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This is likely TMI but have any of you guys ever dealt with dementia in a parent? It's fucking awful. Horrific. I feel as emotionally fragile and helpless as I did those first few days after giving birth but without the joy of a new baby - in fact the exact opposite.

Thank god for podcasts that reassure one that one is not alone, in *whatever* one's struggle may be.

Dec 5, 18 7:23 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

Not experienced a parent but a close family member nonetheless. Currently hitting its worse stage so far requiring secure institutional help... and the person has yet to teach 70 years of age. I feel where you’re coming from.

Dec 5, 18 7:33 am  · 
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shellarchitect

I can't even imagine. My 92 grandma is in a home now, but still seems to be driving my parents crazy. I feel for you.

Dec 5, 18 9:01 am  · 
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shellarchitect

BTW Donna, I remember you wrote a long time ago about the death of a family dog, it was really touching and I still feel for you. I had forgotten about it until a couple days ago when one of our dogs passed.

Dec 5, 18 9:02 am  · 
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Sorry to hear that Donna. It’s brutal: the best outcome is the worst outcome. Good luck.

Dec 5, 18 9:39 am  · 
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Wilma Buttfit

Not dementia but cluster B personality disorder. It's a living nightmare.

Dec 5, 18 9:44 am  · 
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mightyaa

So sorry Donna. My grandmother passed a long time ago from alzheimer's. I wasn't close though; she was in advanced stages by the time I was in high school. It is an awful disease.

Dec 5, 18 10:29 am  · 
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geezertect

Went through it with an aunt in another city, with me as her only real relative. Godawful nightmare, which included elder fraud by a "caregiver" who was trying to do a little caregiving with auntie's money. Ended up in probate court hearings, on and on and on. Multiple airline trips back and forth. My aunt was on the moon mentally, so she didn't know what was going on. The biggest problem is that they are childlike, and yet you can't control them the way you can control a child. The legal system is reluctant to deprive someone of their autonomy, so you just feel totally helpless. Nobody wants to get involved (understandably). My parents were both dead by that point and I have no siblings, so I got to do it all by myself. Never felt so alone.

Lost my mother at age 53, not to dementia but to the most profound depression you can imagine.  For all intents and purposes, she really was demented.  That was the most vivid vision of Hell that you can imagine.

Sounds terrible, but when things get to that point, death is a blessing for all concerned.


Dec 5, 18 10:40 am  · 
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JLC-1

I'm sorry Donna.

Dec 5, 18 11:07 am  · 
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citizen

Very sorry to hear about this, Donna. I can't imagine how difficult that must be, how painful. Bless you and your whole family.

Dec 5, 18 12:45 pm  · 
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thatsthat

You are not alone Donna. It is the absolute worst. My grandfather was devolving into dementia, but also has issues with diabetes. One day he just woke up not knowing how to form sentences. He can say disparate words and sounds but nothing coherent. The doctor says its due to a prolonged high blood sugar episode that has damaged his brain. We have him living in a nursing facility. Our family feels almost as if we never got to say goodbye. His spirit is gone, but he is still physically living.

Dec 5, 18 12:49 pm  · 
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Thanks for all the replies, you all. I know there are so many of us who go through it and when you hit a certain age dealing with your parents' demise is just part of life. There's a beauty to the stages of life, absolutely! But it's a painful beauty because even though it's natural and and there is an emotional closeness you feel to the others in your family as you work with this person it's also so wrenching. When my husband's mom died a few years ago I felt somewhat similar and I am eternally grateful that she gave me a "dry run" rehearsal to experiencing the loss of a parent before it happened with my own - she was such a generous person in so many ways, and I count that as one of them! The other aspect of the stress (and I'm so grateful that I don't have to worry about con artists who prey on elders, geezertect, like you describe, ugh!) is that my other parent is in excellent health but I worry that they are WAY overtaxed being a 80-year-old full-time caregiver, and I live across the country where I'm no help at all except worrying and phone calls. But Yeah, overall: life is hard, it just is. But it's beautiful and wonderful too.

Dec 6, 18 2:22 pm  · 
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JeromeS

Funny story - my GF is 97 and suffering from some dementia.  He has outlived all but one of his 6 children.  He recently moved in with my aunt and she installed some special lock to thwart him from roaming outdoors on his own.  He asked the installer what they were for and was told it was to keep the cats from getting out.  An answer he accepted.  After the work was done he was invited to test them out.  It took him a minute but it was no problem.  His reply - 'seems like a lot of effort for some cats" (He was an aircraft flight engineer and apparently that part of his brain still works)

Dec 5, 18 3:30 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

GF typically stands for girlfriend.

Dec 5, 18 3:39 pm  · 
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JeromeS

yeah, and... j/k

Dec 5, 18 4:37 pm  · 
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That's a hilarious story, Jerome. Love it.

Dec 6, 18 2:23 pm  · 
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Anon_grad2.0

maybe if DC put as much effort into his exams as he is doing with these spam posts, he’d be licensed already. 

Dec 6, 18 11:04 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

I just got a PM from a user I don't recognize... Am I wrong to assume that it's DC attempting to thwart my anon veil?

Dec 6, 18 12:04 pm  · 
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OneLostArchitect

Lmao

Dec 6, 18 12:19 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

the email attached to the PM does not check out anywhere, so I'll add it to the ignore pile unless that user makes a dedicated thread.

Dec 6, 18 12:21 pm  · 
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randomised

Maybe worth checking the old 'nect mail for shits 'n giggles...

Dec 6, 18 12:34 pm  · 
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OneLostArchitect

How do I check my archinect email address?

Dec 6, 18 12:53 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

^it's under account settings.

Dec 6, 18 1:19 pm  · 
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randomised

I checked, nothing interesting besides +2500 new emails from archinect, apparently I was following TC and a couple of other threads...oh and a couple of emails from Rick.

Dec 6, 18 3:35 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

Private message Setting:

( ) Allow other members to contact me 

(X) Do not allow other members to contact me

Dec 6, 18 7:32 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

Pete, I leave mine on as I've had wonderful email exchanges with people outside of the forums.

