Donald Trump famously said that George Bush's decision to invade Iraq was "the single worst decision ever made by the US Government". There has not been a more honest statement by a US President in the past 100 years and probably will not be topped for the next 100 years. While Bush and Cheney have the most responsibility for the carnage, Barak Obama and Joe Biden were in office for the last eight years of the useless wars and did little to stop them. Trump did put an end to them and did so over the objections of the generals.
Right. Sure. Except facts. Obama pulled out of Iraq, started his run for office being against the Iraq war. North Korea is more of a threat. Iran is out of the agreement made with Obama, because of Trump's actions. Europe is destabilized because of Trump. China is twitching because of Trump. The biggest threats to our stability are global climate change, and the pandemic, all abandoned by Trump. This is too easy. You're too simple.
Obama didn't sit idly by. But I'm confused, are hoping that Obama just willy-nilly wander into global wars, or were you hoping for some magic to occur. In all cases, Obama rightfully put the decisions on whether or not we start bombing Assad into Legislative hands, Article 1. As for Ukraine, they were not in NATO, were always going to be threatened by Russia, as their long history suggests. Lastly, what has Trump done? Back rubs from Putin? We took out an Iranian leader, something to hang your hat on, while Kim launches ever more increasing shots across Japan.
What is it you're looking for? A unitary executive, and a Congress not held accountable for the powers precisely placed in their hands?
I do agree that Trump (with Kusher's backhanded deals etc.) was not bad for Middle East politics. Obviously, he built on the strong framework left by Obama and Biden. He could've fucked it all up but didnt.
However, regarding China - he made them more powerful by dividing the country further and making us weaker. Same with his backhanded deals with India, Turkey, Japan etc etc.
The gist of all of this is that while he was focused on making deals with other countries in the name of world peace, he literally left the US to die with COVID, inspiring racial violence and division. This is why I am glad he is out and hope he never comes back.
Sydney Powell is the attorney for Michael Flynn. Her firm replaced his original lawyers which were in the tank for the DOJ and saved his bacon. She is now on the Trump voting case and hopefully will be able to bring the case to the Supreme Court. Seems like if what she is saying isn't true she could face sanctions.
at some point it has to be embarrassing posting stuff like this. think about how bad any given election would have to be for the supreme court to change the will of voters. the precedent set would be that the supreme court would end democracy and the state's rights to run elections and send delegates to the electoral college.
Flynn, the guy who plead guilty, and who then later had the DOJ - who you seem to think were in the tank against Flynn - try to drop charges, and the Judge essentially told them to go grab their ankles; those are the geniuses repping for Trump? This will be good. Popcorn won't be enough.
Nov 8, 20 8:23 pm ·
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b3tadine[sutures]
Do you just randomly toss shit into a blender, and spit this like Vanilla Ice spits rhymes?
I'm not even sure what the point of the article is. The only claim they are making is that an update to the software occurred and it delayed voting, which was then extended. It was perhaps unusual, but there isn't any claim that this means there were votes not counted or anything. Both counties affected (Morgan County and Spalding County) went for Trump with similar numbers as they did in 2016.
The hypocrisy is funny. Not my president, Russia stole the election, illegitimate president, collusion collusion...etc x 4 years. Now whaaaa they are undermining the legitimacy of democracy...whaaaa...That’s why the arguing will never stop. Hypocrisy annoys people more than anything and like I said above the two parties are in a twilight zone hypocrisy loop.
The first one was fraudulent. Russia did intervene. The second one was attempted theft, as evidenced by USPS, the minions calling for the ending of vote counting, and trying to criminalize mail in voting. So where is the hypocrisy? As for Biden's event, are you cognitively impaired? The people who attended were in cars, in a fucking parking lot. Not like fat boy, who holds an event at the White House. Shouldn't you be off to the Four Seasons?
"some liberal tweets = my understanding of the totality of reality"
i truly feel for people like you who are unable to celebrate and immediately begin whining, complaining, and groaning as soon as possible. it must be a pretty miserable existence. there's a lot not to love about biden, but holy shit removing trump is one of the most consequential events of our life time, especially for the planet.
if you are as "independent" as you claim, stop being so goddamn insufferable and breathe for a minute.
Computers use logic. Humans are infected by emotion even when they think they're being rational. Stop saying "logic" when you mean "thought process" and stop pretending your thought process is any more immune to bias than anybody else's.
Not even sure why I'm posting this, but here we are.
The issue in 2016 was never about whether Trump was elected by a fair election process. He was. You can find Dems that would claim it wasn't "fair" that the winner of the popular vote didn't win, but that's how our elections process works. Claims of Russian interference stopped short of claiming that votes were changed or fabricated. In fact, most media outlets and politicians were going out of their way to point out that the voting process was not tampered with. At most it was a claim that people were misled by misinformation or fabrications (i.e. fake news) ... but the foundation of the democracy, that the people give the leaders power through the voting process, was never in doubt (except for Trump's own claim that 3 million illegal immigrants voted for Clinton, of which there has never been any evidence to support it).
The issue in 2020 is that Trump is claiming there has been widespread voter fraud (with no evidence to support it), and that does undermine the electoral process which ultimately undermines the foundation of democracy. So this isn't even close to a valid whataboutism for 2020's claims compared to 2016's claims of "not my president." The only person undermining democracy, in both cases, has been Trump. So there's no hypocrisy here because Dems, with their claims of Russian collusion, were never undermining the electoral process like they are saying Trump is now.
Hypocrisy doesn't undermine the legitimacy of a politician. It might undermine their credibility or their likability, but their legitimacy is founded in the election that put them in power. The only one trying to undermine that legitimacy is Trump and those who follow him.
Nov 9, 20 4:44 pm ·
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b3tadine[sutures]
Xlax keeps using hypocrisy, the better word for Trump and his ilk is; duplicitous.
There are a ton of reasons why 2020 is different from 2016 but I'm kinda busy this week so instead of trying in vain to craft my own response that you'll inevitably dismiss I'm going to post funny memes and occasional good analyses that other people write as I come across them. Stay tuned.
Kind of a digression but it's very funny to me that you're so obviously googling things on the fly and posting whatever results come up since you can't be bothered (or don't know how) to scrub the link into a correct URL.
One of his links further below shows it was from Ben Shapiro's facebook page. Great source of news! Where was the link he posted that said that people who get the majority of their news from social media are less informed overall?
When one person does something, and then a different person does something in contradiction to the first person. It's "hypocrisy" because both of those people are "Liberals."
Also I decided they're Liberals neither of them said it.
Mark my words if credible evidence comes out that foreign interference somehow tipped the election *for* Biden, I'll eat my hat. In all likelihood (and I'll pre-emptively admit this is pure conjecture and I have no factual backup for it) any interference was designed to help Trump but it failed.
Playing off of tduds conjecture ... any interference could have succeeded in helping Trump while also failing to give him the victory. I've seen talk about the red shift along the Texas border because of Spanish-language targeted misinformation. I'm not saying it was coming from a foreign actor, but just pointing out that success and failure might depend on how you look at it.
A lot of Russia's interference in 2016 was seen as simply trying to undermine confidence in the electoral process. Judging by what we are seeing 4 years later, this could be seen as successful based on the stuff Volunteer and jla are posting.
it's up to the election commissioners in each county to investigate their elections. they do that. it's happening. if there is a specific county, maybe even three, that seems to have screwed up and tried to cover it up instead of fixing
it, then let's get an outside agency involved. don't fill the courts with frivolous lawsuits with no evidence because you're a sore loser.
"Hillary Clinton dismissed President Donald Trump as an “illegitimate president” and suggested that “he knows” that he stole the 2016 presidential election in a CBS News interview to be aired Sunday."
OK for Hillary to call Trump an illegitmate president, but not OK for Trump supporters to request a recount of the vote and ask questions and file lawsuits for the courts to decide?
If HRC wants to claim Trump is illegitimate, fine. She wasn't there on Jan 20, 2017 waiting for the Chief Justice to swear her in, so I don't think she really intended on following through with it. If she can prove it, she should get her chance, though it's a little too late.
Same goes for Trump and his followers now. If he wants to claim there is some issue with the election and that Biden isn't legitimate, fine. Back it up with evidence and get the courts to rule in his favor. Otherwise it all seems like just a bunch of hot air.
Trump himself called the 2016 election illegitimate, questioned the vote numbers, along with having the audacity to claim, illegitimately that his inauguration was attended by more people than Obama's. Yeah, the Birther In Chief did all of that.
Volunteer, here's a difference for you between HRC's claim Trump's 2016 election is illegitimate, and Trump's claim about Biden's in 2020. HRC never got Loretta Lynch to look into claims that had been made in court and dismissed.
"Justice Department investigators are looking into a referral from the Republican Party in Nevada, which claims over 3,000 people who live outside the state voted in its election, the department official said. The official would not say whether the department had opened a full investigation. A federal judge dismissed the claim in court last week." Source
Nov 9, 20 11:14 pm ·
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tduds
Clinton conceded. Obama and his entire administration facilitated a peaceful transfer of power.
The crucial difference is that they were able to put their personal opinions aside and respect the integrity of the system even when they felt it had failed to reflect the will of the people. Currently, not just Trump but a disturbing proportion of the Republican establishment is casting doubt on the integrity of the system because it did reflect the will of the people.
Direction is as important as amplitude in this case, and the two scenarios are remarkably different.
But if they concede they will never win the presidency again, or something like that...it is not about a rigged election at all for them, they happily accept the senate and Congress results of the same election. Suddenly the people counting those votes are okay. They just know that with a changing demographic and urbanisation they are screwed... Most beautiful election map I saw was of Arizona: https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/jprzeg/arizona_voting_precincts_and_arizona_native/
And a black voter said, not sure where I saw it on Twitter or imgur, that they’ve come a long way as people, paraphrasing here, they went from picking cotton to picking the president.
First, I’m not sure what you all are saying - fraud didn’t happen (you don’t know), fraud couldn’t happen (Why not), or I don’t care about fraud because my guy won???
Second, stop lying. The hypocrisy is clear as day, and you look ridiculous not acknowledging it. Voter propaganda from Russia was lesser than the propaganda and info suppression from big tech.
Third, I’m happy trump is out, just not happy Biden is in. Based on policy, not style or branding, why is a Biden presidency better? I’ll give you the nice feel good speeches (which are written by others FYI), but in terms of policy, what will be better and why?
Fourth, Kamala Harris is an obnoxious and ruthless prosecutor. She’s not kind and woke. I get the black female barrier thing (which no one cares about except the identity fetish group or the actual racists), but other than that, her record shows that she is a terrible human. Why are we celebrating this?
Fifth, I’m not going to put a “not my president” bumper sticker on my car, or riot in the streets (nyc plywood windows can come off btw...no need now that Biden won) or wear a vagina hat like a jackasses crying and flailing on the ground in 2016-17, because it’s dumb.
Typical clowns. Trump can't put one sentence together, and douchenozzles like these two reprobates are casting aspersions. Absolutely love the hypocrisy, yes hypocrisy. No one elected religious leaders, Trump is pro choice, Trump assaulted, raped and is an out and out racist, Trump is bought and sold by Turkey, Russia, and others, and you kkklowns are wondering who owns Biden? Eat a djick magakkklan.
As for the virus, and vaccine, cry me a river snowflake maga; Trump will own the former, and Bidet latter. Trump owns the failure of the wall, immigration, white nationalists, the declining economy, etc. He's a piece of shit, he's going to jail, and with any luck Don Jr. will be on a street corner doling out blow jobs for change.
That's the problem with dipshits like you, you think that white supremacy is all the purview of whites, instead of deeper thinking into the underpinnings. I don't care what handful of black men did, Black Women won this, and I'm going to celebrate them,
you garbage fire.
Nov 10, 20 10:43 am ·
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b3tadine[sutures]
The only moron denying white supremacy, and the insidious, infrastructural impacts, are dumb asses like you. Not to mention the rampant misogynist, and homophobic attitudes emanating from the men you've underscored as "evidence" of a lack of white supremacy. Get a book. White Supremacist Capitalist Patriarchy is real, and you don't have to be a kkkrazy white ass kkkracker to be one. The sheer dumbfuckkkery.
Nov 10, 20 11:20 am ·
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b3tadine[sutures]
Epilogue: it's clowns like you that fail to see, acknowledge, and reconcile the past, that are the reason we're in this place. Get back to your color-blind world son, adults are busy doing the work you lazy whites are incapable of doing.
Nov 10, 20 11:24 am ·
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b3tadine[sutures]
"Are the 20% of black men and 38% or Hispanics..." Dumbfuckkkery.
Nov 10, 20 11:38 am ·
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b3tadine[sutures]
^^^duuuuuuumbfuckkkery supreme. Talks about agency, then points to all the ways the Grand Wizard buys votes. You ain't got nothing on stupid, you own the whole ship. You're white...omg. The level of fucking stupid. Tell me asshat, when you're done beating your wife, does she say thank you?
Nov 10, 20 11:52 am ·
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b3tadine[sutures]
^^^keeps saying that people are defective, when I'm saying internalized oppression is real, and homophobia and misogyny is real. Demonstrates you should be first in line for reëducation camps in my Marxist Wonderland.
Nov 10, 20 12:32 pm ·
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randomised
“Poor kids can be just as [defective] as white kids”...
so when a woman is aggressive enough to win a few court cases and succeed in politics you feel the need to publicly claim that she's a terrible person? like you needed to post that here because you really need people to know you think strong women are terrible people?
Nov 10, 20 8:05 pm ·
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curtkram
i'm just saying, you could type that all out and not hit enter at the end. like, get it out of your system, but don't put this version of you out in public. this isn't private space.
Not sure why it’s hidden, unless it’s been fact checked as wrong. This isn’t the silver bullet jla thinks it is though. I’m not quite sure what he’s trying to point out here anyway. Do things like this happen, yes. That’s why we have the double checks in the process to find and correct these things. Are you suggesting that there are errors like this throughout the results in various states that would be enough to overturn the presidential election results? This is an example of the process working and reinforces the claims that there has not been large scale voter fraud or tampering in the elections.
Nov 10, 20 10:45 am ·
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square.
it's time to (i can't believe i'm saying this) pull a fox news- stop paying attention and shut the shit off.
I've never said I want to keep glitchy software or that people trying to scam the election shouldn't be arrested, and you're not really saying that. You're using it as an excuse to keep doing what you're doing (see the hippo story below) ... but no one is disagreeing that if there is evidence of voter fraud or a rigged election they should be investigated. What I'm saying is so far, without evidence to the contrary, there isn't any there there. Until there is ... you're just a hippo using it's tail as a crop duster.
You're intelligent enough that you can see the articles you're posting aren't pointing to anything unusual, and that the system seems to be working as it normally does. If you want to make larger changes to the voting process and get rid of chances for scamming elections, you'd be spending your time encouraging everyone in Georgia to vote for the two democratic senate candidates in their January runoff election. That will mean that something might actually be done rather than the elections and voting bills languishing on the Senate Majority Leader's desk for the next two years.
FWIW this dumb shit is hidden for the same reason we all shut down stupid; just because there's water on ground, doesn't mean it's raining. Especially when it's obvious to anyone with half a brain; it's sunny and 70.
Subtle, but did anyone else catch the change when jla went from asserting voter fraud to voter interference to move those goalposts?
If you're suggesting there was voter interference in the form of massive amounts of misinformation, I'm right there with you. If you're suggesting there has been voter interference through coordinated attempts over years to disenfranchise groups of voters by the Republican Party, I'm right there with you.
I think you're mistaking the former (relief that Trump is on the out) for the latter (enthusiasm that Biden is on the in) and then using that to smugly denigrate happy people. It's pretty annoying, to be blunt.
Back to cleaning up the poo with actual journalism. I'm surprised jla isn't embarrassed with how easy it is to fact check these things and point out he's being manipulated to believe things that aren't true.
Lots of things *could* be happening. Doesn't mean we need to talk about them.
Nov 10, 20 8:04 pm ·
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tduds
My mom could be a libertarian. She's not, but she *could* be. I demand you acknowledge this possibility so we don't spend time talking about all of the evidence that contradicts it.
I've got a story reasonably relevant to the discussion above.
When I was much younger, say 12 or so, I was at a zoo in Virginia (the better one, not West) admiring the hippo pond. It was mid summer so temp was hot and humid and it was busy. One particularly large hippo decided it was a a good time to relieve itself in front of the crowd. Little did I know, but hippos tend to use their tails as crop dusters to disperse feces in a wide radius. To add to this, on this particular day, this hippo's discharge was less than solid so the crowd not only got a show, but also a shower of liquid (possibly hot) hippo shit. I was spared any collateral damage due to the tall enclosure barrier but the memory of the smell in the muggy air and visible spray pattern (plus a bunch of fat American tourists running around) still comes back to me from time to time.
You're such a free thinker. It's made clear how much you think for yourself when you use original insults you made up by your big boy self.
Nov 11, 20 1:04 pm ·
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randomised
Pete, it is totally different in a one on one discussion/argument where insults are flying back and forth than in discussing someone’s politics/policies...I’m sure you realise that.
Nov 11, 20 2:48 pm ·
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SneakyPete
I'm just here to point out the hypocrisy.
Nov 11, 20 2:51 pm ·
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liberty bell
Just pointing out that I didn’t make any comment on Loeffler’s politics. Just her hair. That much hair doesn’t look good on either side of the aisle.
Just thinking about FDR's Four Freedoms speech that were memoralized by Norman Rockwell. A lot of people, like the residents of Portland, OR, are going 0 for 4 these days. Nobody is going 4 for 4. They are The Freedom from Want, the Freedom of Speech, Freedom from Fear, and Freedom of Religion. Now we even have lists being draw up of people who support Trump, even including Supreme Court justices, for a pogrom to begin soon.
Explain to me, you simp, whose religion is being infringed upon?
Nov 11, 20 6:48 am ·
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square.
marx would especially like that first freedom.
Nov 11, 20 9:11 am ·
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SneakyPete
Yeah. Trump has had it so rough during his life. And it's everyone else's fault. This country is going down the tubes. If only we'd get behind trump we'd be on the right path. God would love us, we'd be able to say whatever we want, we'd never have to worry about hunger or homelessness, and we'd go to bed secure and unafraid.
Here's where I launch into a multiple post diatrabe about how NOBODY is saying that's good, LEAST OF ALL ME, and that I'm just pointing out that you're being HYPOCRITICAL etc etc etc. Don't worry about it making sense. That's not my job. I'm just here to POINT OUT THE HYPOCRACY ON BOTH SIDES!
But every moment you waste here, failing to convince anyone with your bullshit, is less money you make at work, which makes me feel like it's worth it. So carry on, you wasteful idiot.
Normally, you maga, I would be incredulous at your fundamental duplicitous behavior. A town, one town, early in the pandemic, fined a few people. The Feds backed the lawsuit, and the city later dropped the issue. The Mayor even said citizens wouldn't need to pay the fine. As for Cuomo and nursing homes, you're yet again woefully uninformed, and spewing shit. As for the Ultra Orthodox Jewish community, that is complex situation, one in which both of us lack the nuanced history, or language to grasp. I'll rely on the people on the ground, and not some Trumper.
Nov 11, 20 11:53 am ·
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SneakyPete
And volunteer, you think people writing down lists of bad people is somehow new, somehow novel, and must be bad? Your myopia is self inflicted, and results from your tunnel vision. Everything you're afraid the left is doing has been going on for the last four years, and you can't see it because it's in your massive blind spots. I'm not surprised, because you're on my list of idiots to avoid listening to when they spew political opinions. Does my list make me unamerican?
Very few of those charged appear to be affiliated with highly organized extremist groups, and many are young suburban adults from the very neighborhoods Trump vows to protect from the violence in his reelection push to win support from the suburbs.
the right has cemented itself as the post-truth party.
We literally went over this earlier in this thread when we pointed out that evidence was not supporting the theory that BLM protests were super spreader events while Trump's rallies and other conservative-attended events (like Sturgis) were. The main reasoning was that BLM people stayed outside and wore masks. At the other events that did spread COVID-19, people didn't wear masks in large numbers, and also congregated in bars, etc.
This doesn't mean that the celebrations of Biden's victory won't be super spreader events, we'll have to wait and see what the science says, but if previous events are an indication ... these will likely not be large contributors if people remained outdoors, wore masks, and took other normal common sense precautions.
Conservatives' denial of science is Darwinism in action.
It's a list of things to remember that happen to be names, not a kill list, not anything of import.
Nov 11, 20 2:04 pm ·
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tduds
"Biden wins, and no need for all that plywood."
In other words, if the fascist wannabe-autocrat is removed from power there's no need to fight the fascist wannabe-autocrat. Duh.
Nov 11, 20 2:11 pm ·
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tduds
Very funny sentiment to express on Armistice Day.
Nov 11, 20 2:13 pm ·
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SneakyPete
Your double standards? Yes. I agree. They are.
Nov 11, 20 2:50 pm ·
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tduds
The idea that one cannot discuss a single topic without constantly addressing every other topic, however unrelated, is very annoying. It's possible, encouraged even, to criticize one person or group without defending another person or group. Your main function throughout this thread (and, dare I say, on Archinect as a whole) has been to derail criticism of one group by mis-construing it as - and then demanding an explanation of - a defense of their main opponent. Knock it off.
Democrats don't need to be good for Republicans to be bad. The "left" doesn't need to be spotless for the "right" to be wrong. The fact that the lesser of two evils is still evil doesn't undo the fact that the greater of two evils is greater.
x-lax is what happens when you distill a troll who cut their teeth in the early 2000's. He's like the everclear of trolls: completely lacking in flavors (except the really nasty chemical ones) but, man, that shit is designed to get you all messed up.
jla's evidence that the "biased media" said something about super spreader events is to pivot to opinion articles about police shootings written by someone with a book to sell on ... wait for it ... the war on cops making everyone less safe.
Loving how NPR is now constantly using phrases like "without presenting evidence" and "stated without proof" and "refusing to accept reality." That's called telling it like it is.
Naw, they're just reporting the facts. I actually heard a newscaster on NPR say that something was 'untrue' and that someone else's comment was a 'lie'.
"'There's a great human capacity for inventing things that aren't true about elections,' said Frank LaRose, a Republican who serves as Ohio's secretary of state. 'The conspiracy theories and rumors and all those things run rampant. For some reason, elections breed that type of mythology.'"
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"Voting fraud in the United States is extremely rare. The irregularities that do occur are often inconsequential, isolated in nature, and unlikely to alter the outcome of an election. The most significant episode of election fraud over the past several years involved an alleged effort to manipulate ballots to benefit a Republican candidate for Congress in North Carolina, Mark Harris, in 2018. The scheme forced a new election and an operative who worked for Mr. Harris, L. McCrae Dowless, is under indictment. Mr. Harris was not charged with wrongdoing, and denied any role.
"In the case of the 2020 election, Mr. Biden's margins in the blue wall states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin are all in the tens of thousands. Even in Georgia, where Mr. Biden leads by more than 11,000 votes, it would be hard to uncover enough voting irregularities to change who won."
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"Mr. Trump's attack on the election system this year has relied on either outright fabrication or gross exaggeration involving the sorts of small problems that typically come up in elections.
"In Ohio, for instance, Mr. LaRose said that while it was not unusual to discover a handful of improprieties in a statewide election, systemic fraud has not happened.
"'In the past, I've referred people to local prosecutors and the attorney general for noncitizens voting,' he said. 'It's like tens or dozons of people, not hundreds. There's no acceptable level of voter fraud and we take every one of those cases seriously.'"
Not looking good for finding that evidence everyone (read jla and Volunteer) is desperately searching for to support the conspiracy theories.
Nov 11, 20 1:30 pm ·
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square.
After his first election Trump was peppered with detailed policy questions
classic trump maga spin. the braincells continue to erode. provide quotes of these "answers," please. we're all still waiting on his healthcare plan, let alone a demonstration of a 5th-grade understanding of what healthcare is from trump
I hope he reboots successfully after the forced OS update on Nov. 3.
Nov 11, 20 3:08 pm ·
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SneakyPete
But if we are to root out possible fraud we should look everywhere. Do you have a problem with asking Ohio? Why do you have a problem looking for fraud in Ohio? Are you suggesting something?
"The accusations of fraud from the president and his allies were noticeably absent from states where Mr. Trump and his fellow Republicans did well.
"In South Carolina, for instance, the Republican incumbent, Senator Lindsey Graham, won relatively easily over Jaime Harrison, despite the fact that polls showed a tight race there. The South Carolina Election Board chairman John W. Wells said late Monday, 'I have not heard of any' substantive allegations of fraud in the state, though he added he would await a final determination in the certification and protest process.
