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x-jla
babs

Because these individuals recognize the difference between a self-absorbed dishonest narcissist and a competent, caring person who loves this country.

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x-jla

Oh, so now Jeff Bezos cares?

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BabbleBeautiful

What's your point? Many people, including myself, have been holding their breaths until it's officially over. If you were trying to play the complacency card, then we can have a discussion, but you're not.

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x-jla

The Democrats and republicans have been upholding a globalist neo-liberal order since after ww2. Trump disrupted that order, for better or worse. These big multinational companies benefit from this order being reinstated, as well as relations with China. I’m glad trump is gone because of his divisive rhetoric, immigration policies, etc...but in terms of foreign affairs I think he’s better than the parties of Obama, Bush...

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tduds

Counterpoint the "globalist neo-liberal order" is not bad and the majority of Obama's foreign policy was a long-play to keep an ascendant China in check. 

If you think some late-19th century mercantilist bullshit like "tariffs" actually made an iota of progress against China's rise as a global power, well I've got a hotel in Shanghai to sell you.

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Dank Gehry

why do there seem to be no consistently good people anywhere? no matter what side, it seems like all anyone wants to do in this country is mock each other

Nov 8, 20 3:46 am  · 
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x-jla

I think part of it is that the 2 parties are in a hypocrisy loop.

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x-jla

Like the super spreader events last night

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If it didn't involve people contracting a deadly virus, I'd be laughing about this.

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Volunteer

Donald Trump famously said that George Bush's decision to invade Iraq was "the single worst decision ever made by the US Government". There has not been a more honest statement by a US President in the past 100 years and probably will not be topped for the next 100 years. While Bush and Cheney have the most responsibility for the carnage, Barak Obama and Joe Biden were in office for the last eight years of the useless wars and did little to stop them. Trump did put an end to them and did so over the objections of the generals. 

Nov 8, 20 9:14 am  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Right. Sure. Except facts. Obama pulled out of Iraq, started his run for office being against the Iraq war. North Korea is more of a threat. Iran is out of the agreement made with Obama, because of Trump's actions. Europe is destabilized because of Trump. China is twitching because of Trump. The biggest threats to our stability are global climate change, and the pandemic, all abandoned by Trump. This is too easy. You're too simple.

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archi_dude

Obama pulled out of Iraq and within the same term we had ISIS and a bombing campaign that did little began. The gloves off approach under Trump ended it. Under Obama, Russia annexed Georgia, Crimea and Eastern Ukraine, the drop in oil prices below 50$/barrel becuase of American oil shale set off a recession and government funding crisis in Russia that halted their advances, Obama sat idly by. Assad's used chemical agents on their citizens, Obama sat idly by. Europe was forced to step up and contribute their agreed amounts for NATO, we took out an Iranian general openly engaged with US forces and created a line they knew not to cross. We had a sitting US president shake hands with North Korea, China has been building the spratlys long before Trump. However, since Trump isnt establishment he didnt listen to globalized corporations telling him to go soft so they get chinese market share at the worlds expense. I'm glad to see Trump go and have us be on a more unified track, but you needed some correcting B3ta
.

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b3tadine[sutures]

Obama didn't sit idly by. But I'm confused, are hoping that Obama just willy-nilly wander into global wars, or were you hoping for some magic to occur. In all cases, Obama rightfully put the decisions on whether or not we start bombing Assad into Legislative hands, Article 1. As for Ukraine, they were not in NATO, were always going to be threatened by Russia, as their long history suggests. Lastly, what has Trump done? Back rubs from Putin? We took out an Iranian leader, something to hang your hat on, while Kim launches ever more increasing shots across Japan.

What is it you're looking for? A unitary executive, and a Congress not held accountable for the powers precisely placed in their hands? 

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tduds

"Right. Sure. Except facts." A+

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x-jla

One word- Libya

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tduds

B E N G H A Z I

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SneakyPete

BUTTER HE MALES

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sameolddoctor

I do agree that Trump (with Kusher's backhanded deals etc.) was not bad for Middle East politics. Obviously, he built on the strong framework left by Obama and Biden. He could've fucked it all up but didnt.

However, regarding China - he made them more powerful by dividing the country further and making us weaker. Same with his backhanded deals with India, Turkey, Japan etc etc.

The gist of all of this is that while he was focused on making deals with other countries in the name of world peace, he literally left the US to die with COVID, inspiring racial violence and division. This is why I am glad he is out and hope he never comes back.

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x-jla

I just don’t get the last part. The liberal msm inspired racial division by curating a certain type of story to shape public perceptions and guide a narrative. The facts are that police shootings have gone down, not up. Furthermore, trump had more black votes 20% of males, and 35% Hispanics, than any republican in 50-60 years. I’m glad he is out too, but the divide and conquer strategy was certainly being played from both ends.

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x-jla

Just a coincidence that racial division was top news story before 2016 election too...I remember HRC being called out by a family member of a victim being called out to stop exploiting her family

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Volunteer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

Sydney Powell is the attorney for Michael Flynn.  Her firm replaced his original lawyers which were in the tank for the DOJ and saved his bacon. She is now on the Trump voting case and hopefully will be able to bring the case to the Supreme Court. Seems like if what she is saying isn't true she could face sanctions. 

Nov 8, 20 3:31 pm  · 
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curtkram

at some point it has to be embarrassing posting stuff like this. think about how bad any given election would have to be for the supreme court to change the will of voters. the precedent set would be that the supreme court would end democracy and the state's rights to run elections and send delegates to the electoral college.

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b3tadine[sutures]

Flynn, the guy who plead guilty, and who then later had the DOJ - who you seem to think were in the tank against Flynn - try to drop charges, and the Judge essentially told them to go grab their ankles; those are the geniuses repping for Trump? This will be good. Popcorn won't be enough.

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b3tadine[sutures]

Do you just randomly toss shit into a blender, and spit this like Vanilla Ice spits rhymes?

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Non Sequitur

All right stop

Collaborate and listen

Ice is back with my brand new invention

Something grabs a hold of me tightly 

Flow like a harpoon daily and nightly

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randomised

That’s my jam!

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Non Sequitur

I’m sure that UDS attended a vanilla ice show or 2 in their early days.

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randomised

More likely other way around ;-)

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x-jla
x-jla

Not my president!

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x-jla

A Politico article hidden...ha

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tduds

Call me a luddite, but I see no reason to use anything other than simple paper ballots, ever.

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I'm not even sure what the point of the article is. The only claim they are making is that an update to the software occurred and it delayed voting, which was then extended. It was perhaps unusual, but there isn't any claim that this means there were votes not counted or anything. Both counties affected (Morgan County and Spalding County) went for Trump with similar numbers as they did in 2016. 

  • Morgan County: 
    • 2016 went 69.2% for Trump, 
    • 2020 it's 70.3%. 
  • Spalding County:
    • 2016 went 60.9% for Trump, 
    • 2020 it's 60.0%. 

What's so interesting about this?

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x-jla

Those machines also “glitched” in other counties and flipped votes from trump to Biden. When someone caught it, they corrected it.

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x-jla

Investigate who the machines are connected to.

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Do your own homework and cite your sources.

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x-jla

The hypocrisy is funny.  Not my president, Russia stole the election, illegitimate president, collusion collusion...etc x 4 years.  Now whaaaa they are undermining the legitimacy of democracy...whaaaa...That’s why the arguing will never stop.  Hypocrisy annoys people more than anything and like I said above the two parties are in a twilight zone hypocrisy loop.  



Nov 9, 20 12:06 am  · 
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SneakyPete

and you float above it all, filled with hot air

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b3tadine[sutures]

I'm trying to see the hypocrisy. Maybe I need to get higher.

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square.

love seeing xlax shape shift from "trump will win hands-down" grifter to minority-party-hyper-troll before our eyes.

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x-jla

what’s minority-party?

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square.

is this a real question? you know less about politics than i gave you credit for.

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x-jla

The hypocrisy is so clear...Jon Stewart cry’s about trump saying election was fraudulent....he, and the entire Democratic Party as well as the entire media establishment spent the last 4 years literally saying that the 2016 election was stolen. If you can’t see the hypocrisy, you are part of the problem. Then to add, lmfao, after months of saying that trump rallies are super spreader events Biden hosts a huge rally with fire works, people passing around champagne bottles and swapping spit, you can’t make this shit up.

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b3tadine[sutures]

The first one was fraudulent. Russia did intervene. The second one was attempted theft, as evidenced by USPS, the minions calling for the ending of vote counting, and trying to criminalize mail in voting. So where is the hypocrisy? As for Biden's event, are you cognitively impaired? The people who attended were in cars, in a fucking parking lot. Not like fat boy, who holds an event at the White House. Shouldn't you be off to the Four Seasons?


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b3tadine[sutures]

"you can’t make this shit up."

Apparently, you can.

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x-jla

No self awareness

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x-jla

Some liberal tweets: “the republicans are such sore losers”. The twitter mob agrees...I can’t tell between parody or reality anymore...I think it’s time for trump supporters to put on penis hats and clog the streets...not because I give a shit which wannabe tyrant is on the throne, but because we need consistency man.

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square.

"some liberal tweets = my understanding of the totality of reality"

i truly feel for people like you who are unable to celebrate and immediately begin whining, complaining, and groaning as soon as possible. it must be a pretty miserable existence. there's a lot not to love about biden, but holy shit removing trump is one of the most consequential events of our life time, especially for the planet.

if you are as "independent" as you claim, stop being so goddamn insufferable and breathe for a minute.

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x-jla

Removing trump is not necessary good for the planet being that China’s mass pollution is a direct consequence or our trade arrangements and their growth that feeds off it. One think I’m happy about is the likelihood of a divided govt. I don’t see why Biden is better than trump. I go off facts and logic, not speeches about Scranton and unity. I also don’t look at the pretty pictures on the cereal boxes. I look at the ingredients. Most cereal is filled with shit

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square.

*ignores and keeps incoherently rambling about cereal*

later, man.

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tduds

Computers use logic. Humans are infected by emotion even when they think they're being rational. Stop saying "logic" when you mean "thought process" and stop pretending your thought process is any more immune to bias than anybody else's.

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BabbleBeautiful

I really don't understand how ya'll keep up with him...it's commendable in it's own right

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Not even sure why I'm posting this, but here we are. 

The issue in 2016 was never about whether Trump was elected by a fair election process. He was. You can find Dems that would claim it wasn't "fair" that the winner of the popular vote didn't win, but that's how our elections process works. Claims of Russian interference stopped short of claiming that votes were changed or fabricated. In fact, most media outlets and politicians were going out of their way to point out that the voting process was not tampered with. At most it was a claim that people were misled by misinformation or fabrications (i.e. fake news) ... but the foundation of the democracy, that the people give the leaders power through the voting process, was never in doubt (except for Trump's own claim that 3 million illegal immigrants voted for Clinton, of which there has never been any evidence to support it). 

The issue in 2020 is that Trump is claiming there has been widespread voter fraud (with no evidence to support it), and that does undermine the electoral process which ultimately undermines the foundation of democracy. So this isn't even close to a valid whataboutism for 2020's claims compared to 2016's claims of "not my president." The only person undermining democracy, in both cases, has been Trump. So there's no hypocrisy here because Dems, with their claims of Russian collusion, were never undermining the electoral process like they are saying Trump is now.

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x-jla

There is a hypocrisy loop...meaning that both sides are engaging in back and forth hypocrisy. The hypocrisy is undermining the legitimacy of their “authority”

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tduds

.You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means |  Know Your Meme

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tduds

"I really don't understand how ya'll keep up with him..." 

How is easy. It's why that continues to elude me.

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Hypocrisy doesn't undermine the legitimacy of a politician. It might undermine their credibility or their likability, but their legitimacy is founded in the election that put them in power. The only one trying to undermine that legitimacy is Trump and those who follow him.

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x-jla

You mean like when trump was called an illegitimate president?

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b3tadine[sutures]

Xlax keeps using hypocrisy, the better word for Trump and his ilk is; duplicitous.

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tduds

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x-jla

Must have been hard living under a rock for the last 4 years

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x-jla

“ their legitimacy is founded in the election that put them in power” https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-trump-is-an-illegitimate-
president/2019/09/26/29195d5a-e099-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html%3foutputType=amp

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x-jla

Yawn, it’s too easy.

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tduds

There are a ton of reasons why 2020 is different from 2016 but I'm kinda busy this week so instead of trying in vain to craft my own response that you'll inevitably dismiss I'm going to post funny memes and occasional good analyses that other people write as I come across them. Stay tuned.

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tduds

Kind of a digression but it's very funny to me that you're so obviously googling things on the fly and posting whatever results come up since you can't be bothered (or don't know how) to scrub the link into a correct URL.