Dec 6, 18 8:48 pm  · 
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OneLostArchitect

I don’t have archinect email??? I don’t see it under settings....

Dec 6, 18 8:40 pm  · 
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If anyone is interested, some pics from my show are up on Instagram.

Dec 6, 18 11:57 pm  · 
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citizen

You kids with your Instagrahams! 

Enjoyed perusing, and really like some of the pieces. The scale play of objects is fun, and of course we architects are suckers for that. Some of the tube/tubular pieces are delicious, too. And the fish-flops. Hope the show went well.

Dec 15, 18 8:01 pm  · 
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Glad you enjoyed the feed. The show was incredible.

Dec 16, 18 12:00 pm  · 
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TC fell to the third page! Happy Friday. I'm taking off early today. 

Dec 14, 18 11:24 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

blasphemy.

Dec 14, 18 11:54 am  · 
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randomised

Too many dead threads are resurrected because of spam or newbies.

Dec 14, 18 1:56 pm  · 
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When I see the spam posts I flag them. Archinect is usually pretty quick to delete the posts once flagged, and the thread goes away. The problem is when people start responding to the thread not knowing it's a zombie thread. Even if the spam gets deleted, if there are new comments the zombie thread stays. 

I can't help with the newbies.

Dec 14, 18 2:57 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

I've been way too busy this week trying to get one of the juniors here up to speed. eugh, is it friday yet?

Dec 14, 18 4:00 pm  · 
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Steeplechase

Was flipping through some drawings today and saw an angle dimensioned to 11 decimal places...

Dec 14, 18 5:13 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

Glorious.

Dec 14, 18 5:35 pm  · 
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archanonymous

That's how you know it'll get built right.

Dec 16, 18 9:56 am  · 
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OneLostArchitect

Lmao wow...

Dec 16, 18 11:19 am  · 
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I really need to turn off the academia posts, I very nearly eviscerated the "rate my portfolio" post.

Here's an idea: An am I hot or am I not thread for portfolios. Vote on a scale of 1-10, the score is the average.

Dec 17, 18 8:36 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

Looks like you've just found your next paint colour name for the next exhibition. What's the colour of mediocrity?

Dec 17, 18 8:55 am  · 
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thatsthat

Is it just me or is there an odd number of applicants who have apparently created their portfolio in some kind of presentation software? Why oh why would you choose powerpoint to create a portfolio for a grad program?!!!

Dec 17, 18 11:03 am  · 
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Medi-ochre. Already had it, just need some context.

Dec 17, 18 11:15 am  · 
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randomised

Twice I made a portfolio in powerpoint, both times got the job.

Dec 17, 18 1:31 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

I've not opened powerpoint since high-school... so, 20 years?

Dec 17, 18 1:37 pm  · 
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Wilma Buttfit

I know the shade medi-ochre. It's that super special shade of baby diarrhea.

Dec 19, 18 7:00 am  · 
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kELLYANNE coNWAY IS FOUR MONTHS OLDER THAN ME. i SINCERELY HOPE i'M NOT AS oops CADding old-but-desperate-not-to-be looking as she is.

Dec 17, 18 12:22 pm  · 
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randomised

So, let's revisit this in 4 months ;-)

Dec 17, 18 1:57 pm  · 
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senjohnblutarsky

/googles Donna Sink images. /gets pictures of faucets. /asks self, "self, can faucets look desperate?".

Dec 17, 18 5:02 pm  · 
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JLC-1

can't figure what is an "Inter"

https://archinect.com/jobs/ent...

Dec 17, 18 4:34 pm  · 
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tduds

They're gonna bury you in work.

Dec 17, 18 4:37 pm  · 
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JLC-1

they can't even spell intern, how can they have work?

Dec 17, 18 5:29 pm  · 
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thatsthat

I like how 'complete time sheet' is under weekly responsibilities.

Dec 17, 18 5:50 pm  · 
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citizen

I hear her middle name is Kohler ;o)

Dec 17, 18 6:12 pm  · 
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archi_dude

I like the specifics for organizing binders and ordering and replacing the office flowers bi-weekly. Talk about your typical architect control freak.

Dec 17, 18 9:28 pm  · 
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curtkram

updating the sherwin williams fan deck is noticeably missing. i'm pretty sure that means it's a scam.

Dec 17, 18 10:13 pm  · 
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Wilma Buttfit

Must add the medi-ochre colorway!

Dec 19, 18 7:01 am  · 
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geezertect

Justifying the binders to the edge of the shelf, and turning the lights on if arriving first definitely will require an Ivy credential.

Dec 19, 18 8:30 am  · 
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JLC-1

"consolidate the trash" sounds corporate...

Dec 19, 18 11:09 am  · 
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My biggest issue with that job posting is that the majority of the tasks have little to do with the practice of architecture, or interior design, and more to do with office administration. My completely unsolicited advice would be to hire an admin to do that stuff so the interns can actually get experience that will pertain to their chosen profession.

Dec 19, 18 12:26 pm  · 
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Wilma Buttfit

You need a master's degree and 3 years of experience to operate a paper stapler these days.

Dec 19, 18 1:06 pm  · 
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... or in the case of this posting, to assist the office in refilling printer paper.

Dec 19, 18 2:11 pm  · 
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curtkram

i got to watch an electrician program light switches the other day. every room, he had to plug a computer into a low voltage switch to tell the switch what it's job is. things are changing. you probably need to know sql or c# to make the stupid stapler work now.

Dec 20, 18 9:45 am  · 
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axonapoplectic

flying tiger Copenhagen feels like a “curated” tchotchke mini ikea. They even guide you through it like an ikea. I was hoping the stuff would be weirder than it was.

Dec 17, 18 11:22 pm  · 
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Stephanie

Isn't it just called Tiger? But also, they sell Lakerol for cheap which is the whole point of life in Scandinavia.

Dec 31, 18 1:36 pm  · 
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Wilma Buttfit

You know you work in architecture when you... 


... get slammed with 10+ new projects all on one day a week before Christmas.