"Asked if Mr. Graham was concerned about the results in his state, a spokesman said the senator has 'discussed states where the margins are close' but invited South Carolina voters to step forward with any 'evidence of fraud or irregularities.'
"Mr. Graham, a close ally of Mr. Trump, has taken up the president's cause. He asked the Department of Justice to investigate claims made in an affidavit the Trump campaign shared with him from a Postal Service worker in Erie, Pa. The worker made allegations of impropriety at the local Postal branch based largely on a conversation he said he overheard.
"Late Tuesday, the credibility of that affidavit came into question after the House Oversight Committee reported on Twitter that the worker recanted his story in discussions with the Postal Service's Office of Inspector General. The worker later denied he recanted in an online video."
From another article about the recanting of the postal worker's claims ...
"Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, who has urged Mr. Trump to continue to fight the results of the election, sent Mr. Hopkins's affidavit to reporters along with a statement that read in part: 'I will not allow credible allegations of voting irregularities or misconduct to be swept under the rug.' He later acknowledged in a television interview on Sunday that the claims he circulated were unverified."
Nov 11, 20 4:19 pm ·
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randomised
It’s so laughable those comparisons of political opponents with Hitler, like school kids drawing tiny moustaches in their text books...if people really thought Trump was Hitler they should kill him and not make stupid memes. The guy deserves a Nobel Peace Prize and maybe even re-election, just to spite people...
The idea that Dems would engage in widespread voter fraud in enough states to swing the election, while also losing house races, and not gaining a majority in the Senate is laughable. But yeah, I guess the idea that there was only fraud that happened in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada makes a lot of sense if you don't think about it. Trump and his supporters are really good about not thinking.
Many of the people who have compared Trump to Hitler are historians who study Hitler and elderly European immigrants who lived through his rise in the 30s. If you think the comparison is inaccurate feel free to provide an explanation.
I think a major failure in American education is that we were taught about 1943 Hitler but not 1933 Hitler. Perhaps because a lot of people we were taught are "Great Americans" were suspiciously into 1933 Hitler.
Personally, I wouldn't say Trump is Hitler (He's way too dumb). But I will say that the people who currently support Trump, were they alive in 1930's Germany, would have supported Hitler.
I was reading a pretty decent piece on National Socialism, Nazi, and the parallels are stunning. The one that stuck with me, aside from the obvious Nationalism, was the fact that Socialist part, wasn't for everyone, it was only for those that fit the narrative propagated by Agolf. That right there, in a nut shell, hits all the salient points about Agolf Twitler today. Only his people get Medicare, only his people get bail outs, only his people get mobility carts, only his people get $15 hour in Florida...
"Many of the people who have compared Trump to Hitler are historians who study Hitler and elderly European immigrants who lived through his rise in the 30s." In contrast, I highly doubt any Stalinist historians would do more than laugh dismissively at your trollish attempt to compare him to AOC.
Nov 11, 20 7:20 pm ·
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b3tadine[sutures]
Mic check on aisle dumbass. No one liked Stalin, Lenin was the brains, Stalin was in the right place, at the right time. Like Agolf Twitler.
I could go into the differences - both subtle and glaring - between Stalinist theory, Leninist theory, Marxist theory, Socialist theory, Sino-Soviet Communism in practice, Nordic Democratic Soclialism in practice, and American "Democratic Socialism" in its nascent ascendance, but something tells me the nuance would be lost on the audience here.
Nov 12, 20 12:31 am ·
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SneakyPete
"Until you guys stop calling 1/2 the country racist and deplorable..." *SOURCES MISSING*
Nov 12, 20 1:32 am ·
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square.
*said no one as they only call-out xlax's bullshit*
Nov 12, 20 9:10 am ·
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square.
i totally agree with the fact that this election is as much on the democrats as people who chose to vote for trump. i'm willing to bet there is a large percentage of trump voters that feel so alienated by the democrat's corporatist policies that they see trump as the only option. i don't agree with, however, giving credence to the entirely bogus conspiracy that the election was rigged. this popular vote margin is set to be one of the largest ever, which is no small statement. the more time you spend parroting this complete garbage, the more you damage your credibility.
that being said- i still don't quite think you're a libertarian yet.
"How does a dead man cast a vote? How does anyone who is not a white male cast a vote? Because we’ve tried pretty hard to stop that, and it doesn’t seem to be working. Plus, dead people can walk through walls. We’re pretty sure that at his peak, Bob was casting 42,000 votes per second."
Question that should perhaps be asked, do people dislike Trump so much that they think voter fraud is deemed acceptable? I mean, some people think of him as the reincarnation of Hitler, would you commit voter fraud to keep Hitler out of office? I would...
Here's to remind people of how rotten the Democratic establishment can be:
"do people dislike Trump so much that they think voter fraud is deemed acceptable?" No.
Why do you think this is a question worth asking? No one* is making the case for this.
*I'm sure you could probably find some twitter rando with like 18 followers but let's agree that "No One" means no consensus with enough clout or momentum to matter.
That judge was correct that their leadership is corrupt...it clearly shows a pattern, a pattern still relevant to this day. They do anything to get their preferred candidate elected, a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g that's what it shows...At least the Republicans had the decency to run a clean primary and to stand by their winning candidate, even if they in all honesty would have preferred anyone but Trump. Simply shows character, integrity and respect for the democratic process.
... leadership is corrupt... it clearly shows a pattern, a pattern still relevant to this day. They do anything to get their preferred candidate elected, a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g that's what it shows...
At least the Republicans had the decency to run a clean primary
"In February 2019, the Republican National Committee voted to provide undivided support to Trump.[5][6] Several states canceled their primaries and caucuses.[7] Other states were encouraged to use "winner-takes-all" or "winner-takes-most" systems to award delegates instead of using proportional allocation."
I suppose you can't have a corrupt primary if you don't have one at all.
Um, as I recall, Bernie was able to have approval of leadership in the party.
Nov 11, 20 9:15 pm ·
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Koww
I do, for sure. This guy dodges the draft and then shamelessly supports veterans
Nov 12, 20 12:10 am ·
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randomised
Because veterans are simply victims of the American warmongering system...the sacrificial lambs in the hunger for world domination, so it makes total sense to dodge being drafted to kill innocent people across the globe and to also support the poor saps that actually had to go to fight in those dirty wars...they go hand in hand.
Randomised, I’m sorry your old skool Euro (read white) centric worldview is not holding up in the US. We make mistakes here but also fix them when the time comes, in a big way. Also note that you are clutching at straws when the talk becomes that is the “corrupt DNC”.
Meanwhile, why do you care so much while sitting in your socialist utopia? You seemingly enjoyed your Trump reality show, it’s over for the time being...
You make mistakes, sure and the world is paying for them...Really curious where Biden will invade next to ensure a Dem re-election. The world will pay for your domestic politics, with the blood and lives of innocent civilians. If that is a white euro centric world view so be it. And the Trump reality shit show, it’s just getting started...can’t wait to see what rabbit he will pull out of his maga cap next...
there might not be more physical invasions, but have no doubt the at-distance-wars have proliferated under trump. not sure yemen falls under your conscience-radar judging from your islamophobic comments, though.
Thanks for sharing square, I wasn't aware of this. At-distance-wars has been a trend since at least Obama administration, but in any case, this obviously tarnishes Trumps record on not being a (foreign) warmonger.
certainly not exculpating the obama administration.. like you said the military-industrial project is real, and it will shape every president that sits in the office; to claim trump has done anything different and has been a "peaceful" president is laughable.
even if you don't buy the fact that it would be possible to make every american wear a mask, or that the study is exaggerated, having a president who early on signaled the importance of wearing masks as soon as we knew that it dramatically curbed the effects of the virus, even assuming 50% of this, still would have saved more lives than all of those lost in wars since 2000.
Nov 12, 20 11:54 am ·
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tduds
I don’t buy the idea that trump isn't responsible for covid deaths. How exactly is this?
I'm not looking to the president to be my life coach or priest. I don't know anyone that does except the cult members Trump has following him.
I am looking at the president to be an example, set public policy, and work with congress to properly fund the tools and resources necessary to effectively realize that policy. And if they can't do that, I expect them to accept the blame for it and not be xenophobic ... like a good chief executive should.
The president is responsible for setting a coherent national policy or, at the *very* least, consistent guidance that follows public health recommendations. Global problems won't and can't be solved by individual actions.
“not to mention trump's bungled response to the pandemic has helped killed more americans than all wars combined since vietnam, you partisan hack. “
Obviously you only see the American lives lost, so typical...a real America First Maga Nationalist, only in Iraq there were that amount of civilians killed by your illegal American invasion!
Easy for you to sit back and throw stones in your glass house, isn't it? When was the last time the Dutch tried to lead on the world stage? You're eager to throw stones from within your anti-muslim country. What you conveniently and disingenuously ignore is that the people you're attacking on this forum do not support wars. You know this, you ignore this, and you lie about this because it makes you feel good, makes you feel right, and makes you feel better than. Your blind spots are glaring, they're obvious, and you sound like a fool.
rando, i was specifically replying to vol's comment amount american soldiers, but preceded this with a critical article about the disastrous american policy in yemen. (though this proved my point about you disregarding another muslim country....)
you're being incredibly lazy here; i know you can do better..
Nov 12, 20 3:22 pm ·
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randomised
Here’s a thought...Maybe just stop trying so hard to lead...and trade blood for oil!
Nov 12, 20 5:19 pm ·
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SneakyPete
Easy for you to say as you sit back and enjoy the EU protections and privelages you didn't earn.
Nov 12, 20 5:47 pm ·
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tduds
"When was the last time the Dutch tried to lead on the world stage?"
I'll give you
a hint it didn't go so well for the Indonesians.
That was not leading on a world stage and it actually went very well for the Indonesians, they’re independent you know...but great digging, gold sticker for effort!
Nov 13, 20 1:51 am ·
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randomised
SP what do you mean we didn’t earn those? We did earn them, paid with our blood and sacrifice and subsequent US occupation (you seem to call it liberation)...Was hoping you finally buggered off of the world stage and retreat back to your continent, but no, still didn’t get that memo: have to interfere almost anywhere in the world where something can be taken, stolen or sold...no wonder you are all so into Veterans Day supporting your troops, the occupying forces, celebrating the suffering of billions of people for cheap gas at the pump etc. You are all about America First, never met a more nationalistic militaristic bunch of people, killing your own and anyone else that suits you, that’s why Trump had to go, he stood up against that...
square, islamophobia is what Islamic fundamentalists refer to when they feel there are offenses commuted against their ideology that must be addressed through censorship or death, the usual, plenty of recent examples of that unfortunately. It was ayatollah Khomeini by the way that coined the term when he actually said that women who don’t wear a veil are islamophobic...Why do you brand me as islamophobic when I protest about the (mostly islamic) civilians being killed by your American armies, shouldn’t I be cheering according to your “logic”?
I heard that Trump was a Trojan horse for white nationalist types. Forgot where I heard that, but it's probably true. I'm sure someone has said it.
Nov 13, 20 1:36 pm ·
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SneakyPete
Dunno who the fuck you're talking about when you say 'you' up there little dutch boy, but it sure as shit ain't me. So unless you want to be painted with the same wide brush you love to use, fuck right off. When I say you I mean YOU. Rando. When you say 'you' you mean some imaginary monolith you pretend is the entire populace of a country. Ignorant ass.
Nov 16, 20 2:46 am ·
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randomised
if [your] shoe fits...
Nov 16, 20 2:59 am ·
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randomised
"Forgot where I heard that, but it’s probably true....Cheney types anyway"
what about the idea of being able to allocate your taxes to where you want them to go? Military, infrastructure, science, NASA, nation parks, entitlements, etc
I think he means chaos. Also, if you choose where they go, isn't that like forced charity (aka welfare)?
Nov 12, 20 12:14 pm ·
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BabbleBeautiful
I think he means tax allocation mandated at the individual level...
Nov 12, 20 12:34 pm ·
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BabbleBeautiful
Ah, lost my edit...
Play it out and see what comes of it. It'll test your understanding/perspective of the system and human nature.
Nov 12, 20 12:41 pm ·
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SneakyPete
So I could state that 100% of my federal taxes go to Social Security? I could state that my local taxes have to be spent on the road I live on? My State taxes MUST be spent on state parks? Yeah, let it play out. I'm sure it's as perfect as all of JLA's other ideas.
Nov 12, 20 12:44 pm ·
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BabbleBeautiful
It can be a
fun exercise nevertheless
Nov 12, 20 12:45 pm ·
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tduds
My taxes are lower than even the tiniest government budget line item, so I can just pretend my entire contribution is going to one specific thing, I suppose.
Why not just get rid of taxes and let the philanthropists donate for new roads and bridges for naming rights? Super PACs will move from funding campaigns to funding wars and drone strikes to push their corporate donors' agendas overseas. Small dollar donations from the Bernie people will attempt to rebuild some broken infrastructure but it would largely be regressive as the people most likely to donate for that would be the ones with the least ability to do so. In the meantime, the neighborhoods like the one with the gun-toting MAGAs in St. Louis will become their own little walled off enclaves. Where do I sign up?
Nov 12, 20 1:08 pm ·
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SneakyPete
EA, that's where we're headed. Public private partnerships are a taste of the future. The private partner spends the money to do a shitty (but pretty, and low bid!) job, then extracts the value through depreciation, tolls, and deferred maintenance, then turns the decaying husk over to the public! Everyone wins! And then, when the public complains, they pivot to claiming they'd do better IF ONLY THEY OWNED IT FOREVER.
While we're dreaming ... maybe if the top 1% just paid their taxes and shut up about it instead of coercing the politicians to do their bidding through campaign donations, things would be better.
Nov 12, 20 2:10 pm ·
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tduds
If the people with 90% of the wealth pay 50% of the taxes I'd say they're under taxed. Nevermind that your "statistic" is not true.
Nov 12, 20 2:20 pm ·
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tduds
It's the Price of Admission. The luxury boxes cost more than the bleachers, even if we're watching the same game.
Nov 12, 20 2:21 pm ·
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tduds
We've definitely had this exact conversation before. Probably several times. Do you have memory issues?
Nov 12, 20 2:22 pm ·
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tduds
No they haven't. The right has been tricked into believing that taxation in and of itself is evil, and we're living with the consequence of 40+ years of policy decisions made under the Norquist Doctrine. Liberals just want a course correction.
Nov 12, 20 2:26 pm ·
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SneakyPete
You're changing the subject, as per your usual tactics.
Also, you have a say whether your candidate wins or not. Your elected representatives represent you regardless, and you can petition them for redress of grievances. The issue is that without the money to amplify your petition, they don't listen to you.
Money in politics is a real problem. We're at a point where trying to close the barn door is ignoring the fact that the barn no longer exists. It was burned down, the fire marshal paid to look the other way, and the horses sold for dog food decades ago. I've thought about how we might make elections less reliant on massive amounts of money buying influence (regardless of intent) and everything I think of can easily be thwarted by bottomless pockets.
To be serious though. Allowing people to decide what their tax money funds is a horrible idea. People are not capable of thinking beyond their own self interests and desires. American's response to COVID regulations has show this.
Publicly funded elections, sure. So we'd need to ban all adverts, investments, and public support for candidates? Or can a millionaire use their own money as well? Can a candidate use private funding to augment it? Sounds like a big government solution would be required if we didn't want to cement our oligarchy to me.
The funny thing is, it's not all that out there, jla just hasn't done his homework (as per the usual). A few minutes on wikipedia and he'd have a lot more information ... enough to sound smart in this forum.
There are some Nobel Prize winning economists that would help him develop and/or support his idea. There have even been some bills introduced in congress in recent-ish years to do, in part, what he's suggesting.
I've written and reviewed some research grant proposals in the past and this is the type of thing where if jla was writing a grant proposal to further his research, it would get rejected pretty quickly because he hasn't even done enough research to get started. This is usually evident to anyone with a background in the research area because he can't even support his ideas with well-known writings, references, or research. He thinks he's come up with something novel, and so hasn't even tried to see if anyone else has thought of it before.
^Ironically, many of them are libertarians and should be well-known to anyone who knew more about libertarianism, the free-market, and small government.
Where's b3ta and square. to question jla's libertarianism?
Nov 13, 20 3:56 pm ·
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tduds
Problem with simpletons, they use the word "Lib" in a nonironic derisive manner.
I never said you needed to write a thesis. I'm just saying it's pretty apparent you had an idea, thought it was unique, threw it up on the internet, and got steamrolled because you didn't go beyond the initial thought. That's fine and all, but if you don't want to look so dumb, you might want to do some additional homework.
If I was throwing out the idea that we should defund the police, I'd caution myself to do the same. Thing is, I'm not putting forth that idea as my own. If you want to see the ideas I've put out there as my own, you can look at my blog.
In the meantime, I'll gladly call out stupidity on both sides.
There are plenty of studies that demonstrate the societal benefits of reallocating police funding and plenty of studies that demonstrate the psychological benefits of gender affirming therapy / hormone treatment (not surgery, as this is largely a thing invented by the right with no basis in science or reality), but last time I posted a study you decided to claim the entire universe of academic journalism is bunk, so... whatever. Keep sayin' dumb shit.
Nov 13, 20 4:36 pm ·
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tduds
Really fucking tired of the "independent free thinker" who only bothers to criticize progressives (with the occasional "Don't get me wrong I'm happy Trump is out" plausible deniability token) and consistently regurgitates ideas suspiciously similar to Fox / Breitbart / Alt-Right screeds.
i'm not sure who you're talking about, but you know little about me, and the fact that you think you do demonstrates how much you invent narratives to fit your biased perspective. to prove your "argument," please find an example of when i posted something remotely claiming that looting is not only not violence, but permissible.
on the other hand, both the amount and length of your posts paints a pretty clear picture of the delusional world view you inhabit (e.g. i have posted one joke on this particular thread, and you have posted .25+ ramblings)
all of this amount to not a substantial critique of the left, but a paranoid alternative reality that you continually re-construct.
Nov 16, 20 10:06 am ·
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tduds
It's very funny the amount of stuff you just made up to claim that it is I who lives in an alternative reality.
It’s an open secret that Biden’s a one-term president. His “transitional” presidency will allow other nominees a chance to get their feet wet in politics and run.
Nov 12, 20 1:38 pm ·
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SneakyPete
Ok, cool. But still a hard pass on the technocrat.
Not sure where this technocrat moniker's coming from. He's a lawyer that founded a hugely beneficial non-profit for emerging businesses, among other entrepreneurial enterprises.
Nov 12, 20 1:49 pm ·
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sameolddoctor
I think he should give me $1000 per month for 4 years, and then I will take him seriously.
Nov 12, 20 1:56 pm ·
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tduds
Y'all must really want a slap.
Nov 12, 20 2:19 pm ·
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SneakyPete
Being a complete asshole to my friends is funny | x-lax 2024
For self-described Freedom Lovers y'all seem to really love monarchy ;)
Nov 13, 20 2:12 pm ·
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randomised
Actually, according to the freedom index by The Economist the United States is a 'flawed democracy' and all those monarchies (incl. Canada, Australia, New Zealand) of Europe are actually full democracies! Our freedom of the press, according to Reporters Without Borders is a whopping 'good situation', yours only a meagre 'satisfactory'...so yeah, freedom lovers should come live in a European-style monarchy ;-P
I entered the simple term 'voter fraud' on Google and got the first thirty articles saying how there was no voter fraud in the 2020 elections and that Trump was endangering us all by demanding an investigation. I then went to the absurdly named 'DuckDuckGo' search engine and their first thirty articles on 'voter fraud' were about a 50-50 split between the Trump and Biden points of view. I always though the engines just listed the most popular articles on any subject in order of the number of times they were previously accessed. The user is perfectly capable of reading the articles and making up his own mind.This is bald censorship on the part of Google.
Nov 13, 20 3:44 pm ·
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curtkram
that is not at all how search engine algorithms work. in this case, it's possible people who use duck duck go are more inclined to believe in deep state conspiracies and qanon type stuff. that's why they're using that service instead of google - they think google is a left wing deep state conspiracy. also, google searches are often going to be personalized to your own search history, so you aren't always going to get the same results as me.
Morning. The piece by Epstein is a good read. I can't take the other two seriously, however. One is written by Trump's campaign manager. Not that I would dismiss him entirely just because of that fact, but I can't
help but see it as biased. The other uses two examples to make a grand statement, eg. cherry picking. It's too easy to cherry pick to make a point and is a problem with op-ed's in general.
So, my (rhetorical) question to you or anyone is that if you believe google is deliberately editing/filtering/censoring, what do you do about it? One answer is to course-correct how one goes about searching for information and/or does their due-diligence.
Nov 16, 20 9:53 am ·
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SneakyPete
Book plot: America descends into civil war and, at the end, the big tech companies are sovereign nations.
Nov 16, 20 12:42 pm ·
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BabbleBeautiful
Didn't someone recently suggest a technocracy?
Nov 16, 20 2:54 pm ·
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SneakyPete
Hey dumb-ass, nobody fucking said that. You're making shit up again.
Interesting how all the people in this thread who've been complaining about possible election fraud this whole time are suddenly nowhere to be found when the Georgia Secretary of State starts claiming that Lindsey Graham suggested he throw out legally cast ballots in a recent phone call.
A legally cast ballot by the right person can still be thrown out if the signature doesn’t match, no?
Nov 18, 20 1:42 am ·
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randomised
Just “Blame Canada”...the Dominion Company that made some of the vote counting machines used is Canadian, but the Canadians don’t even trust them to count their own votes...
Nov 18, 20 2:00 am ·
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SneakyPete
I'm not saying x-lax IS a broken robot sent here by a toilet in the the future through a wormhole found in the sewer, just saying that they COULD be.
Let me get this straight, the dummy is onto the "Wuhan Vote" now?
Nov 18, 20 9:11 am ·
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BabbleBeautiful
While anything within the confines of our imagination is possible, if there was large-scale, coordinated voter fraud where it could flip the election I, and many others, would completely lose trust in our system which would influence generations to come. I don't think the US can afford this and would empower authoritarian-style leadership.
Nov 18, 20 10:24 am ·
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BabbleBeautiful
Edit: My point is... x-jla, if you can imagine this level of voter fraud is a possibility within our system can you also imagine the repercussions this would have?
This question goes to anyone who genuinely believes in the possibility of this level of fraud.
That jla hasn't heard about this is more evidence that he gets his news in a right-wing bubble. To the question of whether I believe this particular allegation ... I have no reason to doubt it, but there's nothing there to go from. At most it was a suggestion that Graham is now denying. The Georgia SoS isn't going along with it, even if he were even able to ... so it's really a nothing burger unless you can prove the suggestion. At this point, it's just one man's word against another's.
My point is that for all the people clamoring that there COULD have been fraud, this was probably the most damning, and would potentially have the largest, and most lasting effect had the Georgia SoS went along with it. The implication is that if Graham suggested it here and got caught, where else might he have "suggested" things and what might have happened because of those suggestions?* Again, those claiming that this election COULD have been rigged don't seem to want to investigate that allegation from the "left" like they do allegations from the "right." I find that interesting.
*Do I personally think Graham did suggest things in other states? Not really, which is why I'm not saying we should be demanding an investigation like others are. But if anyone has credible evidence that there has been some foul play ... bring it forward.
To further emphasize my point. Notice how jla simply puts forth in this case that the allegation could be true just like the other allegations ... essentially "both siding" us. Yet earlier when he posted the article about election machine glitches where the was nothing to the story, and I pointed that out, he doubled down with calls for an investigation into spurious allegations.
Yet he's made no call for an investigation into this allegation when given the chance. His lack of consistency is showing his bias.
Nov 18, 20 12:05 pm ·
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square.
it's pretty clear at this point that x-lax is not a centrist, and absolutely, no way in hell, a libertarian.
randomised, in a normal election Georgia checks the signature on the absentee ballot against that voter's signature on file, then separates the ballot from the envelope and the ballot is counted.
This year Georgia's Secretary of State added an extra step where the voter's signature on the request for an absentee ballot is checked against the voter's signature on file before they are sent a ballot.
Then they check it again in the normal way when the ballot is returned. So absentee ballots in Georgia have been signature verified twice. Trump wants them to reconnect the ballot to the envelope and check a third time, which would violate the secret ballot language in Georgia's constitution.
We very much understand it. You keep wedging your one feeling into every remotely tangential discussion with little, if any, new information. I can only speak for myself but I think we're all just tired of watching you repeat yourself.
You think it's not impossible that there was election fraud. Cool. Got it. Got it weeks ago. Quit bringing it up unless you've got something new to contribute. You're mucking up the thread.