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One of his links further below shows it was from Ben Shapiro's facebook page. Great source of news! Where was the link he posted that said that people who get the majority of their news from social media are less informed overall?

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tduds

When one person does something, and then a different person does something in contradiction to the first person. It's "hypocrisy" because both of those people are "Liberals."

Also I decided they're Liberals neither of them said it.

Nov 9, 20 11:00 am  · 
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tduds

Mark my words if credible evidence comes out that foreign interference somehow tipped the election *for* Biden, I'll eat my hat. In all likelihood (and I'll pre-emptively admit this is pure conjecture and I have no factual backup for it) any interference was designed to help Trump but it failed.

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b3tadine[sutures]

I'm still waiting for xlax to take my offer on his bet.

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SneakyPete

There was indeed attempted fraud in Pennsylvania.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry...

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square.

incredible. what was all that about evidence, facts, and logic?

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Playing off of tduds conjecture ... any interference could have succeeded in helping Trump while also failing to give him the victory. I've seen talk about the red shift along the Texas border because of Spanish-language targeted misinformation. I'm not saying it was coming from a foreign actor, but just pointing out that success and failure might depend on how you look at it. 

A lot of Russia's interference in 2016 was seen as simply trying to undermine confidence in the electoral process. Judging by what we are seeing 4 years later, this could be seen as successful based on the stuff Volunteer and jla are posting.

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x-jla

I didn’t say that the election was or wasn’t compromised. I said that it could have been. People laughed at the idea that the government was spying on us, then the NSA program was revealed. It’s laughable that suggest that with all the global enemies that trump has made, that foreign powers wouldn’t also potentially interfere. I’m saying, investigate and let the courts decide the truth. You guys act like the Dems are above corruption, which is not true, considering corruption may be happening on their behalf unknown to them entirely. I have no idea of proof exists. Probably not. Let’s let them investigate to rule it out.

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square.

You guys act like the Dems are above corruption

no, we don't. we just act like equating both political parties with vague abstractions that have little basis in reality is irresponsible.

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x-jla

The Russia investigation didn’t reveal anything substantial. They trolled online. That’s the extent.

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tduds

"They trolled online [on behalf of a specific candidate, with the knowledge and tacit approval of said candidate]." Important omission.

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x-jla

And the Iranians and Chinese have been doing the same for a specific Candidate
.

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x-jla

I’m happy trump is out, but I want the elections investigated. In the internet age, it’s naive to assume that an election can be fair. There is a big difference between propaganda and actual hacking into systems or whatever...the later is my concern. The propaganda is kind of impossible to stop.

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SneakyPete

What happens when the puppet becomes sentient yet never questions whose hand is up its ass?

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x-jla

Ask people with protest signs.

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tduds

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curtkram

it's up to the election commissioners in each county to investigate their elections. they do that. it's happening. if there is a specific county, maybe even three, that seems to have screwed up and tried to cover it up instead of fixing it, then let's get an outside agency involved. don't fill the courts with frivolous lawsuits with no evidence because you're a sore loser.

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x-jla

Can we change Bill Barr for Bill Burr? It would be way funnier.

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SneakyPete

For posterity:


Nov 9, 20 11:57 am  · 
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Volunteer

Seems like the Dems would want the Supreme Court to look into the issues and bolster their case by their findings of nothing there. Why not? 

Nov 9, 20 3:04 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Bring a case. Smart guy.

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tduds

I sometimes call up the courts to make them prove I didn't murder anyone. No one said I did, but it's good to be sure.

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b3tadine[sutures]

Well, you murdered me with that comment. So....

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Volunteer

"Hillary Clinton dismissed President Donald Trump as an “illegitimate president” and suggested that “he knows” that he stole the 2016 presidential election in a CBS News interview to be aired Sunday."

OK for Hillary to call Trump an illegitmate president, but not OK for Trump supporters to request a recount of the vote and ask questions and file lawsuits for the courts to decide?

Nov 9, 20 5:48 pm  · 
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tduds

Cite your sources.

edit: Nevermind, I saw jla's link dump above.

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If HRC wants to claim Trump is illegitimate, fine. She wasn't there on Jan 20, 2017 waiting for the Chief Justice to swear her in, so I don't think she really intended on following through with it. If she can prove it, she should get her chance, though it's a little too late. 

Same goes for Trump and his followers now. If he wants to claim there is some issue with the election and that Biden isn't legitimate, fine. Back it up with evidence and get the courts to rule in his favor. Otherwise it all seems like just a bunch of hot air.

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b3tadine[sutures]

Trump himself called the 2016 election illegitimate, questioned the vote numbers, along with having the audacity to claim, illegitimately that his inauguration was attended by more people than Obama's. Yeah, the Birther In Chief did all of that.

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Volunteer, here's a difference for you between HRC's claim Trump's 2016 election is illegitimate, and Trump's claim about Biden's in 2020. HRC never got Loretta Lynch to look into claims that had been made in court and dismissed. 

"Justice Department investigators are looking into a referral from the Republican Party in Nevada, which claims over 3,000 people who live outside the state voted in its election, the department official said. The official would not say whether the department had opened a full investigation. A federal judge dismissed the claim in court last week." Source

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tduds

Clinton conceded. Obama and his entire administration facilitated a peaceful transfer of power. 

The crucial difference is that they were able to put their personal opinions aside and respect the integrity of the system even when they felt it had failed to reflect the will of the people. Currently, not just Trump but a disturbing proportion of the Republican establishment is casting doubt on the integrity of the system because it did reflect the will of the people. 

Direction is as important as amplitude in this case, and the two scenarios are remarkably different.

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randomised

But if they concede they will never win the presidency again, or something like that...it is not about a rigged election at all for them, they happily accept the senate and Congress results of the same election. Suddenly the people counting those votes are okay. They just know that with a changing demographic and urbanisation they are screwed...
Most beautiful election map I saw was of Arizona: https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/jprzeg/arizona_voting_precincts_and_arizona_native/

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randomised

And a black voter said, not sure where I saw it on Twitter or imgur, that they’ve come a long way as people, paraphrasing here, they went from picking cotton to picking the president.

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tduds

Was it this guy?


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no, it was Dan Purdy

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b3tadine[sutures]

we need a better devil, because this advocate is shit, just shit.




Nov 9, 20 9:43 pm  · 
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tduds

A+ pun

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x-jla

First, I’m not sure what you all are saying - fraud didn’t happen (you don’t know), fraud couldn’t happen (Why not), or I don’t care about fraud because my guy won???    


Second, stop lying.  The hypocrisy is clear as day, and you look ridiculous not acknowledging it. Voter propaganda from Russia was lesser than the propaganda and info suppression from big tech.  


Third, I’m happy trump is out, just not happy Biden is in.  Based on policy, not style or branding, why is a Biden presidency better?  I’ll give you the nice feel good speeches (which are written by others FYI), but in terms of policy, what will be better and why?


Fourth, Kamala Harris is an obnoxious and ruthless prosecutor.  She’s not kind and woke.  I get the black female barrier thing (which no one cares about except the identity fetish group or the actual racists), but other than that, her record shows that she is a terrible human.  Why are we celebrating this?


Fifth, I’m not going to put a “not my president” bumper sticker on my car, or riot in the streets (nyc plywood windows can come off btw...no need now that Biden won) or wear a vagina hat like a jackasses crying and flailing on the ground in 2016-17, because it’s dumb.  

Nov 10, 20 9:44 am  · 
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x-jla

Also, stop acting like a revolution occurred. There is nothing more establishment than Biden. The public didn’t rage against the machine, Biden is the machine.

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Volunteer

A moderate Democrat would have been fine. Biden is senile; he will do whatever his handlers of the moment say. Who are they? Who voted for them? Are they establishment or reactionary? Who knows? Right now Biden is trying to take credit for the COVID-19 virus vaccine that was developed under our current President. He is pathetic.

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x-jla

I agree. As for the vaccine, Actually it was developed by scientists, so the whole concept of a president getting credit because they were there when it was developed doesn’t make sense.

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b3tadine[sutures]

Typical clowns. Trump can't put one sentence together, and douchenozzles like these two reprobates are casting aspersions. Absolutely love the hypocrisy, yes hypocrisy. No one elected religious leaders, Trump is pro choice, Trump assaulted, raped and is an out and out racist, Trump is bought and sold by Turkey, Russia, and others, and you kkklowns are wondering who owns Biden? Eat a djick magakkklan.

As for the virus, and vaccine, cry me a river snowflake maga; Trump will own the former, and Bidet latter. Trump owns the failure of the wall, immigration, white nationalists, the declining economy, etc. He's a piece of shit, he's going to jail, and with any luck Don Jr. will be on a street corner doling out blow jobs for change.

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x-jla

Are the 20% of black men and 38% or Hispanics in the magakkklan or did they just realize that Biden is a racist based on past policy and past racist comments?

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x-jla

Wait a second, according to biden “they ain’t black” so guess they are white now by default and therefore in the kkk. Sneaky libs

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b3tadine[sutures]

That's the problem with dipshits like you, you think that white supremacy is all the purview of whites, instead of deeper thinking into the underpinnings. I don't care what handful of black men did, Black Women won this, and I'm going to celebrate them,
you garbage fire.

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x-jla

The problem with people like you is that you redefine terms stretching to fit your narrative like language is made from silly putty. You make paranoid claims about “white supremacy” as if it’s fact without providing any evidence or reasoning. You make everything about race. The only people this obsessed with race are racists and identity fetish folks. Do you realize that by making everything about race you are reducing people to their least important characteristics?

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x-jla

Like when you look at a Basquiat or listen to Hendrix...if race is the first thing that Pops in your head...your probably a racist.

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x-jla

*you’re

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b3tadine[sutures]

The only moron denying white supremacy, and the insidious, infrastructural impacts, are dumb asses like you. Not to mention the rampant misogynist, and homophobic attitudes emanating from the men you've underscored as "evidence" of a lack of white supremacy. Get a book. White Supremacist Capitalist Patriarchy is real, and you don't have to be a kkkrazy white ass kkkracker to be one. The sheer dumbfuckkkery.

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b3tadine[sutures]

Epilogue: it's clowns like you that fail to see, acknowledge, and reconcile the past, that are the reason we're in this place. Get back to your color-blind world son, adults are busy doing the work you lazy whites are incapable of doing.

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x-jla

“The men I’ve underscored” ??? Not sure what you are talking about. Anyway, it’s like arguing with a cult member. “I don’t like capitalism and racism is bad, so if I call capitalism racist then defending capitalism equates to defending racism and I don’t have to talk about hard stuff like economics”. Something like that. Also, please show me a multi-racial communist society, thanks.

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x-jla

“Reconcile the past” How? It’s like literally the past, and no one was there, and how far back do we go, and who’s responsible, and who’s a victim????....your way of thinking holds people back. I choose to focus on the future. Race is stupid. This is one planet of trillions upon trillions, the shade of someones ass skin is the least important thing to occupy ones mind.

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b3tadine[sutures]

"Are the 20% of black men and 38% or Hispanics..." Dumbfuckkkery.

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x-jla

And you’re white correct? So maybe get a serious tan or stfu about what’s good for black people...

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x-jla

Ohhh so the blacks and Hispanics that voted for trump are the defective ones. Got it.

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x-jla

Not that the economy was decent under trump, prison reform, black college funding, opportunity zones, capitalism vs socialism rhetoric, etc. I love how you remove the agency from an entire race by rendering them heroic when they vote for 1 candidate or defective when they vote for the other. Essentially, they have 1 legitimate choice then, no?

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b3tadine[sutures]

^^^duuuuuuumbfuckkkery supreme. Talks about agency, then points to all the ways the Grand Wizard buys votes. You ain't got nothing on stupid, you own the whole ship. You're white...omg. The level of fucking stupid. Tell me asshat, when you're done beating your wife, does she say thank you?

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x-jla

Lmfao. I don’t buy your bullshit therefore I’m a wife beater. Black people who vote for someone you don’t like are defective. Keep it up...your close to QAnon level thinking...#alldemsarepedos

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x-jla

“Buys votes” the Dems have been buying votes for a long time...what did LBJ say again?

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b3tadine[sutures]

^^^keeps saying that people are defective, when I'm saying internalized oppression is real, and homophobia and misogyny is real. Demonstrates you should be first in line for reëducation camps in my Marxist Wonderland.

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x-jla

Yes, internalized oppression is real, and the oppression narrative is being pimped by you. And, haha not a chance about the camps.

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randomised

“Poor kids can be just as [defective] as white kids”...

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x-jla

In my libertarian wonderland you’d be the first that I’d leave alone because that’s what libertarians do.

 · 
b3tadine[sutures]

^^^except you're not a Libertarian.

 · 
x-jla

Y not?