Dec 19, 18 6:54 am  · 
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Wilma Buttfit

Need an emoji with 1/2 huge grin, 1/2 horror and one eye popping out of socket.

Dec 19, 18 6:55 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

We got 4 projects from one client on our last day before the holiday break last year. It pays to answer the phone after 4.

Dec 19, 18 7:24 am  · 
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Wilma Buttfit

I'll use the extra cash to buy a giant bottle of antacids.

Dec 19, 18 7:49 am  · 
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Yep, two new this week. Everyone wants everything ASAP. That's why I spend my lunchtime scrolling through Cabin Porn.

Dec 19, 18 1:27 pm  · 
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citizen

Careful, Donna. Those wood splinters get in everywhere. Ouch!

Dec 19, 18 6:38 pm  · 
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JLC-1

How much sugar or booze do you receive from clients and vendors on christmas time? What are other types of presents you have received?

once I got a pair of mittens, and a smoked salmon, but the norm is sugar and booze.

Dec 19, 18 1:32 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

sugar and booze is typical but I did get damn decent hockey tickets a few weeks ago.

Dec 19, 18 2:02 pm  · 
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ALL THE SUGAR is on our office reception counter right now. I have not yet seen any booze. I'd kill or die for some good smoked salmon! One tray of homemade baklava that was addressed "To Boss and Donna (and everyone)". I had to laugh - it's an AIA guy who sent it specifically to the AIA members, plus e'one else.

Dec 19, 18 3:07 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

I got some wine. Higher quality than I'd ever buy, so that's a win.

Dec 19, 18 4:34 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

We typically draw names and split all the bribes on the last day of the year before the holiday shut-down

Dec 19, 18 4:40 pm  · 
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archanonymous

I once got a bag of weed, but it was from my boss, not a consultant so I'm not sure if it counts.

Dec 19, 18 4:43 pm  · 
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JLC-1

it sure counts, awesome present

Dec 19, 18 5:42 pm  · 
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axonapoplectic

Sugar and booze... My last office every year one of the vendors would send us a rum cake. It was more rum than cake.

Dec 19, 18 8:43 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

I had 4 baileys coffees before lunch yesterday...  Today, I can only have one, maybe two, because a big client meeting (8 active projects) was advanced to 10am.  First world problem?

Dec 20, 18 8:36 am  · 
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Rusty!

I had a feeling you were mildly drunk at all times.

Dec 20, 18 10:46 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

you would not be incorrect.

Dec 20, 18 12:12 pm  · 
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Wilma Buttfit

(that's called management in some parts)

Dec 20, 18 12:27 pm  · 
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I'm looking at about 5 pounds of chocolates and maybe 2-3 lbs of nuts to share between the few of us in my department. We've been offering some to anyone that drops in, but even that hasn't been putting enough of a dent in it. 

No booze this year. Not a lot of booze typically. Last year we got a really cheap bottle of wine from a vendor that we gave away to someone else. 

Dec 20, 18 2:38 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

I just came back from a site review where I needed to evaluate a potential break of fire separation and was greeted by the condo's resident who was wearing nothing but a bathrobe.



Dec 21, 18 10:38 am  · 
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JLC-1

did you expect a tux?

Dec 21, 18 11:48 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

That would also have been suspicious. Then I went and did the dumb thing of checking if the exposed steam supply plumbing was hot. Spoiler alert, it was.

Dec 21, 18 1:04 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

Sounds like you almost had a Weinstein moment...

Dec 21, 18 3:09 pm  · 
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citizen

One person's bathrobe is another's smoking jacket. Hef spent most of his life in a swanky bathrobe.

Dec 22, 18 7:11 pm  · 
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shellarchitect

I don't remember what thread I wrote about this on before, but an offer letter came in today:  $38.5 an hour, plus $250 monthly car allowance, $25 monthly cell phone,  and a couple thousand in 401k contributions.  Total is just over 100k because they also want me to work 48 hours a week.  

Really not sure how much I want the extra money.  For comparison I'm at about 80k right now

Dec 21, 18 11:36 am  · 
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JLC-1

38.5x48x52=96096 Gross - depends how much you like what you're doing and/or what you could be doing at the new place.

Dec 21, 18 11:50 am  · 
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wurdan freo

How many hours are you working now? Why not salary?

Dec 21, 18 12:15 pm  · 
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No health care benefits?

Dec 21, 18 12:55 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

I'm a simple dirty communist canadian... I don't get the healthcare costs you deal with down south. If your employer covers zero healthcare, what's the average monthly costs for reasonable coverage?

Dec 21, 18 1:03 pm  · 
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JLC-1

it varies in every state, but around 500 for a plan that does nothing to 850 for a slightly better one.

Dec 21, 18 1:11 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

Thanks JLC-1. So that's about 10K USD/year. puts things in an interesting perspective when I read compensation numbers.

Dec 21, 18 1:31 pm  · 
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JLC-1

that's for an individual making 80k with no kids- there are credits for family earning tiers, but if you make more than 102K for a family of 4, you would pay around 2500 a month. Isn't unchecked capitalism awesome?

Dec 21, 18 2:35 pm  · 
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shellarchitect

this does include health insurance, my wife works for the hospital, so I get my insurance through her.

Dec 21, 18 4:11 pm  · 
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shellarchitect

I don't think I've ever been salary, which is fine. I'd rather be paid for time over 40 hrs.

Dec 21, 18 4:12 pm  · 
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Wilma Buttfit

Salaried stinks.

Dec 21, 18 8:58 pm  · 
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Wilma Buttfit

Healthcare is subsidized I thought?

Dec 21, 18 9:00 pm  · 
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wurdan freo

Holy crap! Just got my eyes dialated for the first time... freakin' blind...holding the phone 3 feet from my face and can barely make out these letters...

Dec 21, 18 12:26 pm  · 
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jdc190

Dal rumors abound. Christine Macy is hiding behind a group of students to bury a string of harassment campaigns she started against Essy Baniassad, her assistant Martha Barnstead's former employer and many more!

Dec 21, 18 5:23 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

Who and what?

