....lol.. lived in a lot of places. Fortunate enough to have danced with the elite, and shared meals with the less fortunate. Value mankind more than religion. However i have the comfort of both lines of families going back to soldiers for American Independence. Oh bye the way I live in New England but I'm not from New England. I have lived in Cities of millions and I have lived on a ranch with 40,000 acres set among the Lakota People. I would say my Irish Grandfather was not crusty, but an man well ahead of his time when it comes to ranching. He taught his sons to understand the grass lands, and they their sons. I was just not in the mix, so pursued Architecture and never looked back. I have never met an ethnic smile I didn't like. I have no time for people who do nothing but have their head in the sky and do nothing. I believe in mankind and do all I can do for mankind no matter who they are or where they have been.
ob, while you're being remotely judgmental, where do I fall in your perception of the virtual world?
I think it's appalling to "punk" people in almost any situation. I think it's especially appalling to try to justify the abuse and condemn those people as deserving of being harassed because they committed the apparently unacceptable mistake of posting their phone number in public - as if that's a sin in this society?! And I'm especially angry that mr textastrophe thinks it's fine to abuse and make fun of a person whose life us so lacking in options that they offer to !clean peoples houses for money! as a way to survive. How exactly is someone supposed to improve their lot in life, or feel compelled to try to do so, if they live in a world where entitled shits with an internet connection - like myself - make fun of their efforts?
If someone did this to me I would want them to be dead. There's so much stress and meanness in the world already: why do we think it's acceptable - and funny! - to be awful to people who haven't anything at all wrong?!
As my friend Tenzin, a Buddhist monk, said: "if you are a good person we wish you long life and good health ... but if you're not we hope you die soon because there is enough trouble in the world already.
I have no time for people who do nothing but have their head in the sky and do nothing. I believe in mankind and do all I can do for mankind no matter who they are or where they have been.
Well, I don't understand this part. You can live and let live, without having to be a bleeding heart toward anyone and everyone. I don't make an effort to become involved with people when I travel. Sometimes it happens that I strike up a friendship in a foreign land, and sometimes it doesn't. In a way, I sort of understand a little more, though. if you were a native New Englander, you would be attuned to the old boy Irish-Italian political machines in the area, and the Portuguese entrenchment in RI and MA, while upper New England is a different bird, be it in ethnicity, religion, increased stoicism, and level of liberalism. One is just making a comment about social realities. It's cumbersome and unrealistic to roll out the welcome wagon for every single person out there to prove to yourself that you are a good person. I'm not biting on that one.
ob, while you're being remotely judgmental, where do I fall in your perception of the virtual world?
Remotely judgmental? Funny! Let's see. As long as you've been posting on here, you don't have a read on most of the people?
You're someone who can do Massapequa or Montauk, sort of like a chameleon. You grew up in a professional household, so you know the ropes around people with money, with class or without class, and then, with the in-your-faceness of the Island, you know the score on everyone there. Also, since you've been exposed to the craziness of the generation before and the selfishness and conformity of the generation after, you understand both. I think you can play PC and play nice, but I think you've got some pretty concrete ideas about the human condition, mostly in the U.S., and about who's full of shit and who isn't.
I'd love to see some Myers-Briggs readouts on most of the regulars here. This ain't the horoscope. It's applied psychology and has been statistically tested. I doubt there are many ##TJ types on here, the last 2 of which are Thinking and Judging, and more ##FP types, which mean Feeling and Perceiving. The rule of thumb is that TJs and FPs aren't well suited to each other and don't make good collaborators.
Level-headed and practical, but I don't have a good read. We've never tangled. It's easier to remember and analyze those you've tangled with.
observant...but I helped save 600 turkey on ice...to people who might not have had turkey for thanksgiving...Hoping I'm not a bad guy for that.
We've tangled before, what do you have for me?
I remember someone wet behind the ears trying to tell someone more world-weary the score from their viewpoint of naievete, political correctness, and "saving the world."
observant...but I helped save 600 turkey on ice...to people who might not have had turkey for thanksgiving...Hoping I'm not a bad guy for that.
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the political correctness that extends into loving everybody, as in becoming enmeshed with them. As someone I know said "God loves you, doesn't mean I have to."
Take the on-line Myers Briggs, and then we'll talk.
Here's the test, with its 72 questions. It will give you your Jungian profile. You can then look further into it, possibly on this same site, or on another site by typing in the result acronym. It also gives career aptitudes on various sites. Find out if you should have been an architect, or be studying it.
http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp
looks a lot like astrology to me.
similar profile can be found here: http://horoscope.com - only a couple questions about your birthday to fill in.
curt, if a person goes into a college advising situation, they give this test within a battery of tests. No college, except maybe some experimental new age college, would give you an astrology test. I think they'd have to answer to that. On the other hand, legitimate colleges don't have to answer to the validity of the advising type tests they give.
So, whacha got?
