Go Strawbeary! Its nice to hear about hope, a whole bunch
of professors just got laid off at my school, the campus is a
bit dark today, this morning i heard this guy cursing up a
storm and later crying asking certain faculty how he'll tell
his wife.......Go Strawbeary!!!
oh and i finally figured out how to take light
trail photos, totally awesome
Thanks all! The interview went great. I'm over qualified though, so we'll see if he makes an offer. I'm excited, but it is just for contract, not permanent, 3-4 months to start with, maybe more. He interviewed only one other person and said he was going to decide between us this afternoon. I know the other guy he interviewed! Small world. They are BOTH probably reading this too. HI!
i don't have many architectural books either. some text books on statics, a few monographs and history books, maybe a dozen planning books (all about suburbia). the bulk of my library is digital. it is awesome for writing articles and such. latest software actually links to the digital text for quotes and footnotes, though i haven't tried it yet. print/books are changing nearly as fast as music and video.
I love that movie, lb. That is one ridiculous frenchman. I also appreciated how much you could enjoy him and yet still recognize that he must make for one damned frustrating and self-centered friend. I thought the doc did a really good job of just letting him be him -- not interposing any kind of agenda or overarching narrative or obtrusively slanting the portrayal in any way. They didn't make him out to be some kind of angel -- just a guy who does these incredible things...with a lot of help.
I wouldn't say that what I was doing was that much fun.
It was pretty insane. I'm still trying to accurately model a diamond in sketchup + vray. There's no easy direct way to do it because sketchup vray has some set backs when it comes to the sophisticated lighting and refraction options you need.
Is that "Architects...gimme a break!" thread for real?
I'm having a hard time distinguishing these days on Archinect what is for real, and what is posted simply to get a response. Seems to be more of the latter lately.
na, nice review. If you ever have the time and inclination to scan, I would love to see the sketch of his proposed new design for the towers! Also his sketch of the catenary curve of the cables that you mention -- they both sound interesting.
Why do they have to make it so HARD for us to take our exams? Why do we have to wade through an alphabet soup of letters - NCARB, IDP, ARE, AIA - to get our license? Furthermore, why does it feel like instead of validating our experience, the whole process seems designed to extract as much money from us as possible?
I requested transmittal of my IDP record to the state of California in January '08. It took me calling several times for them to even finish reviewing my record, which they "certified" in June '08. (During which time NCARB extracted another yearly fee from me.) Well, I never heard anything after that. They never told me if my record made it to California, or if I was allowed to apply for exams after that, or what.
Fast forward a year, I get ANOTHER bill for my yearly NCARB fee, which I pay, and I request that my IDP record be sent to Oregon after I've moved here. That was in October '09. I never heard anything again, until today, when I called to see if it made it, and then they tell me that my "packet" is sitting in the California state Board of Examiners waiting for me to take the exams there. Well it would have been nice if they told me! They are now saying that in order to have my "packet" retransmitted to Oregon, it's going to cost me ANOTHER $300. Does this even make sense to you? If NCARB had been doing their job, which I paid them yearly to do, wouldn't I have known where my stuff was and at least had the opportunity to avoid paying another $300? Is this some kind of racket?
Why would I even bother taking my exams if they are going to put me through this?
here's what i don't get; i had my council record sent to connecticut, under ncarb's direct registration program, i was then able to take the exams in new jersey. i then moved in november 2006 to minnesota, finished my exams and was registered in connecticut. now, i did have hurdles to jump through to get my "comity" application passed, but that i attributed to minnesota's failings than ncarb's.
Emily, didn't California tell you they had received your authorization to test? I thought that's how it's supposed to go.
It sounds like NCARB has become a lot worse than it was when I got licensed. It was a pain in the butt, but if I sent emails they were almost always responded to in a few days. Now it sounds like total chaos.
Which reminds me: there's a Calvin and Hobbes comic in which Hobbes says "If you don't get a goodnight kiss, you'll have Kafka dreams". So Angus said that to me last night - how do I explain Kafka dreams to a kid?!
Nope, California didn't tell me that I was authorized to test. And maybe that's California's fault, but still - why didn't it occur to someone at NCARB to say something to me when I requested to have my record retransmitted to Oregon in OCTOBER? Correct me if I'm wrong but that was 3 months ago. I realize things are tough but people still need to do their jobs, and if they can't handle that, then should I really be punished for it?
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that NCARB didn't screw up, I meant to imply that what happened really did happen: California screwed up AND NCARB screwed up - as suspected.