Dec 21, 18 5:39 pm  · 
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shellarchitect

OMG!!!!

Dec 21, 18 8:57 pm  · 
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Bench

Any follow up on this?

Dec 26, 18 7:15 pm  · 
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randomised

Seems like jdc only created an account to post that single remark, makes you wonder.

Dec 27, 18 7:35 am  · 
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Stephanie

NO slandering Martha, she picked me up from the airport once.

Dec 31, 18 1:40 pm  · 
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Nothing but respect for how important airport runs are. I drove Deborah Berke to the airport once; she is even more self-aware, wonderful, and grounded than one could imagine. I also drove Rena Klein, who rocked my world. I also picked up Paul Makovsky, formerly an editor at Metropolis - we couldn't stop chatting. And twice I drove Dave Hickey on airport runs. He was terrifyingly brilliant, and charming in a rough 60s tough-guy American male art scene way. I'm pretty sure there are more but none I can remember right now.

Dec 31, 18 3:02 pm  · 
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curtkram

a new take on RB's dumpster fires: The full mural by Banksy reveals that the child is standing in ash from a dumpster fire.

Dec 21, 18 6:11 pm  · 
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Another brilliant work by Banksy.

Dec 21, 18 7:13 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

the fire is too small to be an accurate Balkins

Dec 21, 18 8:07 pm  · 
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This is a lovely video about my absolutely favorite artist, Agnes Martin, done by one of my favorite people, John Green.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phYyRNrhZwc

We always told our students at Kentucky GSA to "draw the sensation, not the object". Agnes Martin's work is just, OMG, it's pure. Immutable. I see infinity in them. <siiiiiggggghhhhhhhhh>

Dec 22, 18 12:02 pm  · 
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Wilma Buttfit

Merry Christmas to all!!!

Dec 24, 18 10:54 pm  · 
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curtkram

you too!

Dec 26, 18 11:08 am  · 
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Wilma Buttfit

Only 365 days till Christmas!

Dec 26, 18 12:21 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

might as well leave all the decorations out then.

Dec 26, 18 1:18 pm  · 
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citizen

Same here, belatedly. So, Happy Boxing Day, then.

Dec 26, 18 7:12 pm  · 
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OneLostArchitect

Merry Christmasya filthy animals

Dec 25, 18 9:17 pm  · 
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curtkram

back at ya, and a happy new year!

Dec 26, 18 11:08 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

I have coasters that say that.

Dec 26, 18 12:16 pm  · 
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randomised

Why would anyone like to have coasters that say "that"?

Dec 26, 18 2:23 pm  · 
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archanonymous

And a happy new year!

Dec 27, 18 7:26 pm  · 
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Maybe this is just the work I'm doing today talking, but I'd love to do a studio project - short term, third year - where students randomly pull a dozen Master Format spec section numbers and have to design a building incorporating all of the ones they pick.

Specialties....

Jan 2, 19 5:43 pm  · 
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tduds

I took a Pro Practice course in grad school that attacked this backwards. The whole term revolved around a small design, on which various non-design parts of architecture were imposed. We had to write a spec table of contents that accounted for each material included, as well as 3 spec sections in full.

Jan 2, 19 5:55 pm  · 
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citizen

^ Excellent.

Jan 2, 19 9:10 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

This was an assignment in my prof-prac class. The sections must be random though and you need to edit them to suit the design. We then had to price it and, as a fun twist, incorporate another team's spec section. I think 4 master spec sections were used.

Jan 2, 19 9:14 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

So Donna... now that you've mentioned it and because I just happen to have my old grad school hardrive on hand (blame post xmas purging for this), I dug out the concrete spec I wrote for the project. Here are a few gems I inserted within the spec sections:

  • Conformity to shop drawings is to be upheld under penalty of severe humiliation or possible death (method to be drawn from a hat). Report all discrepancies to consultant before beginning work
  • Any remaining concrete can be kept by contractor only if used to form a personal penguin enclosure
  • Stud finders are not required as the only studs on site are the projects’ respective architects
  • Provide forms for concrete footings unless Resident Engineer determines forms are not necessary or is in the washroom
  • Golfing tee time is at 4pm Friday, BYOB
  • The writing of unnecessarily long lists is fundamental to the successful completion of the project

I got an A+ (96%) in this course... and this was 11 years ago.

Jan 2, 19 9:34 pm  · 
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axonapoplectic

Fypon , EIFS, and airport grade trench drains.

Jan 3, 19 9:18 am  · 
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tduds

Non: that's hilarious.

Jan 3, 19 11:33 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

^Cheers.

Jan 3, 19 12:20 pm  · 
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That is fantastic, Non!

Jan 3, 19 2:05 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

Thanks Donna. We also had an assignment where we needed to create a license exam design question (to suit the NCARB test which were active in canada at time). That's where the penguin reference in the extra concrete line came from as my question had something to do about a go-kart track, penguins, and old nuclear silo. Who said you can't have fun in prof-pract courses?

Jan 3, 19 2:38 pm  · 
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JLC-1

what do you think of this? https://www.virgin.com/richard...

Jan 2, 19 6:27 pm  · 
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archi_dude

Architects could also just use way less glass.

Jan 2, 19 9:33 pm  · 
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randomised

The guy with an airline trying to save the planet, I'm listening...

Jan 3, 19 4:04 am  · 
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JLC-1

are we going full circle? or everybody is more stupid than their parents?

Jan 3, 19 10:09 am  · 
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JLC-1

I have to confess, I don't dislike this gehry as much 

Jan 3, 19 10:10 am  · 
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Bench

But can the firm not afford real renderers ...? Sheesh.

Jan 3, 19 10:12 am  · 
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dislike it as much as ... ?

Jan 3, 19 10:51 am  · 
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JLC-1

as all the rest of things he's done, at least this looks like will not leak, but I can be wrong.


Jan 3, 19 10:59 am  · 
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SneakyPete

I love the flat windows. They really set off the curves. :|  Wouldn't want to be the arch of record holding the liability for the flashing details at all of those disparate conditions.

Jan 3, 19 11:47 am  · 
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Wilma Buttfit

that is quite unremarkable. And they forgot the building trees.