 · 
x-jla

Open borders, free markets, equality of opportunity, legalized drugs, legalized anything, stop military adventurism, end militarized police state, maximum liberty for all, end crony capitalism and corporate welfare, free anyone in prison for non violent offenses, individualism, multiculturalism, minimal govt, absolute free speech and expression, Low taxes Etc etc. I take a more progressive approach on some things like UBI. I think it’s a necessity and doesn’t limit liberty at all. Environmental issues, I prefer maximum conservation and restoration of state lands as the primary function of the state. The lands no currently owned should be preserved. The owner lands leave alone. In my libertarian wonderland the fed would be more like a giant national parks service. The military would be neutral.

 · 
x-jla

And yes, I voted Jo Jorgensen. She’s a woman, therefore I’m a misogynist because I clearly just like boobs

 · 
square.

yeah.. you're still not a libertarian.

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x-jla

Your not a liberal.

 · 
x-jla

You’re not a liberal

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curtkram

so when a woman is aggressive enough to win a few court cases and succeed in politics you feel the need to publicly claim that she's a terrible person? like you needed to post that here because you really need people to know you think strong women are terrible people?

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x-jla

Are u slow?

 · 
x-jla

She’s a terrible person because she’s a terrible person. I don’t care if she’s a trans Pygmy one legged dwarf with Crohn’s disease . No identity passes from me. Are you even aware of her record as a prosecutor? I’m the only one here that voted for a woman, jo Jorgensen, and I also said multiple times that the best dem candidate for prez was tulsi Gabbard, a woman of color, who also happened to destroy Kamala in the debate causing her campaign to crater...then the dnc forced her upon us because she’s exactly the soulless politician that they can control.

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curtkram

i'm just saying, you could type that all out and not hit enter at the end. like, get it out of your system, but don't put this version of you out in public. this isn't private space.

 · 
x-jla

Did you not just try to spin my criticism of Kamala Harris with a lazy sexist claim? Why is that acceptable?

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x-jla
b3tadine[sutures]

Meh.

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x-jla

Why is this hidden? It’s truth. Orwell said something about telling the truth...

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Not sure why it’s hidden, unless it’s been fact checked as wrong. This isn’t the silver bullet jla thinks it is though. I’m not quite sure what he’s trying to point out here anyway. Do things like this happen, yes. That’s why we have the double checks in the process to find and correct these things. Are you suggesting that there are errors like this throughout the results in various states that would be enough to overturn the presidential election results? This is an example of the process working and reinforces the claims that there has not been large scale voter fraud or tampering in the elections.

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square.

it's time to (i can't believe i'm saying this) pull a fox news- stop paying attention and shut the shit off.

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x-jla

EA, it’s not about overturning anything imo. I don’t want trump back in, but I want anyone trying to scam an election arrested, or any software that is glitching to be removed from use. Why wouldn’t you? We have little ability to stop foreign actors like Iran, China, Russia, but domestic interference can and should be resolved. If trumps unrealistic dream of overturning the results is the motivation to do so, then let the courts and investigations sort it out.

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I've never said I want to keep glitchy software or that people trying to scam the election shouldn't be arrested, and you're not really saying that. You're using it as an excuse to keep doing what you're doing (see the hippo story below) ... but no one is disagreeing that if there is evidence of voter fraud or a rigged election they should be investigated. What I'm saying is so far, without evidence to the contrary, there isn't any there there. Until there is ... you're just a hippo using it's tail as a crop duster. 

You're intelligent enough that you can see the articles you're posting aren't pointing to anything unusual, and that the system seems to be working as it normally does. If you want to make larger changes to the voting process and get rid of chances for scamming elections, you'd be spending your time encouraging everyone in Georgia to vote for the two democratic senate candidates in their January runoff election. That will mean that something might actually be done rather than the elections and voting bills languishing on the Senate Majority Leader's desk for the next two years.

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SneakyPete

"I can't win the game so I am changing the rules." -X-Lax

1  · 
SneakyPete

"I make shit flow." -X-Lax

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x-jla

Hippo poop for 4 years everywhere and no one notices. Now, that your guy won, suggesting voter interference is taboo. There is as much evidence that big tech suppressed certain information before the election as Russia did

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x-jla

All I’m saying is, you didn’t win anything. The DNC and RNC are both two heads of the deep state. Trump was too narcissistic to control. They needed him out to go back to business as usual

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b3tadine[sutures]

^^^assertions disguised as fact, is hippo-shit. Thank you for playing.

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SneakyPete

Deep State: words that have no meaning.

1  · 
x-jla

Deep state: You know, the thing that liberals used to talk about before they were brainwashed to believe that the government loves them....NSA, crack cia connection, military industrial complex, etc..

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b3tadine[sutures]

FWIW this dumb shit is hidden for the same reason we all shut down stupid; just because there's water on ground, doesn't mean it's raining. Especially when it's obvious to anyone with half a brain; it's sunny and 70.

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x-jla

It’s 60 and partly cloudy

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Subtle, but did anyone else catch the change when jla went from asserting voter fraud to voter interference to move those goalposts? 

If you're suggesting there was voter interference in the form of massive amounts of misinformation, I'm right there with you. If you're suggesting there has been voter interference through coordinated attempts over years to disenfranchise groups of voters by the Republican Party, I'm right there with you.

2  · 
randomised

Don’t people remember the DNC emails and WikiLeaks?

2  · 
x-jla

EA, I’m suggesting that all of the above are possible. I was clear on saying that I don’t know if it happened, but I know it could have. It’s like when the virus broke out and within weeks media was saying “the virus didn’t come from a lab”. No evidence. Just dismissed the possibility. I’m saying that fraud is certainly possible. Interference aka misinformation is apparent from both parties. Come on, you don’t think that big tech suppressed hunter Biden stories on purpose? It’s fucking obvious.

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Hippo poop = allegations without evidence and conspiracy theories. You can keep flinging it, just know that is what it is.

1  · 
x-jla

I never alleged anything. I simply stated that it’s possible and that the DNC is not above it. The dnc and rnc are deeply corrupt parties man. We have been in wars for pretty much my entire life. As soon as one cools down, another starts up. This is not a democracy. It’s a very limited and highly curated buffet at best
.

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x-jla

I understand the joy of getting trump out. I don’t understand the enthusiasm of getting Biden in, and I don’t trust the motives to do so.

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tduds

I think you're mistaking the former (relief that Trump is on the out) for the latter (enthusiasm that Biden is on the in) and then using that to smugly denigrate happy people. It's pretty annoying, to be blunt.

2  · 
x-jla

There was a rat in a house. A snake ate the rat. Now there is a snake in the house. Pretty much how I see it.

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tduds

Well that's dumb.

3  · 

Honey Badger 2024!


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square.

never gets old.

but xlax still isn't a libertarian.

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Back to cleaning up the poo with actual journalism. I'm surprised jla isn't embarrassed with how easy it is to fact check these things and point out he's being manipulated to believe things that aren't true. 

No, Software Glitches Are Not Affecting Vote Counts (from NYT)

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x-jla

Your moms not a libertarian

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x-jla

Again, didn’t say it was, said it could. The msm is useless. They don’t investigate inconvenient subjects anymore, like hunter Biden, so I don’t take their word for it.

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You’re saying the Daily Wire got this one more correct from their extensive research compared to the mainstream media NYT?

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x-jla

Meh, human error or software error, I’m saying let it be investigated by people that know about this shit. I said it about a dozen times already, I’m not saying fraud happened, I’m saying that it could have. If lots of people are worried, investigation will settle it. No one is going to believe the media, because they have been very biased.

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SneakyPete

So your point, after everything, is that you know nothing and are waiting for people to tell you what to think.

1  · 
tduds

Lots of things *could* be happening. Doesn't mean we need to talk about them.

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tduds

My mom could be a libertarian. She's not, but she *could* be. I demand you acknowledge this possibility so we don't spend time talking about all of the evidence that contradicts it.

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x-jla

I distinctly remember the Dems spending lots of money and time investigating the Russia conspiracy theory, with little evidence, and y’all loving it

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x-jla

In fact, they lied and got a bogus dossier from a foreign agent to justify the warrant...I’m just here to point out the hypocrisy

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SneakyPete

That's not why you are here.

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tduds

There was, and still is, lots of evidence.

1  · 
Non Sequitur

I've got a story reasonably relevant to the discussion above.

When I was much younger, say 12 or so, I was at a zoo in Virginia (the better one, not West) admiring the hippo pond.  It was mid summer so temp was hot and humid and it was busy. One particularly large hippo decided it was a a good time to relieve itself in front of the crowd.  Little did I know, but hippos tend to use their tails as crop dusters to disperse feces in a wide radius.  To add to this, on this particular day, this hippo's discharge was less than solid so the crowd not only got a show, but also a shower of liquid (possibly hot) hippo shit.  I was spared any collateral damage due to the tall enclosure barrier but the memory of the smell in the muggy air and visible spray pattern (plus a bunch of fat American tourists running around) still comes back to me from time to time.

The above conversation reminds me of that day. 

Nov 10, 20 10:58 am  · 
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x-jla

Hippocrisy

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Non Sequitur

how so?

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tduds

Crissy would be a good name for a pet Hippo.

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Look, I'm not one to comment negatively on people's appearance, I try hard not to, but that Kelly Loeffler lady has WAY too much hair.

Nov 10, 20 12:33 pm  · 
2  · 
SneakyPete

Hair furor.

2  · 
b3tadine[sutures]

Overly processed, failed reality show contestant.

1  · 
Volunteer

She also has 500 million dolars.

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Non Sequitur

Volunteer, she only has 499 million. She donated 1 million to trump's 2020 campaign.

1  · 
tduds

Overly processed, overly wealthy, failed reality show contestant.

2  · 
square.

too much hair, sell the shares

1  · 
b3tadine[sutures]

Of course she has $500000000, but she's still a Trumper Mud Flap.

1  · 
SneakyPete

She's an excellent example for how inheritance stifles motivation much more effectively than the social safety net.

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Volunteer

I think she married into it. Her husband owns the company that owns the New York Stock Exchange. Hubby is the Chairman of the NY Stock Exchange as well. Their home in the Tuxedo Park section of Atlanta is where 'Gone With the Wind' went.

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randomised

“Funny” how some people mock a person’s appearance or their voice for the sole reason that they have different political opinions...

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SneakyPete

"hilarious"

1  · 
randomised

Isn't it? It's like there are no other reasons or arguments but those superficial ones, great level of discourse!

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SneakyPete

Coming from you, that hits especially hard.

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x-jla

You can only mock conservative appearances otherwise you are sexist. Come on man, get with the new rules! You can’t even critique female policies without being called a sexist if they are members of the church of woke.

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SneakyPete

You're such a free thinker. It's made clear how much you think for yourself when you use original insults you made up by your big boy self.

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randomised

Pete, it is totally different in a one on one discussion/argument where insults are flying back and forth than in discussing someone’s politics/policies...I’m sure you realise that.

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SneakyPete

I'm just here to point out the hypocrisy.

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liberty bell

Just pointing out that I didn’t make any comment on Loeffler’s politics. Just her hair. That much hair doesn’t look good on either side of the aisle.

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Dank Gehry

tim cook 2024. you heard it here first

Nov 10, 20 7:15 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

gross

1  · 
randomised

Why gross?

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Dank Gehry

Terry Gross 2024

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x-jla

Trump 2024. Jk jk lol

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randomised

Another 70+ year old in 2024, why not...

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Volunteer

Just thinking about FDR's Four Freedoms speech that were memoralized by Norman Rockwell. A lot of people, like the residents of Portland, OR, are going 0 for 4 these days. Nobody is going 4 for 4. They are The Freedom from Want, the Freedom of Speech, Freedom from Fear, and Freedom of Religion. Now we even have lists being draw up of people who support Trump, even including Supreme Court justices, for a pogrom to begin soon.  


Nov 11, 20 5:50 am  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Explain to me, you simp, whose religion is being infringed upon?

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square.

marx would especially like that first freedom.

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Volunteer

Well, B3, you might want to check with the members of the Temple Baptist Church in Greenville, Mississippi, who were fined $500 each for attending services in their cars in a parking lot. Or you could check in with the Jewish people in New York City who are being harassed by Governor Cuomo who is directly responsible for the deaths of 6,000 older Americans because of his nursing home policy.

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SneakyPete

Yeah. Trump has had it so rough during his life. And it's everyone else's fault. This country is going down the tubes. If only we'd get behind trump we'd be on the right path. God would love us, we'd be able to say whatever we want, we'd never have to worry about hunger or homelessness, and we'd go to bed secure and unafraid.

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x-jla

Only religion acceptable is the worship of the state.