It would be interesting to compare NCARB to other national registration boards - how much do other professions pay, how many files is the entity responsible for, and how fast are their response times? I'll bet NCARB will be the suckiest across the board.
didn't you read the article Taking Customer Service Seriously in your copy of Direct Connection. I dont know what issue it is since its sitting under my wet boots.
ha...kafka dreams are pretty much today's reality.
i think my biggest complaint with the architecture registration/licensing process is that it's so interwoven with geography. i understand that if you are going to practise within a jurisdiction then you need to be licensed within that jurisdiction...but it would be nice if acquiring that license were a mere formality (even if it's an expensive formality)...a secondary formality of sorts available to professionals with the proper credentials, which is exactly what a professional architectural degree should be.
i guess that what i'm getting at is maybe idp should be incorporated into the architectural education before the professional degree is awarded. it would make for a longer educational experience that would likely reduce the number of graduates but would also make the degree much more valuable.
geography is also why i think this might align better with school. as young professionals, architects are notorious for job hopping (different cities, across state lines & even international boundaries) but as students we are far more likely to spend 4-6 years on one campus. no wonder ncarb can't keep up.
perhaps to get reconnected with the profession the university experience should deal with all the idp and then you do a year at a firm if you can find a job and then you can sit for the test, test, test, test, test, test and test.
beary thanks. I only wondered cause i still debate getting back into teaching. I just loved the rewarding feeling from helping kids learn how to read etc.
But then i usually just tell myself to get a phd since i want one anyways plus that allows me to teach higher ed.
Oh Emily that blows. When I had my stuff "transmitted" to IL they never called me either. I had no idea whether I was allowed to test or not, what the process was, etcetera. Finally I just tried to schedule an exam with Prometric and when they asked for my "candidate ID" and I realized I didn't have one I realized that I must have missed a step somewhere in the process. I called NCARB and they claimed they had sent me a letter with it. I never got one so I have no idea if that's true or not. Then I had to speak with 2 or 3 different people until they were "authorized" to give me my testing # over the phone. Each time I spoke with one of these people, by the way, the story changed slightly. I took copious notes of it all at the time because I was so confused about what I was supposed to do or not do. I can't remember how it ended up -- I think I just finally got a number that worked and scheduled my tests. Come to think of it I don't recall if I ever did get confirmation that my stuff was sent to IL. Let's hope so! Maybe I should call them.
I don't really have a problem with the existence of NCARB per se -- except for the fact that they have no accountability since they're not elected and we can't challenge any of their decisions or anything, I mean hello fascism -- but the convoluted nature of the process itself (with the state boards sometimes involved, sometimes not, etc) is prone to too many mistakes and confusions. My mother, who is not American, can't understand our federalist system -- to her it's a giant waste of time and energy. On things like this I agree. In fact what puddles says above actually makes the most sense -- makes it more like the way med. school is run.
It's just so utterly deflating, when an organization that is supposed to be helping you through the process of becoming a professional acts like a bank that slaps a bunch of hidden fees on you for no reason.
I haven't heard back from them, BTW, this after they said they would call me back this afternoon. I'm going to try to go through all of my materials this evening and make a list of how long I've been paying them, how many fees they've collected from me, etc., and then call them back tomorrow. I didn't get the name of the person that I talked today mainly because I was so caught off guard that they were so behind, but I know better for when I call back tomorrow.
Has anyone ever tried to get a PAPER copy of their IDP record? I shudder to think at what kind of response I'll get if I ask for that ... I think I had an easier time getting a copy of my medical history.
i guess that what i'm getting at is maybe idp should be incorporated into the architectural education before the professional degree is awarded. it would make for a longer educational experience that would likely reduce the number of graduates but would also make the degree much more valuable.
you've just described the Boston Architectural College.
Emily, it seems to me that at the very least they need to credit you back the annual renewal fee that they made you pay. As far as I understand it, that was AFTER you requested transmittal to the state, correct? Do you still have to pay for NCARB membership after your record has been transmitted? I thought you didn't have to. Just to get it clear, you asked for transmittal to CA, and then, never having heard any confirmation of this action, when you moved to OR you asked for it to simply be transmitted there instead, assuming they had never sent it to CA in the first place? But you are faced with paying :
- original CA transmittal fee
- renewal fee for NCARB membership
- OR transmittal fee.