Jan 3, 19 11:49 am  · 
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tduds

Isn't this just the Beekman Tower, but shorter?

Jan 3, 19 11:54 am  · 
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randomised

This might become one of my favourite Gehry's.

Jan 3, 19 2:26 pm  · 
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Mortar is the stuff that holds masonry units together and is visible (and tooled) between units. Grout is the stuff that fills voids in masonry solid.  But grout is also what goes in the gap between tiles, and is visible and tooled-ish between units.

I'm writing specs, obvs. <sigh>

Jan 3, 19 2:07 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

No, mortar is what you place your medicine (or spices, seeds, etc) into before you grind them with a pestle. :)

Jan 4, 19 8:21 pm  · 
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Wilma Buttfit

No, mortar is a type of ballistic weaponry.

Jan 4, 19 8:37 pm  · 
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No, mortar is the silly hat worn at graduation.

Jan 4, 19 9:29 pm  · 
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citizen

No, mortar is when you kill someone in a Three Stooges movie. Oh, wait. That's moider.

Jan 7, 19 1:03 am  · 
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See also Jack Klugman as Quincy...

Jan 7, 19 9:14 am  · 
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Donna, don't know if this helps but I've associated the difference as mortar is applied to something before it is set into place, and grout is applied to something that is already in place. If I was more of a etymologist I'd see if there was some derivation of the words from ancient greek or something like that to back this up, but I'm not and it kind of makes sense to me this way ... or at least helps to explain the difference versus looking at what is visible or not.

Oh, and I lol'ed at citizen's comment

Jan 7, 19 11:40 am  · 
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citizen

Thanks! I'm here all week...

Jan 7, 19 1:40 pm  · 
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JLC-1

cry me a river

https://worldarchitecture.org/...

Jan 4, 19 3:56 pm  · 
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If Zaha's death didn't kill the firm Patrik most certainly will.

Jan 4, 19 6:01 pm  · 
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tduds

Ironic that the world's most prominent Architectural libertarian / Randian is fighting tooth and nail to hang on to the coat-tails he's riding.

Jan 4, 19 6:24 pm  · 
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If it wasn't for Zaha, Patrik would be driving a cab in Frankfurt.

Jan 4, 19 6:42 pm  · 
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randomised

After reading that, it seems to me like Patrik has actually legit reasons to go to court...

Jan 5, 19 2:09 pm  · 
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Wilma Buttfit

Do you guys who aren't partners/owners know what your firm takes in fees? Or is that private info? Trying to find out if it's rude to ask.

Jan 7, 19 6:26 pm  · 
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mightyaa

Firm dependant. Last one was hush hush. This one is happy about making it known but they're engineers.

Jan 7, 19 6:59 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

In my office, client agreement and fee structure is readily available to anyone. Profits or losses are not, but most senior staff know where their projects stand.

Jan 7, 19 7:00 pm  · 
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thatsthat

I typically ask when getting the rundown about the project from senior staff. We are pretty open about it partially because it helps younger staff to know how to prioritize time.

Jan 7, 19 8:36 pm  · 
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curtkram

i think i have a good amount of information.

Jan 7, 19 10:54 pm  · 
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JLC-1

Yes, but no idea of profit

Jan 7, 19 11:01 pm  · 
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Steeplechase

Proposals and contracts are saved in the project folder. Project managers have real time numbers. Quarterly updates to all staff on revenue and profits.

Jan 8, 19 9:28 am  · 
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archiwutm8

Two suicides in two days at my office location...


Year is going swell so far.

Jan 8, 19 9:12 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

Eug, within the staff pool? Where’s this and how big is the office?

Jan 8, 19 9:35 am  · 
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JLC-1

it's the time of the year, solitude, longer nights, cold. Yes, where is this?

Jan 8, 19 10:44 am  · 
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liberty bell

HI! Through a quirk in cross-platform log-in technologies I am liberty bell again!!! But only from my phone. 

Jan 15, 19 9:07 am  · 
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Oh man this is fun. I can have an argument with myself all day long!

Jan 15, 19 9:08 am  · 
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liberty bell

NO YOU CAN’T, DONNA! You have WAY too much work to do today to fritter away hours on TC! This isn’t 2009, after all! Get to work!

Jan 15, 19 9:09 am  · 
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Ugh. Fine.

Jan 15, 19 9:10 am  · 
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It's more fun if one of you is drinking.

Jan 15, 19 9:14 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

pour me one too.

Jan 15, 19 9:22 am  · 
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JLC-1

I like Donna better, liberty seems, um, immature and anxious.



Jan 15, 19 9:20 am  · 
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Definitely true, but somehow liberty didn't swear as much as I do.

Jan 15, 19 9:23 am  · 
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randomised

Funny, usually it's the anon poster that uses more profanity, no?

Jan 15, 19 10:20 am  · 
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Donna's alter-ego:

Jan 15, 19 11:15 am  · 
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randomised

I think that's Liberty Bell's alter-ego ;)

Jan 15, 19 11:22 am  · 
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randomised, you are correct. liberty was much more helpful and calm and rational. I'm on my last nerve already.

Jan 15, 19 12:09 pm  · 
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Just watched someone do a 6 or 7 point turn to turn 180 degrees and back into a parking spot from the other direction. Apparently backing in from the right was too complicated so they decided to do it from the left. 


I need to find a job with a better commute. 

Jan 17, 19 10:15 am  · 
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tduds

Rant: The lack of standard / consistency in contractor shop drawings is absolutely astounding to me. A common one that drives me nuts is I'll review a submittal and mark it up, and receive a re-submittal with the pages in a different order. Why?

Current example: two doors for an ADA platform lift. Same company, same platform, the lower door is provided in metric, the upper in feet + inches. Why???

Overall I don't mind CA but... man, sometimes I just don't understand what happens on the other side.

Jan 17, 19 12:04 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

Sometimes I return/refuse a set of shop drawings within minutes of receiving them (if I catch the email notification). That gets the sub's attention.

