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b3tadine[sutures]

the idea that Gabard or the other duplicitous idiot Dan Crenshaw would potentially be viable alternative for President, is beyond laughable.

Jan 15, 21 4:00 pm  · 
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tduds

Crenshaw is a terrible human being.

edit: Is someone suggesting that?

Jan 15, 21 4:38 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

tduds, yes.

Jan 15, 21 5:23 pm  · 
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tduds

Here's a fun little story about Crenshaw's ridiculousness: https://twitter.com/mikeduncan/status/1349711147025489921 

I could dig up a dozen dumber and more outlandish things about him, this one just happened across my screen today.

Jan 15, 21 6:43 pm  · 
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I'm still laughing about Crenshaw voting by proxy against impeachment on Wednesday after he declared last year that voting by proxy was "cowardly."

Jan 15, 21 8:33 pm  · 
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tduds

Crenshaw gives off a real "Jack Ripper in Dr. Strangelove" energy to me. Militaristic to a frightening level.

Jan 16, 21 11:43 am  · 
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tduds

"and will do anything to avoid having to kick someones ass outside the ring." Dude read the twitter thread I posted. It's 100% him kicking ass (well, pretending to in a weird jingoistic action fantasy) to install Trump for a second term. Fuck him.

Jan 16, 21 12:09 pm  · 
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square.

crenshaw’s back door comments making fun of aoc for being a service worker, while bragging about his military conquests was enough for me.

Jan 16, 21 12:16 pm  · 
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tduds

Gonna end this week on a positive note: https://www.washingtonpost.com...

In a move that signals the importance of science to the incoming administration, President-elect Joe Biden (D) announced Friday a plan to make the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy a Cabinet-level agency.

To head the office, Biden nominated Eric Lander, a mathematician and geneticist who helped map the human genome and founded the Broad Institute

Jan 15, 21 6:59 pm  · 
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Koww

the libs need to get out of the cities and intermarry with the republitards. or maybe it doesn't need to be wholesale... there could be one prominent lib/maga power couple to create peace

Jan 15, 21 7:18 pm  · 
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tduds

No thanks.

Jan 15, 21 9:54 pm  · 
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proto

You just invented a fetish category — porn will never be the same

Jan 15, 21 11:59 pm  · 
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Wood Guy

Rule 34

Jan 16, 21 10:28 am  · 
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Koww

twitter dude + insane congresswoman from georgia?

Jan 16, 21 1:06 pm  · 
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apscoradiales

x-jla,

Media has become highly polarised right around the World, not just in the States. Up here in Canada, I cannot mention the word "Israel" in our taxpayer funded media company, CBC, without getting my comment deleted. An example came up the other day, Canadian provinces have a horrible record of vaccinating people against Covid (due to health care responsibility being shared by the Federal government, and the provincial governments - both are totally incompetent), and I said how come Israel has already managed to vaccinate most of it people.

Well, next thing, CBC bans my comment! I cannot mention the word China either - comment gets deleted!

I used to trust BBC more than any other media in the World, but even they are slipping as of late. CNN is probably the worst in the World - they give North Korean media companies a good run for their money. Wonder who they will pick on once Trump is gone or will they blame all the ills of US on him for the next 50 years.

Jan 16, 21 12:41 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

You're really chasing the wrong villain, here.

Jan 16, 21 12:46 pm  · 
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apscoradiales

who is the villain??? i'm late to this discussion, maybe i got it all screwed up.

Jan 16, 21 12:48 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

Trump and his cohort in the GOP. His sycophantic followers.
culture, created by the right, that allowed him to thrive.

Jan 16, 21 1:28 pm  · 
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randomised

Do you go complain on the CBC forum if your comment on the archinect forum gets removed? Just wondering...

Jan 16, 21 3:51 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

Aps, tbh, the cbc forums have been a disaster for years. I'm still surprised that they even open articles for comments at all. It was a fun place to throw inteligent snark out in the wild and see what kind of baffoon finds the time in their important lives to be offended but those days are long gone.

Jan 16, 21 5:09 pm  · 
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tduds

I don't know if this is common knowledge but the current president of CNN, Jeff Zucker, was largely responsible for green-lighting and building The Apprentice at his previous job as president of NBC Entertainment. In case you're looking for who to thank for all this.

Jan 19, 21 11:46 pm  · 
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tduds

Make no mistake CNN is 90% inane garbage, but the idea that a large swath of The Left lionizes CNN the way that a large swath of The Right lionizes Fox is hilarious, and says more about how The Right sees the world than anything else.

Jan 19, 21 11:48 pm  · 
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tduds

I know zero people who talk about CNN the way anyone talks about Fox. I know a lot of people who talk about Fox as the pinnacle of truth and trust. Fealty skews to one side, for lots of reasons, is all I'm saying.

Jan 20, 21 11:58 am  · 
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tduds

Seems relevant here.

Jan 18, 21 12:40 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

instructions unclear, mustard did not make this shoe easier to digest.

Jan 18, 21 12:51 pm  · 
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tduds

Wrong again.

Jan 19, 21 12:31 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

we talking about Bush sr. Jla?

Jan 19, 21 12:31 pm  · 
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tduds

Credit where credit's due: In one of the Trump administrations final acts, something I firmly agree with.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/0...


Jan 20, 21 12:38 am  · 
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SneakyPete

broken clock, blind squirrel, etc

Jan 20, 21 12:52 pm  · 
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apscoradiales

Don't hold your breath! Biden will be kissing China's ass all the way. And Iran's.

Jan 20, 21 12:53 pm  · 
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tduds

read the damn article. Or don't, it's in the headline: "..follows a Biden campaign statement with the same declaration."

Jan 20, 21 12:58 pm  · 
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randomised

The world needs more kissing and less bombing!

Jan 20, 21 12:59 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

There's a massive difference between recognizing that China is a world economy who we have, like it or not, many critical relationships with and kissing its ass, but nuance, man; fuck nuance. Right?

Jan 20, 21 1:10 pm  · 
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apscoradiales

Nuances when dealing with China and Iran?

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Naivety of a grand order.

Jan 20, 21 1:33 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

good to see your transition to boomer is going well.

Jan 20, 21 1:45 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

And, if you read (not so) carefully, you'll see that I was mocking YOU for a lack of nuance, not the government. But fuck reading comprehension when you can get in a cheap shot, right?

Jan 20, 21 1:46 pm  · 
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sameolddoctor

China and Iran are not the same lol. One is a competitor that wants to and has the power to belittle the US, and the other can be a valuable ally in a volatile region, that really has no potent power to harm the US.

Jan 20, 21 1:49 pm  · 
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tduds

Hey would ya look at that, the president changed and the policy was immediately reaffirmed. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2021/01/19/biden-nominee-antony-blinken-china-committing-genocide-uyghurs/4215835001/

Jan 20, 21 1:49 pm  · 
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tduds

Obama had one of the best and most nuanced (separate) sets of policy towards China and (separately) Iran, but we weren't ready for it.

It's one of the few things I will give him huge credit for. Plenty to criticize about the Obama Admin, but he got these ones right (well, he tried to)

Jan 20, 21 2:39 pm  · 
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apscoradiales

Seriously?

Jan 20, 21 3:24 pm  · 
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tduds

This is a long, but very good, analysis of Obama's foreign policy in almost-retrospect (from 2015). It stuck in my mind as one of the better attempts to explain his administration's strategy, and I found it rather brilliant: https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/barack-obama-is-a-foreign-policy-grandmaster

Happy as always to entertain good faith suggestions to the contrary, if you've got em.

Jan 20, 21 3:53 pm  · 
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apscoradiales

From the linked article, "...Zbigniew Brzezinski, national security adviser to President Carter, who shattered the Soviet Empire...", HUH? How much credibility does the article or the author have if they say that?! I'll give you this, Obama gave the green light to kill OBL. Good!

Jan 20, 21 5:32 pm  · 
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tduds

I don't know a ton about Brzezinski. Please, enlighten us.

Jan 20, 21 7:34 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Reagan took a lot of credit for shit he had nothing to do with. Iran Hostages, Middle East, etc...the heavy lifting was likely done by Carter; he actually stood for something, and wasn't a fraud like Ronnie Raygun.

Jan 20, 21 8:41 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

The work was done by Carter, but the credit? You might say it trickled down to Reagan.

Jan 20, 21 9:13 pm  · 
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BabbleBeautiful

Now if we can get US to recognize the Armenian genocide that would be +++

Jan 21, 21 10:05 am  · 
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randomised


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Jan 20, 21 1:02 pm  · 
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apscoradiales

"...sameolddoctor

...the other [Iran ]can be a valuable ally in a volatile region, that really has no potent power to harm the US..."

Only when Hell freezes over. Currently, Iran is the most dangerous nation to US, the region, and immediate World peace...until China grows a bit stronger.

Biden will have his heads full dealing with them. Lets see how he does; US and World security are at stake here.

Jan 20, 21 3:23 pm  · 
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randomised

Currently, [the US] is the most dangerous nation to US, the region, and immediate World peace...until China grows a bit stronger.

Jan 20, 21 4:48 pm  · 
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apscoradiales

Only if the Americans don't put US first!

"...The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them...", to paraphrase Marx. US should be careful, China is patiently waiting.


Jan 20, 21 5:18 pm  · 
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sameolddoctor

Iran's military capabilities, though strong have nothing on China. Most of Iran is still in a very "developing" stage. China is a whole another story, with tons of military, resolve and balls.

Jan 21, 21 1:09 am  · 
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BabbleBeautiful

apscoradiales, before I smack you upside the head I'd like to give you a chance to explain why you think Iran is so dangerous to the US.

Jan 21, 21 10:13 am  · 
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tduds

The US policy towards Iran from 1953 to about 2012 (then again from 2017-2020) created the animosity we're now dealing with. aps is suggesting we return to that policy.

Jan 21, 21 10:31 am  · 
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BabbleBeautiful

tduds, I'm only down-thumbing your comment because I don't agree with the idea of returning to that policy. This country needs to stop meddling/policing.

Jan 21, 21 10:50 am  · 
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tduds

Agreed, bb.

Jan 21, 21 11:37 am  · 
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Feeling significantly lighter about the world today. And the Poet Laureate's poem was so, so damn good.

Jan 20, 21 5:52 pm  · 
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apscoradiales

tduds,

Zbigniew Brzezinski, was a Polish born American counselor to US President Johnson, and a National Security Advisor to President Carter.

By the fact that he was born in Easter Europe, plus some more education made him a good choice to be the advisor to Carter who wasn't really well versed in things communism or World politics in general.

He did alright, imo. But to claim he did away with communism in Soviet Union is more than naive. That claim you can assign to the Russian communists themselves as well as President Reagan and Pope John Paul II, a Pole himself. The commies finally realised that they could not compete with US economically and militarily - weapons race was taking way too much money and energy out of the Soviets. Gorbachev, Soviet President, began to pull the plug on communism with his Glasnost programme, Yeltsin finished it. But it took Reagan to light a fire under them, and probably the person who had the most to do with communism falling apart, from the outside was the Pope. You see, when push-comes-to-shove, religion, particularly Christianity plays a huge part in their lives. They never forget that God put them here in spite of Marx, Engels and Lenin preaching. In other words, they listened to the Pope, even though he was not the head of the Orthodox religion - predominant one in Russia - and the Pope told them, on several occasions, this communism stuff is not good! Drop that shit! So they did. The Pope and Reagan spoke to each other often trying to figure out how to do away with the communists not just in Soviet Union but right across Eastern Europe. I have great admiration for Reagan because of that, but even more that he put pride into Americans after they went through a stupid war in Vietnam and losing it in the end. USA was down and out after that war. Reagan made the Americans feel proud of themselves, their history and many great things that they have done. Frankly, had it not been for him, Americans and the rest of the World might very well be speaking Russian today. This is why I'm nervous with Biden being the President vis-a-vis China. Unless Biden realises China is up to no good, we may all be speaking Mandarin.