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SneakyPete

Here's where I launch into a multiple post diatrabe about how NOBODY is saying that's good, LEAST OF ALL ME, and that I'm just pointing out that you're being HYPOCRITICAL etc etc etc. Don't worry about it making sense. That's not my job. I'm just here to POINT OUT THE HYPOCRACY ON BOTH SIDES!

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SneakyPete

But every moment you waste here, failing to convince anyone with your bullshit, is less money you make at work, which makes me feel like it's worth it. So carry on, you wasteful idiot.

2  · 
b3tadine[sutures]

Normally, you maga, I would be incredulous at your fundamental duplicitous behavior. A town, one town, early in the pandemic, fined a few people. The Feds backed the lawsuit, and the city later dropped the issue. The Mayor even said citizens wouldn't need to pay the fine. As for Cuomo and nursing homes, you're yet again woefully uninformed, and spewing shit. As for the Ultra Orthodox Jewish community, that is complex situation, one in which both of us lack the nuanced history, or language to grasp. I'll rely on the people on the ground, and not some Trumper.

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SneakyPete

And volunteer, you think people writing down lists of bad people is somehow new, somehow novel, and must be bad? Your myopia is self inflicted, and results from your tunnel vision. Everything you're afraid the left is doing has been going on for the last four years, and you can't see it because it's in your massive blind spots. I'm not surprised, because you're on my list of idiots to avoid listening to when they spew political opinions. Does my list make me unamerican?

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Volunteer

Some of these lists include federal judges and Supreme Court justices. Would you care to point out any Trump supporter that has made a similar list to target Democrats?

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x-jla

Are you referring to AOC and four horseman's list?

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square.

no need for lists- there are magas currently in jail because they attempted to kidnap and murder sitting governors.

1  · 
x-jla

Hopefully there is enough room for them, being that the thousands of looting and assaulting libs have been arrested.

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square.

again- where's your data?

AP finds most arrested in protests aren’t leftist radicals

https://apnews.com/article/vir...

Very few of those charged appear to be affiliated with highly organized extremist groups, and many are young suburban adults from the very neighborhoods Trump vows to protect from the violence in his reelection push to win support from the suburbs.

the right has cemented itself as the post-truth party.

lord help us all.

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x-jla

Where’s your data that those loons in MI were maga? The guys on video denouncing trump as a tyrant.

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square.

so you have no data or evidence regarding one of your favorite talking points.

good to know.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/...(too many trump talking points to count)

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tduds

Have you ever even been to Portland?

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x-jla

Do you have eyes? There are thousands of videos of looting, violence, fires, etc. don’t need my information be eaten and regurgitated into my mouth by that big bird looking Rachel Maddow for
it to be legit.

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tduds

"Would you care to point out any Trump supporter that has made a similar list to target Democrats?" 

Cesar Sayoc

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tduds

"Do you have eyes?" 

I do, they were in downtown Portland on Monday. I thought we weren't supposed to trust the narrative the media was pushing?

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tduds

i'M jUsT hErE tO pOiNt OuT HyPoCrIsY

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x-jla

I’m just saying, Biden wins, and no need for all that plywood.

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We literally went over this earlier in this thread when we pointed out that evidence was not supporting the theory that BLM protests were super spreader events while Trump's rallies and other conservative-attended events (like Sturgis) were. The main reasoning was that BLM people stayed outside and wore masks. At the other events that did spread COVID-19, people didn't wear masks in large numbers, and also congregated in bars, etc. 

This doesn't mean that the celebrations of Biden's victory won't be super spreader events, we'll have to wait and see what the science says, but if previous events are an indication ... these will likely not be large contributors if people remained outdoors, wore masks, and took other normal common sense precautions. 

Conservatives' denial of science is Darwinism in action.

1  · 
SneakyPete

People mad about thing #1: violence. Thing #1 ends: violence ends. Logic? Yes.

1  · 

As for lists and pogroms ... more hot air from both sides. Giving attention to it, aside to dismiss it as idiotic, is simply ridiculous.

2  · 
SneakyPete

It's a list of things to remember that happen to be names, not a kill list, not anything of import.

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tduds

"Biden wins, and no need for all that plywood." 

In other words, if the fascist wannabe-autocrat is removed from power there's no need to fight the fascist wannabe-autocrat. Duh.

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tduds

Very funny sentiment to express on Armistice Day.

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x-jla

“ evidence was not supporting the theory that BLM protests were super spreader events while Trump's rallies and other conservative-attended events (like Sturgis) were” according to the biased media. There is also no evidence that suggests that systemic racism is the cause of police shootings, but evidence isn’t needed for that claim, or that blacks are being disproportionately killed by police, contrary to fbi data that suggests this to be a great exaggeration of reality.

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x-jla

It’s funny how the left requires hard evidence for some things, and relies on emotion and anecdotes for other things.

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x-jla

HYPOCRISY!

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x-jla

^^^Health experts are extremely concerned by those irresponsible selfish super spreaders attending Biden events. Biden is killing folks! How irresponsible!

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x-jla

The double standards are very annoying and very obvious.

 · 
SneakyPete

Your double standards? Yes. I agree. They are.

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tduds

The idea that one cannot discuss a single topic without constantly addressing every other topic, however unrelated, is very annoying. It's possible, encouraged even, to criticize one person or group without defending another person or group. Your main function throughout this thread (and, dare I say, on Archinect as a whole) has been to derail criticism of one group by mis-construing it as - and then demanding an explanation of - a defense of their main opponent. Knock it off.

2  · 
tduds

Democrats don't need to be good for Republicans to be bad. The "left" doesn't need to be spotless for the "right" to be wrong. The fact that the lesser of two evils is still evil doesn't undo the fact that the greater of two evils is greater.

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SneakyPete

x-lax is what happens when you distill a troll who cut their teeth in the early 2000's. He's like the everclear of trolls: completely lacking in flavors (except the really nasty chemical ones) but, man, that shit is designed to get you all messed up.

1  · 
x-jla

We can’t have honest debate if the rules are selectively applied. I just want some consistency to the shit slinging. too much HIPPOcricy These days

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x-jla

Tduds, yes, and I can be happy that trump is out, and upset that Biden is in.

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tduds

Yes and, as I said, your insistence on shouting the latter everytime someone mentions the former is annoying.

3  · 

jla's evidence that the "biased media" said something about super spreader events is to pivot to opinion articles about police shootings written by someone with a book to sell on ... wait for it ... the war on cops making everyone less safe.

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SneakyPete

but but but

1  · 
b3tadine[sutures]

.

Nov 11, 20 6:41 am  · 
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x-jla
SneakyPete

Dog got smacked for shitting on carpet, HANDS ARE BAD!

1  · 

Loving how NPR is now constantly using phrases like "without presenting evidence" and "stated without proof" and "refusing to accept reality." That's called telling it like it is.

Nov 11, 20 10:44 am  · 
2  · 
randomised

So NPR got bored of politics and moved on to religion...

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Naw, they're just reporting the facts. I actually heard a newscaster on NPR say that something was 'untrue' and that someone else's comment was a 'lie'.

2  · 

"'There's a great human capacity for inventing things that aren't true about elections,' said Frank LaRose, a Republican who serves as Ohio's secretary of state. 'The conspiracy theories and rumors and all those things run rampant. For some reason, elections breed that type of mythology.'"

[...]

"Voting fraud in the United States is extremely rare. The irregularities that do occur are often inconsequential, isolated in nature, and unlikely to alter the outcome of an election. The most significant episode of election fraud over the past several years involved an alleged effort to manipulate ballots to benefit a Republican candidate for Congress in North Carolina, Mark Harris, in 2018. The scheme forced a new election and an operative who worked for Mr. Harris, L. McCrae Dowless, is under indictment. Mr. Harris was not charged with wrongdoing, and denied any role.

"In the case of the 2020 election, Mr. Biden's margins in the blue wall states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin are all in the tens of thousands. Even in Georgia, where Mr. Biden leads by more than 11,000 votes, it would be hard to uncover enough voting irregularities to change who won."

[...]

"Mr. Trump's attack on the election system this year has relied on either outright fabrication or gross exaggeration involving the sorts of small problems that typically come up in elections.

"In Ohio, for instance, Mr. LaRose said that while it was not unusual to discover a handful of improprieties in a statewide election, systemic fraud has not happened.

"'In the past, I've referred people to local prosecutors and the attorney general for noncitizens voting,' he said. 'It's like tens or dozons of people, not hundreds. There's no acceptable level of voter fraud and we take every one of those cases seriously.'"

The Times Called Officials in Every State: No Evidence of Voter Fraud

Not looking good for finding that evidence everyone (read jla and Volunteer) is desperately searching for to support the conspiracy theories.

Nov 11, 20 1:30 pm  · 
 · 
Volunteer

After his first election Trump was peppered with detailed policy questions and he fielded every single one as long as the press wanted to ask questions. Since this election (EIGHT days) Biden has been largely unavailable to the press and the questions Biden has been asked are like: "Did you enjoy your oatmeal this morning? Did you have the strawberries or the blueberries with it?"

Odd, you should quote the Ohio official. Trump won Ohio 53.4% to 45.2%.  

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square.

After his first election Trump was peppered with detailed policy questions

classic trump maga spin. the braincells continue to erode. provide quotes of these "answers," please. we're all still waiting on his healthcare plan, let alone a demonstration of a 5th-grade understanding of what healthcare is from trump

1  · 
randomised

I’m more interested in how Biden has his oatmeal to be honest. Am a banana, blueberry and raspberry guy myself.

3  · 
tduds

"Odd, you should quote the Ohio official. Trump won Ohio 53.4% to 45.2%." 

Why is this odd?

2  · 
SneakyPete

Because obviously you're a dogmatic, flaming lefty and therefore when you quote a republican it makes Volunteer short circuit.

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tduds

I just wanna hear him say it.

1  · 
SneakyPete

I hope he reboots successfully after the forced OS update on Nov. 3.

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Volunteer

Uh, because the Ohio vote was honest and there was no allegations of fraud there.

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SneakyPete

But if we are to root out possible fraud we should look everywhere. Do you have a problem with asking Ohio? Why do you have a problem looking for fraud in Ohio? Are you suggesting something?

2  · 
tduds

"The Times Called Officials in Every State" 

"Every State" includes Ohio.

"the Ohio vote was honest and there was no allegations of fraud there."

Also true for the other 49, based on the evidence above.

2  · 
b3tadine[sutures]

I volunteer, that Volunteer, is a lazy mf.

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b3tadine[sutures]

Trump, answering policy questions?

This guy?

Laughable to the extreme.


1  · 
b3tadine[sutures]

Is this week infrastructure week? Or are we paying for another trip to a fucking shitty golf course?

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I can quote more from the article ... 

"The accusations of fraud from the president and his allies were noticeably absent from states where Mr. Trump and his fellow Republicans did well.

"In South Carolina, for instance, the Republican incumbent, Senator Lindsey Graham, won relatively easily over Jaime Harrison, despite the fact that polls showed a tight race there. The South Carolina Election Board chairman John W. Wells said late Monday, 'I have not heard of any' substantive allegations of fraud in the state, though he added he would await a final determination in the certification and protest process

"Asked if Mr. Graham was concerned about the results in his state, a spokesman said the senator has 'discussed states where the margins are close' but invited South Carolina voters to step forward with any 'evidence of fraud or irregularities.' 

"Mr. Graham, a close ally of Mr. Trump, has taken up the president's cause. He asked the Department of Justice to investigate claims made in an affidavit the Trump campaign shared with him from a Postal Service worker in Erie, Pa. The worker made allegations of impropriety at the local Postal branch based largely on a conversation he said he overheard.

"Late Tuesday, the credibility of that affidavit came into question after the House Oversight Committee reported on Twitter that the worker recanted his story in discussions with the Postal Service's Office of Inspector General. The worker later denied he recanted in an online video."

1  · 

From another article about the recanting of the postal worker's claims ... 

"Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, who has urged Mr. Trump to continue to fight the results of the election, sent Mr. Hopkins's affidavit to reporters along with a statement that read in part: 'I will not allow credible allegations of voting irregularities or misconduct to be swept under the rug.' He later acknowledged in a television interview on Sunday that the claims he circulated were unverified."

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randomised

It’s so laughable those comparisons of political opponents with Hitler, like school kids drawing tiny moustaches in their text books...if people really thought Trump was Hitler they should kill him and not make stupid memes. The guy deserves a Nobel Peace Prize and maybe even re-election, just to spite people...

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The idea that Dems would engage in widespread voter fraud in enough states to swing the election, while also losing house races, and not gaining a majority in the Senate is laughable. But yeah, I guess the idea that there was only fraud that happened in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada makes a lot of sense if you don't think about it. Trump and his supporters are really good about not thinking.