Jan 17, 19 12:37 pm  · 
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tduds

I was pretty "green" at the outset of this project. It's the first project of this scale I've captained through CA - so I went in feeling a bit, uh, submissive? Getting comfortable with that sort of leverage has been the big learning experience of 2018. Definitely going to command higher standards next time around.

Jan 17, 19 12:53 pm  · 
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gibbost

Fabricators and subs rarely have the money to afford a quality drafter. They'll bring in anyone that can simply open the software. Drafting standards are foreign to them. I remember one particular project where I finally got fed up marking up the drawings so I called the [railing fabricator] and asked to speak to the cad tech. I can't make this up . . . the guy said 'what's paper space?' He then went on to tell me that he drafted everything in model space and then used the 'scale button' to get the drawing to the proper scale on the page. Madness! But shit seems to get built this way everyday.

Jan 17, 19 1:02 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

my current CA pet peeve is with the wc stall guys. On my last CA job over the summer, I even warned the green PM that this would be a headache. How can a sub return to me plans with irrelevant dimensions with no reference to my critical dims on plans and take weeks to give me a list of hardware. They eventually mailed me a sample of every component because they had no one on staff that could find the pdfs or whatever. I eventually gave the samples back (those that were ok) and they got installed.

Jan 17, 19 1:21 pm  · 
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JLC-1

we have a construction delay of 5 months on a house because the steel shop owner died days before starting the job and his minions don't know how to read plans, do shop drawings, or read redlines. 2 moment frames, about 6 columns and 6 w beams. unbelievable.

Jan 17, 19 3:07 pm  · 
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Bench

NS when you're turning back the shop drawings as a point of sloppy submission, what is your noted rationale to the manufacturer (what do you tell them directly)? What do you say if/when they protest? I am fortunate that the main project I worked CA on had a very advanced Tekla group producing all shop drawings and were very savvy in working hand-in-hand with me to get the project finished accurately. I cant imagine how to approach telling a manufacturer that their work is shit.

Jan 17, 19 3:10 pm  · 
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gibbost

JLC, I think this speaks to a comment in another thread about how small and compartmentalized much of our industry really is. While there are certainly large AE firms, GCs, and developers, the majority of work is still completed by small businesses and shops with very unsophisticated systems in place. It can be both refreshing and tiring to learn that your project is being worked on by a 4th generation terrrazo installer or master carpenter -- but when something happens to that 'one guy', then what?

Jan 17, 19 3:13 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

Bench, it depends, but normally I make it very clear in a follow-up email or as a big note on the cover page of the submission where the drawings fail to meet our specifications. Our P.eng do the same but they might wait a week to tell the sub. I do it within the hour of submission if that's the case.

For example, if I get a misc steel shop drawing and their stairs and handrails are written in french (happens often) then it gets rejected immediately even-though I'm fully fluent.  Same goes if the subs simply copy-pasted my details as their own or they lazily submit whatever in hopes that I add all the critical info.

On larger projects, I put in a call to the PM before rejecting the drawings so they have time to diffuse it with the subs.

Jan 17, 19 3:19 pm  · 
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JLC-1

precisely, but, they keep going, I'm sure we would have had less delays if they had told us from the get go they didn't know what they were doing and we could have found other shop. And, I think steel suppliers do favor large jobs in detriment of small ones, there is also a shortage of material apparently.

Jan 17, 19 3:20 pm  · 
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Rusty!

gibb, construction industry is pretty hot right now, so even 4th string quarterbacks can butt fumble into a paying gig. Best contractors are working on best projects, and I guess none of us work on best anything...

Jan 17, 19 3:23 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

Y'all checking the dimensions, then? Good to see Architects doing the GC's job even in 2019.

Jan 17, 19 4:17 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

^we don't verify nor do we confirm dimensions. I'll even request the GC remove all language on their drawings that refers to the "architect is responsible for ...." They complain, but fuck them. You're building the millwork, go to site and measure.

Jan 17, 19 4:48 pm  · 
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JLC-1

of course i'm checking dimensions from a crackhead doing shop dwgs.

Jan 17, 19 5:02 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

JLC has it right, checking is not the same as confirming.

Jan 17, 19 5:13 pm  · 
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JLC-1

checking dimensions on the drawings after the gc gives me field dimensions.

Jan 17, 19 5:20 pm  · 
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tduds

V.I.F. on everything, even if you watched it get Verified 10 minutes earlier.

Jan 18, 19 12:12 pm  · 
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JLC-1

cabinetry is full of VIF notes

Jan 18, 19 12:48 pm  · 
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tduds

|---EQ. V.I.F.--|---EQ. V.I.F.--|---EQ. V.I.F.--|---EQ. V.I.F.--|

Jan 18, 19 2:10 pm  · 
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archi_dude

I think this goes for all industries outside of architecture just in general. On the opposite end of construction, I’ve been doing an owner construction report in excel for a publicly traded REIT and I didn’t realize that the original had come straight from the owner as a “template.” I had adjusted it so images lined up in cells, text was centered, same font ect. About 3 reports in they scolded me and sent their “template” again that was the original random column widths, mismatching image sizes, half text boxes half unaligned cell text. Been filling it out since just shaking my head that this is a presentation piece to investors. 

Jan 17, 19 5:30 pm  · 
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JLC-1

"conservatism is an illness"

Jan 17, 19 5:35 pm  · 
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conservatism is a mental illness

There, fixed it for you.

Jan 17, 19 7:14 pm  · 
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randomised

It depends, some things are worth conserving and keeping the way they are, others not so much. To call it an illness or even mental illness sounds very conservative to me.

Jan 18, 19 3:42 am  · 
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JLC-1

when somebody does things in a way for a long time, and is not open to change it for something that's proven to work better, what do you call it to sound progressive?

Jan 18, 19 10:30 am  · 
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randomised

That's a different story, being against conservatism without looking at the particulars just sounds very dated to me and unprogressive. Just because something's been done a certain way, doesn't mean it needs to change for the sake of progress, sometimes progress/change is for the worst, simply look at climate change...

Jan 18, 19 11:21 am  · 
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I'm conservative about conservatism.