I am an INFP (compassionate, outside-the-box-thinker), grew up with an ESTJ (maintainer-of-the-status-quo) brother. I'm a stop and smell the roses person and my brother is wondering who put those damn roses right there, know what I mean? Childhood was hell. Married to an ENFP (warm, friendly and flexible). The FP parts matter, and so does the NF for compatibility.
Curt, you can call it astropsychology if you want. Don't forget to check your moon sign!
And on that texting thing, I must've read it backwards. I thought the kid was an idiot, and we were supposed to be laughing at him. I didn't realize the joke was supposed to be on the cleaning lady.
My turn, Observant!
Sarah,
Ya the only difference is I don't drink whiskey. I'm a bald ole fart. I'm certainly not a Rhodes Scholar.
I took the Jung test and came up ADHD.
I am an INFP (compassionate, outside-the-box-thinker), grew up with an ESTJ (maintainer-of-the-status-quo) brother. I'm a stop and smell the roses person and my brother is wondering who put those damn roses right there, know what I mean? Childhood was hell.
So, tint, you'd believe an ISTJ then? It doesn't mean I don't talk to random people. I often do. Especially if traveling. It just means too many meetings or large crowds require a period to recharge. Either STJ, be it E or I, is the most common of the profiles among men. That's just a statistic I read. I think that, except for my mom, everybody in my immediate family has to be STJs.
My turn, Observant!
Sarah, oh man. How did this take this turn? We went on a t a m m u z tangent about soapboxes and now I've got a FREE booth at a carnival. I think you like people, in general, and your dad must be cool, as well as the other men in your life, because you roll with the guys on here like a real trooper. You cut people slack, but you know an ass hole when you see one, and can contain your emotions in a situations and deflect/defuse them in an appropriate manner.
I took the Jung test and came up ADHD.
Haha. It ought to kick out more creative acronyms for some people. I can think of 2 - OTR (needs no explanation) and FUBR (fucked up beyond repair) right away, among the many that are out there. But it would lose its validity, though some of you see it as sorcery. This sort of stuff is even employed in HR scenarios.
tanks for the advice tint. my sun sign is cancer, my moon sign is gemini.
it came up in that schumacher news thread that some people, like thayer, act the same way consistently across multiple threads. he trolls the same way for me or for donna or for tammuz as he does for patrik schumacher. others try to maintain a more respectable disposition depending on the environment. personally, i'm going to try to avoid trolling in this thread the way i troll in the 'historic architecture' thread. in the schumacher thread, i think it would be interesting to have a conversation with him, since he has a position that has been spread so widely across the profession. to that end, i'm going to try to avoid creating a hostile environment that he wouldn't want to be a part of. i'll call out tammuz for being a dick in the thanksgiving blood thread, but i'll stay quite and avoid fanning the flame in the schumacher thread.
the point is, we aren't seeing the whole person here. even if thayer is consistently a dumbass on the internet, that doesn't mean he's consistently a dumbass. observant is taking this little bit he knows, and extrapolating it to form a judgement on other aspects of their lives. i believe if you were to judge me as a person based only on the 'historic' thread, you would see me as a different person compared to judging me based solely on TC, which is different that if you took the two and tried to develop a broader picture. either way, none of those really reflect my life outside of the internet. because of that, i sincerely believe this notion of developing a fictional character around people using meyers-brigg is no more or less useful than creating a fictional character around astrology signs. until you're in an environment where you're making judgements on things that happen, it's all just fiction. in my experience, things tend to work out better when informed by real life rather than fantasies, and because of that it would be better for people to recognize which parts of their mental image are fact and which are fiction.
observant is taking this little bit he knows, and extrapolating it to form a judgement on other aspects of their lives.
Not true, curt. I am interested in the Jungian label for 2 reasons: 1) for its applicability to career planning, and 2) because the final TJ or FP make for vastly different processing and interpersonal modes. I can't walk down the street and pin a Meyers-Briggs label on someone. However, I do sense when someone processes something way more differently than I do. Within the last 5 years, I served as a jury foreman (the other jurors volunteered me - imagine that) and it was nothing short of frustrating. It resulted in a hung jury, for a mountain out of a mole hill. Why? Some of us wanted to construct the elements of the case in terms of sequence and logic, while others were relying on intuition and emotion. By the way, the kid, or young adult, was black, or African-American, whichever is PC on 11/24/13, and I voted to acquit because the facts the policeman was presenting did not stack up convincingly. If anyone was prejudiced, it was probably the cop ... and about 2 or 3 other jurors.
And I get what you're saying about needing to know how people process. I often have a hard time working with women in east Texas because I'm not as emotional in my decision making. And I don't mean that as an insult, or some sort of mysogeny. I'm just too out-front and blunt about things, and I end up insulting people when I never meant to. I just get along better with men. I know how it works, and where I stand.
Worst part is that I'm Texan all the way, but not East Texan, and there's a big difference. Like eastern and western PA. Sucks. I've lost a few friends.
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