4  · 
tduds

Many of the people who have compared Trump to Hitler are historians who study Hitler and elderly European immigrants who lived through his rise in the 30s. If you think the comparison is inaccurate feel free to provide an explanation.

2  · 
tduds

I think a major failure in American education is that we were taught about 1943 Hitler but not 1933 Hitler. Perhaps because a lot of people we were taught are "Great Americans" were suspiciously into 1933 Hitler.

Personally, I wouldn't say Trump is Hitler (He's way too dumb). But I will say that the people who currently support Trump, were they alive in 1930's Germany, would have supported Hitler. 

2  · 
b3tadine[sutures]

I was reading a pretty decent piece on National Socialism, Nazi, and the parallels are stunning. The one that stuck with me, aside from the obvious Nationalism, was the fact that Socialist part, wasn't for everyone, it was only for those that fit the narrative propagated by Agolf. That right there, in a nut shell, hits all the salient points about Agolf Twitler today. Only his people get Medicare, only his people get bail outs, only his people get mobility carts, only his people get $15 hour in Florida...

1  · 
SneakyPete

"The guy deserves a Nobel Peace Prize and maybe even re-election, just to spite people..."

Thank you for so saliently expressing why I don't think anything you say has any validity or merit.

3  · 
tduds

hearty chuckle at "Agolf Twitler"

1  · 
x-jla

Personally, I wouldn't say AOC is Stalin (She’s way too dumb). But I will say that the people who currently support AOC, were they alive in 1920's Russia, would have supported Stalin.

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x-jla

B3,

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x-jla

B3, all socialism leads to nationalism and xenophobia.

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SneakyPete

AOC is not dumb, any you know that, and you're trolling, and this is another example of why your opinions are worthless.

2  · 
x-jla

Yeah, she’s brilliant

1  · 
x-jla

Naive is more accurate term.

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tduds

Way to miss the point.

 · 
tduds

"Many of the people who have compared Trump to Hitler are historians who study Hitler and elderly European immigrants who lived through his rise in the 30s." In contrast, I highly doubt any Stalinist historians would do more than laugh dismissively at your trollish attempt to compare him to AOC.

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x-jla

Trump could be hitler, but he isn’t. He’s the kid that harms animals and starts fires...with the right mix of circumstances could have become the next Ted Bundy...but just ended up in some hr department making everyone’s life slightly more annoying

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x-jla

Jordan Peterson describes hitlers rise to power in a very interesting way. He was the “shadow” of the German people...it’s worth a listen even if you disagree with his politics, he’s psychoanalysis of Hitler was very terrifying and interesting

 · 
b3tadine[sutures]

Mic check on aisle dumbass. No one liked Stalin, Lenin was the brains, Stalin was in the right place, at the right time. Like Agolf Twitler.

1  · 
tduds

I could go into the differences - both subtle and glaring - between Stalinist theory, Leninist theory, Marxist theory, Socialist theory, Sino-Soviet Communism in practice, Nordic Democratic Soclialism in practice, and American "Democratic Socialism" in its nascent ascendance, but something tells me the nuance would be lost on the audience here.

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x-jla

Until you guys stop calling 1/2 the country racist and deplorable, and try to understand why they voted for trump, there will be no unity. The elite class outsourced their jobs, they saw their living standards decline, opioid addiction, etc...then the same elites who sold them out start lecturing them with woke shit, calling them privileged...then a con man comes along, comedically roasts the political elite, gives simplistic explanation for their problems, and promises to fight for them, etc. this isn’t rocket science. Bernie did this too, but not as effective from a branding and marketing standpoint. Trumps ability to distill the angst of the country into phrases like “maga” and his timing and humor was very effective. Yes he is a con

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x-jla

But we ought not blame those who fell for the con...

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SneakyPete

"Until you guys stop calling 1/2 the country racist and deplorable..." *SOURCES MISSING*

 · 
square.

*said no one as they only call-out xlax's bullshit*

 · 
square.

i totally agree with the fact that this election is as much on the democrats as people who chose to vote for trump. i'm willing to bet there is a large percentage of trump voters that feel so alienated by the democrat's corporatist policies that they see trump as the only option. i don't agree with, however, giving credence to the entirely bogus conspiracy that the election was rigged. this popular vote margin is set to be one of the largest ever, which is no small statement. the more time you spend parroting this complete garbage, the more you damage your credibility.

that being said- i still don't quite think you're a libertarian yet.


1  · 
x-jla

I didn’t say it WAS rigged, I said that fraud COULD have occurred. Similarly, when covid started media was quick to make claims that the virus didn’t start in a lab and write that off as a conspiracy without even investigating. It’s definitely could have started in a lab. If you don’t know, then don’t make claims that something didn’t happen. It’s not an outlandish claim based on track records of the government.

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x-jla

Compared to nazi Germany, the angst Of the German people was channeled too, As was it in Cambodia under pol pot, Rwanda, Stalin, etc. a charismatic con can lead an ordinary angsty population down a murderous path. That’s very scary, but it’s not unique to right wing politics, nazis, or maga types, It’s been happening throughout history.

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x-jla

The bigger the society,

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x-jla

the more centralized the power, the more dangerous people become.

 ·  2

"I said fraud COULD have occurred.

And I've said there COULD be teapot bears in space...

1  · 
BabbleBeautiful

x-jla: "B3, all socialism leads to nationalism and xenophobia."

WTF? Explain yourself.

 · 
tduds

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/art...

Nov 11, 20 2:59 pm  · 
1  · 

"How does a dead man cast a vote? How does anyone who is not a white male cast a vote? Because we’ve tried pretty hard to stop that, and it doesn’t seem to be working. Plus, dead people can walk through walls. We’re pretty sure that at his peak, Bob was casting 42,000 votes per second."

2  · 
x-jla

Anyone who is not a white male, and who is alive just goes and votes. Does a racial component need to be injected into every-single-thing.

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for jla

 · 
tduds

Ah yes, the old "Pointing out racism is the real racism" bit. Good one jla

1  · 
x-jla

No, but making everything about race is reductionist and lazy.

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tduds

Take it up with the white nationalists, then.

1  · 
x-jla

They are the dumbest and laziest of all

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randomised

Question that should perhaps be asked, do people dislike Trump so much that they think voter fraud is deemed acceptable? I mean, some people think of him as the reincarnation of Hitler, would you commit voter fraud to keep Hitler out of office? I would...

Here's to remind people of how rotten the Democratic establishment can be:

https://medium.com/the-jist/th...

Nov 11, 20 5:15 pm  · 
 · 
SneakyPete

No.

1  · 
b3tadine[sutures]

Correction: DNC Leadership in 2016.

2nd: These are private organizations, and they are not Constitutionally guaranteed. 

The Judge was correct; their grievance needs to be addressed by DemSoc taking over the party, and getting rid of the corrupt leadership. 

1  · 
tduds

"do people dislike Trump so much that they think voter fraud is deemed acceptable?" No.

Why do you think this is a question worth asking? No one* is making the case for this.

*I'm sure you could probably find some twitter rando with like 18 followers but let's agree that "No One" means no consensus with enough clout or momentum to matter.

1  · 
randomised

That judge was correct that their leadership is corrupt...it clearly shows a pattern, a pattern still relevant to this day. They do anything to get their preferred candidate elected, a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g that's what it shows...At least the Republicans had the decency to run a clean primary and to stand by their winning candidate, even if they in all honesty would have preferred anyone but Trump. Simply shows character, integrity and respect for the democratic process.

 ·  1
SneakyPete

... leadership is corrupt... it clearly shows a pattern, a pattern still relevant to this day. They do anything to get their preferred candidate elected, a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g that's what it shows...

1  · 
tduds

At least the Republicans had the decency to run a clean primary 

"In February 2019, the Republican National Committee voted to provide undivided support to Trump.[5][6] Several states canceled their primaries and caucuses.[7] Other states were encouraged to use "winner-takes-all" or "winner-takes-most" systems to award delegates instead of using proportional allocation."

I suppose you can't have a corrupt primary if you don't have one at all.

1  · 
square.

rando is just sore that his call for trump "easily winning" was way off, as usual, regarding anything related to american politics.

3  · 
b3tadine[sutures]

Um, as I recall, Bernie was able to have approval of leadership in the party.

 · 
Dank Gehry

I do, for sure. This guy dodges the draft and then shamelessly supports veterans

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randomised

Because veterans are simply victims of the American warmongering system...the sacrificial lambs in the hunger for world domination, so it makes total sense to dodge being drafted to kill innocent people across the globe and to also support the poor saps that actually had to go to fight in those dirty wars...they go hand in hand.

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sameolddoctor
Randomised, I’m sorry your old skool Euro (read white) centric worldview is not holding up in the US. We make mistakes here but also fix them when the time comes, in a big way. Also note that you are clutching at straws when the talk becomes that is the “corrupt DNC”.
Meanwhile, why do you care so much while sitting in your socialist utopia? You seemingly enjoyed your Trump reality show, it’s over for the time being...
Nov 12, 20 1:25 am  · 
1  · 
randomised

You make mistakes, sure and the world is paying for them...Really curious where Biden will invade next to ensure a Dem re-election. The world will pay for your domestic politics, with the blood and lives of innocent civilians. If that is a white euro centric world view so be it. And the Trump reality shit show, it’s just getting started...can’t wait to see what rabbit he will pull out of his maga cap next...

 ·  2
curtkram

We'Re GoInG tO iNvAdE NoRwAy!!11one! so dumb

 · 
square.

there might not be more physical invasions, but have no doubt the at-distance-wars have proliferated under trump. not sure yemen falls under your conscience-radar judging from your islamophobic comments, though.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

1  · 
BabbleBeautiful

Thanks for sharing square, I wasn't aware of this. At-distance-wars has been a trend since at least Obama administration, but in any case, this obviously tarnishes Trumps record on not being a (foreign) warmonger.

1  · 
x-jla

This countries main business is war. If we put this much money into creating things, I may not mind paying taxes as much...

2  · 
x-jla

“the at-distance-wars have proliferated under trump“. This is true

 · 
square.

certainly not exculpating the obama administration.. like you said the military-industrial project is real, and it will shape every president that sits in the office; to claim trump has done anything different and has been a "peaceful" president is laughable.

2  · 
Volunteer

No more US servicemen and women coming back from the Middle East horribly crippled or in body bags. Trump has been at odds with the Obama Generals since day 1 in trying to get our people home. He said that Bush's Iraq invasion was the worst decision the US has ever made. Not enough for you?

1  ·  2
square.

bernie said it first, trump followed but is the one still bombing people.

 · 
square.

not to mention trump's bungled response to the pandemic has helped killed more americans than all wars combined since vietnam, you partisan hack.

https://www.newsweek.com/coron...

 · 
BabbleBeautiful

- His fleeting opinion on the Iraq war is inconsequential. https://www.factcheck.org/2016...

- I don't differentiate between American body-bags and foreign body-bags. Civilian casualty is civilian casualty, human is human.

- Pulling out of a conflict you started or partake in is not that simple anymore.

1  · 
x-jla

I don’t buy the idea that trump is responsible for covid deaths. How exactly is this?

 · 
square.

result of a 10 second search. come on man.

Universal Mask Wearing Could Save Some 130,000 Lives In The U.S., Study Suggests

https://www.npr.org/sections/c...

even if you don't buy the fact that it would be possible to make every american wear a mask, or that the study is exaggerated, having a president who early on signaled the importance of wearing masks as soon as we knew that it dramatically curbed the effects of the virus, even assuming 50% of this, still would have saved more lives than all of those lost in wars since 2000.

 · 
tduds

I don’t buy the idea that trump isn't responsible for covid deaths. How exactly is this?

 · 
x-jla

Because he’s not your daddy. He’s the president. The president isn’t responsible for you not washing your hands or wearing a mask. That’s dumb.

 · 
x-jla

Fucking libs are looking for spiritual leaders and moral guidance from the president. “God is dead” either accept that or go to church. Stop trying to turn politicians into your life coach or priest

 ·  1

I'm not looking to the president to be my life coach or priest. I don't know anyone that does except the cult members Trump has following him. 

I am looking at the president to be an example, set public policy, and work with congress to properly fund the tools and resources necessary to effectively realize that policy. And if they can't do that, I expect them to accept the blame for it and not be xenophobic ... like a good chief executive should.

3  · 
tduds

The president is responsible for setting a coherent national policy or, at the *very* least, consistent guidance that follows public health recommendations. Global problems won't and can't be solved by individual actions.

1  · 
tduds

Again you need to invent a side that no one is on in order for your case to make sense.

1  · 
tduds

The current severity of the COVID pandemic in the United States is a policy failure. Full stop.