Jan 19, 19 10:31 pm  · 
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shellarchitect

anyone in the Detroit area want to meet up next Wed?  

I'm presenting Building Codes 101 & 102 with the rest of the AIA BCRC (Building Code and Regulations Committee)

Jan 18, 19 10:08 am  · 
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OneLostArchitect

LTU?

Jan 18, 19 5:31 pm  · 
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shellarchitect

That's right, looks like about 200 ppl are coming so far, should be a good event. Focus will be on items that code
officials look for on permit drawings

Jan 19, 19 7:17 pm  · 
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OneLostArchitect

will try to make it. Im only 15 minutes from LTU

Jan 19, 19 9:45 pm  · 
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Bench

Shell - will there be a livestream?

Jan 20, 19 9:30 am  · 
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OneLostArchitect

Won’t be able to make it... can someone Facebook live or Pericscope?

Jan 20, 19 3:55 pm  · 
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shellarchitect

boooo

Jan 21, 19 3:54 pm  · 
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shellarchitect

I'll see if someone can record it for posterity

Jan 21, 19 3:54 pm  · 
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shellarchitect

I don't think so, at least one other AIA chapter requested that as well.  A pdf will be available here though:

http://aiadetroit.com/resource...

Jan 20, 19 10:42 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

just finished shoveling snow 30cm deep. Still snowing. 





Jan 20, 19 12:31 pm  · 
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Just had 3" of rain, glad it wasn't snow. Now the temp is dropping, going to 9F tonight (-13C for you third-worlders). -12F/-24C with wind chill.

Jan 20, 19 1:15 pm  · 
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@$#%&?! iPad

Jan 20, 19 1:15 pm  · 
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curtkram

great day to watch the patriots lose

Jan 20, 19 1:45 pm  · 
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OneLostArchitect

Same here.... I have a 100’ driveway... I’m in rural country and need to invest in a plow for my John Deere

Jan 20, 19 2:20 pm  · 
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geezertect

Any day is a good day to watch the Patriots lose.

Jan 20, 19 2:57 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

Ha, great call on the Pats. My driveway can fit 4 cars length wise...

Jan 20, 19 3:06 pm  · 
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OneLostArchitect

Brady all the way baby!

Jan 20, 19 4:32 pm  · 
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tduds

Watching the Patriots lose only seems great because of its rarity.

Jan 22, 19 3:07 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

it’s -37 today. I won’t even bother clarifying if C of F because at that temp, everyone just says fuck it. 



Jan 21, 19 7:51 am  · 
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JLC-1

ans still have fingers to type?

Jan 21, 19 10:00 am  · 
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According to Jack London when you spit at 40 below it freezes on contact with the ground. Lower than that it freezes in the air with a snap before it hits the ground. Maybe you could try it Non and let us know what happens.

Jan 21, 19 10:07 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

Fingers are fine, probably some-what already permanently frozen just from living here every winter. My phone's battery did lose almost half it's power during my 10min walk tho because it was in an un-insulated breast pocket. I'll try the spit thing tonight when I leave.

Jan 21, 19 10:13 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

same this morning too Jla, but looking to go to a scorching -2C tomorrow.

Jan 22, 19 1:54 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

A good chunk of that movie was filmed in canada, so technically, it's a bison carcass. I'll show myself out.

Jan 22, 19 2:24 pm  · 
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Almosthip7

Spend half my year living at that temperature, but at least mines a dry cold ;)

Jan 22, 19 3:18 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

Setting up a gaming mouse (logitech G600) for my office revit use... got 24 commands I can set up to it.  This will be a fun morning.

Jan 24, 19 8:39 am  · 
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citizen

Which button for "make fresh pot of coffee"? ;o]

Jan 25, 19 5:22 pm  · 
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shellarchitect

had coffee with some guys at JLL's Project Development Team, seems like they are basically an Owner's Rep.  Apparently they love their jobs and get paid well for their work.   Anyone has any experience working for or with these guys?

I told them to keep me in mind should they decide to add ppl

Jan 28, 19 8:02 am  · 
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archanonymous

I did a major interior renovation with JLL as CM and Building Management. Was kinda strange since they have separate groups for CM/ Project Development and Property Management and the two didn't always work together perfectly. As a whole though, decent for a CM/ Building Manager. Not the most design-focused but willing to defer to the architect on most things, though cost always sneaks in as a main driver. Very nice people, but it seems like a bit of a clubby old-dude atmosphere.

Jan 28, 19 8:49 am  · 
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axonapoplectic

does JLL still have a GC division?

Jan 28, 19 10:25 am  · 
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axonapoplectic

I did a fit-out with JLL who was acting as GC. Their site super was great, but their paper pusher was difficult to work with. I know people who used to work for them and now on the developer side - they havent said anything bad abt them except for there was an exodus after the economy started turning around.

Jan 28, 19 12:03 pm  · 
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shellarchitect

thanks, will ask some additional questions if something materializes

Jan 28, 19 2:39 pm  · 
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archanonymous

not sure re: the GC division. they seem to be pretty silo'd.

Jan 28, 19 5:05 pm  · 
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axonapoplectic

my days are starting to be less “I’m in over my head” and more “I’m not paid enough for this shit.”

Jan 28, 19 2:58 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

join the club. We'd have matching jackets but... no time to pick a design.

Jan 28, 19 3:01 pm  · 
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randomised

Congrats, this means you can either ask for a raise or look for new opportunities that fit your skill set and experience, exciting times!

Jan 28, 19 3:34 pm  · 
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proto

it's sunny today

i hope the polar vortex folks are surviving

Jan 29, 19 5:20 pm  · 
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shellarchitect

i'm surviving so far by changing nothing from my normal routine of walking from my car to the office in less than a minute.  Unfortunate I have a site meeting today, hopefully the trailer is warm.  school is cancelled for today and tomorrow, wife unhappy.

Jan 30, 19 9:14 am  · 
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curtkram

i did wear a thermal layer under my pants, and brought wool socks. i don't entirely trust the building's mechanical systems.