Roughly, that's what happened to the commies in Soviet Union, and who put them out of business...and more.

There is a famous story - true - that goes something like this; Gorbachev was looking for advice on what to do, and decided to go and see the Pope in the Vatican. Why, his wife asked. Because he is one of us (a Slav), replied Gorbachev.

Jan 20, 21 9:16 pm  · 
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tduds

"But to claim he did away with communism in Soviet Union is more than naive." 

Good thing the article doesn't claim that, then.

Jan 20, 21 11:07 pm  · 
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tduds

The rest of what you said is similarly silly and reductive.

Jan 20, 21 11:09 pm  · 
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randomised

Your political views are from the time people smoked in the office ;-)

Jan 21, 21 8:08 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

Ooooooh, good old JP the Deuce.


Jan 21, 21 8:13 am  · 
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randomised

"Your political views are from the time people smoked in the office ;-)"

Was meant for aps obvs

Jan 21, 21 6:03 pm  · 
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apscoradiales

Alright tduds,

 "...Zbigniew Brzezinski, national security adviser to President Carter, who shattered the Soviet Empire..."

It's ok to disagree, but tell me which part I said is incorrect. You have a different version? I'll be happy to read it.

Jan 21, 21 9:12 am  · 
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tduds

Read the article. It goes into detail.

Jan 21, 21 10:29 am  · 
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tduds

Also please learn to use the reply function, you're mucking up the flow.

Jan 21, 21 10:30 am  · 
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apscoradiales

"Reply" option doesn't always appear at my end. Dunno why.

Jan 21, 21 10:38 am  · 
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tduds

Bummer, sorry about that.

Jan 21, 21 10:39 am  · 
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liberty bell

apscoradiales, are you using the mobile app for Archinect? It’s out of date. That might be why reply isn’t working?

Jan 21, 21 12:27 pm  · 
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apscoradiales

windows laptop, google chrome app

Jan 21, 21 1:17 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

chrome app? you mean the browser? I use the browser and see the reply link just fine unless someone I have on ignore posts, then I need to go back to the first post in a thread for the reply link. If you use extensions, one of them might be removing the reply link.

Jan 21, 21 2:20 pm  · 
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apscoradiales

yeah, browser. I don't have anyone on ignore list, I don't think. wouldn't know how to set one up, lol. sometimes I see the reply, sometimes I do not.

Jan 21, 21 8:13 pm  · 
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apscoradiales

"...tduds

Read the article. It goes into detail..."

No "Reply" option, so I'll start another thread;

I did read the whole article. Now tell me your side. I'm keen to hear it.

Jan 21, 21 10:43 am  · 
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randomised

“a handful of angry idiot Portland kids”




Jan 21, 21 10:48 am  · 
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tduds

Why are you using a screenshot from the largest newspaper in the state to make a point about the media ignoring this protest?

Jan 21, 21 11:56 am  · 
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tduds

Again all the things you're saying are true and also this is a very poor example of the things you're saying.

Jan 21, 21 11:57 am  · 
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BabbleBeautiful

Perhaps you or anyone shouldn't be using MSM or any single news source as a way to understand reality.

Any more therapy advice and I'll have to charge.

Jan 21, 21 12:44 pm  · 
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tduds

For the record, this isn't "Antifa", nor is Antifa "embracing" any form of "anarchy". 

The group most likely behind yesterdays events in Portland was PDXYLF. They've been plastering the city with "J20" protest posters & graffiti since November. Of course there's plenty of overlap between the people who show up for protests, and frequently the most destructive elements are the same small group only superficially aligned (& at times not at all aligned) with the protest leaders. But the location, leadership (or lack thereof), tactics, and goals differ. And recognizing these differences is paramount in understanding the events from day to day, month to month. 

To conflate BLM, Antifa, Black Bloc, YLF, or Sunrise, or Extinction Rebellion, into one nebulous "leftist" movement is to reduce the truth to a useless binary. To do this while whining about the lack of "truth" in media is more than a little embarrassing. 

It's extremely frustrating to live near Portland and have to constantly put up with the falsehoods constantly thrown at me by people who have never been to Oregon and would have trouble locating the city on a map of the US, much less the location of the protests on a map of Portland. It's not just you, so excuse me if my disdain for that spills over into this response.

In short, you're out of your element. I'm disengaging from this one. I know you won't, so... cheers.

Jan 21, 21 1:00 pm  · 
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tduds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCNUOZG9974

Jan 21, 21 1:46 pm  · 
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tduds

I give you so much more good faith than you've ever deserved and you act like a complete asshole in response, every time. Fuck off.

Jan 21, 21 1:54 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

He's a tenacious piece of mold, I'll give him that.

Jan 21, 21 2:07 pm  · 
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tduds

My god you're back to this old pap again? You really do only have one point. Like a god damn broken record for the last... what's it been now... 4? 5 years? How many thousands of posts? Fuuuuuck offff.

Jan 21, 21 2:12 pm  · 
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tduds

You're going back on ignore for a few weeks.

Jan 21, 21 2:14 pm  · 
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randomised

Wait a minute! I posted that screenshot...just to point out that this local news item has global reach, it was posted on a middle of the road news/opinion site in the Netherlands about the inauguration. I reposted the remark of a handful angry idiot kids as those "antifa!" shouting "kids" in black look quite intimidating to me, no need to downplay im(h)o :-)

Jan 21, 21 5:14 pm  · 
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tduds

Whoops. Still... I see a relatively small and relatively young group there.

Jan 21, 21 6:24 pm  · 
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randomised

I can't really see numbers or age, they merge into one because of their standard Antifa all-black dresscode, hoodies and masks, much more intimidating than the Dukes of Hazzard freakshow that stormed the Capitol.

Jan 21, 21 6:58 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

more intimidating? oh, then they're obviously worse, then. Since it's a game, we're keeping score, and the better shitty people get to win... what exactly?

Jan 21, 21 7:01 pm  · 
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tduds

Rereading the above I realize that my attempt to explain reality might have come off as a tacit condoning of what happened. Just want to chime back in once more to say I definitely don't. My anger above was directed not at the condemnation of violence, but at the misconstruing (deliberately or simply out of naivete) of who was involved, for lazy political "gotcha" points. 

There was a lot about the Portland protests I supported, but lately it seems like they've lost direction and the real changemakers & organizers have moved on. What's left is a largely aimless angry Lord of the Flies esque group of (mostly white middle class) Gen Z'ers who've decided to hijack the momentum to fuck some shit up. It's dumb & self-defeating & I hope they get over it soon, there's real progressive work to be done.

Jan 21, 21 8:33 pm  · 
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tduds

Don't you start.

Jan 21, 21 8:53 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

"...extreme focus on a right wing inauguartion attack that never even materialized..."

I'm guessing it never materialized, despite their attempts only a week before, had something to do with 25k troops, with live ammo? 

aside from that, you're another waste.

Jan 21, 21 8:56 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

"That's what you do to deter crime" ... Yeah, if you want to live in a police state. You know, like a fascist state? Otherwise you need to look at the root cause. But the real root cause, not the racist ones that get trotted out when people mention "root cause."

Jan 21, 21 10:46 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

Oh, and a preemptory fuck off, because I know that won't change your dumb fucking mind. On ignore you go.

Jan 21, 21 10:47 pm  · 
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randomised

“ more intimidating? oh, then they're obviously worse, then.”

No not worse, just different. Some go out of their way to hide their identity when they commit their crimes, the Dukes of Hazzard-crowd goes out protesting in Halloween party dress and broadcasts their idiocy all over the internet...

Jan 22, 21 2:17 am  · 
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liberty bell

Biden’s been President for over 24 hours and I’ve only seen ONE tearful video of a QAnon-er crying about the lack of storm. I need more.

Jan 21, 21 12:22 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

Well, in those 24hrs, I've got more work done than in the last week or so. Coincidence?

Jan 21, 21 8:44 pm  · 
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tduds

You know, I think I'm finally sick of explaining reality to (who I'm assuming are) 40-something white dudes. This thread isn't really about "Politics" anymore, if it ever was. Maybe this is what people think politics is now, but it ain't for me. I tried. Cheers.

Jan 21, 21 9:08 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

yes, but have you tried harder? Don't give up, you can do this!

Jan 21, 21 9:22 pm  · 
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tduds

Depends on the belief. Matter of opinion? Fine. Relligion? Also fine. Whether or not certain people deserve to live? You're an asshole, but maybe not an idiot. That a secret cabal of child-eating satanists run the world? Yeah you're a fucking idiot then.

Jan 21, 21 9:34 pm  · 
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tduds

Nothing more fun then people making up shit I didn't say to make their lazy as fuck points against me seem valid. I'm gonna go make dinner and enjoy my life...

Jan 21, 21 9:34 pm  · 
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tduds

Non: is that hard enough?

Jan 21, 21 9:35 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

getting better. Needs practice tho... and liquor. Can't let those baby eating wankers win.

Jan 21, 21 9:38 pm  · 
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Obviously I’m not the target audience because I’m still in my 30s, but I always appreciated your contributions. But I agree that needing to explain reality to refute bad faith arguments gets old pretty quick. I was always hopeful for even the faintest hint at remorse or embarrassment for being so easily taken to task, but some people are beyond self reflection it seems. I’ll say that the ignore button has made this last week a lot easier to bear. It does suck though when you see someone made a comment in a thread but you can’t see it because it’s a reply to a hidden comment, or so I assume when I can’t find anything new, but I can manage. Hope dinner is good.

Jan 21, 21 10:12 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

Homer : Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

Jan 21, 21 10:32 pm  · 
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tduds

2021 Mantra:

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Jan 21, 21 10:43 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

" gets old pretty quick" I dunno, you guys lasted a full month longer than I did trying to get humanity from these freaks.

Jan 21, 21 10:48 pm  · 
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Just because I was participating didn't mean it wasn't boring.




^there's a sexual innuendo joke in there for anyone that wants it.

Jan 21, 21 11:30 pm  · 
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BabbleBeautiful

No X, the problem is that the conversation is not going anywhere. It's like a closed spiral with a height differential of about 1cm. Put another way, you keep puking like a cat that doesn't know to eat correctly, and tduds is just cleaning it up, day-after-day.

Jan 22, 21 9:24 am  · 
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tduds

Opinions are conclusions based on facts. Conclusions drawn from incorrect information are incorrect opinions. My goal here has rarely been to challenge opinions, but to challenge the information on which they're based. I'm also rarely trying to change the minds of the ideologues I'm responding to. I'm trying to convince the audience of my viewpoint. It seems to have mostly worked, and no new topics have come up in a while, so I think my work is done for now.

Jan 22, 21 11:40 am  · 
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BabbleBeautiful

Tell me something: Do you believe you have superior and nuanced comprehension of a reality that affects all of us? A reality, to paraphrase Philip K Dick, is everything that remains after you stop believing in things.

Jan 22, 21 12:12 pm  · 
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BabbleBeautiful

Oooh ok.

Jan 22, 21 12:38 pm  · 
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tduds

Common Sense

Jan 22, 21 12:50 pm  · 
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BabbleBeautiful

It doesn't make sense? Come on, but it's common sense.

Jan 22, 21 1:04 pm  · 
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tduds

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Jan 22, 21 4:02 pm  · 
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apscoradiales

"...25k troops, with live ammo..." in Free World capital, no less!

WTF has happened to US?

Jan 21, 21 9:54 pm  · 
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randomised

Waf happened? They’re simply applying their foreign policy domestically...

Jan 22, 21 2:12 am  · 
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randomised

I only meant that now they’re applying their foreign policing/policy at home...