If saying Russian Troll Farms, colluding with Trump's Klan, to sow seeds of distrust, depressed voter turnout, then yeah, you muppet, Trump won through dishonest, and treasonous means.
Nov 18, 20 2:25 pm ·
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SneakyPete
I don't self-identify as a liberal, dipshit. You love to call yourself a libertarian. So even if you were right (you aren't) it's not a counter-punch, it's just words. Congratulations, you said words. You fucking toddler.
Nov 18, 20 2:33 pm ·
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SneakyPete
*counts minutes until x-lax claims victory because I seem to have gotten emotional*
Spoiler alert; stupid people piss me off.
Nov 18, 20 2:35 pm ·
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BabbleBeautiful
I identify myself as a "meat popsicle"
Nov 18, 20 2:43 pm ·
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BabbleBeautiful
JFC, you really like that deep rabbit hole, eh?
Nov 18, 20 2:50 pm ·
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tduds
If Russian troll farms were able to sway the election, [because there is evidence of them trying] what makes you think CCP and other foreign actors couldn’t sway it towards Biden?
Because there's no evidence. If something comes to light, I'll treat it as reality. Until then, your "theory" is acknowledged.
What's the deal with Trump going on a firing rampage again? I don't get it (genuinely).
Nov 18, 20 10:13 am ·
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randomised
Needs people he can trust around him, can't do a coup with people who disagree with you...
Nov 18, 20 10:21 am ·
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BabbleBeautiful
And what does that say about him in regards to the results of the election?
Nov 18, 20 10:31 am ·
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BabbleBeautiful
Well, I guess you answered that question already.
Nov 18, 20 10:38 am ·
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BabbleBeautiful
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Nov 18, 20 10:45 am ·
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BabbleBeautiful
What I really wanted to say was: I considered that, but isn't it a little late in the game to be doing this? Sorry, my brain is kind of mushy this morning.
Nov 18, 20 11:05 am ·
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tduds
Your first mistake is assuming he knows what he's doing, rather than flailing wildly as his fragile psyche attempts to paper over reality.
I think he thinks he knows what he's doing, but underestimates reality, but there are obviously plenty of fools out there.
Nov 18, 20 12:41 pm ·
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randomised
My guess is that Trump never thought this far ahead and probably thought his second term would come easier...
Nov 18, 20 12:42 pm ·
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tduds
Robust systems of accountability can operate independent of scale. Our government isn't too big, it's too concentrated within the executive.
Nov 18, 20 1:37 pm ·
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square.
wow, this is so profound, man.
Nov 18, 20 2:56 pm ·
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tduds
Resilience is about systems that can withstand the
inevitable breaking of parts. The number of parts is irrelevant.
Nov 18, 20 3:00 pm ·
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randomised
Big countries usually need big governments, also if you want citizens to have a decent quality of life you need big governments to achieve that...look at countries with higher living standards that better look after their people, all social democratic countries with large-ish governments...can’t trust corporations to handle that all
x-jla, ok so from what I've gathered you think corporations and governments are either corruptible or corrupt. Both headed by human beings. What's your solution or answer to this?
Nov 18, 20 5:55 pm ·
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tduds
The opposite of "bad" is not "none"
Nov 18, 20 5:57 pm ·
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BabbleBeautiful
Also, do you think countries such as Sweden, Switzerland, Finland
or...Norway are corrupt?
Nov 18, 20 6:15 pm ·
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tduds
..what
Nov 19, 20 1:17 pm ·
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tduds
And why is Switzerland an example of that, uh, "culture" but not Florida?
Nov 19, 20 3:38 pm ·
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BabbleBeautiful
I agree with you on that, x, however I don't think it's practical. If we have to work with and within the system that we have created over generations and exist in, what can we do? We can't get everyone into a drum circle and do shrooms together...
Also, I'm curious to know why you singled-out Switzerland.
Nov 19, 20 4:03 pm ·
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tduds
I take the opposite view, I believe our so-described cultural & educational decline is proof that the political trajectory we're on is failing. All the things you describe coincide with the slow dismantling of the social safety net during and since the Reagan years. To suggest that our present is not a creation of our politics but a reason why we don't deserve better seems, to me, a backwards correlation.
Also Doritos locos tacos are amazing and I won't hear any of your slander.
x-lax: I need everyone to be perfect, otherwise I will criticize, but I am not perfect. I also accuse others of hypocrisy without a single hint of irony.
This is a great essay that I'm sure will stir no controversy among the users here:
"The implication is the usual one: we—urban multiethnic liberal-to-radical only-partly-Christian America—need to spend more time understanding MAGA America. The demands do not go the other way. Fox and Ted Cruz and the Federalist have not chastised their audiences, I feel pretty confident, with urgings to enter into discourse with, say, Black Lives Matter activists, rabbis, imams, abortion providers, undocumented valedictorians, or tenured lesbians. When only half the divide is being tasked with making the peace, there is no peace to be made, but there is a unilateral surrender on offer. We are told to consider this bipartisanship"
Hahaha so because I was born in a country different than yours I can’t point out the facts of American election interference (worldwide!), you sure are scared of the facts that you need to introduce such a nationalistic argument...”America First”...
also this is not whataboutism at all, this is proven American election interference, clearly shows a pattern where the American establishment meddles in the democratic process worldwide...why this establishment wouldn’t use their powers at home to get the candidate of their choosing, one must be very “naive” to think that impossible.
Nov 20, 20 2:01 am ·
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SneakyPete
"you" are the dumb ass who can't seem to differentiate between a country's leaders and a country's citizenry. "you" get a big ol' holier than thou stiffy because you happened to be born somewhere. Being born Dutch doesn't mean you're better than anyone, and your behavior consistently indicates the opposite.
I can perfectly differentiate between the two of you and "you" and y'all, what's the problem with acknowledging that the US has interfered in many elections over the years. And because your chosen officials and agencies know how to do that, why is it so hard to imagine that the same power structure that interferes elsewhere could be at play at home? We saw that with the corrupt DNC, we saw that with Ukraine, etc. America likes to do as they please and is all about democracy but only when the results are what they need them to be. Sorry for pointing out that hypocrisy and the subsequent hurting of your feelings. That doesn't mean I'm better, I just have a clearer perspective on things and can connect dots you're not even aware of or care that much about...
Nov 20, 20 3:52 am ·
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square.
hey rando, little hint here: no one cares about your opinion of america, even though your smug ass continues to think otherwise. while we have a better understanding than you and are able to critize our country independently, you have 0 credibility or relevance on these issues, and to be honest i find it a little bizarre you spend so much time trying to understand things like the dnc. surely there must be something better you can do with your time.
by the way- you're welcome for those mcdonalds.
Nov 20, 20 9:32 am ·
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randomised
You can take those mcdonalds and your weapons of mass destruction and shove 'em where the sun don't shine, I will stop bothering with American politics when your American nuclear warheads and troops leave my country and when Americans stop meddling and interfering all over the globe. Stay the fuck on your own continent and leave the rest of the world alone, it really is that simple.
You seem to care enough about my opinions to be responding and replying to them, ha! I don't need to spend time understanding things like the dnc, I already understand those things, I've lived and worked in the US, still have friends there and have American friends here in good old Europe. I can't think of a better way to spend my time than to school a bunch of America First National Socialist Democrats, it's for a good cause, my gift to the world!
Nov 20, 20 10:14 am ·
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square.
ok buddy. just letting you know how it looks to obsess over another country's politics on an architecture forum.
Nov 20, 20 10:31 am ·
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randomised
I’m not obsessed with just another country’s politics, I’m a concerned citizen of the world, your politics is our politics unfortunately...the impact of my well being and the future of the world is directly impacted by whatever the fuck you guys decide and who you choose to invade or who’s election you decide to interfere in...
Nov 20, 20 12:14 pm ·
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SneakyPete
Born on third, tells everyone he hit a triple.
Nov 20, 20 12:15 pm ·
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SneakyPete
I used to use my country of origin to justify my smug sense of superiority. Luckily I graduated middle school and learned that I needed to earn those feelings regardless of my birthplace.
“Imperialism, we learned it from watching you Dutch!” No you didn’t...you learned it from the Brits, all we did is give New York it’s famous attitude :-P
Nov 20, 20 12:26 pm ·
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SneakyPete
The irony here is that if you were just criticizing the government of the US we'd probably all leave the statement unchallenged, since most of us have similar criticisms. But you felt the trumpian need to tar and feather us individually for the sins of our government.
“ Born on third, tells everyone he hit a triple.” I know I’m lucky to be born here, with all the means and opportunities that are attached to that, that’s why I try to spread all that privileged wisdom and knowledge to you unfortunate schmucks across the pond. Just holding up a mirror for you guys to see yourself how the rest of the world sees you...But it is clear that all that saluting to the flag and god bless America bs has produced quite the distorted view of reality across the entire political spectrum.
Nov 20, 20 12:34 pm ·
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randomised
“But you felt the trumpian need to tar and feather us individually for the sins of our government.” That’s your interpretation, if you feel personally tarred or feathered for me critiquing American politics and its nasty nationalism from left to right, that says more about you than it says about me...
Nov 20, 20 12:48 pm ·
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randomised
“ The Dutch East India Company would like a word.” Ah yes, the world’s first multinational company, had more to do with international trade and the invention of capitalism than it did with imperialism by the way...all about them Florins.
Nov 20, 20 12:52 pm ·
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SneakyPete
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"if you feel personally tarred or feathered for me critiquing American politics and its nasty nationalism from left to right, that says more about you than it says about me..."
No. I feel that you are targeting me because you are. You are intentionally using direct language to INDIVIDUALS when you know goddamn well we have only a limited ability to affect our country's foreign policy, you SEE us out demonstrating against those policies, and you still feel the need to criticize individuals. This indicates that you are a shitty person who takes pleasure in directing barbs at individuals. Full stop. Your "rubber and glue" protestations are garbage. You know this. You don't care. Ergo you are a prick.
Imperialism is an inevitable conclusion of unfettered capitalism. Your other observations are the usual irrelevant whataboutisms and passionate flailing about for binary opposites where none are necessary or welcome.
I’m still right though...you vote for people and parties that commit war crimes, that interfere in other countries and overthrow democratically chosen governments, that kill innocent civilians for domestic re-election and power or lower prices at the pump. That’s all on you, not on me...does that make me a prick? So be it...at least I don’t enable mass murder. If you don’t support such policies don’t vote for parties and people that execute such policies, it is that simple...It’s like saying you vote for Hitler because he’s a vegetarian and loves dogs and don’t want anything to do with his concentration camps...it doesn’t work that way. The people you vote for have blood on their hands, you can’t wash that off yours so easily, blood is thicker than that and you know it.
Nov 22, 20 7:38 am ·
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randomised
Sort of...if you vote for American imperialists don’t act surprised when they invade other countries and commit mass murder and do as they promised...
Nov 22, 20 2:01 pm ·
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SneakyPete
You're fucking clueless. Born on third, telling everyone that with enough practice they can hit triple just like you did.
We say we agree with the idea of not being involved in foreign wars. Instead of finding that common ground appealing you ignore it in favor of attacking us for having been born in America and not having the power to immediately change the entire country. That's why you're a prick. Because when given a choice between dialogue and petty personal attacks that take effort to create, you salivate over the chance to demonize individuals for the crimes of their countrys leadership.
Not an illusion: “ The United States relies too heavily on our military might in foreign policy. For more than a decade, our country has been waging active wars in the Middle East. This has left our military tired, with several thousand dead, and many more thousands wounded physically and mentally.
A decade ago, the United States entered into nation building thinking that it would help improve corners of the world that terrorists find opportunistic. Sadly, some of the nation building which our country entered into with genuinely good intentions has backfired. We now know that no matter how sophisticated our military is and no matter how much money we spend, nation building is far more complicated that we originally thought. Additionally, it may likely create more terrorists than it quells.
Imagine if China had a military base in Montana. Or Russia had a military base in Texas. How would Americans feel about that? We would likely feel insulted, oppressed, and mad. Some Americans would likely seek to actively opposed those bases. And the escalation would continue. That is what we have seen in the Middle East with our involvement there.
Libertarians believe that war is justified only in defense. We are opposed to a draft. If a war is just and necessary, Americans of all backgrounds will volunteer to fight it. We believe that a draft enforced by law is no different from slavery.”
Nov 22, 20 2:54 pm ·
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SneakyPete
Minorities in America were promoting the ideals that "libertarian" grifters have been parroting for decades before it was accepted by white folks.
Nov 22, 20 4:19 pm ·
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SneakyPete
So I hope that's what you mean by "we."
Nov 22, 20 4:19 pm ·
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SneakyPete
You steal a bunch of philosophies from social communities that are minority, package them under a bunch of white freedom loving politicians, and then claim because they're "political" they're therefore yours. Classic grifter bullshit.
Nov 22, 20 6:10 pm ·
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randomised
“We say we agree with the idea of not being involved in foreign wars. Instead of finding that common ground appealing you ignore it in favor of attacking us for having been born in America and not having the power to immediately change the entire country. That's why you're a prick. Because when given a choice between dialogue and petty personal attacks that take effort to create, you salivate over the chance to demonize individuals for the crimes of their countrys leadership.”
Not really, whenever I say that Trump is not that bad from a foreigner’s perspective on the scale of the planet and world peace or whatever, all I get is attacked. You, yes you, don’t allow for any discussion or views that don’t align with your narrow tunnel. And when being called out on that you act like the victim here, when you’re nothing but a bully demonising anyone that doesn’t jump in line...like a true Trumper/trooper. If I wouldn’t like a political party for their mass murdering I simply wouldn’t vote for them, you choose otherwise, that’s on you and only on you. You are not after dialogue at all, don’t kid yourself, just trying to wash your hands like Pilates...while enjoying all the perks of being that global super power. I just call out the hypocrisy as I see it.
You don't even know whether you mean me or the country in which I live. Maybe it's a language problem?
Nov 24, 20 11:10 am ·
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randomised
Oh I know...question is do you?
Nov 24, 20 11:43 am ·
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SneakyPete
I know you are but what am I?
Nov 24, 20 11:48 am ·
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randomised
The memories, the fun we had...thanks for this repost from the Autonomous Zone thread! Anything else?
Nov 24, 20 12:47 pm ·
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square.
you're such a clown.
Recent news reports have exposed Dutch involvement in an airstrike in Iraq in June 2015 that killed at least 70 civilians, with the Minister of Defense finally admitting on November 5, 2019 that the ministry had known about the deaths after years of denial.
What do you want from me, what’s your fucking point? I didn’t vote for any of the parties involved during the air strike or the denial. It all happened under duress during the Obama administration, for which you voted I’m sure. You know why the Dutch were there in the first place, forced by you lot...to make your blood for oil invasion look like an international effort. Nice try though...love how people here are learning stuff about Holland just to find things to stick to me, maybe you can throw in an Austin Powers meme or something and be totally woke!
i demand that you, as an anonymous individual, answer for the totality of your country's decisions that lead to innocent civilian bloodshed, on this architecture forum.
Me: "I feel that you are targeting me because you are. You are intentionally using direct language to INDIVIDUALS when you know goddamn well we have only a limited ability to affect our country's foreign policy, you SEE us out demonstrating against those policies, and you still feel the need to criticize individuals. "
You: "I’m still right though...you vote for people and parties that commit war crimes, that interfere in other countries and overthrow democratically chosen governments, that kill innocent civilians for domestic re-election and power or lower prices at the pump. That’s all on you, not on me."
Me: "We say we agree with the idea of not being involved in foreign wars."
square: "Recent news reports have exposed Dutch involvement in an airstrike in Iraq in June 2015 that killed at least 70 civilians, with the Minister of Defense finally admitting on November 5, 2019 that the ministry had known about the deaths after years of denial."
You: "What do you want from me, what’s your fucking point? I didn’t vote for any of the parties involved during the air strike or the denial. "
Sad how you dance and chortle with glee when you get to sling the mud at our Country's leadership with no consideration to the fact that real humans who agree with much of what you believe are at the receiving end of your posts and then cry like a sad, little toddler when someone does the same thing to you.
you vote for mass murderers, I never did...huge difference! so, who's a hypocrite here, sure it's not me as I stay true to my beliefs, morals and principles :-P
Nov 24, 20 5:10 pm ·
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SneakyPete
You assume you know who we all voted for. You also demand we believe you when you say you didn't vote for the assholes who jumped on the bombing bandwagon. You haven't earned the right to assume anything nor have you earned the trust needed to believe you wouldn't lie just to win an argument. So impasses being impasses, I still think you're a prick based in your resolute disinterest in building a coalition of ideas with us and can firmly and finally go get fucked.
Nov 24, 20 6:06 pm ·
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randomised
I’m sure as hell you voted for those mass murderers Pilates, what are you so ashamed of...sorry to call you out but that’s just the way the cookie crumbles. You have no interest in building that coalition at all, you only bring that up now when all is lost and your hypocrisy has been exposed...
Nov 24, 20 6:28 pm ·
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SneakyPete
Whatever you need to tell yourself to look in the mirror without vomiting, I guess.
Nov 24, 20 9:07 pm ·
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randomised
The realisation I’m not you is all it takes :-P
Nov 25, 20 1:51 am ·
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SneakyPete
When you say you do you mean you or YOU? You seem to not know the difference.
Nov 25, 20 11:34 am ·
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square.
It all happened under duress during the Obama administration, for which you voted I’m sure. You know why the Dutch were there in the first place, forced by you lot...to make your blood for oil invasion look like an international effort.
so you've admitted that the dutch are nothing but subservient pawns in america's game, making you and your country complicit in the very imperialism you unsuccessfully tried to distance yourself from.
i've seen enough.
Nov 25, 20 12:23 pm ·
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randomised
Easy for you to say with your nukes and your army...of course the Dutch are pawns in your imperialistic endgame...why else would you occupy us? We are as complicit as hostages being forced to do all kinds of stuff by their hostage takers...whatever bad shit you force us to do, it is all on you! Oh and if only you would have seen enough you wouldn’t be voting the way you do and be so ashamed of the actions your elected officials are pursuing in your name with your personal mandate under their belts...
Nov 25, 20 12:55 pm ·
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SneakyPete
I DO NOT HAVE ANY NUKES OR AN ARMY YOU DISINGENUOUS BLOWHARD.
Nov 25, 20 1:19 pm ·
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SneakyPete
Fixed it for you:
Easy for you to say with AMERICA'S nukes and AMERICA'S army...of course the Dutch are pawns in AMERICA'S imperialistic endgame...why else would AMERICA occupy us? THE DUTCH are as complicit as hostages being forced to do all kinds of stuff by their hostage takers...whatever bad shit AMERICA force THE DUTCH to do, it is all on AMERICA'S LEADERSHIP! THE REST OF THIS IS BULLSHIT MUDDYING THE WATER SO I CAN KEEP FEELING SUPERIOR WHILE AVOIDING THE COGNITIVE STRESS OF SEPARATING THE INDIVIDUALS TO WHOM I AM SPEAKING FROM THE GIANT VILLAIN I HAVE MADE UP IN MY HEAD!
Nov 25, 20 1:21 pm ·
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randomised
But you vote and thereby support that particular leadership and their politics...your hands are not clean, that’s too damn easy. People that voted NSDAP were not innocent either...
Unfortunately, if this turns out true, I think 1/2 the country wouldn’t care as long as trump is out. The woman at about 45mins talks about lots of evidence that they have.
Nov 19, 20 7:57 pm ·
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curtkram
wtf? this is the kind of shit that you allow to form your opinion? just stop.
"They have affidavits from whistleblowers apparently"
Who is "they"? Who are the "whistleblowers"? Why "apparently"? They either do, or they don't. Nothing is "apparent" unless it's shown. Put up or shut up, I say.
Nov 20, 20 1:21 am ·
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square.
there. is. no. evidence.
even tucker carlson is tired of this shit. you're being given permission to move the fuck on.
rando, i actually laughed out loud at your incorrect use of the spongebob meme.
yet another strike against your knowledge of american culture and politics.
Nov 20, 20 11:00 am ·
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SneakyPete
So when the lawsuits all get thrown out or lost can we expect a new culpa from you?
Nov 20, 20 11:06 am ·
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tduds
Given that the Trump lawyers have lost (at least) 31 lawsuits in the past two weeks I suspect quite a bit of it has been, uh, "vetted" as you say.
Nov 20, 20 11:52 am ·
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SneakyPete
So you get to abuse the users of this forum with your bullshit, you get to accuse us all (wrongly), and when the basis for all of that turns out to be wrong, you'll just say it is what it is
Appropriate.
Nov 20, 20 12:17 pm ·
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tduds
It's "possible" that there are bars of gold buried in my backyard, but if I spent as much time out there looking for them as you spend ranting about equally likely hypotheticals in this thread, I'd be institutionalized.
Keep shifting those posts. First it was in person voter fraud, now it's suspicious machines. Spoiler alert: we will agree that Dominion is worthy of investigation but will disagree that it has anything to do with some conspiracy against the soon to be ex president
Hypothetically, if it turns out to be true that there are teapot bears in space trying to sexually assault you jla, would you create the Space Force and arm them with lasers?
I watched that conference with an open mind.
And it is possible that that the election was not legit in some way but if someone really had evidence of extremely dangerous occurrences like nationwide election rigging in the USA, why would you trust it to a particular political party? would you trust the court system, which you know can be corrupt as well? you would probably use a more effective way to get the word out.... this isn't over but the odds of the election getting turned around are practically nil. and by the way, notice they never call for a new election, only changing the result, which also a clear signal that is bullshit.
"rando, i actually laughed out loud at your incorrect use of the spongebob meme. yet another strike against your knowledge of american culture and politics." You're welcome but I'm simply using that meme against you, you still have a long way to go square.
This thread used to be fun(-ish). Now it's just people ignoring reality, repeating the same things, trashing each other's nationalities, and calling each other names ... oh and some sexism thrown in for good measure.
Never read Ayn Rand, am reading the Dalai Lama however and ‘How To Be Compassionate’
Nov 25, 20 1:14 pm ·
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SneakyPete
Does it have a chapter on treating people well while disagreeing with their governments? Or does it say "be sure to lump everyone into a category based on whatever thing connects them that you hate and then browbeat them with it until they decide you're an asshole?"
It makes me ill, that a troglodyte brings up a great man like Malcom, and only focuses on out of context quotes, without acknowledging the relevant context, or that the beloved minister evolved, is gross beyond words.
Nov 25, 20 2:08 pm ·
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b3tadine[sutures]
"He dropped the Black Muslims’ line of promoting black capitalism, in a way which Breitman shows must have been deliberate and considered — though he never openly argued against it, and never came out clearly with an alternative.
He denounced capitalism: “You can’t have capitalism without racism... You can’t operate a capitalistic system unless you are vulturistic; you have to have someone else’s blood to suck to be a capitalist...” He told Breitman’s comrade Harry Ring that he “felt it necessary for his people to consider socialist solutions to their problem. But as the leader of the movement, he said, it was necessary to present this concept in a way that would be understandable to his people and would not isolate him from them”."
Ayn Rand was waste of flesh, wrote some fiction, had little impact on anyone worth talking about, was wrong about everything, and sucked the teat of socialism when it suited her. In other words; a typical, good for nothing, Libertarian whore.
Nov 25, 20 2:32 pm ·
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randomised
“Does it have a chapter on treating people well while disagreeing with their governments? ”
It’s about the fact that negative emotions such as anger will only cause more anger. Therefore I will always try to treat people well when pointing out their supporting of mass murdering American imperialist pigs. So the book is basically a lesson about your American imperialism (by the people that you vote for so passionately) and how you bully the world in fulfilling your needs at the expense of others and that that will never really satisfy and only cause more hurt.
“Or does it say "be sure to lump everyone into a category based on whatever thing connects them that you hate and then browbeat them with it until they decide you're an asshole?"”
Not everybody is lumped into that category, but people like yourself who vote for warmongering imperialistic mass murderers are in it obviously. I can really recommend the book, such negative connotations and emotions as to calling people an asshole will only make you suffer more and get more anger in return and won’t bring you any further or open a peaceful dialogue. Namaste!
Nov 25, 20 3:04 pm ·
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b3tadine[sutures]
I'm an equal opportunity whore caller; laxative, you're a whore, Paul Ryan is a whore, Trump is a whore. John Paul II is a whore. They all sucked the same teat.
Nov 25, 20 3:15 pm ·
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SneakyPete
YOU. DON'T. KNOW. WHO. I. VOTE. FOR.
Nov 25, 20 4:40 pm ·
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SneakyPete
And calling you an asshole isn't harming to my health, unless the truth is harmful.