2  · 
randomised

“not to mention trump's bungled response to the pandemic has helped killed more americans than all wars combined since vietnam, you partisan hack. “

Obviously you only see the American lives lost, so typical...a real America First Maga Nationalist, only in Iraq there were that amount of civilians killed by your illegal American invasion!

 ·  1
SneakyPete

Easy for you to sit back and throw stones in your glass house, isn't it? When was the last time the Dutch tried to lead on the world stage? You're eager to throw stones from within your anti-muslim country. What you conveniently and disingenuously ignore is that the people you're attacking on this forum do not support wars. You know this, you ignore this, and you lie about this because it makes you feel good, makes you feel right, and makes you feel better than. Your blind spots are glaring, they're obvious, and you sound like a fool.

1  · 
square.

rando, i was specifically replying to vol's comment amount american soldiers, but preceded this with a critical article about the disastrous american policy in yemen. (though this proved my point about you disregarding another muslim country....)

you're being incredibly lazy here; i know you can do better..

 · 
randomised

Here’s a thought...Maybe just stop trying so hard to lead...and trade blood for oil!

 · 
SneakyPete

Easy for you to say as you sit back and enjoy the EU protections and privelages you didn't earn.

 · 
tduds

"When was the last time the Dutch tried to lead on the world stage?"

I'll give you a hint it didn't go so well for the Indonesians.

1  · 
randomised

That was not leading on a world stage and it actually went very well for the Indonesians, they’re independent you know...but great digging, gold sticker for effort!

 · 
randomised

SP what do you mean we didn’t earn those? We did earn them, paid with our blood and sacrifice and subsequent US occupation (you seem to call it liberation)...Was hoping you finally buggered off of the world stage and retreat back to your continent, but no, still didn’t get that memo: have to interfere almost anywhere in the world where something can be taken, stolen or sold...no wonder you are all so into Veterans Day supporting your troops, the occupying forces, celebrating the suffering of billions of people for cheap gas at the pump etc. You are all about America First, never met a more nationalistic militaristic bunch of people, killing your own and anyone else that suits you, that’s why Trump had to go, he stood up against that...

 · 
randomised

square, islamophobia is what Islamic fundamentalists refer to when they feel there are offenses commuted against their ideology that must be addressed through censorship or death, the usual, plenty of recent examples of that unfortunately. It was ayatollah Khomeini by the way that coined the term when he actually said that women who don’t wear a veil are islamophobic...Why do you brand me as islamophobic when I protest about the (mostly islamic) civilians being killed by your American armies, shouldn’t I be cheering according to your “logic”?

 · 
x-jla

Someone recently said something to the effect of....”Biden isn’t a Trojan horse for AOC, he’s a Trojan horse for Dick Cheney”

 · 
x-jla

Forgot where I heard that, but it’s probably true....Cheney types anyway

 · 

I heard that Trump was a Trojan horse for white nationalist types. Forgot where I heard that, but it's probably true. I'm sure someone has said it.

 · 
x-jla

Fake news

1  · 
SneakyPete

Dunno who the fuck you're talking about when you say 'you' up there little dutch boy, but it sure as shit ain't me. So unless you want to be painted with the same wide brush you love to use, fuck right off. When I say you I mean YOU. Rando. When you say 'you' you mean some imaginary monolith you pretend is the entire populace of a country. Ignorant ass.

 · 
randomised

if [your] shoe fits...

 · 
randomised

"Forgot where I heard that, but it’s probably true....Cheney types anyway"

Like Cheney's daughter...

 · 
BabbleBeautiful

...

Nov 12, 20 11:35 am  · 
1  · 
x-jla

what about the idea of being able to allocate your taxes to where you want them to go?  Military, infrastructure, science, NASA, nation parks, entitlements, etc



Nov 12, 20 11:54 am  · 
 · 

You mean like with elections?

1  · 
Dank Gehry

yes, it's called representative democracy

 · 
SneakyPete

I think he means chaos. Also, if you choose where they go, isn't that like forced charity (aka welfare)?

 · 
BabbleBeautiful

I think he means tax allocation mandated at the individual level...

 · 
BabbleBeautiful

Ah, lost my edit...

Play it out and see what comes of it. It'll test your understanding/perspective of the system and human nature.

 · 
SneakyPete

So I could state that 100% of my federal taxes go to Social Security? I could state that my local taxes have to be spent on the road I live on? My State taxes MUST be spent on state parks? Yeah, let it play out. I'm sure it's as perfect as all of JLA's other ideas.

 · 
BabbleBeautiful

It can be a fun exercise nevertheless

 · 
tduds

My taxes are lower than even the tiniest government budget line item, so I can just pretend my entire contribution is going to one specific thing, I suppose.

 · 

All my taxes are going to hookers and casino's then.

1  · 

Why not just get rid of taxes and let the philanthropists donate for new roads and bridges for naming rights? Super PACs will move from funding campaigns to funding wars and drone strikes to push their corporate donors' agendas overseas. Small dollar donations from the Bernie people will attempt to rebuild some broken infrastructure but it would largely be regressive as the people most likely to donate for that would be the ones with the least ability to do so. In the meantime, the neighborhoods like the one with the gun-toting MAGAs in St. Louis will become their own little walled off enclaves. Where do I sign up?

 · 
x-jla

I’m talking about federal taxes, and being able to direct them towards certain federal services. Lower taxes to a 10% flat tax, and then let the payers allocate their funds to where they want, like you know, democracy.

 · 
x-jla

“ gun-toting MAGAs in St. LouiS”. You mean the people defending themselves from a rabid mob?

 ·  2
SneakyPete

EA, that's where we're headed. Public private partnerships are a taste of the future. The private partner spends the money to do a shitty (but pretty, and low bid!) job, then extracts the value through depreciation, tolls, and deferred maintenance, then turns the decaying husk over to the public! Everyone wins! And then, when the public complains, they pivot to claiming they'd do better IF ONLY THEY OWNED IT FOREVER.

1  · 
x-jla

Maybe the problem then is that the top 1% pays 50% of the taxes, so obviously they have the pull. Look at nyc.

 ·  1
x-jla

Also, why shouldn’t an accomplished attorney or doctor be allowed to live in an enclave?

 · 

They already do. Your plan would just do that more and on steroids.

1  · 

While we're dreaming ... maybe if the top 1% just paid their taxes and shut up about it instead of coercing the politicians to do their bidding through campaign donations, things would be better.

 · 
x-jla

“Pay and shut up”. Sounds more like extortion

 · 
tduds

If the people with 90% of the wealth pay 50% of the taxes I'd say they're under taxed. Nevermind that your "statistic" is not true.

 · 
tduds

It's the Price of Admission. The luxury boxes cost more than the bleachers, even if we're watching the same game.

 · 
tduds

We've definitely had this exact conversation before. Probably several times. Do you have memory issues?

 · 
x-jla

Our military industrial complex is being fed by taxation. Most Americans would not choose to use taxes to for corporate subsidies that poison the earth and gobble up small businesses. The tax system is the biggest problem, and the libs have been tricked into believing that taxation in and of itself is like holy rite. More is better.

 · 
tduds

No they haven't. The right has been tricked into believing that taxation in and of itself is evil, and we're living with the consequence of 40+ years of policy decisions made under the Norquist Doctrine. Liberals just want a course correction.

 · 
x-jla

Taxation under the threat of prison is extortion. Like I’ve said, sales taxation is fine, because it’s voluntary and baked into the transaction, but income taxation is not. The least we can ask for is some ability to steer our taxes towards things that we want to spend them on. It would be an interesting experiment, even if we did a mock study to see how the pie chart would change if people had this freedom.

 · 
SneakyPete

You're changing the subject, as per your usual tactics.

1  · 
x-jla

Not a tactic, just ADD

 · 
x-jla

Oh yeah, deciding where taxes go...why again should we have no say?

 · 
SneakyPete

Oh, cool. ADD. Excuse number ... I've lost count.

 · 

You do have a say when you vote. Maybe you feel like you have no say, but that's only because you back candidates with no shot at ever winning.

2  · 
square.

BURN

 · 

Also, you have a say whether your candidate wins or not. Your elected representatives represent you regardless, and you can petition them for redress of grievances. The issue is that without the money to amplify your petition, they don't listen to you.

1  · 
SneakyPete

Money in politics is a real problem. We're at a point where trying to close the barn door is ignoring the fact that the barn no longer exists. It was burned down, the fire marshal paid to look the other way, and the horses sold for dog food decades ago. I've thought about how we might make elections less reliant on massive amounts of money buying influence (regardless of intent) and everything I think of can easily be thwarted by bottomless pockets.

 · 

To be serious though. Allowing people to decide what their tax money funds is a horrible idea. People are not capable of thinking beyond their own self interests and desires. American's response to COVID regulations has show this.

1  · 
x-jla

Publicly funded elections?

1  · 
x-jla

My money would go mostly to national parks, NASA, research, health care for people who can’t afford it. Not sure how you could be selfish with the money. I’m taking about giving general categories to choose from.

 · 
SneakyPete

Publicly funded elections, sure. So we'd need to ban all adverts, investments, and public support for candidates? Or can a millionaire use their own money as well? Can a candidate use private funding to augment it? Sounds like a big government solution would be required if we didn't want to cement our oligarchy to me.

2  · 

Suggest people should be able to direct tax dollars to certain programs ... suggest publicly funded elections ... irony.

 · 
x-jla

EA, Id say remove all private money from politics. Each voting age person pays 10$ a year, in 4 years that’s like 10billion dollars. Make it happen for 10 billion.

 · 
x-jla

Free market maybe has its limits, politics is one thing that should be outside of that sphere.

 · 
x-jla

This it 2020, podcasts, Internet, etc. so many inexpensive ways to get message out. Don’t need tv ads and bs.

 · 

Oh, so a poll tax. Tell the 6-3 conservative majority in the Supreme Court to get to work on overturning those precedents.

 · 
x-jla

Yeah, if that’s what you want to call it. I like “voting registration fee” better. 10$ a year, Everyone can afford that.

 · 

... also that pesky 24th Amendment. Not sure how they're going to rule that unconstitutional if it's part of the constitution. 

On a related note, do you just stop reading after the 2nd Amendment?

 · 
x-jla

Elections are stupid. 51% of the country likes something so 49% have to be miserable for 4 years.

 · 
x-jla

Directly being able to allocate taxes may better reflect the will of the people.

 · 

Welcome to democracy. Where have you been this whole time?

1  · 
randomised

"Directly being able to allocate taxes may better reflect the will of the people." 

No that will only mean even worse facilities and infrastructure in areas where people don't pay that many taxes.

 · 
x-jla

I said federal taxes, and general categories like research, infrastructure, military, National parks etc. not saying “the road down the block, the school across the street” lol

1  · 

My god x-jla - your idea really went off the rails once you started defending it.

 · 

The funny thing is, it's not all that out there, jla just hasn't done his homework (as per the usual). A few minutes on wikipedia and he'd have a lot more information ... enough to sound smart in this forum. 

There are some Nobel Prize winning economists that would help him develop and/or support his idea. There have even been some bills introduced in congress in recent-ish years to do, in part, what he's suggesting. 

I've written and reviewed some research grant proposals in the past and this is the type of thing where if jla was writing a grant proposal to further his research, it would get rejected pretty quickly because he hasn't even done enough research to get started. This is usually evident to anyone with a background in the research area because he can't even support his ideas with well-known writings, references, or research. He thinks he's come up with something novel, and so hasn't even tried to see if anyone else has thought of it before.

 · 

^Ironically, many of them are libertarians and should be well-known to anyone who knew more about libertarianism, the free-market, and small government.

Where's b3ta and square. to question jla's libertarianism?

 · 
x-jla

Oh, I didn’t know that I needed to write a thesis in order to have an idea. Problem with libs, they don’t think from first principles.

 · 
x-jla

“Change tax policy” Lib: citations! Citations! Phleeease you racist!.. “defund the police” Lib: yeeahhh woohoo 100%%%

 · 
x-jla

Research is only required when a liberal narrative is challenged. For the most ludicrous ideas that follow the Lib script, like for instance letting kids get gender reassignment surgery, any research that opposes the narrative is shunned and called —-fill in the blank...

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tduds

Problem with simpletons, they use the word "Lib" in a nonironic derisive manner.

 · 

I never said you needed to write a thesis. I'm just saying it's pretty apparent you had an idea, thought it was unique, threw it up on the internet, and got steamrolled because you didn't go beyond the initial thought. That's fine and all, but if you don't want to look so dumb, you might want to do some additional homework. 

If I was throwing out the idea that we should defund the police, I'd caution myself to do the same. Thing is, I'm not putting forth that idea as my own. If you want to see the ideas I've put out there as my own, you can look at my blog

In the meantime, I'll gladly call out stupidity on both sides.