Jan 22, 21 2:46 am  · 
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NPR's The Daily had a really lovely episode about Biden's inauguration speech. The Inauguration of Joe Biden from The Daily on RadioPublic

Jan 21, 21 10:05 pm  · 
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apscoradiales

"...x-jla

The American people don’t have much say in the government’s foreign policy. They do as they please...."

That may be just as well, since geography is not Americans' strength.

Neither is politics, sometimes, by the looks of it.

Jan 22, 21 9:44 am  · 
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OneLostArchitect

Inauguration protests damage Seattle's Original Starbucks


but but but but.... I thought Biden was gonna heal us? 

Jan 22, 21 11:12 am  · 
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SneakyPete

Maybe stop thinking.

Jan 22, 21 11:43 am  · 
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SneakyPete

Oh, hey, look. Deficits and bipartisanship suddenly matter to the Party of Hypocritical Fuckfaces (GOP) again. 

Jan 22, 21 2:19 pm  · 
4  ·  2
SneakyPete
...
Jan 22, 21 2:36 pm  · 
2  ·  1
tduds

Like clockwork.


Jan 24, 21 5:17 pm  · 
 · 
tduds

Please don't mistake my criticism of the Republican party for support of the Democratic party. Neither is particularly effective, but one is intentionally ineffective.

Jan 24, 21 6:09 pm  · 
 · 
randomised


.

Jan 23, 21 1:47 am  · 
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randomised

why would anyone downvote bernie? or crochet for that matter...

Jan 26, 21 3:44 am  · 
 · 

Senate Filibuster ... keep or delete?

Jan 23, 21 6:50 pm  · 
1  · 
curtkram

stop with the distractions and focus on stacking the supreme court

Jan 23, 21 7:07 pm  · 
 · 

noted

Jan 23, 21 10:31 pm  · 
 · 
b3tadine[sutures]

Nope, get rid of it.

Jan 24, 21 11:27 am  · 
 · 
tduds

They've proven time and time again they can't use it responsibly, so they shouldn't have the option.

Jan 24, 21 5:18 pm  · 
 · 

Stack the Supreme Court ... yay or nay?

Jan 23, 21 10:31 pm  · 
1  ·  1
randomised

None of my business but yay! If it helps pushing the agenda that’s supported by the majority of the people, why not?

Jan 24, 21 4:25 am  · 
 ·  1
Wood Guy

I think the court should be balanced. But apparently Republicans are always going to try to win at all costs, so if we can stack the court with Progressives, I'm fine with that.

Jan 24, 21 10:45 am  · 
 ·  1
b3tadine[sutures]

There's nothing in the Constitution setting the number, it's been as high as 13. Stack it. There are 10 circuits, one for each justice, two for Roberts, the regions are not equitably distributed, adding more judges allows for greater representation, more equity in decisions, and better for the people. More, in this case, is better.

Jan 24, 21 11:25 am  · 
 · 
randomised

The only reason Republicans sometimes get the majority is because of gerrymandering...should the make up of your Supreme Court be decided by such antidemocratic practices, by the radical minority?

Jan 24, 21 3:59 pm  · 
5  · 
tduds

k


Jan 24, 21 4:11 pm  · 
3  · 
tduds

I've given up on good faith responses to your incessant repetitive reductive bullshit. So, yeah, I am just gonna be a dick about it now. Way more fun, imo.

Jan 24, 21 4:31 pm  · 
4  · 
tduds

The difference between you and I is when I'm an asshole, it's on purpose.

Jan 24, 21 4:34 pm  · 
2  · 
tduds

We did this one already. I worry about your memory sometimes.

Jan 24, 21 4:55 pm  · 
 · 

tduds, early in the pandemic I was saying something to a group of people I haven't really spoken with since graduating HS. Realizing after the fact that I could have said something that might have offended them, I apologized for any inadvertent offense I might have caused. They all laughed it off and said it was weird that I'd go back to apologize for it. I replied that I didn't want anyone to be offended accidentally. If anyone is going to be offended, I want it to be because I purposefully meant to offend them.

Jan 24, 21 5:30 pm  · 
1  · 
Wood Guy

Delayed response, but x-jla, if your comment about Democrats appointing Republicans to the court was directed at me, that's not what I said. It's clear that Rs will stop at nothing to stack the courts, including blocking Garland but ramming through Barrett. Not to mention all of the other courts. If we're going to be stuck with a 2-party system, I think it would be fair to ensure the court is balanced between the two. Since neither side is going to do that voluntarily (but one party is much more inclined to compromise) I think that while the Ds are in control they should do what they can to balance what Trump has done with the courts.

Jan 24, 21 6:59 pm  · 
 · 

If jla needs a memory refresher of my previous attempt I made at having a discussion around the Supreme Court, he can go back and read page 3. If all he's going to do is repeat the same garbage he can go read his previous comments. In the meantime, since I figured the landscape had changed now that Dems control the senate and the presidency, we could discuss it again without having to rehash the same garbage.

Jan 24, 21 7:13 pm  · 
2  · 
tduds

Merrick Garland is fairly 'conservative'

Jan 24, 21 8:13 pm  · 
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Wood Guy

Tduds, that's a classic example of D's "compromising" by holding the center, while in the next act the R's take a big step to the right. And the center shifts with it. It's been happening for decades.

Jan 24, 21 8:22 pm  · 
3  · 
tduds

Bingo.

Jan 24, 21 8:29 pm  · 
 · 
tduds

There is simply no left wing voice in US government. There is a center-right party, with a vocal but small progressive caucus, and there is an authoritarian theocratic party, with an increasingly vestigial pro-business arm. Decrying both major parties as "too extreme" in effect gives cover to the actually extremist party.

Jan 24, 21 8:32 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

I don't care if a Dem has it or a "Republican" has it, the later is laughable on so many levels, but I'll bite. If we had three justices per circuit, two Rs/1D, I'll still wager we'll get a better reflection of the population. I think justice, and justices, are better served, if they reflect the body politic. I think it's better to have judges elected, and not appointed, even for federal.

Jan 24, 21 9:48 pm  · 
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tduds

'Depending on what your parameters are for “extreme”' 

Attempting to overturn a democratic election seems like a line we can all agree on.

Jan 24, 21 10:39 pm  · 
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Wood Guy

X-jla, I think the Dems will win for two years but will mostly bungle the opportunity, the economy is going to suck and idiots are going to vote red in 2024 because they think it will help the economy. I hope I'm wrong.  

Tduds, we need a stronger progressive party to balance what the Tea Party and Trump have done to the right. Unfortunately, progressives tend to be critical thinkers and don't get along as well as those on the far right. 

Jan 24, 21 11:34 pm  · 
1  · 
Wood Guy

Compared to right wingers, yes, progressives are definitely better at parsing truth from fantasy. Possibly in part because we typically have had a lot more education and training in critical thinking, and we tend to be less religious--i.e., "trust but verify" vs. blind faith.

Jan 25, 21 9:32 am  · 
1  · 
Wood Guy

If the courts were applying absolute truths then we wouldn't have to worry about their political leanings. But everything is up for discussion, there are different ways of interpreting the constitution and despite right wing fantasies it has been updated as times have changed. So the political makeup of the courts does matter.

Jan 25, 21 9:34 am  · 
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Wood Guy

I believe I was clear. I expect the Republicans will do it whether I want them to or not. For once I would like to see the Democrats play hardball instead of their go-to of compromising.

Jan 25, 21 10:40 am  · 
1  · 
tduds

Why are we referring to Republican court packing in the future tense? It's been happening for close to 40 years. All we're asking for is a re-balance.

Jan 25, 21 10:49 am  · 
1  · 
b3tadine[sutures]

What's interesting, and as per usual, I never mentioned "majority rule", in fact I firmly believe that the tyranny of the minority is more problematic. I wrote, that if we had more justices, they would better reflect the body politik.

Jan 25, 21 12:22 pm  · 
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randomised

Of course it is, a constitution is a living/breathing thing...it was supposed to be rewritten all the time, they didn't claim to have all the wisdom for all of eternity, did they?

Jan 26, 21 4:41 am  · 
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tduds

Meanwhile, using actual quotes.

jla: "I posted an inconvenient reality- the threat of far left violence"

Inconvenient Reality: 

"Over the past 10 years (2007-2016), domestic extremists of all kinds have killed at least 372 people in the United States. Of those deaths, approximately 74% were at the hands of right-wing extremists, about 24% of the victims were killed by domestic Islamic extremists, and the remainder [ed: thats 2%!] were killed by left-wing extremists."
https://www.adl.org/resources/...

"Unlike 2016, a year dominated by the Pulse nightclub shootings in Orlando, Florida, committed by an Islamic extremist, a majority of the 2017 murders were committed by right-wing extremists, primarily white supremacists, as has typically been the case most years."
https://www.adl.org/resources/...

"Right-wing extremists were linked to at least 50 extremist-related murders in the United States in 2018, making them responsible for more deaths than in any year since 1995"
https://www.adl.org/news/press...

"As is typically the case, the extremist-related murders of 2019 were overwhelmingly (90%) linked to right-wing extremists. All but one of the incidents had ties to right-wing extremism."
https://www.adl.org/murder-and...

If, in the face of this evidence, you feel the overwhelming need to point out the single digit percentage of political violence linked to the left wing, perhaps it is you who is failing to grapple with an inconvenient reality. This is why people in this forum don't take you seriously. 

Jan 24, 21 8:28 pm  · 
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tduds

Get back here with those goalposts.

Jan 24, 21 10:36 pm  · 
1  · 
tduds

Key word “In the United States”

Ok fine

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/countering-radical-right/western-europe-right-wing-terrorism-rise/

Jan 24, 21 10:38 pm  · 
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tduds

Feudalism killed a lot of people too. But we don't talk about it in the Politics Central thread because it isn't a thing currently happening in our political environment.

Jan 24, 21 10:42 pm  · 
1  · 
apscoradiales

There is no "communism" today, and never has been. It's tyrannical dictatorships we've had, and keep having.

Jan 25, 21 9:26 am  · 
 · 
tduds

sigh

Jan 25, 21 10:48 am  · 
1  · 
bowling_ball

tduds, he's clearly not worth your time or effort. It's time to move on.

Jan 25, 21 3:04 pm  · 
4  · 
square.

this thread was getting interesting when people started ignoring him. now it's back to the same old cesspool.

Jan 25, 21 3:23 pm  · 
4  · 
tduds

Yeah... going back to trolling. The least I can do is entertain myself.

Jan 25, 21 3:44 pm  · 
1  · 
square.

it takes less and less time to refute your inane both-sides-ism obsession. you're completely delusional... i've seen a rock grow more than your nonexistent ability to say anything new.

https://twitter.com/BrendanKee...

Jan 25, 21 5:31 pm  · 
1  · 
square.

profound. you've mentioned that several thousand times (not an exaggeration based on how many posts you have contributed).

what else?

Jan 25, 21 5:39 pm  · 
3  · 
tduds

"So you are only concerned with right wing violence because that’s been the predominant manifestation of political violence in a small particular place and time."
When I have a broken arm, I am primarily concerned with mending the broken arm. When a house is on fire, the primary concern is putting out the fire. You're, in a sense, sitting at a house fire talking about zoning. Doesn't mean zoning doesn't need fixing, but at the moment the fuckin' house is on fire. 

"You guys are so locked into this false idea that right=bad left=good"
No, you are locked into the idea that right = bad left = also bad, such that you can't (or worse, won't) see the disparity in severity between the two. 

"I’ve stated my positions sooo many times"
Yeah, and we're asking you to stop so other people can have conversations. I know *you* don't think you're right wing (I also don't think you are. I can't speak for others), but as I've said a hundred times before, your insistence on both-sidesing every conversation to death does less to illuminate the sins of one group (which, by the way, we all know about and acknowledge constantly) and more to provide cover for the greater sins of the other group. & that's before we even get into the various inaccuracies of labeling littered throughout this inane & incessant rant-fest. 