A question for you : if you HAD known they had indeed transmitted your record to CA, would you simply have left it there and NOT requested the transmittal to OR? If so, then they should refund you the OR transmittal fee. If you sincerely would have transferred it to both states anyway, due to the circumstances of the timing of your move, then you probably are stuck paying both transmittals.
Did I understand this right?
Emily you think your life is Hell.....think about me wanting to get NCARB certified so I can work in mulitple states....interned into the profession worked in a number of kick ass architecture firms and hung my shingle out years ago and well they would rather use that disgusting architectural stamp (butt plug). on me rather than have me doing architecture outside of my domain. I always thought it was a little bull shit how they whored themselves to every state chapter of AIA and then moved in for the kill by submitting to every state legislature a package to limit licensure to the prespective state by only going thru the NCARB.
I have been thinking about doing some work out west as a design build project with my brother. I think we could make some money at it but I would have to hire and Architect to sign and seal the drawings because it would take me years and a fortune to get registered it that state. Funny thing is the person who sits on the NCARB board is a guy who I helped with his senior year thesis project. I would feel a little wierd bending his ear about the short coming of NCARB. However I see it as a poorly run organization with over paid individuals at the helm.
manta, you've hit the nail on the head exactly. They DID bill me for my annual fee AFTER I requested transmittal to CA, and - thinking that it never went to CA - I requested transmittal to Oregon. Had I known that my packet was sitting in CA I might have made an effort to at least start my testing there, despite the fact that ultimately I had to move to find a job. But the way I understand it, once you start you can continue taking the tests wherever, or am I wrong about that, too? Can I take the tests in Oregon but get licensed in CA?
I bought the Barragan the complete works by Princeton Arc Press. Images, sections, and plans many of them original reproductions. And it's really quite cheap now.
Also EK sorry about your licensure horrors - doesn't sound like fun even listening from the outside
snook, you should totally use your previous relationship with the NCARB guy to get personal service on getting your registration reciprocated in AZ. Absolutely. That's what networks are for!
I sent NCARB an email - well, a submittal on their website - AGAIN today saying how disappointed I am to hear that the young interns I know are having such trouble with their customer service. I did it about a year ago, too - no response then, and don't really expect one now. Let's hope they don't suddenly "lose" my certificate now that I've told them how disappointed I am.
OH Emily, call them right now and cancel the Oregon transmittal! Unless you're absolutely sure you'll spend the bulk of your professional life practicing there, of course.
You can take ANY state exam at ANY prometric. So, if CA already has your record, just cancel the OR transmittal and when you go to schedule your tests with Prometric, all you do is select CA as your transmitting state and then select the Portland testing center location. Show up, take test x 7, and then when you're done at some point you'll have to do the Seismic stuff which I THINK is a seperate section for CA only... I might be wrong about that though, it's been years since I checked the CA requirements. I think you won't have to take the oral, though, since it's over with.
If you DO want to practice in OR though, you should check how easy it will be transfer your CA license over to OR once you get it.
Good luck!!!
i was talking to a friend of mine who is bummed out. i said friend you need to look at my friend tumbles pictures of her and her goats and of mies the pooch. it will cheer you up. and i think it may have worked!
Oh manta... that is good news for sure. I am certain that Emily will be glad to hear it. ;-)
tumbles, it's good to hear from you! What a sweet picture!
Is anybody paying attention to this Leno-Conan stuff? What a hot mess. I used to be loyal to NBC but it looks like I might be boycotting sometime soon...
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mornin folks
Go Strawbeary! Its nice to hear about hope, a whole bunch
of professors just got laid off at my school, the campus is a
bit dark today, this morning i heard this guy cursing up a
storm and later crying asking certain faculty how he'll tell
his wife.......Go Strawbeary!!!
oh and i finally figured out how to take light
trail photos, totally awesome
Good luck, Len us know how it goes. My fingers are crossed for you.
Just since last night, Abram has become really intent in his coloring/drawing. I'm talking 30 minute streches wear I do thear a peep fro
him!
I love Baragan. My favorite book is out of print. They had it at my school library. Bright pink canvas cover, and square.
I don't have man architecture books. I mean I may have ten to twenty I youcount textbooks. Sad I suppose, but I don't have anywhere tokeep them.