Nov 25, 20 4:40 pm ·
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randomised
Now you're even shouting, think of your blood pressure! And I do know who you vote for, it's called deductive reasoning...you vote for mass murdering American imperialists that support the military industrial complex.
I might be a prick but I’m right and you vote for mass murdering American imperialists that support the military industrial complex who wage illegal wars all over the planet, I’d rather be the prick...
Yeah you are... “One indication of moral progress in the United States would be the replacement of Thanksgiving Day and its self-indulgent family feasting with a National Day of Atonement accompanied by a self-reflective collective fasting.”
Nov 27, 20 2:24 am ·
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randomised
But you just be you SP, totally fits with who you vote for: supporting mass murder abroad and genocide at home...
You fuckers don't like it when whataboutisms get used on you, but you sure do love to shove them into your posts any chance you get. I'm just here to point out the HYPOCRACY.
Nov 27, 20 12:55 pm ·
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SneakyPete
Hilarious.
Nov 27, 20 12:55 pm ·
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randomised
If the shoe fits...go fuck off with your whataboutery, go celebrate some genocide and vote for mass murderers SneakyPilates...namaste hahaha!
Honestly, the Dutch are such a pompous, insignificant little tit of a country, all they can do is punch up. It's a good thing we sent them McDonald's and KFC, without it, the spiciest thing they'd have to eat, and probably the most interesting culinary feat, is that damn cookie. I mean the most relevant things that Holland is known for are things they stole from other countries, blue painted ceramic, China, flowers, Turkey, painting, Italy, slave trade in the western world, they invented that. I mean America wouldn't be America if it wasn't for the failings of Dutch "diplomacy" and their bending over for Adolf. America may be responsible for bombing countries, more than half of America disagrees with, but who in Holland is going to hold their country accountable for Rem and the Dutch working with tyrants and dictators throughout the world? Not the Dutch of course, their cowardice is well known.
Sure SP, whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night...I wouldn’t be able to if I’d vote for mass murderers and imperialists like you do. What’s your secret, narcotics or alcohol or both like b3ta?
Nov 30, 20 2:24 am ·
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b3tadine[sutures]
Naw, neither, racist slave trader, imperialist OG. I forget, do they allow you to vote in Holland, or does the Queen not allow that?
Nov 30, 20 5:47 am ·
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randomised
*neither racist nor slave trader nor imperialist OG. There fixed it for ya!
And fyi when I vote I don't vote for imperialist mass murderers as you do by supporting Dronebama, Killary and GI Joe Biden...all that blood on your hands, your keyboard must be a freakin' mess!
I see you human market trader. You might be able to paste over good tasting food with whatever suffices as sustanence in that northern European country, but you can't whitewash your history. All that paste in your hands, your djick must be a ramshackle of nubbin. I'd go on about the blood of the Dutch, but I haven't found that you have a pulse...sad, really sad about the Dutch, they were never great.
Nov 30, 20 8:07 am ·
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randomised
The only fact here is that how you personally vote b3ta, you support imperialism, war crimes and mass murder. You can try to pin Dutch failings on me personally, but I've never supported any mass murder or imperialism with my vote. You have and continue to do so...
You get such glee from being a prick. What a prick.
Nov 30, 20 11:02 am ·
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randomised
I wish I didn't have to be...
Nov 30, 20 11:13 am ·
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SneakyPete
Spoiler alert: You don't.
Nov 30, 20 11:49 am ·
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randomised
Of course I have to, I wouldn't be able to look myself in the mirror if I didn't rub your face in it time and time again that you're supporting war criminals, mass murderers and imperialists with your vote. You know just as well that silence or neutrality on such pressing matters always supports the oppressor/aggressor!
Nov 30, 20 12:06 pm ·
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SneakyPete
You are a disingenuous prick. I know it gives you a chub to pretend to be better, but you're still just a pathetic, lying prick.
But unfortunately there is no hard evidence to back up the stealing, I haven’t seen it at least. So they either didn’t do it or they are getting away with it...
Nov 25, 20 2:48 pm ·
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b3tadine[sutures]
Yeah. Rasmussen. Incredibly accurate.
Nov 25, 20 3:52 pm ·
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curtkram
jla, i don't think we're doing "deplorables" any more. edward nortan had a very informative tweet where he introduced the new moniker "10-ply-super-soft bitch." i hope that's more palatable for yours and volunteer's tribe. https://twitter.com/EdwardNort...
Volunteer, I saw someone else post that stat but they could not back it up with a link, and I couldn't find it online. I don't believe it for a second, unless they are including gerrymandering, kneecapping the postal service, removing polling stations where people are likely to vote Democratic, and other actions that benefit Republicans. But if it's legitimate I'd like to know.
Protip: When a media outlet chooses to use the word "Whoa" in a headline, question it's bias and journalistic integrity.
The poll the article cites was conducted by Rasmussen. They don't mention this stat in their own write-up, and the polling data is hidden behind a paywall so I'm not able to directly verify it, nor the question (which may or may not be misunderstood/leading). I'm not finding other news sources to corroborate what the article is stating, though it is notable that Rasmussen retweeted a similar article quoting the first indicating that the polling data backs it up. However, Rasmussen isn't regarded as a high quality pollster so I'd treat it with skepticism until other polling agencies start to see the same type of data. As far as what I can find, this is simply one data point, which may be misrepresenting reality reported on by a less than factual and extremely biased media outlet.
My comment that you're quoting was in reference to media corroboration. I've seen the one article you posted pulling out the "30% of Democrats" number that you're fixating on as proof of something. The article that Rasmussen tweeted wasn't corroboration because it was simply quoting the first. In other words, if the 30% was all that notable, you'd find many media outlets reporting on it from lots of different political biases. So far there seems to be only one, with one more that is copy/pasting that one, and a polling firm tweeting about the second. That there isn't wide media corroboration calls into question the validity of the claim being made by the one outlet pushing the narrative. The fact that that same media outlet is regarded as extremely biased, has been found to fail fact checking, and is regarded as questionable means that you probably shouldn't give much weight at all to the claim until it is corroborated by other reputable news sources. Beyond that, your claim that the poll calls into question Biden's election is very far from reality.
The poll doesn't call into question Biden's election at all ... that's your own perceptual bias of the data coming through. The data indicates that a portion of people think the election was stolen from Trump (something plenty of media outlets have reported by referencing this poll and others). You are simply cherry picking the data from one poll (30% of Democrats think the election was stolen from Trump) to support your belief that the election was fraudulent ... something with no evidence to support it (people's beliefs expressed to pollsters is not evidence regardless of their political affiliation). What the poll does call into question is the validity of polling people's beliefs as a way to ascertain the reality of events. It also calls into question the general education of the American electorate but that's something else entirely.
Nov 27, 20 2:59 pm ·
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curtkram
how about the federal appellate courts that keeping kicking out his frivolous lawsuits? i like to think they're pretty middle of the road and not too biased.
Twitters new censor: “As a queer women of color who is an Asian American in tech in rural America, that experience is a very intersectional one." (Her verbatim words)
Dunno, I would start her out in a remedial writing course.
Nov 27, 20 11:27 am ·
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b3tadine[sutures]
Libertarians are classified in DSM-5
Nov 27, 20 1:45 pm ·
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b3tadine[sutures]
You mean how "Twitters" is spelled incorrectly? You racist, misogynist hump.
Oh, is that what that idiotic, outdated, and pathetically abused flag is called?
Nov 29, 20 11:22 am ·
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SneakyPete
Again, the ADJECTIVE describes the NOUN.
Nov 29, 20 1:17 pm ·
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SneakyPete
The question is based on a flawed premise. I don't fight straw men. You are, as usual, begging the question. You're a bundle of logical fallacies. You are a human-shaped waste of time.
Nov 29, 20 2:12 pm ·
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SneakyPete
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I had you on ignore for years, you tiny intellect. Thanks for giving me the impetus for doing it again. The entire forum thanks you, since my replies to you seem to only cause you to double down on your abject stupidity and tenacious ignorance.
I think the medical marijuana farce is sad. This country needs the farcical step of pretending that it's about medicinals to get to the logical step of decriminalizing and then legalizing what has historically been used to control and punish people the state finds problematic. Typical hand wringing bullshit.
Stumbled upon this and thought some of you might be interested in reading this:
“Something very strange happened in America’s democracy in the early hours of Wednesday November 4 and the days that followed. It’s reasonable for a lot of Americans to want to find out exactly what.
First, consider some facts. President Trump received more votes than any previous incumbent seeking reelection. He got 11 million more votes than in 2016, the third largest rise in support ever for an incumbent. By way of comparison, President Obama was comfortably reelected in 2012 with 3.5 million fewer votes than he received in 2008.
Trump’s vote increased so much because, according to exit polls, he performed far better with many key demographic groups. Ninety-five percent of Republicans voted for him. He did extraordinarily well with rural male working-class whites.
He earned the highest share of all minority votes for a Republican since 1960. Trump grew his support among black voters by 50 percent over 2016. Nationally, Joe Biden’s black support fell well below 90 percent, the level below which Democratic presidential candidates usually lose.
Trump increased his share of the national Hispanic vote to 35 percent. With 60 percent or less of the national Hispanic vote, it is arithmetically impossible for a Democratic presidential candidate to win Florida, Arizona, Nevada, and New Mexico. Bellwether states swung further in Trump’s direction than in 2016. Florida, Ohio and Iowa each defied America’s media polls with huge wins for Trump. Since 1852, only Richard Nixon has lost the Electoral College after winning this trio, and that 1960 defeat to John F. Kennedy is still the subject of great suspicion.
Midwestern states Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin always swing in the same direction as Ohio and Iowa, their regional peers. Ohio likewise swings with Florida. Current tallies show that, outside of a few cities, the Rust Belt swung in Trump’s direction. Yet, Biden leads in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin because of an apparent avalanche of black votes in Detroit, Philadelphia, and Milwaukee. Biden’s ‘winning’ margin was derived almost entirely from such voters in these cities, as coincidentally his black vote spiked only in exactly the locations necessary to secure victory. He did not receive comparable levels of support among comparable demographic groups in comparable states, which is highly unusual for the presidential victor.
We are told that Biden won more votes nationally than any presidential candidate in history. But he won a record low of 17 percent of counties; he only won 524 counties, as opposed to the 873 counties Obama won in 2008. Yet, Biden somehow outdid Obama in total votes.
Victorious presidential candidates, especially challengers, usually have down-ballot coattails; Biden did not. The Republicans held the Senate and enjoyed a ‘red wave’ in the House, where they gained a large number of seats while winning all 27 toss-up contests. Trump’s party did not lose a single state legislature and actually made gains at the state level.
Another anomaly is found in the comparison between the polls and non-polling metrics. The latter include: party registrations trends; the candidates’ respective primary votes; candidate enthusiasm; social media followings; broadcast and digital media ratings; online searches; the number of (especially small) donors; and the number of individuals betting on each candidate.
Despite poor recent performances, media and academic polls have an impressive 80 percent record predicting the winner during the modern era. But, when the polls err, non-polling metrics do not; the latter have a 100 percent record. Every non-polling metric forecast Trump’s reelection. For Trump to lose this election, the mainstream polls needed to be correct, which they were not. Furthermore, for Trump to lose, not only did one or more of these metrics have to be wrong for the first time ever, but every single one had to be wrong, and at the very same time; not an impossible outcome, but extremely unlikely nonetheless.
Atypical voting patterns married with misses by polling and non-polling metrics should give observers pause for thought. Adding to the mystery is a cascade of information about the bizarre manner in which so many ballots were accumulated and counted.
The following peculiarities also lack compelling explanations:
1. Late on election night, with Trump comfortably ahead, many swing states stopped counting ballots. In most cases, observers were removed from the counting facilities. Counting generally continued without the observers
2. Statistically abnormal vote counts were the new normal when counting resumed. They were unusually large in size (hundreds of thousands) and had an unusually high (90 percent and above) Biden-to-Trump ratio
3. Late arriving ballots were counted. In Pennsylvania, 23,000 absentee ballots have impossible postal return dates and another 86,000 have such extraordinary return dates they raise serious questions
4. The failure to match signatures on mail-in ballots. The destruction of mail-in ballot envelopes, which must contain signatures
5. Historically low absentee ballot rejection rates despite the massive expansion of mail voting. Such is Biden’s narrow margin that, as political analyst Robert Barnes observes, ‘If the states simply imposed the same absentee ballot rejection rate as recent cycles, then Trump wins the election’
6. Missing votes. In Delaware County, Pennsylvania, 50,000 votes held on 47 USB cards are missing
7. Non-resident voters. Matt Braynard’s Voter Integrity Project estimates that 20,312 people who no longer met residency requirements cast ballots in Georgia. Biden’s margin is 12,670 votes
8. Serious ‘chain of custody’ breakdowns. Invalid residential addresses. Record numbers of dead people voting. Ballots in pristine condition without creases, that is, they had not been mailed in envelopes as required by law
9. Statistical anomalies. In Georgia, Biden overtook Trump with 89 percent of the votes counted. For the next 53 batches of votes counted, Biden led Trump by the same exact 50.05 to 49.95 percent margin in every single batch. It is particularly perplexing that all statistical anomalies and tabulation abnormalities were in Biden’s favor. Whether the cause was simple human error or nefarious activity, or a combination, clearly something peculiar happened.
If you think that only weirdos have legitimate concerns about these findings and claims, maybe the weirdness lies in you.”
Patrick Basham is director of the Democracy Institute.
If you google Patrick Basham his primary claim to fame is decades of work as a Pro-Tobacco lobbyist, so maybe not the most - uh - "neutral" figure here.
Nov 30, 20 1:23 pm ·
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randomised
Or “How to Steal an Election”...who knows?
Nov 30, 20 1:24 pm ·
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tduds
Lots of people know. The election wasn't stolen and there isn't any credible evidence to suggest it was. Stop repeating bullshit.
I've been seeing bits and pieces of this being posted by those who believe the election was stolen. My favorite part is the # of counties vs # of votes. Yep. OK.
Can someone refresh my memory: In the last election, where democrats also this hell-bent on trying to find the "truth"?
EA, it’s not hard to cite sources, you’re doing an excellent job ;-)
Nov 30, 20 3:42 pm ·
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randomised
I’m just posting it to, you know, inform you all of other angles and perspectives. The mainstream angle is just accepted as is, eaten up with a spoon, like Colin Powell’s weapons of mass destruction. You might be forced into an illegitimate presidency just like you were forced into an illegal war (waving at you square.)...And you all can’t seem to be bothered all too much because this time it is your preferred candidate that apparently drew the longer end of the stick. Just knowing America’s dirty past and present with interfering in elections world wide, why is it so hard for people to consider interference at home by the same powers that be, the same powers that are supposed to make sure the elections are run clean...Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence
jla, I'm curious if you can point to three posts here on archinect (any thread) from the past three weeks that you think are factually challenged coming from the "left." Please provide evidence (as I have) that they are misleading.
I've got my three as follows (all from Politics Central):
randomised's Nov 30th post copy/pasting Patrick Basham's misleading article. You can find my rebuttal in the replies.
Volunteer's post (Nov 29th?) that was removed citing the Johns Hopkins research on the CDC numbers concerning excess deaths due to COVID. You can find my rebuttal in my comment history.
Volunteer's post (Nov 27th?) that was removed citing the Rasmussen poll concerning the number of Democrats that think the election was fraudulent. You can find my rebuttal in my comment history.
I didn't call for shit, I simply stated an observation based on my experience. Are you suggesting that Volunteer should be banned? That's what it seems like you are saying.
I'd even allow you to use Non's post claiming Thanksgiving was in October as misleading based on context, but it's neither factually-challenged, nor from the left ... so unfortunately, it won't likely work.
You know exactly what you did SP by hinting at other forums and their policies, you’d never post that if it was e.g. square. or b3ta reposting previously censored content and you know it all too well, don’t kid yourself...
Hey now, what did I do? My thanksgiving post was well positioned as attempt to inject some humour. It's not like I tripled-down like a certain other "stellar" norther-european student did recently.
“I didn't call for anyone to be banned, but you did.”
I took your (way too obvious) hint and ran with it...just to show the consequences of your post. Can’t even admit you wanted Volunteer banned, what a cowardly dick move...
Nov 30, 20 5:32 pm ·
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SneakyPete
I stated an experience. You refuse to own what you said after. Prick.
random, I did read it, and two things came to mind; you and I are neither of the people described, i'll tell you to your face you're a cunt - with all the british I can muster, because if there's one thing I know, brits know how to call em' - and you're not a djick, you're what is referred to as a ^
Nov 30, 20 5:47 pm ·
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randomised
You stated that experience for one reason and one reason only...whatever you try to tell yourself, you know exactly why you brought it up there...username checks out!
It's still here. It's also more than 3 weeks old, but I'll allow it.
In fact, I recall you posting some stupid Shapiro video that was misleading because he was taking anonymous hearsay on reddit (or something) as fact rather than the multiple first-hand accounts, attributable to actual people and journalists, that contradicted him. I rebutted you there and you can find it in my comment history. That's 4 for me. Try again.
Remember the task you have is to point to misleading or non-factual claims from the left ... not give me more to add to my list.
Again, I urge you to point to the instances you're alluding to. If b3ta said police were hunting down black people, you should be able to find it and cite it. And so on for the rest of your complaints. You're spending time creating straw men rather than pointing to anything concrete. If you point to something concrete, I'll happily flag the post for you and comment that it is misleading and should be hidden. Or you know, you could do it.
This whole concept that conservatives have (and I'm lumping you in there) that flagging content needs to be equal to both sides is ridiculous because they aren't realizing that both sides are not equally spreading misinformation. 100 Trump tweets got flagged, 0 Biden tweets got flagged means ... *checks notes* ... Trump posts misleading information and Biden doesn't, not that big tech is part of a deep state conspiracy against conservatism.
The shitty men list was taken down, so not an example of unbiased censorship and no points for you.
Also, I'm not asking you to comb through past threads, you're doing that on your own. I asked you to point to three within the past three weeks. Which you can't even come close to.
Dec 1, 20 1:44 pm ·
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tduds
Conversely, you're allowed to say nothing. Readers are capable of critical thinking. Don't need a 50 post tirade on every bit of minutia.
I've been posting much less since October (been online less in general), mostly a side-effect of having a full plate again, but also has been good for my mental state. I'd recommend you try it.
Nothing can be "100%" debunked or confirmed, sometimes even when experienced directly. Such is the malleability of perception and memory. Such also is the nature of conspiracy theories: any information that challenges the theory becomes, to the believer, part of the conspiracy. Understanding that is a step towards understanding that filtering information is not always "censorship" but often an important part of maintaining a coherent consensus of reality.
lol, the posts in question did not stand up to scrutiny. They were eviscerated, and then hidden (still available to anyone who registers with the website). They were only removed as a byproduct of the user getting upset about it and reposting it again so as to avoid it being associated with the previous scrutiny.
At this point, what would you rather have? Would you rather have a petulant child to be able to continuously repost the same thing over and over again, spamming us all with their misleading and error-filled posts without suffering any consequences? At what point does his freedom to post garbage conflict with my freedom to participate on a website free of garbage? Who's individual freedom should win out? Seems like the website owner gets to make that call, no?
tduds, looks like you didn't have to wait a few days to see it all over again.
Refusing to bake a cake because of a customer's sexual orientation is discrimination against a protected class. AFIK education and/or ability to think critically is not a protected class under anti-discrimination law. If you want to lobby congress to make being stupid a protected class, by all means, proceed. Then we can have the discussion on equal footing where the question would be, do companies have the right to discriminate against stupid people?
Politics Central
Donald Trump famously said that George Bush's decision to invade Iraq was "the single worst decision ever made by the US Government". There has not been a more honest statement by a US President in the past 100 years and probably will not be topped for the next 100 years. While Bush and Cheney have the most responsibility for the carnage, Barak Obama and Joe Biden were in office for the last eight years of the useless wars and did little to stop them. Trump did put an end to them and did so over the objections of the generals.
Right. Sure. Except facts. Obama pulled out of Iraq, started his run for office being against the Iraq war. North Korea is more of a threat. Iran is out of the agreement made with Obama, because of Trump's actions. Europe is destabilized because of Trump. China is twitching because of Trump. The biggest threats to our stability are global climate change, and the pandemic, all abandoned by Trump. This is too easy. You're too simple.
Obama didn't sit idly by. But I'm confused, are hoping that Obama just willy-nilly wander into global wars, or were you hoping for some magic to occur. In all cases, Obama rightfully put the decisions on whether or not we start bombing Assad into Legislative hands, Article 1. As for Ukraine, they were not in NATO, were always going to be threatened by Russia, as their long history suggests. Lastly, what has Trump done? Back rubs from Putin? We took out an Iranian leader, something to hang your hat on, while Kim launches ever more increasing shots across Japan.
What is it you're looking for? A unitary executive, and a Congress not held accountable for the powers precisely placed in their hands?
"Right. Sure. Except facts." A+
B E N G H A Z I
BUTTER HE MALES
I do agree that Trump (with Kusher's backhanded deals etc.) was not bad for Middle East politics. Obviously, he built on the strong framework left by Obama and Biden. He could've fucked it all up but didnt.
However, regarding China - he made them more powerful by dividing the country further and making us weaker. Same with his backhanded deals with India, Turkey, Japan etc etc.
The gist of all of this is that while he was focused on making deals with other countries in the name of world peace, he literally left the US to die with COVID, inspiring racial violence and division. This is why I am glad he is out and hope he never comes back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Sydney Powell is the attorney for Michael Flynn. Her firm replaced his original lawyers which were in the tank for the DOJ and saved his bacon. She is now on the Trump voting case and hopefully will be able to bring the case to the Supreme Court. Seems like if what she is saying isn't true she could face sanctions.
at some point it has to be embarrassing posting stuff like this. think about how bad any given election would have to be for the supreme court to change the will of voters. the precedent set would be that the supreme court would end democracy and the state's rights to run elections and send delegates to the electoral college.
Flynn, the guy who plead guilty, and who then later had the DOJ - who you seem to think were in the tank against Flynn - try to drop charges, and the Judge essentially told them to go grab their ankles; those are the geniuses repping for Trump? This will be good. Popcorn won't be enough.
Do you just randomly toss shit into a blender, and spit this like Vanilla Ice spits rhymes?
All right stop
Collaborate and listen
Ice is back with my brand new invention
Something grabs a hold of me tightly
Flow like a harpoon daily and nightly
That’s my jam!
I’m sure that UDS attended a vanilla ice show or 2 in their early days.
More likely other way around ;-)
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/04/georgia-election-machine-glitch-434065
Interesting
http://tylervigen.com/view_correlation?id=251
Interesting
Call me a luddite, but I see no reason to use anything other than simple paper ballots, ever.
I'm not even sure what the point of the article is. The only claim they are making is that an update to the software occurred and it delayed voting, which was then extended. It was perhaps unusual, but there isn't any claim that this means there were votes not counted or anything. Both counties affected (Morgan County and Spalding County) went for Trump with similar numbers as they did in 2016.
What's so interesting about this?
Do your own homework and cite your sources.
The hypocrisy is funny. Not my president, Russia stole the election, illegitimate president, collusion collusion...etc x 4 years. Now whaaaa they are undermining the legitimacy of democracy...whaaaa...That’s why the arguing will never stop. Hypocrisy annoys people more than anything and like I said above the two parties are in a twilight zone hypocrisy loop.
and you float above it all, filled with hot air
I'm trying to see the hypocrisy. Maybe I need to get higher.
love seeing xlax shape shift from "trump will win hands-down" grifter to minority-party-hyper-troll before our eyes.
is this a real question? you know less about politics than i gave you credit for.
https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Majority_Minority_Leaders.htm
The first one was fraudulent. Russia did intervene. The second one was attempted theft, as evidenced by USPS, the minions calling for the ending of vote counting, and trying to criminalize mail in voting. So where is the hypocrisy? As for Biden's event, are you cognitively impaired? The people who attended were in cars, in a fucking parking lot. Not like fat boy, who holds an event at the White House. Shouldn't you be off to the Four Seasons?
"you can’t make this shit up."
Apparently, you can.
"some liberal tweets = my understanding of the totality of reality"
i truly feel for people like you who are unable to celebrate and immediately begin whining, complaining, and groaning as soon as possible. it must be a pretty miserable existence. there's a lot not to love about biden, but holy shit removing trump is one of the most consequential events of our life time, especially for the planet.
if you are as "independent" as you claim, stop being so goddamn insufferable and breathe for a minute.
*ignores and keeps incoherently rambling about cereal*
later, man.
Computers use logic. Humans are infected by emotion even when they think they're being rational. Stop saying "logic" when you mean "thought process" and stop pretending your thought process is any more immune to bias than anybody else's.