Every reply comes back to this & it really sucks. You're impeding more interesting conversations

Jan 25, 21 6:02 pm  · 
3  · 
Wood Guy

X-jla, you're a right-of-center libertarian. Every right-of-center libertarian I know thinks they are dead center. But they aren't.

(I'm left-of-center with somewhat libertarian values.)

Jan 25, 21 6:04 pm  · 
2  · 
SneakyPete

The fact that x-lax doesn't know the difference between being a shitty human being and providing excuses for shitty human beings is what caused me to start thinking he was a pretty shitty human being.

Jan 25, 21 7:31 pm  · 
1  · 
SneakyPete

Still this.


Jan 25, 21 7:46 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

let’s go Buffalo!



Jan 24, 21 8:31 pm  · 
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I brought the filibuster up first because getting rid of it will actually allow congress to actually do something without having to grovel for compromises at Mitch's feet, but the court is really the next step if Dems want anything they pass in the next 2 years to stick around. It doesn't matter what laws you pass (with or without the filibuster) if the partisan court decides they're unconstitutional. And you know the Republican attorneys general are ready to take anything to the courts now that they know they have a solid majority there. They showed that with the election challenges. They only reason it didn't work was because they were so incompetent, not because the judges were principled or anything like that.

I think getting rid of the filibuster is inevitable at this point. Republicans latest attempt to take down the ACA through zeroing out the penalty through reconciliation (and now SCOTUS) is the tipping point for me. Reconciliation is the way to work around the filibuster, but it's not going to work for everything either party wants to get passed. So whether it's Democrats now, or Republicans sometime in the future ... they'll go nuclear to get rid of it to get something they really want (as Mitch did to get 3 partisan supreme court justices, and as Harry did to get past Republican obstructionism on lower court judges previously). It's only a matter of time.

I don't think the effect will really be all that dramatic either. If the president and congress are on the same page, laws will get passed (arguably this *is* dramatic in today's political climate). If they aren't on the same page, the president's veto power will be used and then congress will figure out if they have veto-proof majorities or not. Seems closer to what the founders intended anyway, no?

Jan 25, 21 12:49 pm  · 
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tduds

There's no irony there. One thing is real, the other isn't.

Jan 25, 21 6:06 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

If people didn't take pity on you the entire fucking Politics Central would look like this, wouldn't it?

Jan 27, 21 6:09 pm  · 
1  · 
tduds

Yet you still replied. If you truly felt above it you'd say nothing.

Jan 27, 21 9:42 pm  · 
1  · 
tduds

shit. broke my own rule.

Jan 27, 21 9:42 pm  · 
1  · 
tduds

I AM SELF AWARE THANK YOU

Jan 28, 21 12:20 am  · 
1  · 
BabbleBeautiful

A rambling thought:

I should preface this by the fact that my interest in deeply understanding current American politics started around the debates before the end of Obama's last term. So, my understanding of it's history is limited. 

Onto my rambling though. If we were to continue this back-and-forth of party agendas every 4 years what does that say about the nation's stability and progress towards anything? I know "progress" is a loaded term these days, but let's just take it at face value.

Granted, not everything change be changed so easily, such as Supreme Court assignments, or the ACA, but if the next president is not Biden and decides to reverse everything Biden has/is reversing then where can this nation go?

Jan 28, 21 11:10 am  · 
1  · 
tduds

12th Amendment.

Jan 28, 21 11:42 am  · 
 · 
tduds

So you think it should be repealed?

Jan 28, 21 1:25 pm  · 
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BabbleBeautiful

Forgive my grammar and poor editing.

Jan 28, 21 1:54 pm  · 
 · 
tduds

You don't. The question wasn't leading.

Jan 28, 21 2:33 pm  · 
 · 
tduds

Which is to repeal the 12th Amendment?

Jan 28, 21 5:02 pm  · 
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tduds

Partisanship aside, the executive is simply too powerful.

Jan 28, 21 5:02 pm  · 
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tduds

A number of past Democratic presidents have included Republicans in their cabinet. I can't think of a time where the opposite has occurred.

Jan 29, 21 11:10 am  · 
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tduds

No I'm assuming that you don't think Republicans are worse than Democrats, which is our fundamental disagreement.

Jan 29, 21 12:52 pm  · 
 · 
tduds

Belief in democracy, for starters.

Jan 29, 21 1:26 pm  · 
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apscoradiales

"...x-jla

True. I think the solution should be to have the president who wins election and the vp who loses from the other party..."

LOL, so you want to move up the bipartisanship bickering from Legislative branch to the Executive branch?  Much good that will do. It will simply move the bs one step higher.

Jan 28, 21 1:48 pm  · 
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tduds

Retiring after one term would be a good challenge to Biden.

Jan 28, 21 2:37 pm  · 
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tduds

Gore / Lieberman was kind of a unity ticket (& I think the US would have been a lot better off had they won). From a strictly policy perspective, Biden / Harris is kind of a unity ticket. Biden being slightly right of center, Harris being slightly left.

Jan 28, 21 5:05 pm  · 
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curtkram

how does it benefit biden or the democrats to reach across the aisle when republicans are so corrupt? they're going to have to get rid of mcconnell and clean up the mess he made before there can be any sort of inroads toward bipartis anship.

Jan 29, 21 7:22 pm  · 
2  · 
apscoradiales

Global population control financed by US taxpayers.

US President Joe Biden has reversed a ban on federal funds going to international aid groups that perform or inform about abortions.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world...

Not to be outdone, Canadian Prime Minister has been funding the same programme for a while now by using Canadian taxpayers money.

Jan 28, 21 9:56 pm  · 
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tduds

Awesome.

Jan 28, 21 10:56 pm  · 
1  · 
randomised

And if your country is not so forward leaning, there’s always Women on Waves, an abortion boat funded by the Dutch government to aid women worldwide in family planning! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_on_Waves

Jan 29, 21 2:16 am  · 
 · 
Non Sequitur

Very awesome.

Jan 29, 21 6:09 am  · 
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tduds

You know what keeps unwanted people out of our country way more effectively than walls? Planned Parenthood.

Jan 29, 21 11:09 am  · 
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tduds

Data indicates the best way to reduce the rate of abortion is to provide safe, legal, access to it (in addition to comprehensive sexual education & easy access to contraception). Banning abortions doesn't stop abortions, it kills women. That's all I'm going to say about this very uncontroversial topic.

Jan 29, 21 11:21 am  · 
2  · 
Non Sequitur

Jla, there is zero debate to be had here. Don't play the same inane game as the religious zealots with term definitions and whatnot. If you don't like abortion, fine, don't have one. Any other opinion on this matter is pointless.

Jan 29, 21 11:26 am  · 
 · 
Non Sequitur

you are not. We've explained this to you numerous times. Not our fault it's too difficult for you.

Jan 29, 21 11:50 am  · 
 · 
SneakyPete

Today I learned what sea lioning is. 


http://wondermark.com/1k62/

Jan 29, 21 2:40 am  · 
1  · 
randomised

Moved my response to Orhan over here, didn't want to mess up TC:

"Why are you so afraid of Muslim immigrants in Europe, didn't a couple of them developed a major vaccination for Covid?"

I'm not afraid of muslims, I don't like the islamic extremist shariaist ideology, as it's basically anti-human, anti-gay, anti-women, anti-semitic, anti-freedom, anti-everything-that's-not-radical-islam. I'd like people following such ideologies to go get lost, as I equally don't like people that follow the national socialist ideology. And good for that couple that developed a vaccine for covid, has nothing to do with this discussion though.

"There are extremist Muslims in Muslim countries too, even more so with armies and all.
As to the immigration subject, hey, this is the world’s reality since the 60’s, similar to migration to urban areas. The world's have-not majority will be immigrating, with papers or not, to the places where there's plenty to go around. This won't stop who they are. You need to work with them.
Why are you putting them into an extremist bundle? The Muslim communities are mostly delegated to bad industrial buildings, dissed, and treated like a terrorist bunch. Not that they are coming from places where they haven't built magnificent buildings for their spiritual practice. I got news for you, they aren't going anywhere."

I'm not putting anyone in an extremist bundle, there's simply extremist ideologies, that's just a fact. I'm not against migration and totally understand that have-nots will go places to get a better life, I'd do the same! I only don't like it when people try to force their extremist ideologies onto the communities that welcomed them, why should we go backwards? We've got rid of religious backwardness (at least here in Europe, for a while) and now step by step, we're taking steps backwards to keep the so-called peace. Turning the other cheek, again and again and again, while our gay people, our women, our Jews, our non-believers feel less and less safe or able to be themselves. The universal human rights are universal for a reason, why tolerate such intolerant ideologies in our midst?

"Major shifts in migration patterns and demographics are underway, real and robust. These people are not the former slaves that were part of the western "way."
They are more "Future" than you. Get with it, be creative and respectful. Accept and move on to coexistence gear. If you can't, maybe your children can. Otherwise, your societal and individual problems and fears will only keep amplifying.
Instead of burning their mosques, show your humanism and art to them. Give them a chance to like you, laugh with you.
It's very urgent."

But it's not a two-way street when universal human rights are involved. Why coexist with an extremist ideology that's sole purpose is to conquer and subjugate? Would you propose the same when it's about nazis? I hope not.

"I'd stay away from politicians like Wilders, he and others like him want you to go to culture and urban warfare that there are no winners at the end and you have a lot more to lose. Open your eyes. Are kidding me? Isn't there a majority public supporting gay, women, animal, and others' rights already in? Tons of them, you included."

But some cultures are simply more developed than others, some cultures are worth protecting and some are worth to oppose or at least not to tolerate among us, we don't tolerate the head-hunting of Melanesia or canibalism either, so why turn the other cheek when it's about an antisemitic, female-oppressing, anti-democratic ideology such as islam?

"Of course, this scumbag wants their sympathy (pretty much like you, random) and sings to the chorus. But inside, he sees the ultimate warfare wiping out all Muslims from Holland. Are you this spider brain like? I don't think so, but you are scared shitless as you are resorting to demonizing Islam. It's very apparent in your posts."

There's no need to wipe out anyone, they didn't need to wipe out all the Germans to get rid of nazism either, you're overreacting...just the realisation that the islamist ideology at its core is the enemy of western liberal democratic humanistic ideals and accomplishments, and in fact humanity, just needs to sink in.

 "*I wrote this with minimal editing and maybe too long. The gist of it is: if anything our humanity will help us the most. Under the circumstances of our times, nationalism is baloney and don’t fall for it. This kind of evangelistic crusade against Islam is racist, dangerous, self-serving, and abusive."

My response is also too long, sorry. But I too am positive that in the end our humanity will prevail, I don't believe in nationalism or religions (they stop people from thinking for themselves) instead I believe in our shared core universal human rights and values, and always will. 


Jan 29, 21 9:38 am  · 
 · 
randomised

I'm only referring to something minor as the universal declaration of human rights...

Jan 29, 21 10:46 am  · 
 · 

You are taking an extremist group and summary executing all..Have you been to a Muslim country? Extremist groups in Turkey are swiftly persecuted, yes, even under Erdogan gov.
You are a nice guy but a little brainwashed when it comes to Islam as an Abrahamic religion.
Otherwise, all this is no more than demagogy. Stop wasting my time and your own.

Jan 29, 21 10:55 am  · 
2  · 
randomised

I'm not sure I get what you mean Orhan, why me standing up for universal human rights is demagogy? What's wrong with not wanting female oppression, antisemitism or homophobia?

Jan 29, 21 11:39 am  · 
 · 
randomised

"One persons belief doesn’t violate another persons human rights. Only actions have the potential to violate human rights. Ironically, policing belief and religion is a violation of human rights." 