Thanks all! The interview went great. I'm over qualified though, so we'll see if he makes an offer. I'm excited, but it is just for contract, not permanent, 3-4 months to start with, maybe more. He interviewed only one other person and said he was going to decide between us this afternoon. I know the other guy he interviewed! Small world. They are BOTH probably reading this too. HI!
coolio, strawbeary!
thats horrible philarct.
i don't have many architectural books either. some text books on statics, a few monographs and history books, maybe a dozen planning books (all about suburbia). the bulk of my library is digital. it is awesome for writing articles and such. latest software actually links to the digital text for quotes and footnotes, though i haven't tried it yet. print/books are changing nearly as fast as music and video.
morning all,
It is a cold day and dreary morning. Not sure what I am going to do with my day.
jump, that software sounds cool.
Just saw Man on Wire. Wow. Has anyone done anything that insane and joyful in the last 30 years since? Man.
I love that movie, lb. That is one ridiculous frenchman. I also appreciated how much you could enjoy him and yet still recognize that he must make for one damned frustrating and self-centered friend. I thought the doc did a really good job of just letting him be him -- not interposing any kind of agenda or overarching narrative or obtrusively slanting the portrayal in any way. They didn't make him out to be some kind of angel -- just a guy who does these incredible things...with a lot of help.
I wouldn't say that what I was doing was that much fun.
It was pretty insane. I'm still trying to accurately model a diamond in sketchup + vray. There's no easy direct way to do it because sketchup vray has some set backs when it comes to the sophisticated lighting and refraction options you need.
But I'm happy I'm like 90% there though.
LB,
I haven't seen the movie. But recently read the book. I had shared some thought's here.
You are right. Not sure anyone has done anything so life affirming and joyous since. I mean the balls, required...
Happy sunday all. It is still cold in FL.
wow, orochi. you amaze me.
Is that "Architects...gimme a break!" thread for real?
I'm having a hard time distinguishing these days on Archinect what is for real, and what is posted simply to get a response. Seems to be more of the latter lately.
Thats why I just stay in here.
Morning!
Morning all.
hey good news, everybody agrees that the recession is over. sounds like new jobs are right around the corner in spring.
in the meantime, hibernation?
My fingernails were aching this morning, puddles. So I trimmed them.
na, nice review. If you ever have the time and inclination to scan, I would love to see the sketch of his proposed new design for the towers! Also his sketch of the catenary curve of the cables that you mention -- they both sound interesting.
You should check out the movie -- it's great.
hmm, that was @ nam
manta thanks,
I don't have the book any more. It was a library loan. I might be able to find the images...
I'll try and find them..
I'm feeling very defeated right now.
Why do they have to make it so HARD for us to take our exams? Why do we have to wade through an alphabet soup of letters - NCARB, IDP, ARE, AIA - to get our license? Furthermore, why does it feel like instead of validating our experience, the whole process seems designed to extract as much money from us as possible?
I requested transmittal of my IDP record to the state of California in January '08. It took me calling several times for them to even finish reviewing my record, which they "certified" in June '08. (During which time NCARB extracted another yearly fee from me.) Well, I never heard anything after that. They never told me if my record made it to California, or if I was allowed to apply for exams after that, or what.
Fast forward a year, I get ANOTHER bill for my yearly NCARB fee, which I pay, and I request that my IDP record be sent to Oregon after I've moved here. That was in October '09. I never heard anything again, until today, when I called to see if it made it, and then they tell me that my "packet" is sitting in the California state Board of Examiners waiting for me to take the exams there. Well it would have been nice if they told me! They are now saying that in order to have my "packet" retransmitted to Oregon, it's going to cost me ANOTHER $300. Does this even make sense to you? If NCARB had been doing their job, which I paid them yearly to do, wouldn't I have known where my stuff was and at least had the opportunity to avoid paying another $300? Is this some kind of racket?
Why would I even bother taking my exams if they are going to put me through this?
here's what i don't get; i had my council record sent to connecticut, under ncarb's direct registration program, i was then able to take the exams in new jersey. i then moved in november 2006 to minnesota, finished my exams and was registered in connecticut. now, i did have hurdles to jump through to get my "comity" application passed, but that i attributed to minnesota's failings than ncarb's.
i've been thinking i don't want to get licensed anymore. I've taken two tests and might just forget about it.
Emily, didn't California tell you they had received your authorization to test? I thought that's how it's supposed to go.
It sounds like NCARB has become a lot worse than it was when I got licensed. It was a pain in the butt, but if I sent emails they were almost always responded to in a few days. Now it sounds like total chaos.
Which reminds me: there's a Calvin and Hobbes comic in which Hobbes says "If you don't get a goodnight kiss, you'll have Kafka dreams". So Angus said that to me last night - how do I explain Kafka dreams to a kid?!