I really don't understand how ya'll keep up with him...it's commendable in it's own right
Not even sure why I'm posting this, but here we are.
The issue in 2016 was never about whether Trump was elected by a fair election process. He was. You can find Dems that would claim it wasn't "fair" that the winner of the popular vote didn't win, but that's how our elections process works. Claims of Russian interference stopped short of claiming that votes were changed or fabricated. In fact, most media outlets and politicians were going out of their way to point out that the voting process was not tampered with. At most it was a claim that people were misled by misinformation or fabrications (i.e. fake news) ... but the foundation of the democracy, that the people give the leaders power through the voting process, was never in doubt (except for Trump's own claim that 3 million illegal immigrants voted for Clinton, of which there has never been any evidence to support it).
The issue in 2020 is that Trump is claiming there has been widespread voter fraud (with no evidence to support it), and that does undermine the electoral process which ultimately undermines the foundation of democracy. So this isn't even close to a valid whataboutism for 2020's claims compared to 2016's claims of "not my president." The only person undermining democracy, in both cases, has been Trump. So there's no hypocrisy here because Dems, with their claims of Russian collusion, were never undermining the electoral process like they are saying Trump is now.
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"I really don't understand how ya'll keep up with him..."
How is easy. It's why that continues to elude me.
Hypocrisy doesn't undermine the legitimacy of a politician. It might undermine their credibility or their likability, but their legitimacy is founded in the election that put them in power. The only one trying to undermine that legitimacy is Trump and those who follow him.
Xlax keeps using hypocrisy, the better word for Trump and his ilk is; duplicitous.
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There are a ton of reasons why 2020 is different from 2016 but I'm kinda busy this week so instead of trying in vain to craft my own response that you'll inevitably dismiss I'm going to post funny memes and occasional good analyses that other people write as I come across them. Stay tuned.
Kind of a digression but it's very funny to me that you're so obviously googling things on the fly and posting whatever results come up since you can't be bothered (or don't know how) to scrub the link into a correct URL.
One of his links further below shows it was from Ben Shapiro's facebook page. Great source of news! Where was the link he posted that said that people who get the majority of their news from social media are less informed overall?
When one person does something, and then a different person does something in contradiction to the first person. It's "hypocrisy" because both of those people are "Liberals."
Also I decided they're Liberals neither of them said it.
Mark my words if credible evidence comes out that foreign interference somehow tipped the election *for* Biden, I'll eat my hat. In all likelihood (and I'll pre-emptively admit this is pure conjecture and I have no factual backup for it) any interference was designed to help Trump but it failed.
I'm still waiting for xlax to take my offer on his bet.
There was indeed attempted fraud in Pennsylvania.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry...
incredible. what was all that about evidence, facts, and logic?
Playing off of tduds conjecture ... any interference could have succeeded in helping Trump while also failing to give him the victory. I've seen talk about the red shift along the Texas border because of Spanish-language targeted misinformation. I'm not saying it was coming from a foreign actor, but just pointing out that success and failure might depend on how you look at it.
A lot of Russia's interference in 2016 was seen as simply trying to undermine confidence in the electoral process. Judging by what we are seeing 4 years later, this could be seen as successful based on the stuff Volunteer and jla are posting.
You guys act like the Dems are above corruption
no, we don't. we just act like equating both political parties with vague abstractions that have little basis in reality is irresponsible.
"They trolled online [on behalf of a specific candidate, with the knowledge and tacit approval of said candidate]." Important omission.
What happens when the puppet becomes sentient yet never questions whose hand is up its ass?
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it's up to the election commissioners in each county to investigate their elections. they do that. it's happening. if there is a specific county, maybe even three, that seems to have screwed up and tried to cover it up instead of fixing it, then let's get an outside agency involved. don't fill the courts with frivolous lawsuits with no evidence because you're a sore loser.
Spoke too soon curtkram. Apparently Bill Barr wants to get the DOJ involved in the investigations. NYT is also reporting that this has caused Richard Pilger the top DOJ official who oversees investigations of voter fraud to resign.
For posterity:
Seems like the Dems would want the Supreme Court to look into the issues and bolster their case by their findings of nothing there. Why not?
Bring a case. Smart guy.
I sometimes call up the courts to make them prove I didn't murder anyone. No one said I did, but it's good to be sure.
Well, you murdered me with that comment. So....
"Hillary Clinton dismissed President Donald Trump as an “illegitimate president” and suggested that “he knows” that he stole the 2016 presidential election in a CBS News interview to be aired Sunday."
OK for Hillary to call Trump an illegitmate president, but not OK for Trump supporters to request a recount of the vote and ask questions and file lawsuits for the courts to decide?
Cite your sources.
edit: Nevermind, I saw jla's link dump above.
If HRC wants to claim Trump is illegitimate, fine. She wasn't there on Jan 20, 2017 waiting for the Chief Justice to swear her in, so I don't think she really intended on following through with it. If she can prove it, she should get her chance, though it's a little too late.
Same goes for Trump and his followers now. If he wants to claim there is some issue with the election and that Biden isn't legitimate, fine. Back it up with evidence and get the courts to rule in his favor. Otherwise it all seems like just a bunch of hot air.
Trump himself called the 2016 election illegitimate, questioned the vote numbers, along with having the audacity to claim, illegitimately that his inauguration was attended by more people than Obama's. Yeah, the Birther In Chief did all of that.
Volunteer, here's a difference for you between HRC's claim Trump's 2016 election is illegitimate, and Trump's claim about Biden's in 2020. HRC never got Loretta Lynch to look into claims that had been made in court and dismissed.
"Justice Department investigators are looking into a referral from the Republican Party in Nevada, which claims over 3,000 people who live outside the state voted in its election, the department official said. The official would not say whether the department had opened a full investigation. A federal judge dismissed the claim in court last week." Source
Clinton conceded. Obama and his entire administration facilitated a peaceful transfer of power.
The crucial difference is that they were able to put their personal opinions aside and respect the integrity of the system even when they felt it had failed to reflect the will of the people. Currently, not just Trump but a disturbing proportion of the Republican establishment is casting doubt on the integrity of the system because it did reflect the will of the people.
Direction is as important as amplitude in this case, and the two scenarios are remarkably different.
But if they concede they will never win the presidency again, or something like that...it is not about a rigged election at all for them, they happily accept the senate and Congress results of the same election. Suddenly the people counting those votes are okay. They just know that with a changing demographic and urbanisation they are screwed...
Most beautiful election map I saw was of Arizona: https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/jprzeg/arizona_voting_precincts_and_arizona_native/
And a black voter said, not sure where I saw it on Twitter or imgur, that they’ve come a long way as people, paraphrasing here, they went from picking cotton to picking the president.
Was it this guy?
no, it was Dan Purdy
we need a better devil, because this advocate is shit, just shit.
A+ pun
First, I’m not sure what you all are saying - fraud didn’t happen (you don’t know), fraud couldn’t happen (Why not), or I don’t care about fraud because my guy won???
Second, stop lying. The hypocrisy is clear as day, and you look ridiculous not acknowledging it. Voter propaganda from Russia was lesser than the propaganda and info suppression from big tech.
Third, I’m happy trump is out, just not happy Biden is in. Based on policy, not style or branding, why is a Biden presidency better? I’ll give you the nice feel good speeches (which are written by others FYI), but in terms of policy, what will be better and why?
Fourth, Kamala Harris is an obnoxious and ruthless prosecutor. She’s not kind and woke. I get the black female barrier thing (which no one cares about except the identity fetish group or the actual racists), but other than that, her record shows that she is a terrible human. Why are we celebrating this?
Fifth, I’m not going to put a “not my president” bumper sticker on my car, or riot in the streets (nyc plywood windows can come off btw...no need now that Biden won) or wear a vagina hat like a jackasses crying and flailing on the ground in 2016-17, because it’s dumb.
Typical clowns. Trump can't put one sentence together, and douchenozzles like these two reprobates are casting aspersions. Absolutely love the hypocrisy, yes hypocrisy. No one elected religious leaders, Trump is pro choice, Trump assaulted, raped and is an out and out racist, Trump is bought and sold by Turkey, Russia, and others, and you kkklowns are wondering who owns Biden? Eat a djick magakkklan.
As for the virus, and vaccine, cry me a river snowflake maga; Trump will own the former, and Bidet latter. Trump owns the failure of the wall, immigration, white nationalists, the declining economy, etc. He's a piece of shit, he's going to jail, and with any luck Don Jr. will be on a street corner doling out blow jobs for change.
That's the problem with dipshits like you, you think that white supremacy is all the purview of whites, instead of deeper thinking into the underpinnings. I don't care what handful of black men did, Black Women won this, and I'm going to celebrate them,
you garbage fire.
The only moron denying white supremacy, and the insidious, infrastructural impacts, are dumb asses like you. Not to mention the rampant misogynist, and homophobic attitudes emanating from the men you've underscored as "evidence" of a lack of white supremacy. Get a book. White Supremacist Capitalist Patriarchy is real, and you don't have to be a kkkrazy white ass kkkracker to be one. The sheer dumbfuckkkery.
Epilogue: it's clowns like you that fail to see, acknowledge, and reconcile the past, that are the reason we're in this place. Get back to your color-blind world son, adults are busy doing the work you lazy whites are incapable of doing.
"Are the 20% of black men and 38% or Hispanics..." Dumbfuckkkery.
^^^duuuuuuumbfuckkkery supreme. Talks about agency, then points to all the ways the Grand Wizard buys votes. You ain't got nothing on stupid, you own the whole ship. You're white...omg. The level of fucking stupid. Tell me asshat, when you're done beating your wife, does she say thank you?
^^^keeps saying that people are defective, when I'm saying internalized oppression is real, and homophobia and misogyny is real. Demonstrates you should be first in line for reëducation camps in my Marxist Wonderland.
“Poor kids can be just as [defective] as white kids”...
^^^except you're not a Libertarian.
yeah.. you're still not a libertarian.
so when a woman is aggressive enough to win a few court cases and succeed in politics you feel the need to publicly claim that she's a terrible person? like you needed to post that here because you really need people to know you think strong women are terrible people?
i'm just saying, you could type that all out and not hit enter at the end. like, get it out of your system, but don't put this version of you out in public. this isn't private space.
well would you look at that...a glitch changed the results
https://www.dailywire.com/news/republican-in-michigan-goes-from-loser-to-winner-after-technical-glitch-fixed-officials-urge-confidence-in-system?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro&fbclid=IwAR2SCaIY5QD2beqqqZ7xFbP18V_82tJ8ZjHcGkTUnyA6iguTaqB0s2SxrNE
Meh.
Not sure why it’s hidden, unless it’s been fact checked as wrong. This isn’t the silver bullet jla thinks it is though. I’m not quite sure what he’s trying to point out here anyway. Do things like this happen, yes. That’s why we have the double checks in the process to find and correct these things. Are you suggesting that there are errors like this throughout the results in various states that would be enough to overturn the presidential election results? This is an example of the process working and reinforces the claims that there has not been large scale voter fraud or tampering in the elections.
it's time to (i can't believe i'm saying this) pull a fox news- stop paying attention and shut the shit off.
I've never said I want to keep glitchy software or that people trying to scam the election shouldn't be arrested, and you're not really saying that. You're using it as an excuse to keep doing what you're doing (see the hippo story below) ... but no one is disagreeing that if there is evidence of voter fraud or a rigged election they should be investigated. What I'm saying is so far, without evidence to the contrary, there isn't any there there. Until there is ... you're just a hippo using it's tail as a crop duster.
You're intelligent enough that you can see the articles you're posting aren't pointing to anything unusual, and that the system seems to be working as it normally does. If you want to make larger changes to the voting process and get rid of chances for scamming elections, you'd be spending your time encouraging everyone in Georgia to vote for the two democratic senate candidates in their January runoff election. That will mean that something might actually be done rather than the elections and voting bills languishing on the Senate Majority Leader's desk for the next two years.
"I can't win the game so I am changing the rules." -X-Lax
"I make shit flow." -X-Lax
^^^assertions disguised as fact, is hippo-shit. Thank you for playing.
Deep State: words that have no meaning.
FWIW this dumb shit is hidden for the same reason we all shut down stupid; just because there's water on ground, doesn't mean it's raining. Especially when it's obvious to anyone with half a brain; it's sunny and 70.
Subtle, but did anyone else catch the change when jla went from asserting voter fraud to voter interference to move those goalposts?
If you're suggesting there was voter interference in the form of massive amounts of misinformation, I'm right there with you. If you're suggesting there has been voter interference through coordinated attempts over years to disenfranchise groups of voters by the Republican Party, I'm right there with you.
Don’t people remember the DNC emails and WikiLeaks?
Hippo poop = allegations without evidence and conspiracy theories. You can keep flinging it, just know that is what it is.
I think you're mistaking the former (relief that Trump is on the out) for the latter (enthusiasm that Biden is on the in) and then using that to smugly denigrate happy people. It's pretty annoying, to be blunt.
Well that's dumb.
Honey Badger 2024!
never gets old.
but xlax still isn't a libertarian.
Back to cleaning up the poo with actual journalism. I'm surprised jla isn't embarrassed with how easy it is to fact check these things and point out he's being manipulated to believe things that aren't true.
No, Software Glitches Are Not Affecting Vote Counts (from NYT)
You’re saying the Daily Wire got this one more correct from their extensive research compared to the mainstream media NYT?
So your point, after everything, is that you know nothing and are waiting for people to tell you what to think.
Lots of things *could* be happening. Doesn't mean we need to talk about them.
My mom could be a libertarian. She's not, but she *could* be. I demand you acknowledge this possibility so we don't spend time talking about all of the evidence that contradicts it.
That's not why you are here.
There was, and still is, lots of evidence.
I've got a story reasonably relevant to the discussion above.
When I was much younger, say 12 or so, I was at a zoo in Virginia (the better one, not West) admiring the hippo pond. It was mid summer so temp was hot and humid and it was busy. One particularly large hippo decided it was a a good time to relieve itself in front of the crowd. Little did I know, but hippos tend to use their tails as crop dusters to disperse feces in a wide radius. To add to this, on this particular day, this hippo's discharge was less than solid so the crowd not only got a show, but also a shower of liquid (possibly hot) hippo shit. I was spared any collateral damage due to the tall enclosure barrier but the memory of the smell in the muggy air and visible spray pattern (plus a bunch of fat American tourists running around) still comes back to me from time to time.
The above conversation reminds me of that day.
how so?
Crissy would be a good name for a pet Hippo.
Look, I'm not one to comment negatively on people's appearance, I try hard not to, but that Kelly Loeffler lady has WAY too much hair.
Hair furor.
Overly processed, failed reality show contestant.
Volunteer, she only has 499 million. She donated 1 million to trump's 2020 campaign.
Overly processed, overly wealthy, failed reality show contestant.
too much hair, sell the shares
Of course she has $500000000, but she's still a Trumper Mud Flap.
She's an excellent example for how inheritance stifles motivation much more effectively than the social safety net.
“Funny” how some people mock a person’s appearance or their voice for the sole reason that they have different political opinions...
"hilarious"
Isn't it? It's like there are no other reasons or arguments but those superficial ones, great level of discourse!
Coming from you, that hits especially hard.
You're such a free thinker. It's made clear how much you think for yourself when you use original insults you made up by your big boy self.
Pete, it is totally different in a one on one discussion/argument where insults are flying back and forth than in discussing someone’s politics/policies...I’m sure you realise that.
I'm just here to point out the hypocrisy.
Just pointing out that I didn’t make any comment on Loeffler’s politics. Just her hair. That much hair doesn’t look good on either side of the aisle.
tim cook 2024. you heard it here first
gross
Why gross?
Terry Gross 2024
Another 70+ year old in 2024, why not...
Just thinking about FDR's Four Freedoms speech that were memoralized by Norman Rockwell. A lot of people, like the residents of Portland, OR, are going 0 for 4 these days. Nobody is going 4 for 4. They are The Freedom from Want, the Freedom of Speech, Freedom from Fear, and Freedom of Religion. Now we even have lists being draw up of people who support Trump, even including Supreme Court justices, for a pogrom to begin soon.
Explain to me, you simp, whose religion is being infringed upon?
marx would especially like that first freedom.
Yeah. Trump has had it so rough during his life. And it's everyone else's fault. This country is going down the tubes. If only we'd get behind trump we'd be on the right path. God would love us, we'd be able to say whatever we want, we'd never have to worry about hunger or homelessness, and we'd go to bed secure and unafraid.
Here's where I launch into a multiple post diatrabe about how NOBODY is saying that's good, LEAST OF ALL ME, and that I'm just pointing out that you're being HYPOCRITICAL etc etc etc. Don't worry about it making sense. That's not my job. I'm just here to POINT OUT THE HYPOCRACY ON BOTH SIDES!
But every moment you waste here, failing to convince anyone with your bullshit, is less money you make at work, which makes me feel like it's worth it. So carry on, you wasteful idiot.
Normally, you maga, I would be incredulous at your fundamental duplicitous behavior. A town, one town, early in the pandemic, fined a few people. The Feds backed the lawsuit, and the city later dropped the issue. The Mayor even said citizens wouldn't need to pay the fine. As for Cuomo and nursing homes, you're yet again woefully uninformed, and spewing shit. As for the Ultra Orthodox Jewish community, that is complex situation, one in which both of us lack the nuanced history, or language to grasp. I'll rely on the people on the ground, and not some Trumper.
And volunteer, you think people writing down lists of bad people is somehow new, somehow novel, and must be bad? Your myopia is self inflicted, and results from your tunnel vision. Everything you're afraid the left is doing has been going on for the last four years, and you can't see it because it's in your massive blind spots. I'm not surprised, because you're on my list of idiots to avoid listening to when they spew political opinions. Does my list make me unamerican?
no need for lists- there are magas currently in jail because they attempted to kidnap and murder sitting governors.
again- where's your data?
AP finds most arrested in protests aren’t leftist radicals
https://apnews.com/article/vir...
Very few of those charged appear to be affiliated with highly organized extremist groups, and many are young suburban adults from the very neighborhoods Trump vows to protect from the violence in his reelection push to win support from the suburbs.
the right has cemented itself as the post-truth party.
lord help us all.
so you have no data or evidence regarding one of your favorite talking points.
good to know.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/...(too many trump talking points to count)
Have you ever even been to Portland?
"Would you care to point out any Trump supporter that has made a similar list to target Democrats?"
Cesar Sayoc
"Do you have eyes?"
I do, they were in downtown Portland on Monday. I thought we weren't supposed to trust the narrative the media was pushing?
i'M jUsT hErE tO pOiNt OuT HyPoCrIsY
We literally went over this earlier in this thread when we pointed out that evidence was not supporting the theory that BLM protests were super spreader events while Trump's rallies and other conservative-attended events (like Sturgis) were. The main reasoning was that BLM people stayed outside and wore masks. At the other events that did spread COVID-19, people didn't wear masks in large numbers, and also congregated in bars, etc.
This doesn't mean that the celebrations of Biden's victory won't be super spreader events, we'll have to wait and see what the science says, but if previous events are an indication ... these will likely not be large contributors if people remained outdoors, wore masks, and took other normal common sense precautions.
Conservatives' denial of science is Darwinism in action.
People mad about thing #1: violence. Thing #1 ends: violence ends. Logic? Yes.
As for lists and pogroms ... more hot air from both sides. Giving attention to it, aside to dismiss it as idiotic, is simply ridiculous.
It's a list of things to remember that happen to be names, not a kill list, not anything of import.
"Biden wins, and no need for all that plywood."
In other words, if the fascist wannabe-autocrat is removed from power there's no need to fight the fascist wannabe-autocrat. Duh.
Very funny sentiment to express on Armistice Day.
Your double standards? Yes. I agree. They are.
The idea that one cannot discuss a single topic without constantly addressing every other topic, however unrelated, is very annoying. It's possible, encouraged even, to criticize one person or group without defending another person or group. Your main function throughout this thread (and, dare I say, on Archinect as a whole) has been to derail criticism of one group by mis-construing it as - and then demanding an explanation of - a defense of their main opponent. Knock it off.
Democrats don't need to be good for Republicans to be bad. The "left" doesn't need to be spotless for the "right" to be wrong. The fact that the lesser of two evils is still evil doesn't undo the fact that the greater of two evils is greater.
x-lax is what happens when you distill a troll who cut their teeth in the early 2000's. He's like the everclear of trolls: completely lacking in flavors (except the really nasty chemical ones) but, man, that shit is designed to get you all messed up.
Yes and, as I said, your insistence on shouting the latter everytime someone mentions the former is annoying.
jla's evidence that the "biased media" said something about super spreader events is to pivot to opinion articles about police shootings written by someone with a book to sell on ... wait for it ... the war on cops making everyone less safe.
but but but
.
Loving how NPR is now constantly using phrases like "without presenting evidence" and "stated without proof" and "refusing to accept reality." That's called telling it like it is.
So NPR got bored of politics and moved on to religion...
Naw, they're just reporting the facts. I actually heard a newscaster on NPR say that something was 'untrue' and that someone else's comment was a 'lie'.
"'There's a great human capacity for inventing things that aren't true about elections,' said Frank LaRose, a Republican who serves as Ohio's secretary of state. 'The conspiracy theories and rumors and all those things run rampant. For some reason, elections breed that type of mythology.'"
[...]
"Voting fraud in the United States is extremely rare. The irregularities that do occur are often inconsequential, isolated in nature, and unlikely to alter the outcome of an election. The most significant episode of election fraud over the past several years involved an alleged effort to manipulate ballots to benefit a Republican candidate for Congress in North Carolina, Mark Harris, in 2018. The scheme forced a new election and an operative who worked for Mr. Harris, L. McCrae Dowless, is under indictment. Mr. Harris was not charged with wrongdoing, and denied any role.
"In the case of the 2020 election, Mr. Biden's margins in the blue wall states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin are all in the tens of thousands. Even in Georgia, where Mr. Biden leads by more than 11,000 votes, it would be hard to uncover enough voting irregularities to change who won."
[...]
"Mr. Trump's attack on the election system this year has relied on either outright fabrication or gross exaggeration involving the sorts of small problems that typically come up in elections.
"In Ohio, for instance, Mr. LaRose said that while it was not unusual to discover a handful of improprieties in a statewide election, systemic fraud has not happened.
"'In the past, I've referred people to local prosecutors and the attorney general for noncitizens voting,' he said. 'It's like tens or dozons of people, not hundreds. There's no acceptable level of voter fraud and we take every one of those cases seriously.'"
The Times Called Officials in Every State: No Evidence of Voter Fraud
Not looking good for finding that evidence everyone (read jla and Volunteer) is desperately searching for to support the conspiracy theories.
After his first election Trump was peppered with detailed policy questions
classic trump maga spin. the braincells continue to erode. provide quotes of these "answers," please. we're all still waiting on his healthcare plan, let alone a demonstration of a 5th-grade understanding of what healthcare is from trump
I’m more interested in how Biden has his oatmeal to be honest. Am a banana, blueberry and raspberry guy myself.
"Odd, you should quote the Ohio official. Trump won Ohio 53.4% to 45.2%."
Why is this odd?
Because obviously you're a dogmatic, flaming lefty and therefore when you quote a republican it makes Volunteer short circuit.
I just wanna hear him say it.
I hope he reboots successfully after the forced OS update on Nov. 3.
But if we are to root out possible fraud we should look everywhere. Do you have a problem with asking Ohio? Why do you have a problem looking for fraud in Ohio? Are you suggesting something?
"The Times Called Officials in Every State"
"Every State" includes Ohio.
"the Ohio vote was honest and there was no allegations of fraud there."
Also true for the other 49, based on the evidence above.
I volunteer, that Volunteer, is a lazy mf.
Trump, answering policy questions?
This guy?
Laughable to the extreme.
Is this week infrastructure week? Or are we paying for another trip to a fucking shitty golf course?
I can quote more from the article ...
"The accusations of fraud from the president and his allies were noticeably absent from states where Mr. Trump and his fellow Republicans did well.
"In South Carolina, for instance, the Republican incumbent, Senator Lindsey Graham, won relatively easily over Jaime Harrison, despite the fact that polls showed a tight race there. The South Carolina Election Board chairman John W. Wells said late Monday, 'I have not heard of any' substantive allegations of fraud in the state, though he added he would await a final determination in the certification and protest process.
"Asked if Mr. Graham was concerned about the results in his state, a spokesman said the senator has 'discussed states where the margins are close' but invited South Carolina voters to step forward with any 'evidence of fraud or irregularities.'