When a persons belief mandates the violation of other peoples human rights, then we've got a problem, and that's exactly what's happening unfortunately...

Jan 29, 21 11:42 am  · 
 · 

Google a little databases etc. educate yourself on human rights and then we might talk. otherwise you are just talking but not walking.


https://www.google.com/search?q=hate+crimes+against+muslims+in+europe&oq=hate+crimes+against+muslims+in+europe&aqs=chrome..69i57.12300j1j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Jan 29, 21 12:09 pm  · 
 · 
SneakyPete

It really upsets me when rando starts using the same disingenuous rhetorical tricks x-lax uses. NUANCE MOTHERFUCKER DO YOU SPEAK IT. Fucking sea lion.

Jan 29, 21 1:26 pm  · 
 · 
randomised

There is no islamic country in the world, rich or poor, where non-muslims, women, gays or jews have the same rights, where there is a free press and a properly functioning democracy. And everywhere where there is an increase in followers of islam you see a decline in freedom and universal human rights. How is that for demonising or oppressing. And I'm sorry if this upsets SneakyPete. The ideology is equal if not worse than national socialism (and yes, the Palestinian mufti was good friends with Adolf Hitler with whom they shared the same enemies ("the English, the Jews and the Communists") , does that make all followers equal to nazis? No, of course not...

Jan 29, 21 5:17 pm  · 
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List of synagogues in Turkey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

List of Churches in Turkey
https://armenianweekly.com/201...

Jan 29, 21 5:24 pm  · 
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I hope you read a little randomized, because, so far, you are a lot of baloney bla...

Jan 29, 21 5:40 pm  · 
 · 
SneakyPete

"I'm sorry if this upsets SneakyPete"

You fucking liar.

Jan 29, 21 5:42 pm  · 
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more on women's suffrage in Turkey https://redyellowblue.org/data/tr/wdtr/

lgbt rights
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

Jan 29, 21 5:50 pm  · 
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randomised

Orhan, you know just as well that the only way the islamists were being kept under control was by a sort of military dictatorship in Turkey, it's either military or religious dictatorship in islamic countries, there's nothing inbetween, even Indonesia is going downhill, fast. Makes one wonder, no? Are you claiming that under Erdoğan there is a free press and a functioning democracy?

Feb 1, 21 3:58 am  · 
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randomised

"Therefore, we shall oppress muslims”. -John Adams"

who said anything about oppressing muslims? you can oppose an ideology without oppressing its followers...

Feb 1, 21 4:11 am  · 
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SneakyPete

your knowledge of world history is terrible

Feb 1, 21 11:37 am  · 
1  · 
randomised

my knowledge of world history is still less terrible than yours...

Feb 2, 21 5:21 am  · 
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Wood Guy

.

Jan 29, 21 1:27 pm  · 
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apscoradiales

I wonder what would happen if I moved to KSA because life in Canada became too difficult, and started mouthing-off about local human rights, complained about obstacles in place to join the Saudi society, claimed racism, objected to their harsh Sharia laws...what would happen to me? Would I be treated fairly or would my life be in danger from the radical Saudis?

Or would I have been in complete error for moving there - essentially, being a guest of the Saudi people - then being critical of how they live their lives wanting to change it to something they may not be familiar with or might even find threatening?

Or maybe I should just respect the Saudi way of life such-as-it-is, and not try to change anything?


Jan 29, 21 2:30 pm  · 
 · 
tduds

This analogy, to put it lightly, is dogshit.

Jan 29, 21 2:36 pm  · 
1  · 
SneakyPete

What are you talking about, duds? This is the Mad-Libs argument. Perfectly valid.

Jan 29, 21 2:42 pm  · 
1  · 
tduds

We should aspire to be more like the Saudis.

Jan 29, 21 2:45 pm  · 
 · 
BabbleBeautiful

What are you trying to get at?

Jan 29, 21 3:00 pm  · 
 · 
apscoradiales

But then you couldn't be an American, could you? Which do you want? To be an American or to be a Saudi?

Jan 29, 21 3:03 pm  · 
 · 
tduds

When jla and I are united against you, you're definitely in the wrong.

Jan 29, 21 3:09 pm  · 
2  · 
tduds

The beautiful thing about the American Dream (in theory at least... the thing we should aspire to) is that one can be a Saudi-American and not be forced to compromise on either.

To suggest otherwise is, in my opinion, Un-American.

Jan 29, 21 3:44 pm  · 
 · 
apscoradiales

Who comes first? USA or KSA?

Jan 29, 21 4:19 pm  · 
 · 
tduds

I've seen how this ends.

Jan 29, 21 4:26 pm  · 
 · 
apscoradiales

What if I said, go ahead have your abortion, but don't ask me to pay for it?

Jan 29, 21 2:51 pm  · 
 · 
tduds

I'd say you fundamentally misunderstand the global gag order and the effect it's had on international public health.

Jan 29, 21 2:55 pm  · 
 · 
apscoradiales

"Gag order"??? Why is abortion equated to health, particularly woman's? Woman don't all get sick while pregnant to the degree that they need to abort. Do they?

Jan 29, 21 3:00 pm  · 
 · 
tduds

Way to prove my point.

Jan 29, 21 3:09 pm  · 
 · 
apscoradiales

What if I told you, fine don't wear a mask and maybe die of the virus, but don't ask me to follow you?

Jan 29, 21 2:52 pm  · 
 · 
tduds

You're already free to not wear a mask, it just restricts your ability to enter certain private businesses.

Jan 29, 21 2:56 pm  · 
 · 
apscoradiales

What if you go into a store to buy some food, and some people around you didn't wear masks? O you were in an elevator and someone popped in without a mask? Would you ask them to leave or would you hold your breath and look the other way?

Jan 29, 21 3:05 pm  · 
 · 
tduds

I'd leave.

Jan 29, 21 3:08 pm  · 
 · 
apscoradiales

That's good, you had a choice to leave, and you did. Now, would I be right in saying, "I don't want to pay for your abortion"? Would be my choice, wouldn't it?

Jan 29, 21 3:44 pm  · 
 ·  2
tduds

See my reply elsewhere about dogshit analogies.

Jan 29, 21 3:46 pm  · 
2  · 
Non Sequitur

Aps, you can leave Canada for a lesser educated and socially backwards country. Then your taxes can be spent doing less important things. But, your current taxes support a whole bunch of really important health services and there is literally zero useful argument not to include abortion within them. Leave the fucking crucifix in the closet and let society evolve without the arcane chains of the baby jesus.

Jan 29, 21 3:47 pm  · 
1  · 
apscoradiales

Oh, so let me take your money, and spend it the way I want it.

"...a lesser educated and socially backwards country...", racist much? By defending your point of view, you resort to bigotry and racism. And Quebec/Canada is not racist? Bill 21? Heard of it?

Jan 29, 21 4:03 pm  · 
 · 
tduds

Who elected you?

Jan 29, 21 4:05 pm  · 
1  · 
apscoradiales

Not running, nor want to. Being elected gives you the right to spend my money the way you want to? Well, fuck you! I don't spend your money on shit I want or deem appropriate. So, why are you spending my money on bs? You have been there before; No taxation without representation...?

Jan 29, 21 4:16 pm  · 
 · 
Non Sequitur

Just because you're unable/unwilling to understand does not mean it's bullshit. You're never to old to learn something Aps and this is an excellent opportunity for you. Your choice really, and I, like everyone else, don't give a fuck about your opinion on abortion because it's intellectually poor and grossly simplistic.

Jan 29, 21 4:19 pm  · 
1  · 
tduds

Google is free, my man.

Jan 29, 21 4:22 pm  · 
 · 
tduds

Here I fixed some things for you.

Jan 29, 21 4:36 pm  · 
 · 
Non Sequitur

Tduds... this horse has been beaten to a fine pulp already and no point gloating over the flaming ashes. That's just poor sportsmanship... although pointing out the flaws in the anti-abortion crowd is not really a sport. A sport implies there is some level of difficulty involved.

Jan 29, 21 4:44 pm  · 
 · 
tduds

It's Friday afternoon let me eat my low hanging fruit.

Jan 29, 21 4:48 pm  · 
1  · 
BabbleBeautiful

Aps, We live in a connected world, a global village, so to speak, where our actions have real consequences that affect other human beings. You seem like the kind of guy who would tell an immigrant, "If you don't like it, leave." So, I'm going to tell you, "If you don't like it, go live off the grid, without any connection to another human being and try to live your archaic ideal of individualism and 'surviving by your own bootstraps'." But how about instead of being an curmudgeon be empathetic and accepting of your neighbors.

Jan 30, 21 8:52 am  · 
1  · 
tduds

What if I told you that your attempts at clever "gotcha" rhetoric are tired, old, and incorrect talking points that we've all heard regurgitated verbatim for months if not years?

Jan 29, 21 2:58 pm  · 
2  · 
apscoradiales

What if such tired, old rhetoric is till true today as it was yesterday? What if some people are inconsiderate, selfish, and arrogant to the point that they forget. Why did your mom tell you all the time to not go into the house with muddy boots? Is it because telling you just once didn't work? Why did you dad take his belt out to whip you when you did something you thought was perfectly ok to do?

Jan 29, 21 3:15 pm  · 
 · 
tduds

Want to emphasize that I said "regurgitated talking points" not "rhetoric." The key difference, and what you're displaying, is a lack of critical thinking and analysis. 

What if the thing you thought was perfectly okay do to was, in fact perfectly okay? What if your dad is beating you for the same thing his dad beat him for, without stopping to ask why? What if your dad took his belt out to whip you for being gay? Or bringing home a black woman? What if your dad took his belt out to whip mom because her place is in the kitchen? 

My dad, to his infinite credit, taught me never to accept "because I told you so" as a reason. He taught me to interrogate authority, but also to respect it when (and only when) respect is due.

It's not that things true yesterday are not true today, it's that things are not necessarily acceptable today just because they used to be. But I'm getting off topic...

Jan 29, 21 3:28 pm  · 
3  · 
apscoradiales

So, it's perfectly acceptable to take my money and spend the way you want? Hmmm....

Jan 29, 21 4:18 pm  · 
 · 
Non Sequitur

in the way modern and current society chooses to spend it? yes, yes it is. It's not your money anyways, by that point it's everyone's money.

Jan 29, 21 4:23 pm  · 
2  · 
SneakyPete

potential for a buddy cop movie: X-Lax and the Apshole

Jan 29, 21 4:40 pm  · 
1  · 
apscoradiales

BabbleBeautiful,

I once had an opportunity to work In Abu Dhabi, UAE. Office was made up of all kinds of nationalities, Canadians, English, Scotts, South African, Indian, Pakistanis....How I ended up there is a whole 'nother story for another day.

One Canadian guy got into trouble - he was caught being drunk while driving -very stupid no matter where you live, particularly in a country where drinking is highly restricted. He was sent to jail for six months, and the office manager had to send someone there twice a day to bring him food. Apparently, they don't feed you in their jails, at least at that time - maybe they do now. After his jail time, he was driven to the airport and sent flying on the next plane.

Why did he get drunk? Dunno, maybe he was an alcoholic, maybe he was lonely, maybe he was depressed, maybe living in a strange place got to him, maybe he missed his family...we will never know.

The office manager called us all in for a meeting. He told us, "Keep in mind guys, you are a guest of this country, and you need to behave like one, you don't go around telling the locals how your laws and lifestyles are in your home country in the hopes their customs will change. In case any one of you gets into similar trouble, I will not help you". None of us got into trouble, needless to say.