Jan 30, 19 9:32 am  · 
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Wilma Buttfit

I only wear wool socks.

Jan 30, 19 10:10 am  · 
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Pics please.

Jan 30, 19 10:25 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

I had a site visit this morning at 9am. I carried my steel-toe boots in a bag and changed out of my snow boots just before the meeting. Those protective steel plates just suck all the heat away.

Jan 30, 19 10:35 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

Are they certified for job site?

Jan 30, 19 5:11 pm  · 
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Wilma Buttfit

I remember a week of 40 below wind-chill in the midwest in 2001 where I accidently locked myself in an unused garage. I was only there a few minutes when my roommate unexpectedly came home and saved me.



Jan 30, 19 9:22 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

We’ve been floating around the -40 for over a week now. People are dropping like flies from exposure.

Jan 30, 19 9:32 am  · 
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Wilma Buttfit

How long does it take to "drop" in weather like this?

Jan 30, 19 10:10 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

depends on your health and level of exposure, obviously... but for example, a prominent political figure' 90-something year old mother died last week because her nursing home forgot to account for her following a fire alarm evacuation. Woman did not even make it around the building to that main doors. A few more in the news, mostly elderly.

Jan 30, 19 10:21 am  · 
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Wilma Buttfit

Fire alarm? Was there an actual fire?

Jan 30, 19 11:47 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

nope. not sure if it was a false alarm or a scheduled drill.

Jan 30, 19 12:21 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

62, below 0?

Jan 30, 19 12:36 pm  · 
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randomised

62K?

Jan 30, 19 12:56 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

62K is -211C.

Jan 30, 19 1:00 pm  · 
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Bench

People keep asking me if its as cold as it was when I lived up North (like, way up there).


The answer is no, this is still quite balmy and I still dont need to wear a toque to work. Joy!

Jan 30, 19 1:46 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

I'm just gonna leave this here.


https://thec64.com/

Feb 3, 19 11:16 pm  · 
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JLC-1

that is sick awesome.

Feb 4, 19 2:55 pm  · 
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OMG WHY DOES ANYONE PURPOSEFULLY USE GOOGLE DOCS WHEN IT SUCKS SO BAD?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? ARGGGGGHHHHHH I AM IN HELL!!!

Feb 4, 19 2:33 pm  · 
 · 
SneakyPete

Same reason people use unpaid interns. 

Feb 4, 19 4:05 pm  · 
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Wood Guy

I thought I was the only one... Trying to share files via Google Drive is just as bad, IMO.

Feb 4, 19 4:06 pm  · 
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randomised

Never had to work with it, generally use Dropbox for file sharing.

Feb 5, 19 12:51 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

you get what you paid for.

Feb 5, 19 7:51 am  · 
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liberty bell

If you worked on a building and a super famous artist was involved in the design wouldn’t you credit that person? 


I’m not talking about my husband, by the way. This is totally unrelated to me. 

Feb 5, 19 7:48 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

Icongnito again I see. Why would one not credit the artist if they had a role?

Feb 5, 19 7:51 am  · 
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randomised

I hate it when people don't give credit properly, usually a sign of insecurity and a lack of talent.

Feb 5, 19 8:34 am  · 
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Exactly, randomised. If you're confident in yourself you don't mind sharing credit when it's due, IMO. I do it constantly, though my therapist would say that the truth is I'm too insecure about other people *thinking* I'm claiming credit and that's why I can't ever take credit myself? LOL I will definitely take credit for the "Ability To Overthink Anything To Ruin" prize!

Feb 5, 19 9:09 am  · 
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Bloopox

Yes of course I'd credit the super-famous artist. I'd be careful how I credited them so some jealous other-artist or unhinged "building designer" would not be able to report them to authorities for practicing architecture! I don't usually care about taking/getting credit  - except in situations where something that I did most of is wholly credited to someone whose real role/involvement was in the 0-5% range - in which case it irks me for decades!

Feb 6, 19 12:46 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

I'm really not into that "General Whateverthefuck" thread.

Feb 6, 19 12:37 pm  · 
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randomised

Apparently Rick can't post in TC, that's why.

Feb 6, 19 1:35 pm  · 
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citizen

Could that arrangement be expanded?

Feb 6, 19 1:42 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

I don't know about that Citizen... we might miss on some crucial business card etiquette.

Feb 6, 19 1:47 pm  · 
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citizen

Hmmmm... you may be right, NS. My very favorite part is the sheer volume of text it takes to finally, finally get to the small nugget of absolutely incorrect information.

Feb 6, 19 1:56 pm  · 
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SpontaneousCombustion

It's not just the tiny nugget of wrongness. It's how f'ing intractable he is. Like business cards: he could google "should students have business cards" or "what to put on new grad's business card" and see 95% of the world agrees with 95% of thread respondents. But he won't, he'll stick with wrong until nobody's left to care, because he absolutely can't admit he's wrong or learn.

Feb 6, 19 2:15 pm  · 
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citizen

It's that and more, I think. My strong hunch is that this is one of the only connections he has to people. So, why say in ten words what can be blathered in a thousand (at no extra cost), for more reaction (and maximum return)? Not that he's likely aware of this, but it seems to be a driving force for him. 

And now, the Dime Store Shrink is off-duty.

Feb 6, 19 2:30 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

Not a good look to insult the dude where he can't respond. I was commenting on the thread, didn't realize that was the reason. Doesn't change my opinion about it though.

Feb 6, 19 4:21 pm  · 
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citizen

No insult intended, just observation and opinion. 

Rick, even if you can't post here, you may be able to read this. If so, we've all got our baggage; Lord knows I've got mine. Feel free to opine on my compulsion toward sarcasm and joking, and my impatience with lazy "journalism."

Feb 6, 19 5:10 pm  · 
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Aw, citizen that's an excellent post.

Feb 6, 19 10:14 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

I'm super pumped about my future fountain pen / scale combo from that kickstarter gig.  Anyone else throw a few bones at it?

Feb 7, 19 8:46 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

Only 14 individual spots left for the single pen option ($50USD). hurry!

Feb 7, 19 10:13 am  · 
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