"Mr. Graham, a close ally of Mr. Trump, has taken up the president's cause. He asked the Department of Justice to investigate claims made in an affidavit the Trump campaign shared with him from a Postal Service worker in Erie, Pa. The worker made allegations of impropriety at the local Postal branch based largely on a conversation he said he overheard.
"Late Tuesday, the credibility of that affidavit came into question after the House Oversight Committee reported on Twitter that the worker recanted his story in discussions with the Postal Service's Office of Inspector General. The worker later denied he recanted in an online video."
From another article about the recanting of the postal worker's claims ...
"Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, who has urged Mr. Trump to continue to fight the results of the election, sent Mr. Hopkins's affidavit to reporters along with a statement that read in part: 'I will not allow credible allegations of voting irregularities or misconduct to be swept under the rug.' He later acknowledged in a television interview on Sunday that the claims he circulated were unverified."
It’s so laughable those comparisons of political opponents with Hitler, like school kids drawing tiny moustaches in their text books...if people really thought Trump was Hitler they should kill him and not make stupid memes. The guy deserves a Nobel Peace Prize and maybe even re-election, just to spite people...
The idea that Dems would engage in widespread voter fraud in enough states to swing the election, while also losing house races, and not gaining a majority in the Senate is laughable. But yeah, I guess the idea that there was only fraud that happened in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada makes a lot of sense if you don't think about it. Trump and his supporters are really good about not thinking.
Many of the people who have compared Trump to Hitler are historians who study Hitler and elderly European immigrants who lived through his rise in the 30s. If you think the comparison is inaccurate feel free to provide an explanation.
I think a major failure in American education is that we were taught about 1943 Hitler but not 1933 Hitler. Perhaps because a lot of people we were taught are "Great Americans" were suspiciously into 1933 Hitler.
Personally, I wouldn't say Trump is Hitler (He's way too dumb). But I will say that the people who currently support Trump, were they alive in 1930's Germany, would have supported Hitler.
I was reading a pretty decent piece on National Socialism, Nazi, and the parallels are stunning. The one that stuck with me, aside from the obvious Nationalism, was the fact that Socialist part, wasn't for everyone, it was only for those that fit the narrative propagated by Agolf. That right there, in a nut shell, hits all the salient points about Agolf Twitler today. Only his people get Medicare, only his people get bail outs, only his people get mobility carts, only his people get $15 hour in Florida...
"The guy deserves a Nobel Peace Prize and maybe even re-election, just to spite people..."
Thank you for so saliently expressing why I don't think anything you say has any validity or merit.
hearty chuckle at "Agolf Twitler"
AOC is not dumb, any you know that, and you're trolling, and this is another example of why your opinions are worthless.
Way to miss the point.
"Many of the people who have compared Trump to Hitler are historians who study Hitler and elderly European immigrants who lived through his rise in the 30s." In contrast, I highly doubt any Stalinist historians would do more than laugh dismissively at your trollish attempt to compare him to AOC.
Mic check on aisle dumbass. No one liked Stalin, Lenin was the brains, Stalin was in the right place, at the right time. Like Agolf Twitler.
I could go into the differences - both subtle and glaring - between Stalinist theory, Leninist theory, Marxist theory, Socialist theory, Sino-Soviet Communism in practice, Nordic Democratic Soclialism in practice, and American "Democratic Socialism" in its nascent ascendance, but something tells me the nuance would be lost on the audience here.
"Until you guys stop calling 1/2 the country racist and deplorable..." *SOURCES MISSING*
*said no one as they only call-out xlax's bullshit*
i totally agree with the fact that this election is as much on the democrats as people who chose to vote for trump. i'm willing to bet there is a large percentage of trump voters that feel so alienated by the democrat's corporatist policies that they see trump as the only option. i don't agree with, however, giving credence to the entirely bogus conspiracy that the election was rigged. this popular vote margin is set to be one of the largest ever, which is no small statement. the more time you spend parroting this complete garbage, the more you damage your credibility.
that being said- i still don't quite think you're a libertarian yet.
"I said fraud COULD have occurred."
And I've said there COULD be teapot bears in space...
x-jla: "B3, all socialism leads to nationalism and xenophobia."
WTF? Explain yourself.
https://www.mcsweeneys.net/art...
"How does a dead man cast a vote? How does anyone who is not a white male cast a vote? Because we’ve tried pretty hard to stop that, and it doesn’t seem to be working. Plus, dead people can walk through walls. We’re pretty sure that at his peak, Bob was casting 42,000 votes per second."
for jla
Ah yes, the old "Pointing out racism is the real racism" bit. Good one jla
Take it up with the white nationalists, then.
Question that should perhaps be asked, do people dislike Trump so much that they think voter fraud is deemed acceptable? I mean, some people think of him as the reincarnation of Hitler, would you commit voter fraud to keep Hitler out of office? I would...
Here's to remind people of how rotten the Democratic establishment can be:
https://medium.com/the-jist/th...
No.
Correction: DNC Leadership in 2016.
2nd: These are private organizations, and they are not Constitutionally guaranteed.
The Judge was correct; their grievance needs to be addressed by DemSoc taking over the party, and getting rid of the corrupt leadership.
"do people dislike Trump so much that they think voter fraud is deemed acceptable?" No.
Why do you think this is a question worth asking? No one* is making the case for this.
*I'm sure you could probably find some twitter rando with like 18 followers but let's agree that "No One" means no consensus with enough clout or momentum to matter.
That judge was correct that their leadership is corrupt...it clearly shows a pattern, a pattern still relevant to this day. They do anything to get their preferred candidate elected, a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g that's what it shows...At least the Republicans had the decency to run a clean primary and to stand by their winning candidate, even if they in all honesty would have preferred anyone but Trump. Simply shows character, integrity and respect for the democratic process.
... leadership is corrupt... it clearly shows a pattern, a pattern still relevant to this day. They do anything to get their preferred candidate elected, a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g that's what it shows...
At least the Republicans had the decency to run a clean primary
"In February 2019, the Republican National Committee voted to provide undivided support to Trump.[5][6] Several states canceled their primaries and caucuses.[7] Other states were encouraged to use "winner-takes-all" or "winner-takes-most" systems to award delegates instead of using proportional allocation."
I suppose you can't have a corrupt primary if you don't have one at all.
rando is just sore that his call for trump "easily winning" was way off, as usual, regarding anything related to american politics.
Um, as I recall, Bernie was able to have approval of leadership in the party.
I do, for sure. This guy dodges the draft and then shamelessly supports veterans
Because veterans are simply victims of the American warmongering system...the sacrificial lambs in the hunger for world domination, so it makes total sense to dodge being drafted to kill innocent people across the globe and to also support the poor saps that actually had to go to fight in those dirty wars...they go hand in hand.
Meanwhile, why do you care so much while sitting in your socialist utopia? You seemingly enjoyed your Trump reality show, it’s over for the time being...
You make mistakes, sure and the world is paying for them...Really curious where Biden will invade next to ensure a Dem re-election. The world will pay for your domestic politics, with the blood and lives of innocent civilians. If that is a white euro centric world view so be it. And the Trump reality shit show, it’s just getting started...can’t wait to see what rabbit he will pull out of his maga cap next...
We'Re GoInG tO iNvAdE NoRwAy!!11one! so dumb
there might not be more physical invasions, but have no doubt the at-distance-wars have proliferated under trump. not sure yemen falls under your conscience-radar judging from your islamophobic comments, though.
https://www.washingtonpost.com...
Thanks for sharing square, I wasn't aware of this. At-distance-wars has been a trend since at least Obama administration, but in any case, this obviously tarnishes Trumps record on not being a (foreign) warmonger.
certainly not exculpating the obama administration.. like you said the military-industrial project is real, and it will shape every president that sits in the office; to claim trump has done anything different and has been a "peaceful" president is laughable.
bernie said it first, trump followed but is the one still bombing people.
not to mention trump's bungled response to the pandemic has helped killed more americans than all wars combined since vietnam, you partisan hack.
https://www.newsweek.com/coron...
- His fleeting opinion on the Iraq war is inconsequential. https://www.factcheck.org/2016...
- I don't differentiate between American body-bags and foreign body-bags. Civilian casualty is civilian casualty, human is human.
- Pulling out of a conflict you started or partake in is not that simple anymore.
result of a 10 second search. come on man.
Universal Mask Wearing Could Save Some 130,000 Lives In The U.S., Study Suggests
https://www.npr.org/sections/c...
even if you don't buy the fact that it would be possible to make every american wear a mask, or that the study is exaggerated, having a president who early on signaled the importance of wearing masks as soon as we knew that it dramatically curbed the effects of the virus, even assuming 50% of this, still would have saved more lives than all of those lost in wars since 2000.
I don’t buy the idea that trump isn't responsible for covid deaths. How exactly is this?
I'm not looking to the president to be my life coach or priest. I don't know anyone that does except the cult members Trump has following him.
I am looking at the president to be an example, set public policy, and work with congress to properly fund the tools and resources necessary to effectively realize that policy. And if they can't do that, I expect them to accept the blame for it and not be xenophobic ... like a good chief executive should.
The president is responsible for setting a coherent national policy or, at the *very* least, consistent guidance that follows public health recommendations. Global problems won't and can't be solved by individual actions.
Again you need to invent a side that no one is on in order for your case to make sense.
The current severity of the COVID pandemic in the United States is a policy failure. Full stop.
“not to mention trump's bungled response to the pandemic has helped killed more americans than all wars combined since vietnam, you partisan hack. “
Obviously you only see the American lives lost, so typical...a real America First Maga Nationalist, only in Iraq there were that amount of civilians killed by your illegal American invasion!
Easy for you to sit back and throw stones in your glass house, isn't it? When was the last time the Dutch tried to lead on the world stage? You're eager to throw stones from within your anti-muslim country. What you conveniently and disingenuously ignore is that the people you're attacking on this forum do not support wars. You know this, you ignore this, and you lie about this because it makes you feel good, makes you feel right, and makes you feel better than. Your blind spots are glaring, they're obvious, and you sound like a fool.
rando, i was specifically replying to vol's comment amount american soldiers, but preceded this with a critical article about the disastrous american policy in yemen. (though this proved my point about you disregarding another muslim country....)
you're being incredibly lazy here; i know you can do better..
Here’s a thought...Maybe just stop trying so hard to lead...and trade blood for oil!
Easy for you to say as you sit back and enjoy the EU protections and privelages you didn't earn.
"When was the last time the Dutch tried to lead on the world stage?"
I'll give you a hint it didn't go so well for the Indonesians.
That was not leading on a world stage and it actually went very well for the Indonesians, they’re independent you know...but great digging, gold sticker for effort!
SP what do you mean we didn’t earn those? We did earn them, paid with our blood and sacrifice and subsequent US occupation (you seem to call it liberation)...Was hoping you finally buggered off of the world stage and retreat back to your continent, but no, still didn’t get that memo: have to interfere almost anywhere in the world where something can be taken, stolen or sold...no wonder you are all so into Veterans Day supporting your troops, the occupying forces, celebrating the suffering of billions of people for cheap gas at the pump etc. You are all about America First, never met a more nationalistic militaristic bunch of people, killing your own and anyone else that suits you, that’s why Trump had to go, he stood up against that...
https://geographicalimaginations.files.wordpress.com/2019/01/david-vine-us-military-bases-2015.jpg
square, islamophobia is what Islamic fundamentalists refer to when they feel there are offenses commuted against their ideology that must be addressed through censorship or death, the usual, plenty of recent examples of that unfortunately. It was ayatollah Khomeini by the way that coined the term when he actually said that women who don’t wear a veil are islamophobic...Why do you brand me as islamophobic when I protest about the (mostly islamic) civilians being killed by your American armies, shouldn’t I be cheering according to your “logic”?
I heard that Trump was a Trojan horse for white nationalist types. Forgot where I heard that, but it's probably true. I'm sure someone has said it.
Dunno who the fuck you're talking about when you say 'you' up there little dutch boy, but it sure as shit ain't me. So unless you want to be painted with the same wide brush you love to use, fuck right off. When I say you I mean YOU. Rando. When you say 'you' you mean some imaginary monolith you pretend is the entire populace of a country. Ignorant ass.
if [your] shoe fits...
"Forgot where I heard that, but it’s probably true....Cheney types anyway"
Like Cheney's daughter...
...
what about the idea of being able to allocate your taxes to where you want them to go? Military, infrastructure, science, NASA, nation parks, entitlements, etc
You mean like with elections?
yes, it's called representative democracy
I think he means chaos. Also, if you choose where they go, isn't that like forced charity (aka welfare)?
I think he means tax allocation mandated at the individual level...
Ah, lost my edit...
Play it out and see what comes of it. It'll test your understanding/perspective of the system and human nature.
So I could state that 100% of my federal taxes go to Social Security? I could state that my local taxes have to be spent on the road I live on? My State taxes MUST be spent on state parks? Yeah, let it play out. I'm sure it's as perfect as all of JLA's other ideas.
It can be a fun exercise nevertheless
My taxes are lower than even the tiniest government budget line item, so I can just pretend my entire contribution is going to one specific thing, I suppose.
All my taxes are going to hookers and casino's then.
Why not just get rid of taxes and let the philanthropists donate for new roads and bridges for naming rights? Super PACs will move from funding campaigns to funding wars and drone strikes to push their corporate donors' agendas overseas. Small dollar donations from the Bernie people will attempt to rebuild some broken infrastructure but it would largely be regressive as the people most likely to donate for that would be the ones with the least ability to do so. In the meantime, the neighborhoods like the one with the gun-toting MAGAs in St. Louis will become their own little walled off enclaves. Where do I sign up?
EA, that's where we're headed. Public private partnerships are a taste of the future. The private partner spends the money to do a shitty (but pretty, and low bid!) job, then extracts the value through depreciation, tolls, and deferred maintenance, then turns the decaying husk over to the public! Everyone wins! And then, when the public complains, they pivot to claiming they'd do better IF ONLY THEY OWNED IT FOREVER.
They already do. Your plan would just do that more and on steroids.
While we're dreaming ... maybe if the top 1% just paid their taxes and shut up about it instead of coercing the politicians to do their bidding through campaign donations, things would be better.
If the people with 90% of the wealth pay 50% of the taxes I'd say they're under taxed. Nevermind that your "statistic" is not true.
It's the Price of Admission. The luxury boxes cost more than the bleachers, even if we're watching the same game.
We've definitely had this exact conversation before. Probably several times. Do you have memory issues?
No they haven't. The right has been tricked into believing that taxation in and of itself is evil, and we're living with the consequence of 40+ years of policy decisions made under the Norquist Doctrine. Liberals just want a course correction.
You're changing the subject, as per your usual tactics.
Oh, cool. ADD. Excuse number ... I've lost count.
You do have a say when you vote. Maybe you feel like you have no say, but that's only because you back candidates with no shot at ever winning.
BURN
Also, you have a say whether your candidate wins or not. Your elected representatives represent you regardless, and you can petition them for redress of grievances. The issue is that without the money to amplify your petition, they don't listen to you.
Money in politics is a real problem. We're at a point where trying to close the barn door is ignoring the fact that the barn no longer exists. It was burned down, the fire marshal paid to look the other way, and the horses sold for dog food decades ago. I've thought about how we might make elections less reliant on massive amounts of money buying influence (regardless of intent) and everything I think of can easily be thwarted by bottomless pockets.
To be serious though. Allowing people to decide what their tax money funds is a horrible idea. People are not capable of thinking beyond their own self interests and desires. American's response to COVID regulations has show this.
Publicly funded elections, sure. So we'd need to ban all adverts, investments, and public support for candidates? Or can a millionaire use their own money as well? Can a candidate use private funding to augment it? Sounds like a big government solution would be required if we didn't want to cement our oligarchy to me.
Suggest people should be able to direct tax dollars to certain programs ... suggest publicly funded elections ... irony.
Oh, so a poll tax. Tell the 6-3 conservative majority in the Supreme Court to get to work on overturning those precedents.
... also that pesky 24th Amendment. Not sure how they're going to rule that unconstitutional if it's part of the constitution.
On a related note, do you just stop reading after the 2nd Amendment?
Welcome to democracy. Where have you been this whole time?
"Directly being able to allocate taxes may better reflect the will of the people."
No that will only mean even worse facilities and infrastructure in areas where people don't pay that many taxes.
My god x-jla - your idea really went off the rails once you started defending it.
The funny thing is, it's not all that out there, jla just hasn't done his homework (as per the usual). A few minutes on wikipedia and he'd have a lot more information ... enough to sound smart in this forum.
There are some Nobel Prize winning economists that would help him develop and/or support his idea. There have even been some bills introduced in congress in recent-ish years to do, in part, what he's suggesting.
I've written and reviewed some research grant proposals in the past and this is the type of thing where if jla was writing a grant proposal to further his research, it would get rejected pretty quickly because he hasn't even done enough research to get started. This is usually evident to anyone with a background in the research area because he can't even support his ideas with well-known writings, references, or research. He thinks he's come up with something novel, and so hasn't even tried to see if anyone else has thought of it before.
^Ironically, many of them are libertarians and should be well-known to anyone who knew more about libertarianism, the free-market, and small government.
Where's b3ta and square. to question jla's libertarianism?
Problem with simpletons, they use the word "Lib" in a nonironic derisive manner.
I never said you needed to write a thesis. I'm just saying it's pretty apparent you had an idea, thought it was unique, threw it up on the internet, and got steamrolled because you didn't go beyond the initial thought. That's fine and all, but if you don't want to look so dumb, you might want to do some additional homework.
If I was throwing out the idea that we should defund the police, I'd caution myself to do the same. Thing is, I'm not putting forth that idea as my own. If you want to see the ideas I've put out there as my own, you can look at my blog.
In the meantime, I'll gladly call out stupidity on both sides.
There are plenty of studies that demonstrate the societal benefits of reallocating police funding and plenty of studies that demonstrate the psychological benefits of gender affirming therapy / hormone treatment (not surgery, as this is largely a thing invented by the right with no basis in science or reality), but last time I posted a study you decided to claim the entire universe of academic journalism is bunk, so... whatever. Keep sayin' dumb shit.
Really fucking tired of the "independent free thinker" who only bothers to criticize progressives (with the occasional "Don't get me wrong I'm happy Trump is out" plausible deniability token) and consistently regurgitates ideas suspiciously similar to Fox / Breitbart / Alt-Right screeds.
For it not being your own idea, you seem to defend it and elaborate on it a lot with phrases like,
But whatever, if it's not your own idea, who's idea is it? Care to cite your sources?
You're still using "appeal to authority" incorrectly. I could give you references, but apparently those aren't important anymore.
Also, "transwomen shouldn't compete in women's mma," isn't a statement of medical science. It's a rules decision by the sport's governing body.
you truly live in an alternate reality
i'm not sure who you're talking about, but you know little about me, and the fact that you think you do demonstrates how much you invent narratives to fit your biased perspective. to prove your "argument," please find an example of when i posted something remotely claiming that looting is not only not violence, but permissible.
on the other hand, both the amount and length of your posts paints a pretty clear picture of the delusional world view you inhabit (e.g. i have posted one joke on this particular thread, and you have posted .25+ ramblings)
all of this amount to not a substantial critique of the left, but a paranoid alternative reality that you continually re-construct.
It's very funny the amount of stuff you just made up to claim that it is I who lives in an alternative reality.
So can we all agree YangGang 2024?
No .
hard pass- i've seen enough from technocratic silicon valley saviors.
I'll backhand slap anyone who mentions the 2024 election before 2023.
Why not Yang? He’s the only one talking about the plight of middle America and Trumpism as a symptom.
why not 2028?
When I hear Yang's ideas all I can say is "cool story bro"
It’s an open secret that Biden’s a one-term president. His “transitional” presidency will allow other nominees a chance to get their feet wet in politics and run.
Ok, cool. But still a hard pass on the technocrat.
Not sure where this technocrat moniker's coming from. He's a lawyer that founded a hugely beneficial non-profit for emerging businesses, among other entrepreneurial enterprises.
I think he should give me $1000 per month for 4 years, and then I will take him seriously.
Y'all must really want a slap.
Being a complete asshole to my friends is funny | x-lax 2024
Not sure where this technocrat moniker's coming from
"lawyer" "founded" "emerging" "entrepreneurial" "enterprise"
Trump / Trump jr ‘24? That would mean a third term ;-)
For self-described Freedom Lovers y'all seem to really love monarchy ;)
Actually, according to the freedom index by The Economist the United States is a 'flawed democracy' and all those monarchies (incl. Canada, Australia, New Zealand) of Europe are actually full democracies! Our freedom of the press, according to Reporters Without Borders is a whopping 'good situation', yours only a meagre 'satisfactory'...so yeah, freedom lovers should come live in a European-style monarchy ;-P
I ALSO MAKE JOKE
I saw he smiley!
I entered the simple term 'voter fraud' on Google and got the first thirty articles saying how there was no voter fraud in the 2020 elections and that Trump was endangering us all by demanding an investigation. I then went to the absurdly named 'DuckDuckGo' search engine and their first thirty articles on 'voter fraud' were about a 50-50 split between the Trump and Biden points of view. I always though the engines just listed the most popular articles on any subject in order of the number of times they were previously accessed. The user is perfectly capable of reading the articles and making up his own mind.This is bald censorship on the part of Google.
that is not at all how search engine algorithms work. in this case, it's possible people who use duck duck go are more inclined to believe in deep state conspiracies and qanon type stuff. that's why they're using that service instead of google - they think google is a left wing deep state conspiracy. also, google searches are often going to be personalized to your own search history, so you aren't always going to get the same results as me.
"The user is perfectly capable of reading the articles and making up his own mind." You'd think that, but... *looks around*
LOLigarchs
jumping to conclusions you are. and no need to insult bald people.
I think you meant to say "...a 50-50 split between the official election projects and Trump's denial of them."
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-06-22/google-is-the-worlds-biggest-censor-and-its-power-must-be-regulated
https://searchengineland.com/google-crooked-hillary-251152?utm_content=buffer3e25f&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/09/10/trump-google-youtube-search-results-biased-against-republicans-conservatives-column/1248099002/
the url's say it all
Morning. The piece by Epstein is a good read. I can't take the other two seriously, however. One is written by Trump's campaign manager. Not that I would dismiss him entirely just because of that fact, but I can't help but see it as biased. The other uses two examples to make a grand statement, eg. cherry picking. It's too easy to cherry pick to make a point and is a problem with op-ed's in general.
So, my (rhetorical) question to you or anyone is that if you believe google is deliberately editing/filtering/censoring, what do you do about it? One answer is to course-correct how one goes about searching for information and/or does their due-diligence.
Book plot: America descends into civil war and, at the end, the big tech companies are sovereign nations.
Didn't someone recently suggest a technocracy?
Hey dumb-ass, nobody fucking said that. You're making shit up again.
the real question is who's hotter, AOC or Sarah Palin
AOC mos def
I don't know if I could handle the stress
thiz is great
This thread:
That’s not a mouse on the desk there.
Interesting how all the people in this thread who've been complaining about possible election fraud this whole time are suddenly nowhere to be found when the Georgia Secretary of State starts claiming that Lindsey Graham suggested he throw out legally cast ballots in a recent phone call.
Interesting how you assume EA believes this particular voter fraud allegation without “proof"
A legally cast ballot by the right person can still be thrown out if the signature doesn’t match, no?
Just “Blame Canada”...the Dominion Company that made some of the vote counting machines used is Canadian, but the Canadians don’t even trust them to count their own votes...
I'm not saying x-lax IS a broken robot sent here by a toilet in the the future through a wormhole found in the sewer, just saying that they COULD be.
They?
Let me get this straight, the dummy is onto the "Wuhan Vote" now?
While anything within the confines of our imagination is possible, if there was large-scale, coordinated voter fraud where it could flip the election I, and many others, would completely lose trust in our system which would influence generations to come. I don't think the US can afford this and would empower authoritarian-style leadership.
Edit: My point is... x-jla, if you can imagine this level of voter fraud is a possibility within our system can you also imagine the repercussions this would have?
This question goes to anyone who genuinely believes in the possibility of this level of fraud.
That jla hasn't heard about this is more evidence that he gets his news in a right-wing bubble. To the question of whether I believe this particular allegation ... I have no reason to doubt it, but there's nothing there to go from. At most it was a suggestion that Graham is now denying. The Georgia SoS isn't going along with it, even if he were even able to ... so it's really a nothing burger unless you can prove the suggestion. At this point, it's just one man's word against another's.
My point is that for all the people clamoring that there COULD have been fraud, this was probably the most damning, and would potentially have the largest, and most lasting effect had the Georgia SoS went along with it. The implication is that if Graham suggested it here and got caught, where else might he have "suggested" things and what might have happened because of those suggestions?* Again, those claiming that this election COULD have been rigged don't seem to want to investigate that allegation from the "left" like they do allegations from the "right." I find that interesting.