Just to let you know, I'm an immigrant to Canada myself. Came here as a child with my mom - dad was already living here. I had to learn English (they tried teaching me French until the teacher realised I couldn't even speak English) , had to adjust - still trying to - to this fucked-up Canadian weather, different lifestyle, lost my friends back in Europe, had to develop new. Mom got seriously ill pretty well right away, and died of Alzheimers shortly thereafter. So, I know very well what it is like to be an immigrant in a foreign country. Life is not easy when you come to a strange place - you either adjust or you don't. I sympathise with every immigrant, but fortunately, doors are always open in case you want to go back where you came from if this country doesn't suit your tastes.

Jan 30, 21 9:37 am  · 
 · 
BabbleBeautiful

What would you rather be called in a foreign nation in which you have little to no understanding of the cultural norms and nuances that predates you? Specially when you are a transient employee?

Jan 30, 21 12:07 pm  · 
 · 
apscoradiales

Germans have a good word for it, "Gastarbeiter".

Jan 30, 21 12:22 pm  · 
 · 
tduds

The Germans have a good word for everything.

Jan 30, 21 2:15 pm  · 
 · 
apscoradiales

Yeah, sometimes they do. You have to give them credit.

Jan 30, 21 2:29 pm  · 
 · 

Aren’t there any clouds that need to be yelled at? 

Jan 30, 21 10:49 am  · 
3  · 
apscoradiales

"...x-jla

I don’t like the idea that there is some time period where you are a “guest”. Sounds like code word for sub-citizen..."

You may not like it, but that how life is. I must tell you, I was never treated badly by the locals; they were always respectful, considerate, and pleasant towards me, and other "Europeans". Indians and Pakistanis were treated like shiet, though, not only by the locals, but by the English and Scots who ran the office (even though it was a Canadian firm). When you go to a foreign country to work or visit as a tourist, you are their guest. I don't consider that to be demeaning; I think myself lucky and fortunate that they allowed me in. I have no right whatsover to waltz into another country, and demand stuff. It's like you get invited by a friend to visit - you don't go and raid their fridge, do you? Be thankful, and be considerate. Same shiet for any immigrant when they come to a foreign country, be thankful you were let in, and carry on.

Jan 30, 21 12:19 pm  · 
 · 
apscoradiales

Just to give an example of discrimination...Office manager, a Scot, gave me and other Europeans an envelope. Two Indian co-workers sitting next to me, didn't get them. I thought I was being fired. I open the envelope, and it says that I'm being invited to the house party at the managers house, and that I'm not to tell the Indians or Pakistanis. The two Indian guys worked very hard, and were probably more in tune with locals life, including construction as well as their local building technology, yet they were treated like dirt.

Jan 30, 21 12:27 pm  · 
 · 
apscoradiales

"Non Sequitur

in the way modern and current society chooses to spend it? yes, yes it is. It's not your money anyways, by that point it's everyone's money."

Oh yes it's my money. And your is yours. If you want Justin to send yours to his friends in Cuba to promote "women's health", you go right ahead. I don't want to! Never mind that the Cubans have better healthcare than Canadians do, particularly here in Quebec. I rather have mine be spent on homeless bastards who sleep on sidewalks in Montreal, and Toronto.

And, you may want to be a bit more respectful, and considerate of my, and others' beliefs too.

Alright?

Jan 30, 21 12:42 pm  · 
 · 
Non Sequitur

The beliefs you’ve expressed are shit beliefs. They don’t deserve respect because they are shit. Feel free to move but your taxes are not yours to do as you want.

Jan 30, 21 12:49 pm  · 
 · 
b3tadine[sutures]


I love this page...

Jan 31, 21 11:11 am  · 
2  · 
randomised

relax, it's just a fetish of beta...

Feb 1, 21 4:17 am  · 
 · 
b3tadine[sutures]

I am not dank.lloyd.wright

Feb 1, 21 5:48 am  · 
 · 
square.

my thoughts exactly when i saw this post... if i thought like rando, which, thank god i don't, i would ask him to answer for and accept responsibility for the entity of his nation's responsibility for unleashing such suffering on the world.

but luckily, i don't.

Feb 1, 21 10:26 am  · 
3  · 
randomised

Sigh...I never claimed that beta is dankLW, but anywho...I don't ask anyone to answer for your nations unleashing suffering on the world, I only ask why people here do support this kind of unleashing, because they still and actively vote for the ones doing the unleashing. That has nothing to do with historic events we don't have any influence on but instead has to do with actively supporting and condoning such unleashing of suffering by voting for the ones responsible. It's like voting for the nazis because you don't like the communists and overlook the concentration camps and endlösung or voting for the communists because you don't like nazis and overlook the gulags or cultural revolution, as if those are all options.

Feb 2, 21 5:31 am  · 
 · 
apscoradiales

Comanche...some say it was Apache, but this was Comancheria territory., so who is to know for sure.


Jan 31, 21 2:21 pm  · 
 · 
apscoradiales

Yep. Can't think of a tribe that were not brutal to other tribes at times. Called "survival of the fittest".

Jan 31, 21 5:28 pm  · 
 · 
SneakyPete

nothing more white then using non-white history to justify white actions

Jan 31, 21 6:06 pm  · 
2  · 
apscoradiales

Not really Pete. Just pointing out that the Natives were not all angels all the time. The Sioux were particularly brutal to their neighbouring tribes they encountered on their way west and southwest as they migrated from Minnesota. Sometimes these incidents are ignored or whitewashed for the sake of political correctness. People should really be aware of all the good, and all the bad. White people migrating west certainly had their own ways of dealing with the natives, and many were not pretty at all.

Jan 31, 21 6:33 pm  · 
 · 
SneakyPete

Why is this relevant?

Jan 31, 21 7:27 pm  · 
3  · 
apscoradiales

Old Chinese proverb, Everything in life is relevant. It's up to you to see the relevancy, grasshopper.

Jan 31, 21 9:26 pm  · 
 ·  1
b3tadine[sutures]

Wow! Both sides!

Jan 31, 21 10:02 pm  · 
1  · 
b3tadine[sutures]

Read the question again.

Jan 31, 21 10:02 pm  · 
 · 
square.

here we are, again. again.

Feb 1, 21 9:30 am  · 
 · 
apscoradiales

Shouldn't you be working instead of wasting valuable company's time surfing the internet?

Feb 1, 21 9:47 am  · 
 · 
square.

you made your position redundant by posting that.

but, who's to assume the company i work for (which is what i think you meant) is valuable?

Feb 1, 21 10:09 am  · 
 · 
square.

capitalism*

Feb 1, 21 11:15 am  · 
 · 
tduds

Weird how you read "done more damage to the planet per capita" and decided it meant "killed more people". Weirder that you did this while, elsewhere, harping on about your staunch environmentalism.

Feb 1, 21 1:45 pm  · 
3  · 
tduds

I never said those things.

Feb 1, 21 2:22 pm  · 
 · 
tduds

I didn't say anything except point out your curious reading comprehension. It was a critique, not a counterpoint.

Feb 1, 21 2:29 pm  · 
 · 
tduds

Like I said. Reading comprehension.

Feb 1, 21 2:37 pm  · 
1  · 

"Meant to be in response to the post by EA." "Was conflating you twos [sic] posts."

ok, I'll respond in kind then ... I never said those things. I was only pointing out that your curious reading comprehension skipped over the part about capitalism (stated by the OP in the meme's post). It was a critique, not a counterpoint.

Feb 1, 21 3:06 pm  · 
 · 
square.

is this a wokie?

Is A Wookie Life Partner Your Best Relationship Option ...
Feb 1, 21 11:33 am  · 
1  · 

If anyone needed more evidence that jla is pretty singularly focused on reinforcing his affinity for libertarianism, the dank.lloyd.wright meme and his response is pretty good. 

The question the meme raises was about damage to the planet and points to capitalism, and the spread of capitalism, as being incredibly damaging. However, for jla, capitalism = good ... always. So his inability to accept that capitalism might be damaging to the planet made him skip right over that to start talking about violence and body counts (10% of the world population) as the only measure of a nation's damage to the planet. 

Ironically, in a twisted way, less people on the planet is arguably better for the planet ... so he misses the mark entirely. 

In the world of online troll self owns ... I give this a 2/10.

Feb 1, 21 1:16 pm  · 
2  · 

Cue idiotic attempt to defend himself in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

Feb 1, 21 1:18 pm  · 
 ·  1
SneakyPete

Is lower better for the self-owning scale? Assuming the person doing the rating wants the troll to self-own?

Feb 1, 21 1:19 pm  · 
4  · 

SP, no lower is worse. In this case it wasn't a blatantly obvious that it was a self own (i.e. it took me explaining it). This one came up in my twitter feed over the weekend and is a much better ... 10/10

Feb 1, 21 2:03 pm  · 
4  · 

The scoring is also loosely related to this hierarchy. In the previous example, "Hot Take Harry" ended up deleting the account.

Feb 1, 21 2:15 pm  · 
1  · 
tduds

For as much as you stake your identity on being above partisan binaries, you sure love this capitalist/communist one.

Feb 1, 21 2:21 pm  · 
2  · 
tduds

Why must there be a binary choice? Most of the world already functions quite nicely somewhere in the middle. I'm happy to argue degrees but to insist on entirely one or the other is just plain silly. And of course, to insist that a degree away from one extreme is entirely the other extreme is just plain dumb.

Feb 1, 21 2:30 pm  · 
1  · 
SneakyPete

Here's a binary: jla-x is (smart/dumb). Pick one.

Feb 1, 21 2:35 pm  · 
2  · 
tduds

I honestly have trouble deciding if his statements are good faith naivete or bad faith trolling.

Feb 1, 21 2:37 pm  · 
2  · 

I lean toward bad faith trolling more. Perhaps I'd lean more toward good faith naivete if you couple it with inability to admit he's wrong ... but then that isn't really good faith is it?

Feb 1, 21 2:41 pm  · 
3  · 
SneakyPete

Anyone who digs themselves into a position as hard as this and refuses to acknowledge any other positions as valid is either so fucking dumb as to be an indication that the human race might not make it after all OR is a troll. And trolls, all of them, can go get hit by a truck.

Feb 1, 21 2:46 pm  · 
2  · 

lol, he just jumped up from around level 2 to level 3 on the pyramid.

Feb 1, 21 3:11 pm  · 
 · 

This is definitely bad faith at this point. If he can see the part in the original about mercantilism he can also see the part about capitalism (the part he just skipped over) and continues to defend because it reinforces his affinity for right-wing libertarianism (free market = good ... capitalism = good).

Feb 1, 21 3:16 pm  · 
1  · 

Ok dude, you're obviously going to keep doing you, and since I was never really invested nor engaged in this ... I'll leave you to it.

I wAS JUst hErE tO POinT OUt You'RE BiASeD.

Feb 1, 21 3:43 pm  · 
1  · 
square.

xlax, capitalism has no doubt had many positive effects for many people. even david harvey, a marxist, concedes this. but could your small brain, even for once second, consider that capitalism is not a permanent or inevitable condition and system, and that it could, even if it has been, for x amount of years in history, more positive than negative a force, at any given moment in history, cease to be that and flip, being more negative than positive?

doubt it. i'll resort to sneaky's binary and choose the former.

Feb 1, 21 4:26 pm  · 
1  · 
square.

ps- sneaky's binary sounds like a stellar philosophical proposition.

Feb 1, 21 4:28 pm  · 
1  · 

Yep, definitely in level 3 of the pyramid now. You can stop now and this will blow over in a day or so. Or you can double (triple? quadruple? I'm not really keeping track) down and shoot for level 4.

Feb 1, 21 4:29 pm  · 
2  · 
square.

it must be exhausting constantly existing somewhere between a level 3 and 6. who does this to themse... oh, right.

Feb 1, 21 4:32 pm  · 
 · 
square.

i know that once you've resorted to copying me, which happens often, you've failed, but i'll leave you with this riddle that will likely prove difficult for you:

does someone need to imagine an alternative that doesn't yet exist in order to critique something that already does?