Nope, California didn't tell me that I was authorized to test. And maybe that's California's fault, but still - why didn't it occur to someone at NCARB to say something to me when I requested to have my record retransmitted to Oregon in OCTOBER? Correct me if I'm wrong but that was 3 months ago. I realize things are tough but people still need to do their jobs, and if they can't handle that, then should I really be punished for it?
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that NCARB didn't screw up, I meant to imply that what happened really did happen: California screwed up AND NCARB screwed up - as suspected.
It would be interesting to compare NCARB to other national registration boards - how much do other professions pay, how many files is the entity responsible for, and how fast are their response times? I'll bet NCARB will be the suckiest across the board.
didn't you read the article Taking Customer Service Seriously in your copy of Direct Connection. I dont know what issue it is since its sitting under my wet boots.
I'm helping my husband do his paperwork for his educator's license! Pretty straight forward.
ha...kafka dreams are pretty much today's reality.
i think my biggest complaint with the architecture registration/licensing process is that it's so interwoven with geography. i understand that if you are going to practise within a jurisdiction then you need to be licensed within that jurisdiction...but it would be nice if acquiring that license were a mere formality (even if it's an expensive formality)...a secondary formality of sorts available to professionals with the proper credentials, which is exactly what a professional architectural degree should be.
i guess that what i'm getting at is maybe idp should be incorporated into the architectural education before the professional degree is awarded. it would make for a longer educational experience that would likely reduce the number of graduates but would also make the degree much more valuable.
geography is also why i think this might align better with school. as young professionals, architects are notorious for job hopping (different cities, across state lines & even international boundaries) but as students we are far more likely to spend 4-6 years on one campus. no wonder ncarb can't keep up.
perhaps to get reconnected with the profession the university experience should deal with all the idp and then you do a year at a firm if you can find a job and then you can sit for the test, test, test, test, test, test and test.
straw, is your husband a teacher?
i meant to add k-12
nam, kinda. he works as a literacy specialist at a private clinic. he is working on his masters in education and a teacher's license.
oh, and his students are pre-school age and up.
beary thanks. I only wondered cause i still debate getting back into teaching. I just loved the rewarding feeling from helping kids learn how to read etc.
But then i usually just tell myself to get a phd since i want one anyways plus that allows me to teach higher ed.
Oh Emily that blows. When I had my stuff "transmitted" to IL they never called me either. I had no idea whether I was allowed to test or not, what the process was, etcetera. Finally I just tried to schedule an exam with Prometric and when they asked for my "candidate ID" and I realized I didn't have one I realized that I must have missed a step somewhere in the process. I called NCARB and they claimed they had sent me a letter with it. I never got one so I have no idea if that's true or not. Then I had to speak with 2 or 3 different people until they were "authorized" to give me my testing # over the phone. Each time I spoke with one of these people, by the way, the story changed slightly. I took copious notes of it all at the time because I was so confused about what I was supposed to do or not do. I can't remember how it ended up -- I think I just finally got a number that worked and scheduled my tests. Come to think of it I don't recall if I ever did get confirmation that my stuff was sent to IL. Let's hope so! Maybe I should call them.
I don't really have a problem with the existence of NCARB per se -- except for the fact that they have no accountability since they're not elected and we can't challenge any of their decisions or anything, I mean hello fascism -- but the convoluted nature of the process itself (with the state boards sometimes involved, sometimes not, etc) is prone to too many mistakes and confusions. My mother, who is not American, can't understand our federalist system -- to her it's a giant waste of time and energy. On things like this I agree. In fact what puddles says above actually makes the most sense -- makes it more like the way med. school is run.
It's just so utterly deflating, when an organization that is supposed to be helping you through the process of becoming a professional acts like a bank that slaps a bunch of hidden fees on you for no reason.
I haven't heard back from them, BTW, this after they said they would call me back this afternoon. I'm going to try to go through all of my materials this evening and make a list of how long I've been paying them, how many fees they've collected from me, etc., and then call them back tomorrow. I didn't get the name of the person that I talked today mainly because I was so caught off guard that they were so behind, but I know better for when I call back tomorrow.
Has anyone ever tried to get a PAPER copy of their IDP record? I shudder to think at what kind of response I'll get if I ask for that ... I think I had an easier time getting a copy of my medical history.
you've just described the Boston Architectural College.
ha ha, a paper copy, nice idea!