*Do I personally think Graham did suggest things in other states? Not really, which is why I'm not saying we should be demanding an investigation like others are. But if anyone has credible evidence that there has been some foul play ... bring it forward.
To further emphasize my point. Notice how jla simply puts forth in this case that the allegation could be true just like the other allegations ... essentially "both siding" us. Yet earlier when he posted the article about election machine glitches where the was nothing to the story, and I pointed that out, he doubled down with calls for an investigation into spurious allegations.
Yet he's made no call for an investigation into this allegation when given the chance. His lack of consistency is showing his bias.
it's pretty clear at this point that x-lax is not a centrist, and absolutely, no way in hell, a libertarian.
randomised, in a normal election Georgia checks the signature on the absentee ballot against that voter's signature on file, then separates the ballot from the envelope and the ballot is counted.
This year Georgia's Secretary of State added an extra step where the voter's signature on the request for an absentee ballot is checked against the voter's signature on file before they are sent a ballot.
Then they check it again in the normal way when the ballot is returned. So absentee ballots in Georgia have been signature verified twice. Trump wants them to reconnect the ballot to the envelope and check a third time, which would violate the secret ballot language in Georgia's constitution.
libertarian is a word shield right wingers hide behind so they can try to avoid the inevitable 'isms' that come along with right wing ideologies.
BTW https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/brad-raffensperger-georgia-vote/2020/11/16/6b6cb2f4-283e-11eb-8fa2-06e7cbb145c0_story.html
but jla is "FoR oPeN bOrDeRs!"
"Libertarian"
We very much understand it. You keep wedging your one feeling into every remotely tangential discussion with little, if any, new information. I can only speak for myself but I think we're all just tired of watching you repeat yourself.
You think it's not impossible that there was election fraud. Cool. Got it. Got it weeks ago. Quit bringing it up unless you've got something new to contribute. You're mucking up the thread.
If saying Russian Troll Farms, colluding with Trump's Klan, to sow seeds of distrust, depressed voter turnout, then yeah, you muppet, Trump won through dishonest, and treasonous means.
I don't self-identify as a liberal, dipshit. You love to call yourself a libertarian. So even if you were right (you aren't) it's not a counter-punch, it's just words. Congratulations, you said words. You fucking toddler.
*counts minutes until x-lax claims victory because I seem to have gotten emotional*
Spoiler alert; stupid people piss me off.
I identify myself as a "meat popsicle"
JFC, you really like that deep rabbit hole, eh?
If Russian troll farms were able to sway the election, [because there is evidence of them trying] what makes you think CCP and other foreign actors couldn’t sway it towards Biden?
Because there's no evidence. If something comes to light, I'll treat it as reality. Until then, your "theory" is acknowledged.
Who do you vote for, genius?
"you and I don’t know. Stop acting like you do"
We *just* went over this.
Who do you vote for, genius?
Mayor of Hawthorne, Ca = President?
GRASP HARDER AND THE STRAWS WILL BE YOURS!
Who do you vote for, genius?
No one has said fraud is nonexistent.
Go 'head, lecture me more about reading comprehension.
I call it "The Purity Dodge"
Who do you vote for, genius? Not some nebulous bullshit response that allows you wiggle room. Who, BY NAME, do you vote for, genius?
Yeah, that checks out.
"...no chance of winning" Correct. "Therefore.." Incorrect
Chris Krebs has good pandemic hair.
https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/wor...
What in the hell is this? I love it.
I'm just wondering how many people are here for Trump?
i'm just wondering where you've been for the past 4 years?
by the way- he's got less than 2 months in office. might be relevant information.
"for Trump" for what?
What's the deal with Trump going on a firing rampage again? I don't get it (genuinely).
Needs people he can trust around him, can't do a coup with people who disagree with you...
And what does that say about him in regards to the results of the election?
Well, I guess you answered that question already.
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What I really wanted to say was: I considered that, but isn't it a little late in the game to be doing this? Sorry, my brain is kind of mushy this morning.
Your first mistake is assuming he knows what he's doing, rather than flailing wildly as his fragile psyche attempts to paper over reality.
What's my second? ;-)
I think he thinks he knows what he's doing, but underestimates reality, but there are obviously plenty of fools out there.
My guess is that Trump never thought this far ahead and probably thought his second term would come easier...
Robust systems of accountability can operate independent of scale. Our government isn't too big, it's too concentrated within the executive.
wow, this is so profound, man.
Resilience is about systems that can withstand the inevitable breaking of parts. The number of parts is irrelevant.
Big countries usually need big governments, also if you want citizens to have a decent quality of life you need big governments to achieve that...look at countries with higher living standards that better look after their people, all social democratic countries with large-ish governments...can’t trust corporations to handle that all
your critical thinking skills are corrupt.
x-jla, ok so from what I've gathered you think corporations and governments are either corruptible or corrupt. Both headed by human beings. What's your solution or answer to this?
The opposite of "bad" is not "none"
Also, do you think countries such as Sweden, Switzerland, Finland
or...Norway are corrupt?
..what
And why is Switzerland an example of that, uh, "culture" but not Florida?
I agree with you on that, x, however I don't think it's practical. If we have to work with and within the system that we have created over generations and exist in, what can we do? We can't get everyone into a drum circle and do shrooms together...
Also, I'm curious to know why you singled-out Switzerland.
I take the opposite view, I believe our so-described cultural & educational decline is proof that the political trajectory we're on is failing. All the things you describe coincide with the slow dismantling of the social safety net during and since the Reagan years. To suggest that our present is not a creation of our politics but a reason why we don't deserve better seems, to me, a backwards correlation.
Also Doritos locos tacos are amazing and I won't hear any of your slander.
therE'S nO DiffErenCe BETwEeN Biden ANd TRUmP
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/1...
x-lax: I need everyone to be perfect, otherwise I will criticize, but I am not perfect. I also accuse others of hypocrisy without a single hint of irony.
You are the best example of unintentional irony I have ever seen.
I know you do.
This is a great essay that I'm sure will stir no controversy among the users here:
"The implication is the usual one: we—urban multiethnic liberal-to-radical only-partly-Christian America—need to spend more time understanding MAGA America. The demands do not go the other way. Fox and Ted Cruz and the Federalist have not chastised their audiences, I feel pretty confident, with urgings to enter into discourse with, say, Black Lives Matter activists, rabbis, imams, abortion providers, undocumented valedictorians, or tenured lesbians. When only half the divide is being tasked with making the peace, there is no peace to be made, but there is a unilateral surrender on offer. We are told to consider this bipartisanship"
https://lithub.com/rebecca-sol...
Use your head it's already up there.
Or, let's not say that.
Someone links an article written by a woman and one of the first things you do is find a photo and comment on her looks. Classy.
Since you had to shit up the thread, here's the same sentiment, put more bluntly:
https://www.aljazeera.com/opin...
Lemme do it for him: AL JAZEERA!? WHAT ARE YOU A TERRORIST?!@
Saw this one on Twitter this morning:
Throwback Thursday!
“America’s leaders saw nothing wrong with electoral interference, so long as the United States was conducting it.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/the-us-has-a-long-history-of-election-meddling/565538/
Person got lucky where he was born: uses it to justify bad hot takes!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
Hahaha so because I was born in a country different than yours I can’t point out the facts of American election interference (worldwide!), you sure are scared of the facts that you need to introduce such a nationalistic argument...”America First”...
also this is not whataboutism at all, this is proven American election interference, clearly shows a pattern where the American establishment meddles in the democratic process worldwide...why this establishment wouldn’t use their powers at home to get the candidate of their choosing, one must be very “naive” to think that impossible.
"you" are the dumb ass who can't seem to differentiate between a country's leaders and a country's citizenry. "you" get a big ol' holier than thou stiffy because you happened to be born somewhere. Being born Dutch doesn't mean you're better than anyone, and your behavior consistently indicates the opposite.
I can perfectly differentiate between the two of you and "you" and y'all, what's the problem with acknowledging that the US has interfered in many elections over the years. And because your chosen officials and agencies know how to do that, why is it so hard to imagine that the same power structure that interferes elsewhere could be at play at home? We saw that with the corrupt DNC, we saw that with Ukraine, etc. America likes to do as they please and is all about democracy but only when the results are what they need them to be. Sorry for pointing out that hypocrisy and the subsequent hurting of your feelings. That doesn't mean I'm better, I just have a clearer perspective on things and can connect dots you're not even aware of or care that much about...
hey rando, little hint here: no one cares about your opinion of america, even though your smug ass continues to think otherwise. while we have a better understanding than you and are able to critize our country independently, you have 0 credibility or relevance on these issues, and to be honest i find it a little bizarre you spend so much time trying to understand things like the dnc. surely there must be something better you can do with your time.
by the way- you're welcome for those mcdonalds.
You can take those mcdonalds and your weapons of mass destruction and shove 'em where the sun don't shine, I will stop bothering with American politics when your American nuclear warheads and troops leave my country and when Americans stop meddling and interfering all over the globe. Stay the fuck on your own continent and leave the rest of the world alone, it really is that simple.
You seem to care enough about my opinions to be responding and replying to them, ha! I don't need to spend time understanding things like the dnc, I already understand those things, I've lived and worked in the US, still have friends there and have American friends here in good old Europe. I can't think of a better way to spend my time than to school a bunch of America First National Socialist Democrats, it's for a good cause, my gift to the world!
ok buddy. just letting you know how it looks to obsess over another country's politics on an architecture forum.
I’m not obsessed with just another country’s politics, I’m a concerned citizen of the world, your politics is our politics unfortunately...the impact of my well being and the future of the world is directly impacted by whatever the fuck you guys decide and who you choose to invade or who’s election you decide to interfere in...
Born on third, tells everyone he hit a triple.
I used to use my country of origin to justify my smug sense of superiority. Luckily I graduated middle school and learned that I needed to earn those feelings regardless of my birthplace.
“Imperialism, we learned it from watching you Dutch!” No you didn’t...you learned it from the Brits, all we did is give New York it’s famous attitude :-P
The irony here is that if you were just criticizing the government of the US we'd probably all leave the statement unchallenged, since most of us have similar criticisms. But you felt the trumpian need to tar and feather us individually for the sins of our government.
The Dutch East India Company would like a word.
“ Born on third, tells everyone he hit a triple.” I know I’m lucky to be born here, with all the means and opportunities that are attached to that, that’s why I try to spread all that privileged wisdom and knowledge to you unfortunate schmucks across the pond. Just holding up a mirror for you guys to see yourself how the rest of the world sees you...But it is clear that all that saluting to the flag and god bless America bs has produced quite the distorted view of reality across the entire political spectrum.
“But you felt the trumpian need to tar and feather us individually for the sins of our government.” That’s your interpretation, if you feel personally tarred or feathered for me critiquing American politics and its nasty nationalism from left to right, that says more about you than it says about me...
“ The Dutch East India Company would like a word.” Ah yes, the world’s first multinational company, had more to do with international trade and the invention of capitalism than it did with imperialism by the way...all about them Florins.
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"if you feel personally tarred or feathered for me critiquing American politics and its nasty nationalism from left to right, that says more about you than it says about me..."
No. I feel that you are targeting me because you are. You are intentionally using direct language to INDIVIDUALS when you know goddamn well we have only a limited ability to affect our country's foreign policy, you SEE us out demonstrating against those policies, and you still feel the need to criticize individuals. This indicates that you are a shitty person who takes pleasure in directing barbs at individuals. Full stop. Your "rubber and glue" protestations are garbage. You know this. You don't care. Ergo you are a prick.
You say that like capitalism & imperialism are seperable.
Imperialism is an inevitable conclusion of unfettered capitalism. Your other observations are the usual irrelevant whataboutisms and passionate flailing about for binary opposites where none are necessary or welcome.
I figured imperialism and capitalism kind of go hand-in-hand these days.
"people eating other people because it doesn’t work."
The Donner Party would like a word.
The level of brutally hilarious comments = 100% gold
^dumb
It's Friday afternoon, go have a drink man.
“ Ergo you are a prick”
I’m still right though...you vote for people and parties that commit war crimes, that interfere in other countries and overthrow democratically chosen governments, that kill innocent civilians for domestic re-election and power or lower prices at the pump. That’s all on you, not on me...does that make me a prick? So be it...at least I don’t enable mass murder. If you don’t support such policies don’t vote for parties and people that execute such policies, it is that simple...It’s like saying you vote for Hitler because he’s a vegetarian and loves dogs and don’t want anything to do with his concentration camps...it doesn’t work that way. The people you vote for have blood on their hands, you can’t wash that off yours so easily, blood is thicker than that and you know it.
Sort of...if you vote for American imperialists don’t act surprised when they invade other countries and commit mass murder and do as they promised...
You're fucking clueless. Born on third, telling everyone that with enough practice they can hit triple just like you did.
We say we agree with the idea of not being involved in foreign wars. Instead of finding that common ground appealing you ignore it in favor of attacking us for having been born in America and not having the power to immediately change the entire country. That's why you're a prick. Because when given a choice between dialogue and petty personal attacks that take effort to create, you salivate over the chance to demonize individuals for the crimes of their countrys leadership.
Not an illusion: “ The United States relies too heavily on our military might in foreign policy. For more than a decade, our country has been waging active wars in the Middle East. This has left our military tired, with several thousand dead, and many more thousands wounded physically and mentally.
A decade ago, the United States entered into nation building thinking that it would help improve corners of the world that terrorists find opportunistic. Sadly, some of the nation building which our country entered into with genuinely good intentions has backfired. We now know that no matter how sophisticated our military is and no matter how much money we spend, nation building is far more complicated that we originally thought. Additionally, it may likely create more terrorists than it quells.
Imagine if China had a military base in Montana. Or Russia had a military base in Texas. How would Americans feel about that? We would likely feel insulted, oppressed, and mad. Some Americans would likely seek to actively opposed those bases. And the escalation would continue. That is what we have seen in the Middle East with our involvement there.
Libertarians believe that war is justified only in defense. We are opposed to a draft. If a war is just and necessary, Americans of all backgrounds will volunteer to fight it. We believe that a draft enforced by law is no different from slavery.”
Minorities in America were promoting the ideals that "libertarian" grifters have been parroting for decades before it was accepted by white folks.
So I hope that's what you mean by "we."
You steal a bunch of philosophies from social communities that are minority, package them under a bunch of white freedom loving politicians, and then claim because they're "political" they're therefore yours. Classic grifter bullshit.
“We say we agree with the idea of not being involved in foreign wars. Instead of finding that common ground appealing you ignore it in favor of attacking us for having been born in America and not having the power to immediately change the entire country. That's why you're a prick. Because when given a choice between dialogue and petty personal attacks that take effort to create, you salivate over the chance to demonize individuals for the crimes of their countrys leadership.”
Not really, whenever I say that Trump is not that bad from a foreigner’s perspective on the scale of the planet and world peace or whatever, all I get is attacked. You, yes you, don’t allow for any discussion or views that don’t align with your narrow tunnel. And when being called out on that you act like the victim here, when you’re nothing but a bully demonising anyone that doesn’t jump in line...like a true Trumper/trooper. If I wouldn’t like a political party for their mass murdering I simply wouldn’t vote for them, you choose otherwise, that’s on you and only on you. You are not after dialogue at all, don’t kid yourself, just trying to wash your hands like Pilates...while enjoying all the perks of being that global super power. I just call out the hypocrisy as I see it.
You don't have a clue.
I'm pointing out YOUR hypocrisy.
You don't even know whether you mean me or the country in which I live. Maybe it's a language problem?
Oh I know...question is do you?
I know you are but what am I?
The memories, the fun we had...thanks for this repost from the Autonomous Zone thread! Anything else?
you're such a clown.
Recent news reports have exposed Dutch involvement in an airstrike in Iraq in June 2015 that killed at least 70 civilians, with the Minister of Defense finally admitting on November 5, 2019 that the ministry had known about the deaths after years of denial.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/11/13/new-revelations-dutch-role-deadly-iraq-attack#
What do you want from me, what’s your fucking point? I didn’t vote for any of the parties involved during the air strike or the denial. It all happened under duress during the Obama administration, for which you voted I’m sure. You know why the Dutch were there in the first place, forced by you lot...to make your blood for oil invasion look like an international effort. Nice try though...love how people here are learning stuff about Holland just to find things to stick to me, maybe you can throw in an Austin Powers meme or something and be totally woke!
I bought some nice cigars while in Holland.
i demand that you, as an anonymous individual, answer for the totality of your country's decisions that lead to innocent civilian bloodshed, on this architecture forum.
Me: "I feel that you are targeting me because you are. You are intentionally using direct language to INDIVIDUALS when you know goddamn well we have only a limited ability to affect our country's foreign policy, you SEE us out demonstrating against those policies, and you still feel the need to criticize individuals. "
You: "I’m still right though...you vote for people and parties that commit war crimes, that interfere in other countries and overthrow democratically chosen governments, that kill innocent civilians for domestic re-election and power or lower prices at the pump. That’s all on you, not on me."
Me: "We say we agree with the idea of not being involved in foreign wars."
square: "Recent news reports have exposed Dutch involvement in an airstrike in Iraq in June 2015 that killed at least 70 civilians, with the Minister of Defense finally admitting on November 5, 2019 that the ministry had known about the deaths after years of denial."
You: "What do you want from me, what’s your fucking point? I didn’t vote for any of the parties involved during the air strike or the denial. "
Sad how you dance and chortle with glee when you get to sling the mud at our Country's leadership with no consideration to the fact that real humans who agree with much of what you believe are at the receiving end of your posts and then cry like a sad, little toddler when someone does the same thing to you.
you vote for mass murderers, I never did...huge difference! so, who's a hypocrite here, sure it's not me as I stay true to my beliefs, morals and principles :-P
You assume you know who we all voted for. You also demand we believe you when you say you didn't vote for the assholes who jumped on the bombing bandwagon. You haven't earned the right to assume anything nor have you earned the trust needed to believe you wouldn't lie just to win an argument. So impasses being impasses, I still think you're a prick based in your resolute disinterest in building a coalition of ideas with us and can firmly and finally go get fucked.
I’m sure as hell you voted for those mass murderers Pilates, what are you so ashamed of...sorry to call you out but that’s just the way the cookie crumbles. You have no interest in building that coalition at all, you only bring that up now when all is lost and your hypocrisy has been exposed...
Whatever you need to tell yourself to look in the mirror without vomiting, I guess.
The realisation I’m not you is all it takes :-P
When you say you do you mean you or YOU? You seem to not know the difference.
It all happened under duress during the Obama administration, for which you voted I’m sure. You know why the Dutch were there in the first place, forced by you lot...to make your blood for oil invasion look like an international effort.
so you've admitted that the dutch are nothing but subservient pawns in america's game, making you and your country complicit in the very imperialism you unsuccessfully tried to distance yourself from.
i've seen enough.
Easy for you to say with your nukes and your army...of course the Dutch are pawns in your imperialistic endgame...why else would you occupy us? We are as complicit as hostages being forced to do all kinds of stuff by their hostage takers...whatever bad shit you force us to do, it is all on you! Oh and if only you would have seen enough you wouldn’t be voting the way you do and be so ashamed of the actions your elected officials are pursuing in your name with your personal mandate under their belts...
I DO NOT HAVE ANY NUKES OR AN ARMY YOU DISINGENUOUS BLOWHARD.
Fixed it for you:
Easy for you to say with AMERICA'S nukes and AMERICA'S army...of course the Dutch are pawns in AMERICA'S imperialistic endgame...why else would AMERICA occupy us? THE DUTCH are as complicit as hostages being forced to do all kinds of stuff by their hostage takers...whatever bad shit AMERICA force THE DUTCH to do, it is all on AMERICA'S LEADERSHIP! THE REST OF THIS IS BULLSHIT MUDDYING THE WATER SO I CAN KEEP FEELING SUPERIOR WHILE AVOIDING THE COGNITIVE STRESS OF SEPARATING THE INDIVIDUALS TO WHOM I AM SPEAKING FROM THE GIANT VILLAIN I HAVE MADE UP IN MY HEAD!
But you vote and thereby support that particular leadership and their politics...your hands are not clean, that’s too damn easy. People that voted NSDAP were not innocent either...
You are wrong, and a liar.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sq7TeUJwQD4
Unfortunately, if this turns out true, I think 1/2 the country wouldn’t care as long as trump is out. The woman at about 45mins talks about lots of evidence that they have.
wtf? this is the kind of shit that you allow to form your opinion? just stop.
"it's possible" -flim flam flimmyflam flimflam
we live in a petrie dish forgotten by a supreme intelligence who knows. You don’t, I don’t.
"if it were true, would you care?" Yes, but it isn't, so I don't.
Are you saying that? You seem to be saying that.
"They have affidavits from whistleblowers apparently"
Who is "they"? Who are the "whistleblowers"? Why "apparently"? They either do, or they don't. Nothing is "apparent" unless it's shown. Put up or shut up, I say.
there. is. no. evidence.
even tucker carlson is tired of this shit. you're being given permission to move the fuck on.
https://twitter.com/DineshDSou...
"My only option" off
Pffff
"there. is. no. evidence."
ThaT DoesN'T MEaN IT DidN'T HapPeN!!!
rando, i actually laughed out loud at your incorrect use of the spongebob meme. yet another strike against your knowledge of american culture and politics.
So when the lawsuits all get thrown out or lost can we expect a new culpa from you?
Given that the Trump lawyers have lost (at least) 31 lawsuits in the past two weeks I suspect quite a bit of it has been, uh, "vetted" as you say.
So you get to abuse the users of this forum with your bullshit, you get to accuse us all (wrongly), and when the basis for all of that turns out to be wrong, you'll just say it is what it is
Appropriate.
It's "possible" that there are bars of gold buried in my backyard, but if I spent as much time out there looking for them as you spend ranting about equally likely hypotheticals in this thread, I'd be institutionalized.
Keep shifting those posts. First it was in person voter fraud, now it's suspicious machines. Spoiler alert: we will agree that Dominion is worthy of investigation but will disagree that it has anything to do with some conspiracy against the soon to be ex president
Yes, but the establishment likes the chaos.
here you go, x, https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud. Enjoy.
Disclaimer: I have no comment on the legitimacy of this organization or their database.
Can't wait for the affidavits to come to light. Remember the one from the postal worker in PA that he later recounted? Or there's this one that was shown to have confused Michigan with Minnesota filed in a lawsuit in GA.
Reality is stressful enough there's no need to entertain hypotheticals.
Hypothetically, if it turns out to be true that there are teapot bears in space trying to sexually assault you jla, would you create the Space Force and arm them with lasers?
I watched that conference with an open mind. And it is possible that that the election was not legit in some way but if someone really had evidence of extremely dangerous occurrences like nationwide election rigging in the USA, why would you trust it to a particular political party? would you trust the court system, which you know can be corrupt as well? you would probably use a more effective way to get the word out.... this isn't over but the odds of the election getting turned around are practically nil. and by the way, notice they never call for a new election, only changing the result, which also a clear signal that is bullshit.
"rando, i actually laughed out loud at your incorrect use of the spongebob meme. yet another strike against your knowledge of american culture and politics." You're welcome but I'm simply using that meme against you, you still have a long way to go square.
Finland, we will swap Joe Biden for your Prime Minister. Act today and we will throw in Hunter.
republican supreme court justices reassigned to supervise all swing states... nothing to see here
“It ain’t cool being no jive turkey so close to Thanksgiving“
too much graphics for such known stories.
well the fat lady's singing...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/d...
This thread used to be fun(-ish). Now it's just people ignoring reality, repeating the same things, trashing each other's nationalities, and calling each other names ... oh and some sexism thrown in for good measure.
What happened to the dumpster fires.
Seems like a pretty accurate microcosm of political reality these days?
BREAKING!: https://howbidenstoletheelection.com/
I’m glad I clicked on that.
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Oh, we talking about Malcolm X now? Cool. Cool.
You don't like apples, you say? Well just wait until you hear about ORANGES!
If you feel like you made a good point in this thread, just wait a few posts and you'll get another chance when the goalposts magically move.
My copy of The Fountainhead is sandwiched on my bookshelf between a Che Guevarra biography and Isabel Allende's, La casa de los espíritus.
Oranges? You mean Chinese apples!
Never read Ayn Rand, am reading the Dalai Lama however and ‘How To Be Compassionate’
Does it have a chapter on treating people well while disagreeing with their governments? Or does it say "be sure to lump everyone into a category based on whatever thing connects them that you hate and then browbeat them with it until they decide you're an asshole?"
It must be nice living in a world where everything is black and white with absolutely no gray.