Feb 1, 21 5:45 pm  · 
2  · 
tduds

Fully-automated Luxury Space Communism will get us there, obviously.

Feb 1, 21 6:54 pm  · 
2  · 

"Left sucks, right sucks" is not a real useful point of view unless you have a way to get to a different planet ... and have a good hypothesis as to why it will suck less.






*This has been a burn, not a request for more information. You DO NOT need to give me your hypothesis as to why you think libertarianism will solve everything. No one is asking for it.

Feb 1, 21 6:55 pm  · 
4  · 
b3tadine[sutures]

Luxury Space Communism

Need.

Feb 1, 21 7:38 pm  · 
 · 
apscoradiales

square,

There is already an alternative to capitalism. It's in PRC and DPRK.

Feb 1, 21 5:02 pm  · 
 · 
tduds

You're outta ye r element Donnie.

Feb 1, 21 5:10 pm  · 
4  · 
JLC-1

that's just so basic, it's also boring to try and discuss with someone with the arguments of a 10 yr old.

Feb 1, 21 5:10 pm  · 
4  · 
square.

at least xlax can get out of level 1.

Feb 1, 21 5:15 pm  · 
2  · 

No there's a different pyramid for this ...

Feb 1, 21 5:20 pm  · 
4  · 
randomised

Thanks for the hook, the Dutch do lead the way forward! It's called a social democracy, having both capitalism and taxes to fund a welfare state. We actually do tax the rich, anyone making over 68k pays 49.5% taxes for everything above that amount...

Feb 2, 21 5:39 am  · 
1  · 
tduds

"I'd rather make less money than more" ok

Feb 2, 21 12:10 pm  · 
1  · 
tduds

If the difference between debt-free education, universal healthcare, childcare, good public transit, unemployment assistance, etc. and, well, not those things means I only take home 10k out of my 20k raise, please take my $10,000.

Feb 2, 21 12:13 pm  · 
2  · 
tduds

I see "People are moving out of California" is the new "Communism killed 100 million people"

Feb 2, 21 1:16 pm  · 
3  · 
tduds

People are leaving the least affordable places in the country because wages are in a decades long stagnation and the social isolation brought on by a global pandemic has changed the cost-to-benefit of the affordability / density equation. But sure, go off about "the dems"

Feb 2, 21 1:17 pm  · 
4  · 
tduds

ALSO 

"a new population estimate released Wednesday by the Department of Finance found that 136,000 more people left California than moved here from July 2019 to July 2020. That makes three consecutive years of net migration out of the state. While more residents may have moved away than moved in, the total population of the state still increased by a net of 21,200, up to a total of 39.78 million, by far the largest population of any state in the nation." (https://www.lamag.com/citythin...)

So, a net out-migration of three tenths of one percent and an overall population increase. "Exodus" seems like a slight overstatement.

It's so tiring looking up facts for you. 

Feb 2, 21 1:21 pm  · 
3  · 

I wish more Americans understood how their taxes work. People see 49.5% tax rate and think they are paying half their income in taxes (mostly because that's how anti-tax politicians have been framing it). I've literally had to tell family members that getting a raise will not mean you take home less pay even if you break into a higher tax bracket.

"But (fill in name here) said they got a raise and their taxes went up."

"Well, I'm not sure what (fill in name here) is on about, but they're an idiot who doesn't understand how their taxes work."

Feb 2, 21 1:53 pm  · 
2  · 
tduds

Anyway, to bring this back to a semblance of "on-topic" people appear to be flocking to the Netherlands. So perhaps they're doing something right. https://www.statista.com/statistics/525434/netherlands-total-immigration-total-emigration-and-migration-balance/

Feb 2, 21 2:01 pm  · 
 · 

In the end, it took watching a video like this for them to "get it." I had even done the math in front of them and they still didn't believe me. Apparently the Venn diagram of people who don't know how tax brackets work, and people who only trust paid actors on youtube videos, is pretty close to a circle.

Feb 2, 21 2:18 pm  · 
 · 
randomised

I feel sorry for you x-jla, you don't know what you're missing!

Feb 2, 21 3:32 pm  · 
1  · 

jla, I said nothing about you. A little narcissistic to think I was directing my comment to you, no?

Feb 2, 21 3:43 pm  · 
1  · 
tduds

Statistics = BS.
Stories jla hears on the morning talk show and regurgitates = the real deal. 

You know my stance on sources. Put up or shut up.

Feb 2, 21 3:56 pm  · 
3  · 
randomised

x-jla, don't worry too much, you first need to make sure you get to those 67k ;-)

Feb 2, 21 3:57 pm  · 
1  · 
randomised

You get what you pay for...

Feb 2, 21 5:54 pm  · 
2  · 

snicker ...

based on taxes on middle-class families. I don't claim to get their methodology but it looks like TX has much higher property taxes.

Feb 2, 21 6:00 pm  · 
 · 

Maybe they're imagining all that freedom.

If only you'd post a source so we could actually figure out what you mean when you regurgitate stuff. Then we wouldn't have to imagine things.

Feb 2, 21 6:10 pm  · 
1  · 
tduds

Like a true capitalist, jla seems to have decided to conflate people and companies here.

Feb 2, 21 6:15 pm  · 
3  · 
tduds

Anyway, my stance is that these sorts of tax arguments don't work well comparing individual states as much as it does between nations. There are lots of reasons for this, not least of which is that federal taxing and spending dwarfs even the largest state budgets. Nevermind that people move for all sorts of reasons - not *not* because of taxes but certainly not only because of them. Plus, the increased freedom of movement of money & moneyed interests (read: the wealthy and the businesses they incorporate) means one can "live" or "incorporate" in the most financially or politically friendly state while spending a great deal of their time elsewhere. It's a race to the bottom that has little bearing on overall quality of life and even less bearing on individual benefits for all but the top ~10-15%. 

Instead of comparing over-priced under-built California to tax-haven Texas, why not compare the US as a whole to, oh I dunno, The Netherlands? or Germany?

Feb 2, 21 6:21 pm  · 
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tduds

sigh...

"You mean places where people are stuck accepting whatever tax the country demands."

On the contrary most folks seem pretty content with it.

"Simply, you pay for what you get. Taxes in the U.S. have taken on a pejorative association because, well, we are never really quite sure of what we get in return for paying them, other than the world's biggest military."
https://www.marketwatch.com/st...

"Although these countries have high tax rates, only four landed under the 50th benchmark. In fact, four appear in the top ten happiest countries. None of the lower-tax rate countries broke into the top ten, in contrast."
https://www.lawyer-monthly.com...

"A recent article in the peer-reviewed journal Psychological Science suggests that countries with a more progressive tax system are in fact happier than those where tax rates are flatter.

In “The Political Economy of Human Happiness,” one of us (Radcliff) examined individual-level data on 21 countries over three decades and found that people are happier as tax burden increases.

This held even when accounting for other factors known to affect happiness such as income, health, employment status, gender, age, race, education, religion and so on. Similarly, the national or aggregate level of happiness went up or down with the level of taxation (again, controlling for other factors)."
https://theconversation.com/wh...

Now, of course, correlation is not necessarily causation, and surely tax rate / social benefits aren't the *sole* source of satisfaction or happiness. There are also other variables within the economic / taxation system - like "progressiveness" mentioned above, and overall national wealth. 

Finally, I've definitely mentioned this before, but I think the main source of dissatisfaction with taxation in the US is that our taxes don't pay for social benefits. We aren't well connected to the goods & services our taxes provide, and the messaging on the things they do provide is frankly abysmal. So we have this pervasive idea throughout the country that taxes are something "the government" takes from us, rather than something "we" pool to provide physical and social infrastructure. Ironically this sentiment seems strongest among the areas that receive the most relative to what they pay.

Simply lowering taxes won't solve this problem anymore than simply raising them will. We need to bridge the disconnect, and we need to redirect national spending to real, tangible, and visible benefits. We have more than enough wealth to do it. It's a PR problem.

Anyway I'm sure you'll respond with something somehow equal parts inane and condescending so I'll shut up after this comment.


Feb 2, 21 8:40 pm  · 
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Sounds like a damned if you do, damned if you don't thing. Let the companies in with a tax break to get the jobs for the city, and become beholden to the societal and infrastructural issues they bring with all those workers because you can't raise the money through taxes to fix those issues.

Or scare the companies away by telling them they'll have to pay their fair share so the city can deal with the issues they'll inevitably cause, and in the process doom your city to not having any jobs.

Feb 3, 21 12:21 pm  · 
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tduds

Race to the bottom!

Feb 3, 21 12:24 pm  · 
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square.

NY particularly is a Disney land city

^ this is such a dumb take, and i've only seen it from people who's reality isn't remotely close to the city. there's more to NYC than manhattan.. in fact, there are two boroughs that are each as large as the entire city of chicago, and those nearly 5 million people who would refute your ignorant disney land hypothesis.

Feb 3, 21 1:07 pm  · 
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Let's talk again in 10-15 years when those cities in AZ, TX and NV are feeling the pain of overdrawn accounts for improvements and social programs. Or, better yet, why not talk more about how the rich should be philanthropic and put money into those programs in order to make those cities better. It's not like we can't look at Seattle as an example of how your preferred system doesn't work. Bezos and Gates could single-handedly take care of any of the issues Seattleites are hoping the city will address ... yet they do just the bare minimum to feel like they can sleep at night.

Feb 3, 21 1:14 pm  · 
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Dude, did you forget you were the one pushing for altruistic philanthropists to fill in the gap where public funds couldn't? There are receipts ... https://archinect.com/news/article/150240876/facebook-to-invest-150-million-to-build-2-000-affordable-homes-in-bay-area

Feb 3, 21 2:00 pm  · 
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Also, check your facts when you lump me in with how you phrase "you Democrats want" ... I've never claimed, nor have I ever been, a member of the Democratic Party.

Feb 3, 21 2:03 pm  · 
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Philanthropy is good, but based on history, not enough to correct the issues capitalism and lower taxes create. Even if all you want is a zero sum game, capitalism fails. If not philanthropy, what is the solution you'd propose to correcting the issues capitalism creates?*


*Again, this is rhetorical. I'm not really asking for you to pontificate.  

Feb 3, 21 3:20 pm  · 
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I don't support a party.

I haven't actually supported any individual politician with anything more than my vote and my voice (and I don't mean voice in the "money is free speech" way). I have voted (and will vote) for, as well as voiced (and will voice) my opinions of both for and against, politicians from various parties.

Feb 3, 21 3:24 pm  · 
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square.

dunkkk

Feb 3, 21 4:09 pm  · 
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Local, state, or federal election?

Feb 3, 21 4:53 pm  · 
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tduds

I know you're not asking me but I've got 10 minutes to kill. I voted for at least one Republican candidate in every election until 2018, and I've supported some third-party & independent candidates for local positions up to and including 2020.

Feb 3, 21 4:57 pm  · 
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That doesn't surprise me at all tduds.

Feb 3, 21 5:01 pm  · 
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tduds

I would never.

I voted for Jill Stein in 2012,mostly for reasons of party representation. Ain't no way Obama was losing Massachusetts so I felt content to "throw my vote away." But seeing what Jill has become in the decade since it might be the only vote I truly regret.

Feb 3, 21 5:26 pm  · 
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I have voted for a Republican presidential candidate (Bush '04) ... when I was young and not really paying attention to politics. I have not yet voted third-party for president, though I was tempted in '16. I have voted third-party a number of times for local elections including most recently in '20. Last time I voted non-Democratic Party for a federal office was in '12, and for a state office in '18.

If your question was whether I had voted for a non-Republican Party candidate prior to '08, I think the answer would be no.

Feb 3, 21 7:20 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

Glad you guys are over here giving Don Quixote more windmills.