Emily, it seems to me that at the very least they need to credit you back the annual renewal fee that they made you pay. As far as I understand it, that was AFTER you requested transmittal to the state, correct? Do you still have to pay for NCARB membership after your record has been transmitted? I thought you didn't have to. Just to get it clear, you asked for transmittal to CA, and then, never having heard any confirmation of this action, when you moved to OR you asked for it to simply be transmitted there instead, assuming they had never sent it to CA in the first place? But you are faced with paying :
- original CA transmittal fee
- renewal fee for NCARB membership
- OR transmittal fee.
A question for you : if you HAD known they had indeed transmitted your record to CA, would you simply have left it there and NOT requested the transmittal to OR? If so, then they should refund you the OR transmittal fee. If you sincerely would have transferred it to both states anyway, due to the circumstances of the timing of your move, then you probably are stuck paying both transmittals.
Did I understand this right?
Emily you think your life is Hell.....think about me wanting to get NCARB certified so I can work in mulitple states....interned into the profession worked in a number of kick ass architecture firms and hung my shingle out years ago and well they would rather use that disgusting architectural stamp (butt plug). on me rather than have me doing architecture outside of my domain. I always thought it was a little bull shit how they whored themselves to every state chapter of AIA and then moved in for the kill by submitting to every state legislature a package to limit licensure to the prespective state by only going thru the NCARB.
I have been thinking about doing some work out west as a design build project with my brother. I think we could make some money at it but I would have to hire and Architect to sign and seal the drawings because it would take me years and a fortune to get registered it that state. Funny thing is the person who sits on the NCARB board is a guy who I helped with his senior year thesis project. I would feel a little wierd bending his ear about the short coming of NCARB. However I see it as a poorly run organization with over paid individuals at the helm.
manta, you've hit the nail on the head exactly. They DID bill me for my annual fee AFTER I requested transmittal to CA, and - thinking that it never went to CA - I requested transmittal to Oregon. Had I known that my packet was sitting in CA I might have made an effort to at least start my testing there, despite the fact that ultimately I had to move to find a job. But the way I understand it, once you start you can continue taking the tests wherever, or am I wrong about that, too? Can I take the tests in Oregon but get licensed in CA?
snook, that stinks.
I bought the Barragan the complete works by Princeton Arc Press. Images, sections, and plans many of them original reproductions. And it's really quite cheap now.
Also EK sorry about your licensure horrors - doesn't sound like fun even listening from the outside
snook, you should totally use your previous relationship with the NCARB guy to get personal service on getting your registration reciprocated in AZ. Absolutely. That's what networks are for!
I sent NCARB an email - well, a submittal on their website - AGAIN today saying how disappointed I am to hear that the young interns I know are having such trouble with their customer service. I did it about a year ago, too - no response then, and don't really expect one now. Let's hope they don't suddenly "lose" my certificate now that I've told them how disappointed I am.
OMG, OMG, I love that photo, tumbles!!!!
lb, if you ever want to "drop by" NCARB in person, I will gladly take you to lunch beforehand... Smith and Wollensky's, perhaps?
Liberty Az is not in question....it is another big sky country...
I have always maintained Arizona so I can retire there with my friends.
Aw, Just Why, you're a sweetie. But we can go dutch!
OH Emily, call them right now and cancel the Oregon transmittal! Unless you're absolutely sure you'll spend the bulk of your professional life practicing there, of course.
You can take ANY state exam at ANY prometric. So, if CA already has your record, just cancel the OR transmittal and when you go to schedule your tests with Prometric, all you do is select CA as your transmitting state and then select the Portland testing center location. Show up, take test x 7, and then when you're done at some point you'll have to do the Seismic stuff which I THINK is a seperate section for CA only... I might be wrong about that though, it's been years since I checked the CA requirements. I think you won't have to take the oral, though, since it's over with.
If you DO want to practice in OR though, you should check how easy it will be transfer your CA license over to OR once you get it.
Good luck!!!
i was talking to a friend of mine who is bummed out. i said friend you need to look at my friend tumbles pictures of her and her goats and of mies the pooch. it will cheer you up. and i think it may have worked!
Oh manta... that is good news for sure. I am certain that Emily will be glad to hear it. ;-)
tumbles, it's good to hear from you! What a sweet picture!
Is anybody paying attention to this Leno-Conan stuff? What a hot mess. I used to be loyal to NBC but it looks like I might be boycotting sometime soon...
if my new state doesn't do what my old state did, i'm moving back soon, real soon.
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