1  · 
tduds

There are plenty of studies that demonstrate the societal benefits of reallocating police funding and plenty of studies that demonstrate the psychological benefits of gender affirming therapy / hormone treatment (not surgery, as this is largely a thing invented by the right with no basis in science or reality), but last time I posted a study you decided to claim the entire universe of academic journalism is bunk, so... whatever. Keep sayin' dumb shit.

 · 
tduds

Really fucking tired of the "independent free thinker" who only bothers to criticize progressives (with the occasional "Don't get me wrong I'm happy Trump is out" plausible deniability token) and consistently regurgitates ideas suspiciously similar to Fox / Breitbart / Alt-Right screeds.

 · 
x-jla

I’m not putting forth the idea “as my own” either, whatever that mean.

 · 

For it not being your own idea, you seem to defend it and elaborate on it a lot with phrases like, 

  • "I'm talking about ..." 
  • "I'm taking [sic] about ..." 
  • "Id [sic] say ..." 
  • "I like ..." 
  • "I said ..." 

But whatever, if it's not your own idea, who's idea is it? Care to cite your sources?

 · 
x-jla

tduds, because many of the ideas on the left are ridiculous, ahistorical, and illogical, so of course the critics in media will point the same flaws out, as one could uncover through basic reasoning and critical thinking. I don’t really care what some ivy tower twirp thinks about defunding the police. Every single actual person that lives in an actual high crime area will tell you that it’s a bad fucking idea. Talk about white privilege.

 ·  1
x-jla

So for example, you’ll cite some obscure paper, I an appeal to authority, when convenient, but will then deny clear fucking medical science, around statements like “transwomen shouldn’t compete in women’s mma”. The idea of having to cite a source to know an obvious truth,

 · 
x-jla

The idea of having to cite a source to say an obvious truth, is a way to shut down conversation...

 · 

You're still using "appeal to authority" incorrectly. I could give you references, but apparently those aren't important anymore.

Also, "transwomen shouldn't compete in women's mma," isn't a statement of medical science. It's a rules decision by the sport's governing body.

1  · 
x-jla

You’re missing the point as usual.

 · 
square.

you truly live in an alternate reality

 · 
x-jla

You live in an alternative reality, where as Bill Maher said, “silence is violence but looting is not violence”. You blindly accept beliefs of the left as unquestionable truths, and reject beliefs of the right as blasphemous. The religion of wokeness is basically as dumb and absent of reasoning as QAnon. Tduds asks, why I criticize the left more, it’s because they are far more sanctimonious lately, and it’s annoying.

 · 
square.

i'm not sure who you're talking about, but you know little about me, and the fact that you think you do demonstrates how much you invent narratives to fit your biased perspective. to prove your "argument," please find an example of when i posted something remotely claiming that looting is not only not violence, but permissible.

on the other hand, both the amount and length of your posts paints a pretty clear picture of the delusional world view you inhabit (e.g. i have posted one joke on this particular thread, and you have posted .25+ ramblings)

all of this amount to not a substantial critique of the left, but a paranoid alternative reality that you continually re-construct.

 · 
tduds

It's very funny the amount of stuff you just made up to claim that it is I who lives in an alternative reality.

1  · 
lower.case.yao

So can we all agree YangGang 2024?

Nov 12, 20 12:03 pm  · 
1  ·  1
SneakyPete

No .

3  · 
square.

hard pass- i've seen enough from technocratic silicon valley saviors.

 · 
tduds

I'll backhand slap anyone who mentions the 2024 election before 2023.

2  · 
lower.case.yao

Why not Yang? He’s the only one talking about the plight of middle America and Trumpism as a symptom.

 · 
square.

why not 2028?

 · 
sameolddoctor

When I hear Yang's ideas all I can say is "cool story bro"

1  · 
x-jla

Yang Amash 2024.

 · 
lower.case.yao

It’s an open secret that Biden’s a one-term president. His “transitional” presidency will allow other nominees a chance to get their feet wet in politics and run.

 · 
SneakyPete

Ok, cool. But still a hard pass on the technocrat.

2  · 
lower.case.yao

Not sure where this technocrat moniker's coming from. He's a lawyer that founded a hugely beneficial non-profit for emerging businesses, among other entrepreneurial enterprises.

 · 
sameolddoctor

I think he should give me $1000 per month for 4 years, and then I will take him seriously.

 · 
x-jla

He did that already.

 · 
tduds

Y'all must really want a slap.

 · 
x-jla

Trump | Trump jr. 2024

 · 
x-jla

That would be funny to make a fake campaign poster and send it to my liberal friends

 · 
x-jla

Melania Trump / Tutar Sagdiyev 2028

 · 
SneakyPete

Being a complete asshole to my friends is funny | x-lax 2024

2  · 
x-jla

For real,

 · 
x-jla

anyone know who Tutar is? If not, you need to see the new Borat. It’s great

 · 
square.

Not sure where this technocrat moniker's coming from

"lawyer" "founded" "emerging" "entrepreneurial" "enterprise"

1  · 
x-jla

All good words^.

 · 
randomised

Trump / Trump jr ‘24? That would mean a third term ;-)

1  ·  1
x-jla

Your gonna give them an aneurism random.

 · 
tduds

For self-described Freedom Lovers y'all seem to really love monarchy ;)

 · 
x-jla

It’s called a joke

 · 
randomised

Actually, according to the freedom index by The Economist the United States is a 'flawed democracy' and all those monarchies (incl. Canada, Australia, New Zealand) of Europe are actually full democracies! Our freedom of the press, according to Reporters Without Borders is a whopping 'good situation', yours only a meagre 'satisfactory'...so yeah, freedom lovers should come live in a European-style monarchy ;-P

 · 
tduds

I ALSO MAKE JOKE

2  · 
randomised

I saw he smiley!

1  · 
Volunteer

I entered the simple term 'voter fraud' on Google and got the first thirty articles saying how there was no voter fraud in the 2020 elections and that Trump was endangering us all by demanding an investigation. I then went to the absurdly named 'DuckDuckGo' search engine and their first thirty articles on 'voter fraud' were about a 50-50 split between the Trump and Biden points of view. I always though the engines just listed the most popular articles on any subject in order of the number of times they were previously accessed. The user is perfectly capable of reading the articles and making up his own mind.This is bald censorship on the part of Google. 

Nov 13, 20 3:44 pm  · 
 · 
curtkram

that is not at all how search engine algorithms work. in this case, it's possible people who use duck duck go are more inclined to believe in deep state conspiracies and qanon type stuff. that's why they're using that service instead of google - they think google is a left wing deep state conspiracy. also, google searches are often going to be personalized to your own search history, so you aren't always going to get the same results as me.

2  · 
tduds

"The user is perfectly capable of reading the articles and making up his own mind." You'd think that, but... *looks around*

4  · 
x-jla

The Dems are the big Tech oligarchs.

 · 
tduds

LOLigarchs

1  · 
x-jla

Big tech are the oligarchs of the Dems.

 · 
Dank Gehry

jumping to conclusions you are. and no need to insult bald people.

 · 
ShakeyDeal

I think you meant to say "...a 50-50 split between the official election projects and Trump's denial of them."

 · 
Volunteer

If Google was giving me 'personalized' search results according to some pack of information they have on me why wouldn't they reference the pro-Trump articles instead of sending me the articles universally favorable to Biden?

 · 
randomised

the url's say it all

 · 
x-jla

The CCP and google are bff’s. Foreign collusion on a scale far greater than Russian interference in 2016.

 · 
BabbleBeautiful

Morning. The piece by Epstein is a good read. I can't take the other two seriously, however. One is written by Trump's campaign manager. Not that I would dismiss him entirely just because of that fact, but I can't help but see it as biased. The other uses two examples to make a grand statement, eg. cherry picking. It's too easy to cherry pick to make a point and is a problem with op-ed's in general.

So, my (rhetorical) question to you or anyone is that if you believe google is deliberately editing/filtering/censoring, what do you do about it? One answer is to course-correct how one goes about searching for information and/or does their due-diligence. 

 · 
SneakyPete

Book plot: America descends into civil war and, at the end, the big tech companies are sovereign nations.

 · 
BabbleBeautiful

Didn't someone recently suggest a technocracy?

 · 
x-jla

And just like that, big corporations are
A-OK

 · 
SneakyPete

Hey dumb-ass, nobody fucking said that. You're making shit up again.

2  · 
Dank Gehry

the real question is who's hotter, AOC or Sarah Palin

Nov 13, 20 7:28 pm  · 
 · 
sameolddoctor

AOC mos def

 · 
Dank Gehry

I don't know if I could handle the stress

 · 
x-jla

AOC

 · 
Dank Gehry

thiz is great


Nov 13, 20 9:48 pm  · 
3  · 
Volunteer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

What a hoot.

Nov 16, 20 6:53 am  · 
 ·  4
b3tadine[sutures]

Jawn

 · 
b3tadine[sutures]

What's a hoot is that you're likely a "professional" representing supposedly "real" humans, and you mistake this for something that Trumpers were doing this entire year. Now, at first, I thought this might be a deep-fake, but the truth of the matter, and the thing that has me concerned for your "clients" is the fact that you lack any discernable intelligence, or ability to understand context. Why not try harder, you fucking muppet.

 · 
Volunteer

Another hoot was Biden bragging about getting a Ukranian investigaator fired by threatening to withold a billion dollars of US Congressionaly-approved aid if they didn't sack they guy that was looking into a Hunter Biden deal. Have we discussed the one and one-half billion dollar Chinese hedge fund deal Hunter is involved with? Hunter and Pops both should be in federal prison.

 ·  1
b3tadine[sutures]

Wow, you are touched, aren't you. It's as though you don't think most people don't understand time lines?

Here, I got these for you;


1  · 
sameolddoctor

Volunteer, if you are posting videos made by crooks as these, I really feel sorry for you and the people that have to deal with you on a daily basis. That other crock of shit regarding Biden's assets in China has also been disproven roundly. You Trumpers are seriously clutching at straws (lol)

 · 
x-jla

If you don’t think Biden’s pull as VP had anything to do with the ridiculous money he’s made in Ukraine then you must not know too many crackheads. But that’s ok with you guys, nothing to see, he’s on the blue team.

 ·  1
x-jla

Acceptable corruption if certain people do it. Acceptable violence if certain people do it. Acceptable irresponsible behavior in a pandemic if certain people do it....and on and on..,

 · 
sameolddoctor

Jla, theres absolutely no proof about any of these allegations. They have all been investigated, and nothing came up. Sorry.

1  · 
SneakyPete

Acceptable requirements for proof backing up arguments if certain people make them. And so on.

1  · 
square.

If you don’t think Biden’s pull as VP had anything to do with the ridiculous money he’s made in Ukraine

please provide, and this is key, factual evidence of this claim. biden's tax returns, and every other reputable source, suggest otherwise.

https://www.politifact.com/fac...

there's really no other way to say this- the fact that you believe that biden made money in ukraine is just pure stupidity, and why it's impossible to have an intelligent debate with you. i'm all about debating biden's real, actual flaws- there's alot not to like. but you continually rely on bogus conspiracy theories or abstractions about the boogeyman left that, while might be based one one anecdote, have nothing to do with broader reality.

as long as you keep rolling around in the shit, you'll be x-lax.

 · 
sameolddoctor

Exactly. And to hear these stupid allegations come from the people that were OK not seeing the president's tax returns for 4 years is quite astounding. Haters gotta hate, I guess.

1  · 
x-jla

Lol. Hunter Biden has made lots of money. Where’s the proof for the waste of tax money Trump Russia probe? I want my taxes back. Based on a fake dossier. And then the libtard Hollywood elite make a movie about the crooked shifty agent. Nahhh no bias

 · 
x-jla

Crackheads without VP dads stick to squeegeeing windows, not getting 50k a month from Ukrainian energy companies

 · 
square.

Lol. Hunter Biden has made lots of money

i see what you did there. not clever.

1  · 
tduds

That's why I didn't vote for Hunter Biden.

4  · 
square.

"look, i SWEAR i don't like trump, i'm just saying THE LEFTTT"

1  · 
tduds

Few things more exhausting than watching someone so willfully oblivious to their own bias harp on ad nauseum about bias.

At least volunteer has the fortitude to be openly authoritarian. 

5  ·  1
square.

between this and the "aoc is hotter" comment, i'm particularly exasperated today.

 · 
x-jla

^Why, Palin fan?

 · 
x-jla

Tduds, I’m not ok with trump or Biden, why is this so hard for you to understand? It’s just perplexing how someone can not see the complete bs good guy bad guy narrative being used by the Dems. You think lesser of two evils, I think two sides of same coin. Trump was shitty on some things, Obama on other things. I don’t see that much of a difference in substance...big difference in style, but not substance imo

 ·  2
x-jla

Square, are you denying that hunter Biden made 50k a month from a Ukrainian energy company?