It makes me ill, that a troglodyte brings up a great man like Malcom, and only focuses on out of context quotes, without acknowledging the relevant context, or that the beloved minister evolved, is gross beyond words.
"He dropped the Black Muslims’ line of promoting black capitalism, in a way which Breitman shows must have been deliberate and considered — though he never openly argued against it, and never came out clearly with an alternative.
He denounced capitalism: “You can’t have capitalism without racism... You can’t operate a capitalistic system unless you are vulturistic; you have to have someone else’s blood to suck to be a capitalist...” He told Breitman’s comrade Harry Ring that he “felt it necessary for his people to consider socialist solutions to their problem. But as the leader of the movement, he said, it was necessary to present this concept in a way that would be understandable to his people and would not isolate him from them”."
Your both-sides-ism is disgusting.
Ayn Rand was waste of flesh, wrote some fiction, had little impact on anyone worth talking about, was wrong about everything, and sucked the teat of socialism when it suited her. In other words; a typical, good for nothing, Libertarian whore.
“Does it have a chapter on treating people well while disagreeing with their governments? ”
It’s about the fact that negative emotions such as anger will only cause more anger. Therefore I will always try to treat people well when pointing out their supporting of mass murdering American imperialist pigs. So the book is basically a lesson about your American imperialism (by the people that you vote for so passionately) and how you bully the world in fulfilling your needs at the expense of others and that that will never really satisfy and only cause more hurt.
“Or does it say "be sure to lump everyone into a category based on whatever thing connects them that you hate and then browbeat them with it until they decide you're an asshole?"”
Not everybody is lumped into that category, but people like yourself who vote for warmongering imperialistic mass murderers are in it obviously. I can really recommend the book, such negative connotations and emotions as to calling people an asshole will only make you suffer more and get more anger in return and won’t bring you any further or open a peaceful dialogue. Namaste!
I'm an equal opportunity whore caller; laxative, you're a whore, Paul Ryan is a whore, Trump is a whore. John Paul II is a whore. They all sucked the same teat.
YOU. DON'T. KNOW. WHO. I. VOTE. FOR.
And calling you an asshole isn't harming to my health, unless the truth is harmful.
Now you're even shouting, think of your blood pressure! And I do know who you vote for, it's called deductive reasoning...you vote for mass murdering American imperialists that support the military industrial complex.
^meh
You're a prick, rando.
I might be a prick but I’m right and you vote for mass murdering American imperialists that support the military industrial complex who wage illegal wars all over the planet, I’d rather be the prick...
You're not right and are also a prick.
Wouldn’t have guessed you were a Trump voter but here we are...I honestly deducted you voted Dronebama, Killary or GI Joe Biden
Keep assuming, ass.
Happy Thanksgiving, you prick.
Happy? Sorry but I don’t celebrate genocide...
Hahaha. What a prick.
Yeah you are... “One indication of moral progress in the United States would be the replacement of Thanksgiving Day and its self-indulgent family feasting with a National Day of Atonement accompanied by a self-reflective collective fasting.”
But you just be you SP, totally fits with who you vote for: supporting mass murder abroad and genocide at home...
Go tell it to Zwarte Piet, ya prick.
Red Herring!
Hey SneakyPiet don’t forget your red herring!
“ That’s doesn’t sound like much fun. ”
Since when is genocide fun?
You fuckers don't like it when whataboutisms get used on you, but you sure do love to shove them into your posts any chance you get. I'm just here to point out the HYPOCRACY.
Hilarious.
If the shoe fits...go fuck off with your whataboutery, go celebrate some genocide and vote for mass murderers SneakyPilates...namaste hahaha!
You're not very funny.
And you’re not very sneaky! Exposing your hypocrisy and whataboutery is great fun though, thanks!
x-jla, I think it is inappropriate to be celebrating, Germans don’t celebrate the 1st of September, nor do the Poles, and for good reason im(h)o.
The only things you're exposing are your own figurative genitals. Shall we continue kicking them?
Honestly, the Dutch are such a pompous, insignificant little tit of a country, all they can do is punch up. It's a good thing we sent them McDonald's and KFC, without it, the spiciest thing they'd have to eat, and probably the most interesting culinary feat, is that damn cookie. I mean the most relevant things that Holland is known for are things they stole from other countries, blue painted ceramic, China, flowers, Turkey, painting, Italy, slave trade in the western world, they invented that. I mean America wouldn't be America if it wasn't for the failings of Dutch "diplomacy" and their bending over for Adolf. America may be responsible for bombing countries, more than half of America disagrees with, but who in Holland is going to hold their country accountable for Rem and the Dutch working with tyrants and dictators throughout the world? Not the Dutch of course, their cowardice is well known.
Ah whatab3tism 2.0 joined the party, great!
Five words you'll never hear on this planet; What do the Dutch think? You know why? No one gives a shit.
The Dutch are like Jed Klampet, went hunting, shot a hole in the ground, black shit bubbles up, and they think they discovered oil.
*You forgot to insert an Austin Powers meme, and apparently you do give a shit or you wouldn’t be replying! :-P
See what I meme? I never asked what you thought.
"apparently you do give a shit or you wouldn’t be replying"
Replying is a form of shit cleaning, in this case.
Sure SP, whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night...I wouldn’t be able to if I’d vote for mass murderers and imperialists like you do. What’s your secret, narcotics or alcohol or both like b3ta?
Naw, neither, racist slave trader, imperialist OG. I forget, do they allow you to vote in Holland, or does the Queen not allow that?
*neither racist nor slave trader nor imperialist OG. There fixed it for ya!
And fyi when I vote I don't vote for imperialist mass murderers as you do by supporting Dronebama, Killary and GI Joe Biden...all that blood on your hands, your keyboard must be a freakin' mess!
I see you human market trader. You might be able to paste over good tasting food with whatever suffices as sustanence in that northern European country, but you can't whitewash your history. All that paste in your hands, your djick must be a ramshackle of nubbin. I'd go on about the blood of the Dutch, but I haven't found that you have a pulse...sad, really sad about the Dutch, they were never great.
The only fact here is that how you personally vote b3ta, you support imperialism, war crimes and mass murder. You can try to pin Dutch failings on me personally, but I've never supported any mass murder or imperialism with my vote. You have and continue to do so...
This is just for you.
You're as predictable as my bowel movements...
You get such glee from being a prick. What a prick.
I wish I didn't have to be...
Spoiler alert: You don't.
Of course I have to, I wouldn't be able to look myself in the mirror if I didn't rub your face in it time and time again that you're supporting war criminals, mass murderers and imperialists with your vote. You know just as well that silence or neutrality on such pressing matters always supports the oppressor/aggressor!
You are a disingenuous prick. I know it gives you a chub to pretend to be better, but you're still just a pathetic, lying prick.
One new poll finds that 30% of the Democrats think the election was stolen from Trump.
But unfortunately there is no hard evidence to back up the stealing, I haven’t seen it at least. So they either didn’t do it or they are getting away with it...
Yeah. Rasmussen. Incredibly accurate.
jla, i don't think we're doing "deplorables" any more. edward nortan had a very informative tweet where he introduced the new moniker "10-ply-super-soft bitch." i hope that's more palatable for yours and volunteer's tribe. https://twitter.com/EdwardNort...
Volunteer, I saw someone else post that stat but they could not back it up with a link, and I couldn't find it online. I don't believe it for a second, unless they are including gerrymandering, kneecapping the postal service, removing polling stations where people are likely to vote Democratic, and other actions that benefit Republicans. But if it's legitimate I'd like to know.
Protip: When a media outlet chooses to use the word "Whoa" in a headline, question it's bias and journalistic integrity.
The poll the article cites was conducted by Rasmussen. They don't mention this stat in their own write-up, and the polling data is hidden behind a paywall so I'm not able to directly verify it, nor the question (which may or may not be misunderstood/leading). I'm not finding other news sources to corroborate what the article is stating, though it is notable that Rasmussen retweeted a similar article quoting the first indicating that the polling data backs it up. However, Rasmussen isn't regarded as a high quality pollster so I'd treat it with skepticism until other polling agencies start to see the same type of data. As far as what I can find, this is simply one data point, which may be misrepresenting reality reported on by a less than factual and extremely biased media outlet.
My comment that you're quoting was in reference to media corroboration. I've seen the one article you posted pulling out the "30% of Democrats" number that you're fixating on as proof of something. The article that Rasmussen tweeted wasn't corroboration because it was simply quoting the first. In other words, if the 30% was all that notable, you'd find many media outlets reporting on it from lots of different political biases. So far there seems to be only one, with one more that is copy/pasting that one, and a polling firm tweeting about the second. That there isn't wide media corroboration calls into question the validity of the claim being made by the one outlet pushing the narrative. The fact that that same media outlet is regarded as extremely biased, has been found to fail fact checking, and is regarded as questionable means that you probably shouldn't give much weight at all to the claim until it is corroborated by other reputable news sources. Beyond that, your claim that the poll calls into question Biden's election is very far from reality.
The poll doesn't call into question Biden's election at all ... that's your own perceptual bias of the data coming through. The data indicates that a portion of people think the election was stolen from Trump (something plenty of media outlets have reported by referencing this poll and others). You are simply cherry picking the data from one poll (30% of Democrats think the election was stolen from Trump) to support your belief that the election was fraudulent ... something with no evidence to support it (people's beliefs expressed to pollsters is not evidence regardless of their political affiliation). What the poll does call into question is the validity of polling people's beliefs as a way to ascertain the reality of events. It also calls into question the general education of the American electorate but that's something else entirely.
how about the federal appellate courts that keeping kicking out his frivolous lawsuits? i like to think they're pretty middle of the road and not too biased.
Trump's lawsuits get tossed by his own appointees.
So, Trump appointed some very fine people that are doing a very fine job!
Happy Thanksgiving everyone, or as Ayn Rand liked to call it; Fuck Giving I'm Taking All Your Shit, but I'll have Pecan Pie if You Don't Mind, Day!
“Fuck Giving I'm Taking All Your Shit, but I'll have Pecan Pie if You Don't Mind, Day!”
That’s exactly how the Native Americans view your holiday...well put!
Um, First Nations People. Get it right. You people seem to forget something key; We, are you, and you are Us.
Thanksgiving was in October. Ya'll late to the party. Please send leftovers and 2 slices of pumpkin pie.
that's because you guys measure Thanksgiving in metric
Twitters new censor: “As a queer women of color who is an Asian American in tech in rural America, that experience is a very intersectional one." (Her verbatim words)
Dunno, I would start her out in a remedial writing course.
Libertarians are classified in DSM-5
You mean how "Twitters" is spelled incorrectly? You racist, misogynist hump.
Ayn Rand was a waste of flesh, and a liar.
Much like Trump, she gave the selfish license to be more selfish. We can't move forward as a society if everyone only worries about themselves.
You try and you try and you try to come up with pithy sayings of substance buy all you ever
end up with is a tangled mess of words.
Oh, I cannot wait to see what your addlepated brain can come up with to draw, considering the amount of skill you show with words.
Oh, is that what that idiotic, outdated, and pathetically abused flag is called?
Again, the ADJECTIVE describes the NOUN.
The question is based on a flawed premise. I don't fight straw men. You are, as usual, begging the question. You're a bundle of logical fallacies. You are a human-shaped waste of time.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I had you on ignore for years, you tiny intellect. Thanks for giving me the impetus for doing it again. The entire forum thanks you, since my replies to you seem to only cause you to double down on your abject stupidity and tenacious ignorance.
Have we discussed this from Politico re: 'Toke-lahoma', yet?
Discussion? In this thread? You'd be better off asking "Has x-lax defectated endlessly onto this topic yet?"
I think the medical marijuana farce is sad. This country needs the farcical step of pretending that it's about medicinals to get to the logical step of decriminalizing and then legalizing what has historically been used to control and punish people the state finds problematic. Typical hand wringing bullshit.
I reserve my intellectual efforts for people whom I respect and show respect towards others.
Stumbled upon this and thought some of you might be interested in reading this:
“Something very strange happened in America’s democracy in the early hours of Wednesday November 4 and the days that followed. It’s reasonable for a lot of Americans to want to find out exactly what.
First, consider some facts. President Trump received more votes than any previous incumbent seeking reelection. He got 11 million more votes than in 2016, the third largest rise in support ever for an incumbent. By way of comparison, President Obama was comfortably reelected in 2012 with 3.5 million fewer votes than he received in 2008.
Trump’s vote increased so much because, according to exit polls, he performed far better with many key demographic groups. Ninety-five percent of Republicans voted for him. He did extraordinarily well with rural male working-class whites.
He earned the highest share of all minority votes for a Republican since 1960. Trump grew his support among black voters by 50 percent over 2016. Nationally, Joe Biden’s black support fell well below 90 percent, the level below which Democratic presidential candidates usually lose.
Trump increased his share of the national Hispanic vote to 35 percent. With 60 percent or less of the national Hispanic vote, it is arithmetically impossible for a Democratic presidential candidate to win Florida, Arizona, Nevada, and New Mexico. Bellwether states swung further in Trump’s direction than in 2016. Florida, Ohio and Iowa each defied America’s media polls with huge wins for Trump. Since 1852, only Richard Nixon has lost the Electoral College after winning this trio, and that 1960 defeat to John F. Kennedy is still the subject of great suspicion.
Midwestern states Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin always swing in the same direction as Ohio and Iowa, their regional peers. Ohio likewise swings with Florida. Current tallies show that, outside of a few cities, the Rust Belt swung in Trump’s direction. Yet, Biden leads in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin because of an apparent avalanche of black votes in Detroit, Philadelphia, and Milwaukee. Biden’s ‘winning’ margin was derived almost entirely from such voters in these cities, as coincidentally his black vote spiked only in exactly the locations necessary to secure victory. He did not receive comparable levels of support among comparable demographic groups in comparable states, which is highly unusual for the presidential victor.
We are told that Biden won more votes nationally than any presidential candidate in history. But he won a record low of 17 percent of counties; he only won 524 counties, as opposed to the 873 counties Obama won in 2008. Yet, Biden somehow outdid Obama in total votes.
Victorious presidential candidates, especially challengers, usually have down-ballot coattails; Biden did not. The Republicans held the Senate and enjoyed a ‘red wave’ in the House, where they gained a large number of seats while winning all 27 toss-up contests. Trump’s party did not lose a single state legislature and actually made gains at the state level.
Another anomaly is found in the comparison between the polls and non-polling metrics. The latter include: party registrations trends; the candidates’ respective primary votes; candidate enthusiasm; social media followings; broadcast and digital media ratings; online searches; the number of (especially small) donors; and the number of individuals betting on each candidate.
Despite poor recent performances, media and academic polls have an impressive 80 percent record predicting the winner during the modern era. But, when the polls err, non-polling metrics do not; the latter have a 100 percent record. Every non-polling metric forecast Trump’s reelection. For Trump to lose this election, the mainstream polls needed to be correct, which they were not. Furthermore, for Trump to lose, not only did one or more of these metrics have to be wrong for the first time ever, but every single one had to be wrong, and at the very same time; not an impossible outcome, but extremely unlikely nonetheless.
Atypical voting patterns married with misses by polling and non-polling metrics should give observers pause for thought. Adding to the mystery is a cascade of information about the bizarre manner in which so many ballots were accumulated and counted.
The following peculiarities also lack compelling explanations:
1. Late on election night, with Trump comfortably ahead, many swing states stopped counting ballots. In most cases, observers were removed from the counting facilities. Counting generally continued without the observers
2. Statistically abnormal vote counts were the new normal when counting resumed. They were unusually large in size (hundreds of thousands) and had an unusually high (90 percent and above) Biden-to-Trump ratio
3. Late arriving ballots were counted. In Pennsylvania, 23,000 absentee ballots have impossible postal return dates and another 86,000 have such extraordinary return dates they raise serious questions
4. The failure to match signatures on mail-in ballots. The destruction of mail-in ballot envelopes, which must contain signatures
5. Historically low absentee ballot rejection rates despite the massive expansion of mail voting. Such is Biden’s narrow margin that, as political analyst Robert Barnes observes, ‘If the states simply imposed the same absentee ballot rejection rate as recent cycles, then Trump wins the election’
6. Missing votes. In Delaware County, Pennsylvania, 50,000 votes held on 47 USB cards are missing
7. Non-resident voters. Matt Braynard’s Voter Integrity Project estimates that 20,312 people who no longer met residency requirements cast ballots in Georgia. Biden’s margin is 12,670 votes
8. Serious ‘chain of custody’ breakdowns. Invalid residential addresses. Record numbers of dead people voting. Ballots in pristine condition without creases, that is, they had not been mailed in envelopes as required by law
9. Statistical anomalies. In Georgia, Biden overtook Trump with 89 percent of the votes counted. For the next 53 batches of votes counted, Biden led Trump by the same exact 50.05 to 49.95 percent margin in every single batch. It is particularly perplexing that all statistical anomalies and tabulation abnormalities were in Biden’s favor. Whether the cause was simple human error or nefarious activity, or a combination, clearly something peculiar happened.
If you think that only weirdos have legitimate concerns about these findings and claims, maybe the weirdness lies in you.”
Patrick Basham is director of the Democracy Institute.
"How to Lie with Statistics"
If you google Patrick Basham his primary claim to fame is decades of work as a Pro-Tobacco lobbyist, so maybe not the most - uh - "neutral" figure here.
Or “How to Steal an Election”...who knows?
Lots of people know. The election wasn't stolen and there isn't any credible evidence to suggest it was. Stop repeating bullshit.
I've been seeing bits and pieces of this being posted by those who believe the election was stolen. My favorite part is the # of counties vs # of votes. Yep. OK.
Can someone refresh my memory: In the last election, where democrats also this hell-bent on trying to find the "truth"?
Is it that hard to cite your sources when you copy/paste an entire article to the forum? I've linked it above for posterity, and I'll include an article that devotes the latter half to debunking his stupid "peculiarities" ... next time do your own homework.
Seriously though, you should all be embarrased that it is this easy to refute the crap you're all posting.
scraping the bottom of the barrel, as usual. just waiting for an unhinged rant about american imperialism.. any minute now.
but seriously, this is some boomer shit. it's called a link..
EA, it’s not hard to cite sources, you’re doing an excellent job ;-)
I’m just posting it to, you know, inform you all of other angles and perspectives. The mainstream angle is just accepted as is, eaten up with a spoon, like Colin Powell’s weapons of mass destruction. You might be forced into an illegitimate presidency just like you were forced into an illegal war (waving at you square.)...And you all can’t seem to be bothered all too much because this time it is your preferred candidate that apparently drew the longer end of the stick. Just knowing America’s dirty past and present with interfering in elections world wide, why is it so hard for people to consider interference at home by the same powers that be, the same powers that are supposed to make sure the elections are run clean...Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence
@Archinect, thanks for hiding the misleading, factually-challenged posts.
At every forum I have participated in reposting content that was censured is a bannable offense.
That was quick. Just Rick'ed from the thread though, not a complete nuke from the site.
Of the individuals who find it arousing to make unfounded claims based on their own personal fantasy head-cannon, Volunteer is far from the worst.
Fingers crossed, SneakyPete, fingers crossed(!)
Censorship and calling for the banning of people who don’t buy into their version of events...simply 1984-ish Newspeak(!)
It’s called head-canon, NewspeakyPete, or Head-QAnon obviously!
jla, I'm curious if you can point to three posts here on archinect (any thread) from the past three weeks that you think are factually challenged coming from the "left." Please provide evidence (as I have) that they are misleading.
I've got my three as follows (all from Politics Central):
I didn't call for shit, I simply stated an observation based on my experience. Are you suggesting that Volunteer should be banned? That's what it seems like you are saying.
I'd even allow you to use Non's post claiming Thanksgiving was in October as misleading based on context, but it's neither factually-challenged, nor from the left ... so unfortunately, it won't likely work.
You know exactly what you did SP by hinting at other forums and their policies, you’d never post that if it was e.g. square. or b3ta reposting previously censored content and you know it all too well, don’t kid yourself...
Hey now, what did I do? My thanksgiving post was well positioned as attempt to inject some humour. It's not like I tripled-down like a certain other "stellar" norther-european student did recently.
Dutch People Are Dicks. Here’s Why Americans Should Try It.
Not saying it's true, but some people are saying it is.
I didn't call for anyone to be banned, but you did.
Have you read the article b3ta? It’s a tribute!
“I didn't call for anyone to be banned, but you did.”
I took your (way too obvious) hint and ran with it...just to show the consequences of your post. Can’t even admit you wanted Volunteer banned, what a cowardly dick move...
I stated an experience. You refuse to own what you said after. Prick.
random, I did read it, and two things came to mind; you and I are neither of the people described, i'll tell you to your face you're a cunt - with all the british I can muster, because if there's one thing I know, brits know how to call em' - and you're not a djick, you're what is referred to as a ^
You stated that experience for one reason and one reason only...whatever you try to tell yourself, you know exactly why you brought it up there...username checks out!
B3ta, that’s cultural appropriation!
It's still here. It's also more than 3 weeks old, but I'll allow it.
In fact, I recall you posting some stupid Shapiro video that was misleading because he was taking anonymous hearsay on reddit (or something) as fact rather than the multiple first-hand accounts, attributable to actual people and journalists, that contradicted him. I rebutted you there and you can find it in my comment history. That's 4 for me. Try again.
Remember the task you have is to point to misleading or non-factual claims from the left ... not give me more to add to my list.
Again, I urge you to point to the instances you're alluding to. If b3ta said police were hunting down black people, you should be able to find it and cite it. And so on for the rest of your complaints. You're spending time creating straw men rather than pointing to anything concrete. If you point to something concrete, I'll happily flag the post for you and comment that it is misleading and should be hidden. Or you know, you could do it.
This whole concept that conservatives have (and I'm lumping you in there) that flagging content needs to be equal to both sides is ridiculous because they aren't realizing that both sides are not equally spreading misinformation. 100 Trump tweets got flagged, 0 Biden tweets got flagged means ... *checks notes* ... Trump posts misleading information and Biden doesn't, not that big tech is part of a deep state conspiracy against conservatism.
The shitty men list was taken down, so not an example of unbiased censorship and no points for you.
Also, I'm not asking you to comb through past threads, you're doing that on your own. I asked you to point to three within the past three weeks. Which you can't even come close to.
Conversely, you're allowed to say nothing. Readers are capable of critical thinking. Don't need a 50 post tirade on every bit of minutia.
I've been posting much less since October (been online less in general), mostly a side-effect of having a full plate again, but also has been good for my mental state. I'd recommend you try it.
Nothing can be "100%" debunked or confirmed, sometimes even when experienced directly. Such is the malleability of perception and memory. Such also is the nature of conspiracy theories: any information that challenges the theory becomes, to the believer, part of the conspiracy. Understanding that is a step towards understanding that filtering information is not always "censorship" but often an important part of maintaining a coherent consensus of reality.
"I just wish 'fact' enforcement applied to the left too" --jla (twice yesterday)
"I don't want ANYONE censored." --jla (today)
"Let the facts either stand up to scrutiny or fall to scrutiny."
They are. So far it's 4-0 in favor of my scrutiny. Thanks for playing.
"I don't want any fact checks" --jla
"Let the facts either stand up to scrutiny or fall to scrutiny." --jla (in the same breath)
Like, what do you think a fact check is?
It sure isn't. I can't wait to watch you have it again in a few days.
tduds, I don't want to give that a thumbs up as it might be misconstrued as encouragement, but I'm with you 100%
lol, the posts in question did not stand up to scrutiny. They were eviscerated, and then hidden (still available to anyone who registers with the website). They were only removed as a byproduct of the user getting upset about it and reposting it again so as to avoid it being associated with the previous scrutiny.
At this point, what would you rather have? Would you rather have a petulant child to be able to continuously repost the same thing over and over again, spamming us all with their misleading and error-filled posts without suffering any consequences? At what point does his freedom to post garbage conflict with my freedom to participate on a website free of garbage? Who's individual freedom should win out? Seems like the website owner gets to make that call, no?
tduds, looks like you didn't have to wait a few days to see it all over again.
Wow I didn't even have to wait a few days.
"Removing posts is unnecessary" --jla's opinion
"The website owner can make the call." --also jla
Thank you for sharing your opinion. I think the website owners are making their own calls independent of your opinion.
Ideas are not identities.
Refusing to bake a cake because of a customer's sexual orientation is discrimination against a protected class. AFIK education and/or ability to think critically is not a protected class under anti-discrimination law. If you want to lobby congress to make being stupid a protected class, by all means, proceed. Then we can have the discussion on equal footing where the question would be, do companies have the right to discriminate against stupid people?
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