Feb 3, 21 8:05 pm  · 
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tduds

I agree, the Dems tacked far too right for my preference after the 2008 crash.

Feb 3, 21 8:42 pm  · 
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'04 was the first presidential election I could vote in. I was living abroad at the time and my roommate was a guy from TX who I think had some business ties in his family to the Bushes. He was was all in on Bush and I wasn't really paying attention to the election except for what I'd hear from him.

It wasn't until the next year when I had a different roommate that had close ties to Senator Chris Dodd. He (the roommate, not Senator Dodd) started questioning and challenging some of my preconceived notions about party politics and policies in general over the time we spent together. Coincidentally, Senator Dodd was traveling abroad for official business and we were able to meet with him one morning and have breakfast just the three of us. I still regret not taking him up on his offer to tag along with him for that day.

Feb 3, 21 9:08 pm  · 
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tduds

I know. And you have a point, if anything the rightward tack happened after Mondale lost in '84. Clinton was basically Eisenhower (minus the aversion to a military industrial complex).

Feb 4, 21 12:45 pm  · 
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apscoradiales

"tduds

You're outta ye r element Donnie..."

You are probably correct, I shouldn't mix with infantile midgets. Carry on with your imbecilic arguments.

Feb 1, 21 7:06 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

Go fuck yourself, gramps.

Feb 1, 21 7:25 pm  · 
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randomised

you seem stuck on the bottom of that pyramid SP...

Feb 2, 21 5:41 am  · 
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SneakyPete

You (pot) and kettle can also go fuck yourselves.

Feb 2, 21 11:57 am  · 
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randomised

Now, now...temper, temper.

Feb 2, 21 3:28 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

Public service announcement: You are on ignore and I am not removing you to see whatever bullshit you posted. I am sure it's well thought out and witty, because obviously everything you say is.

Feb 2, 21 4:17 pm  · 
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randomised

I'm sorry for your loss...

Feb 2, 21 4:22 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

Pete... don't go insulting pots and kettles. They are responsible for my coffee... and thus, my sanity. Sweet sweet black coffee. Wait, why am I jumping into this? oh well, too late. It's belgian tripple time anyways.

Feb 2, 21 8:44 pm  · 
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Thoughts and prayers...

Trump aides made a late request to Team Biden to extend their parental leave. They said no. Politico

Feb 3, 21 11:26 am  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

The absolute pleasure this brings me, I'm actually crying, with laughter.

Feb 3, 21 12:13 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

I'm conflicted.

Feb 3, 21 12:20 pm  · 
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I know. I feel for them, I really do. But at the same time I can't help myself from taking pleasure in their misfortune. Do the Germans have a word to describe empathy and schadenfreude?

Feb 3, 21 12:24 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Nah. These aren't civil servants, these are political appointments, that means they had zero problems with kids in cages, the insurrection, the racism, the hate...fuck em.

Feb 3, 21 12:42 pm  · 
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My rationale for why I'm allowing myself the pleasure is that it's not like they're really going to suffer. They might have to dip into their savings while they find a new job, but they were always going to have to find a new job. The difference is they aren't doing it while taking their salary paid from the taxpayers' dime ... the same dime they fought to leave in the taxpayers' pockets anyway. So I hope they can manage without their avocado toast for a month or two.

Feb 3, 21 12:49 pm  · 
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randomised

Team Biden should have taken the high road here...missed opportunity.

Feb 3, 21 12:50 pm  · 
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JLC-1

what's the high road rando? how would a dutch do it? 

Nobody should be in their position ever, if parental leave was a right, BUT they were appointed by politics into a position from where they did absolutely nothing to improve the lives of anybody but themselves. 

high road my ass.

Feb 3, 21 12:57 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

^ they are right, should've taken the high road, and forced their children into cages, and sent their parents to gitmo.

Feb 3, 21 12:59 pm  · 
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Whelp, thumbs downing that hot take. The law that allowed for paid leave was only put into effect a month before they knew they were going to lose their jobs in January. They had plenty of time to figure it out. It was their administration's efforts to drag their feet on the transition that forced the new administration's hands. Let them cry about how they've earned the entitlement a little more.

Feb 3, 21 1:01 pm  · 
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randomised

With that attitude you’re not that different than what you think you’re opposing...

Feb 3, 21 1:06 pm  · 
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randomised

My above comment was supposed to follow after b3ta’s, not meant for you EA...

Feb 3, 21 1:13 pm  · 
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randomised

I don’t know but when I became a parent, my head was not at all about figuring out my parental leave situation, it was pure survival mode in and out of hospital and stuff, hell even the so-called big green head forgot to renew the archinect web domain when becoming a parent...
I think parents should be supported no matter the politics, therefore missed opportunity to bridge a divide and just more fuel for more divisiveness, well done!

Feb 3, 21 1:20 pm  · 
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tduds

I think we all (well, all but two...) would agree that the US should have universal parental leave. But that's not the issue at hand here. It's also not "the parents" who spaced out on figuring out their situation, it was the previous administration (for whom they were essentially lackeys, like EA said, not civil servants) who checked out on doing much of anything. I have mixed feelings on this but I'm leaning towards playing my very tiny violin. These people are well off, well connected, and privileged. They'll be fine.

Feb 3, 21 1:38 pm  · 
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JLC-1

yes, parents should be supported no matter the politics, ALL parents and not just these opportunistic grifters.

Feb 3, 21 1:44 pm  · 
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It's a shame the Trump administration didn't push for paid parental leave for all workers and didn't push for private employers to pay their employees for parental leave when they lost their jobs due to the pandemic. Missed opportunity ... could have taken the high road.

Feb 3, 21 1:54 pm  · 
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randomised

“When they go low, we go high”

–Michelle Obama

Feb 3, 21 2:44 pm  · 
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Matter of opinion, but I think the current administration is already going higher than the previous one. Taking this as the one example to judge them by is petty.

Feb 3, 21 3:11 pm  · 
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randomised

I’m not really judging them, just could imagine this to be a bridge worth building to cross the divide...especially when kids are involved, but I do get all the gloating that’s going on (here), finally some pay back to those mofos. It is difficult not to be like Nelson Mandela Muntz in a situation like this.

Feb 3, 21 3:20 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

"Politics, is never polite, and doesn't have fucks to give." - Me

I'm going to say, the high road has been taken, Melanie's family hasn't been deported, and she hasn't been arrested for immigration fraud.

Feb 3, 21 3:21 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

Petty is par for the course in this thread.

Feb 3, 21 3:26 pm  · 
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randomised

All the vindictiveness, what a way to celebrate a win.

Feb 3, 21 3:35 pm  · 
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For the record, no one is celebrating this as a win. We're finding pleasure and humor in how the republicans have for years decried entitlements and government handouts and now there are a few who want what they feel entitled to as a literal handout.

Feb 3, 21 3:41 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

Irony is lost on some.

Feb 3, 21 3:55 pm  · 
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We were already here on the PPP loans SneakyPete. Your first comment over there was basically the same. Apparently people never learn.

Feb 3, 21 4:03 pm  · 
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randomised

With “win” I meant the elections, not the cancellation of parental leave...and of course I see the irony here SP, Biden “grabbing those Trumpers by the [uterus], or is that not what you meant? (I thought you had me on ignore SP, you didn’t even last a day without me)

Feb 3, 21 4:06 pm  · 
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randomised

“ It's a shame the Trump administration didn't push for paid parental leave for all workers and didn't push for private employers to pay their employees for parental leave when they lost their jobs due to the pandemic. Missed opportunity ... could have taken the high road.”

With the Democrats in charge now, there shouldn’t be any reason not to get this done by like, yesterday...

Feb 3, 21 4:09 pm  · 
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Not sure if SP has you on ignore or not, but he's only responded to things he can see and infer from my posts up to this point. So it's plausible he's not seeing anything you're writing (not that he needs to).

Feb 3, 21 4:12 pm  · 
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Mitch McConnell and the Senate filibuster is the reason. Try to follow along. https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/03/schumer-and-mcconnell-agree-to-organizing-resolution-for-50-50-senate-465444

Feb 3, 21 4:14 pm  · 
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randomised

“ We were already here on the PPP loans SneakyPete. Your first comment over there was basically the same. Apparently people never learn.”

You think I don’t see the irony? Of course I see it but choose to ignore it for the sake of argument.

Feb 3, 21 4:20 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

It's like febreeze for the soul.

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Feb 3, 21 4:28 pm  · 
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randomised

Nice switching the ignore on for your screenshot but we all know you’re still reading me.

Feb 3, 21 4:38 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

The radio isn't transmitting, champ.

Feb 3, 21 4:39 pm  · 
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tduds

Worth highlighting that it doesn't appear the Biden admin did this out of any sense of vindictiveness or petty revenge. If anything it seems like a bureaucratic hiccup that the previous admin could have averted, but didn't.

Feb 3, 21 4:41 pm  · 
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tduds

We were having a pretty nuanced conversation, in fact.

Feb 3, 21 4:42 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

If the gov't was allowed to make decisions without being hogtied by the folks in Congress, there might be wiggle room for empathetic bureaucrats to do what they felt was ethical. But since certain factions in the Senate feel like they need to check the size, shape, color, and hirsuteness of everyone's genitals before they even let them into the bathroom much less pee (for the boys on mute: that's a sarcastic way of saying they feel the need to have overt and total control of everything), here we are.

Feb 3, 21 4:46 pm  · 
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TIL the word "hirsuteness"

Feb 3, 21 4:48 pm  · 
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tduds

I'd have thought "hirsutability"

Feb 3, 21 4:53 pm  · 
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randomised

"Worth highlighting that it doesn't appear the Biden admin did this out of any sense of vindictiveness or petty revenge."

Nope, but the responses to it, at least some here, are vindictive and show petty revenge...at least in my opinion.

Feb 3, 21 5:13 pm  · 
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randomised

"We were having a pretty nuanced conversation, in fact."

Someone started micro dosing again...

Feb 3, 21 5:16 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

We're barely 2 weeks past an insurrectionist regime, so forgive me if I'm not willing to delivery an FTD to racist cuck fetishists.

Feb 3, 21 5:51 pm  · 
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square.

febreze*

Feb 4, 21 1:05 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]


I knew it!

Feb 3, 21 12:18 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

Lasers are fine, but where is he going to get his mutated sea bass? What does you expect him to attach them to, sharks?

Feb 3, 21 1:14 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

Republicans: LIZ CHENEY MUST GO!

Also Republicans: MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE IS OK I GUESS.



Feb 3, 21 3:54 pm  · 
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randomised

Didn’t Mitch McC call Greene’s lies “a cancer” for their party? Doesn’t sound like that’s an approving OK to me...

Feb 3, 21 4:14 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

random, the Senate and the House, are two different entities, and the Minority Leader has little to offer.

Feb 3, 21 4:31 pm  · 
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randomised

True

Feb 3, 21 4:36 pm  · 
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tduds

Not even a contradiction, just full-throated white nationalist authoritarianism.

Feb 3, 21 4:37 pm  · 
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tduds

Anyway I'm taking a great deal of enjoyment from the impending GOP implosion. I hope they eat themselves alive, they deserve every bit of it.

Feb 3, 21 4:46 pm  · 
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randomised

"I hope they eat themselves alive, they deserve every bit of it." 

And every bite!

Feb 3, 21 5:12 pm  · 
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jla, you know that only one of those things is in reality true, right? Just making sure you're still in touch with reality.

Feb 3, 21 5:47 pm  · 
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tduds

Dare I ask you to say which one?

Feb 3, 21 5:59 pm  · 
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Apparently Republicans only think Liz Cheney must go when they're on the record and they think their constituents will hold them accountable. When they can hide behind secrecy, they're all "She's ok I guess."

Feb 4, 21 12:12 pm  · 
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