 ·  2
x-jla

While his dad was in office?

 · 
x-jla

I have concrete proof the Joe helped him, but it’s pretty obvious that one doesn’t get such a gig, without experience in energy, if their Dad works at jiffy lube.

 · 
x-jla

*i don’t have concrete proof...,

 · 
square.

*i don’t have concrete proof...,

i've seen enough.

3  · 
SneakyPete

x-lax, do you think you have a net positive effect on the world?

 · 
SneakyPete

do you think it matters?

 · 
SneakyPete

will you ever fucking learn to use the edit comment feature?

2  · 
SneakyPete

at any point?

3  · 
SneakyPete

do you enjoy being sand in the shoe of people better and smarter than you?

3  · 
SneakyPete

do you ever look in the mirror and think anything other than positive thoughts?

1  · 
SneakyPete

Does this cavalcade of text annoy you as much as your continued drips and drabs of antagonistic, puerile, and ultimately futile typing annoys me?

4  · 
SneakyPete

I'm just asking the question.

1  · 
sameolddoctor

Its even more amazing that jlax is all about Hunter Biden making 50k a month for having a real job and position, while completely neglecting that the WHOLE trump clan of meat puppets like Ivanka and Kushner, without having any roles would be dictating policy and have likely embezzled billions from Saudi and other countries.

3  · 
SneakyPete

Stop acting like x-lax cares about facts, cares about your views, cares about debate, cares about dialogue, cares about anything except typing his own thoughts. He's a tagger spray painting over graffiti art. He's a "restorer" making art into potato faces. He's a primate flinging feces. He has no intention of adding to his own knowledge through the discourse, he's trolling us all, and if we continue to engage this will never end.

2  · 
x-jla

Why are you defending hunter Biden? Do you have proof that he’s not a crook?

 · 
x-jla

Trumps offspring are vile creatures that have likely made billions while trump was in office, but we are talking about Biden now, I’ll talk about trump with trumpsters...rn I’m talking to biden apologists though.

 · 
SneakyPete

tRuMpS OfFsPrInG ArE ViLe cReAtUrEs tHaT HaVe lIkElY MaDe bIlLiOnS WhIlE TrUmP WaS In oFfIcE, bUt wE ArE TaLkInG AbOuT BiDeN NoW, i’lL TaLk aBoUt tRuMp wItH TrUmPsTeRs...rN I’M TaLkInG To bIdEn aPoLoGiStS ThOuGh.

2  · 

Volunteer and gwharton are here if you want to talk about Trump with them. Volunteer is the one who actually posted the comment you're replying to, so you should have chimed in with your ramblings about Trump's offspring, but you won't because you're a Trump apologist.

3  · 
tduds

"Tduds, I’m not ok with trump or Biden, why is this so hard for you to understand?" 

Because the things you primarily harp on in this and other threads are, like I said above, suspiciously aligned with far-right wing conspiracies and Fox Talking Head propaganda.

4  · 
tduds

I pay less attention to the specific things you say and more to the topics that set you off and, despite your high & mighty rhetoric, you mostly show up to bitch about Democrats and only nod to also disapproving of Republicans when called out on it.

Of course everyone is biased, you just seem a bit less aware of yours, which makes your constant insistence that others acknowledge our biases more than a bit rich.

2  · 
b3tadine[sutures]

The Devils Advocate game is played better, by lesser people.

 · 
tduds

I'm just tellin' you how you look to the people reading what you say. If you're cool with that, keep going. If not, maybe think about why you're perceived that way.

 · 

I wouldn't hold out hope for change there tduds. He won't even attempt a minimum of effort in researching his ideas before posting them in order to sound smart. I doubt he really cares to sound unbiased.

3  · 
tduds

The Devil has enough advocates. We need more angels' advocates.

3  · 
x-jla

Hunter Biden isn’t an angel

 · 
tduds

In all honesty I just can't bring myself to give a shit about this drummed up Hunter Biden controversy. Just for starters I've yet to hear anyone cogently explain why it's even a controversy (without resorting to exaggerations or outright falsehoods). There are so many bigger problems more worthy of my, and your, time.

1  · 
x-jla

You are stuck in this idea that saying something bad against Biden is equal to saying something good about trump. That’s dumb. It’s like y’all just got out of an abusive relationship with Trump, and now you’ve found a new semi shitty boyfriend who you think is fucking mr perfect.

 · 
SneakyPete

Hunter Biden kills puppies.

1  · 
SneakyPete

Joe Biden is perfect.

1  · 
tduds

Nope.

 · 
x-jla

Tduds, because it’s run of the mill corruption. Nothing different from what politicians have been doing for years. That’s exactly why it’s a big deal. The urgency to remove one shmuck, only to replace him with another. I’m not saying that they are equal. Trump is worse on several fronts, but the idea of celebrating a return to the same old bs is mind boggling. This lesser of two evils game keeps inching in the obvious direction.

 · 
SneakyPete

You have people that are very fine people on both sides.

1  · 
tduds

"the idea of celebrating a return to the same old bs" 

Very few people are celebrating this part.

2  · 
SneakyPete

Amazing how the last four years made even the status quo of neoliberalism palatable in contrast. But "yay, we don't have to eat another meal made entirely of feces, instead we get stale bread and flat beer" isn't a celebration. But you knew that and, as ALWAYS, are being a disingenuous prick.

4  · 
tduds

What jla thinks I'm feeling: "...now you’ve found a new semi shitty boyfriend who you think is fucking mr perfect." 

What I'm actually feeling : https://reductress.com/post/im-voting-for-joe-biden-because-i-want-to-hate-the-president-a-normal-amount/

3  · 
x-jla

Ok, fair enough.

2  · 
tduds

I'll take it!

2  · 
tduds

This thread:

Everybody Stopped

Nov 17, 20 1:14 pm  · 
5  · 
randomised

That’s not a mouse on the desk there.

 · 

Interesting how all the people in this thread who've been complaining about possible election fraud this whole time are suddenly nowhere to be found when the Georgia Secretary of State starts claiming that Lindsey Graham suggested he throw out legally cast ballots in a recent phone call.

Nov 17, 20 2:24 pm  · 
2  · 
x-jla

This is the first I’ve heard about it...but Interesting how you believe this particular voter fraud allegation without “proof”.

 ·  1
SneakyPete

Interesting how you assume EA believes this particular voter fraud allegation without “proof"

2  · 
x-jla

It could be true just like the others allegations.

 · 
x-jla

You are all the ones insisting that voter fraud is far fetched. I wasn’t saying it did occur, just saying that it could have occurred. There are very very powerful foreign actors who want trump out of office so that they can keep their silly little global order. China is definitely one part of that. Nothing is a greater threat to that than the wave of nationalism and isolationist policy that’s taken root around the world.

 ·  1
randomised

A legally cast ballot by the right person can still be thrown out if the signature doesn’t match, no?

 · 
randomised

Just “Blame Canada”...the Dominion Company that made some of the vote counting machines used is Canadian, but the Canadians don’t even trust them to count their own votes...

 · 
SneakyPete

I'm not saying x-lax IS a broken robot sent here by a toilet in the the future through a wormhole found in the sewer, just saying that they COULD be.

1  · 
randomised

They?

 · 
b3tadine[sutures]

Let me get this straight, the dummy is onto the "Wuhan Vote" now?

 · 
BabbleBeautiful

While anything within the confines of our imagination is possible, if there was large-scale, coordinated voter fraud where it could flip the election I, and many others, would completely lose trust in our system which would influence generations to come. I don't think the US can afford this and would empower authoritarian-style leadership.

 · 
BabbleBeautiful

Edit: My point is... x-jla, if you can imagine this level of voter fraud is a possibility within our system can you also imagine the repercussions this would have? 

This question goes to anyone who genuinely believes in the possibility of this level of fraud.

 · 

That jla hasn't heard about this is more evidence that he gets his news in a right-wing bubble. To the question of whether I believe this particular allegation ... I have no reason to doubt it, but there's nothing there to go from. At most it was a suggestion that Graham is now denying. The Georgia SoS isn't going along with it, even if he were even able to ... so it's really a nothing burger unless you can prove the suggestion. At this point, it's just one man's word against another's. 

My point is that for all the people clamoring that there COULD have been fraud, this was probably the most damning, and would potentially have the largest, and most lasting effect had the Georgia SoS went along with it. The implication is that if Graham suggested it here and got caught, where else might he have "suggested" things and what might have happened because of those suggestions?* Again, those claiming that this election COULD have been rigged don't seem to want to investigate that allegation from the "left" like they do allegations from the "right." I find that interesting. 

*Do I personally think Graham did suggest things in other states? Not really, which is why I'm not saying we should be demanding an investigation like others are. But if anyone has credible evidence that there has been some foul play ... bring it forward.

1  · 

To further emphasize my point. Notice how jla simply puts forth in this case that the allegation could be true just like the other allegations ... essentially "both siding" us. Yet earlier when he posted the article about election machine glitches where the was nothing to the story, and I pointed that out, he doubled down with calls for an investigation into spurious allegations. 

Yet he's made no call for an investigation into this allegation when given the chance. His lack of consistency is showing his bias.

 · 
square.

it's pretty clear at this point that x-lax is not a centrist, and absolutely, no way in hell, a libertarian.

1  · 

randomised, in a normal election Georgia checks the signature on the absentee ballot against that voter's signature on file, then separates the ballot from the envelope and the ballot is counted. 

This year Georgia's Secretary of State added an extra step where the voter's signature on the request for an absentee ballot is checked against the voter's signature on file before they are sent a ballot. 

Then they check it again in the normal way when the ballot is returned. So absentee ballots in Georgia have been signature verified twice. Trump wants them to reconnect the ballot to the envelope and check a third time, which would violate the secret ballot language in Georgia's constitution.

1  · 
SneakyPete

libertarian is a word shield right wingers hide behind so they can try to avoid the inevitable 'isms' that come along with right wing ideologies.

3  · 

but jla is "FoR oPeN bOrDeRs!"

 · 
tduds

"Libertarian"Image

 · 
x-jla

“x-jla, if you can imagine this level of voter fraud is a possibility within our system can you also imagine the repercussions this would have?”

 · 
x-jla

^ after litterally saying the 2016 election was stolen by conspiracy between Russians and republicans...

 · 
x-jla

For 4 years

 · 
x-jla

“ liberal is a word shield left wingers hide behind so they can try to avoid the inevitable 'isms' that come along with left wing ideologies.“

 · 
x-jla

“ it's pretty clear at this point that x-lax is not a centrist, and absolutely, no way in hell, a libertarian.”. No, it’s not clear at all.

 · 
x-jla

Babblebeautiful, you do realize this is the same govt that has lied Americans into multiple wars using our money to fund aka laundering to corporations like Halliburton, spied on us through the NSA...when we found out, we didn’t do a thing. Comfortably numb...

 · 
x-jla

No, I don’t think that it’s beyond reason to suggest that elections could be rigged. Unlikely, but certainly not below the morality level of govt.

 · 
x-jla

The dummies on here can’t seem to understand that replacing a nationalist douche with a globalist cunt via fraud, or just simple media herding of the poorly informed emotional masses isn’t something to be happy about...and criticizing it doesn’t mean that I support the former.

 · 
tduds

We very much understand it. You keep wedging your one feeling into every remotely tangential discussion with little, if any, new information. I can only speak for myself but I think we're all just tired of watching you repeat yourself.

1  · 
tduds

You think it's not impossible that there was election fraud. Cool. Got it. Got it weeks ago. Quit bringing it up unless you've got something new to contribute. You're mucking up the thread.

1  · 
b3tadine[sutures]

If saying Russian Troll Farms, colluding with Trump's Klan, to sow seeds of distrust, depressed voter turnout, then yeah, you muppet, Trump won through dishonest, and treasonous means.

 · 
SneakyPete

I don't self-identify as a liberal, dipshit. You love to call yourself a libertarian. So even if you were right (you aren't) it's not a counter-punch, it's just words. Congratulations, you said words. You fucking toddler.

 · 
SneakyPete

*counts minutes until x-lax claims victory because I seem to have gotten emotional*


Spoiler alert; stupid people piss me off.

 · 
BabbleBeautiful

I identify myself as a "meat popsicle"

 · 
x-jla

If Russian troll farms were able to sway the election, what makes you think CCP and other foreign actors couldn’t sway it towards Biden? The economic motive is definitely strong.

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x-jla

Add to that corporate media and big tech interests. Do you realize the Russian troll farms were using fake blm and alt right accounts to sow division? Of course, the 2020 narrative wasn’t curated for the same effect though. Yeah

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BabbleBeautiful

JFC, you