I don\t find it that bad going Roman and asking logic and beauty even not realising arts is a social game and beauty is just an illution unless you create with actural means. I still wonder what is wrong, replacing the old way\s .placing a window making an account producing a rigid framework of same profiles and strait steel and fittings ,with a method where what you draw can shape whatever, a box or a lion and do it from one material cut with today\s tools.
You Romans simply lack emagination or maby mind is so torn by evil and lack of feel or vish for vision, ---- when the means are there no one want to make money no one want to se.
ok this is getting a little rediculous. per has got to be loving this...this is one of the longest running posts i have seen yet...and people are still bitching about per's work!!...amazing
alfredocheese --- where did I talk about paper folded < are you blind or can\t you hear. Why do you talk about folded paper I am not ,where difd you get the idea that I am talking about folded paper : must I repeat my question where in Hell did you se me talk about folding this in paper are you sure your lack of emagination is not blinding your ability to understand or se. READ what I write and you will realise I talk about 12 millimeter steel sheet.
YOU have a rambling emagination --- YOU are talking about your limited emagination Damn havn\t you even followed the links and could these links only make you think about paper, You are not even Roman bet you lack humor to.
alfredocheese if you make a castle of shit it will stink if it is made in stone it proberly was made when stones was what there was avaible. Now if you was an architect and posted a design and somone then ansvered that this is impossible in paper what would you think abuut that gurk , why are you here are you just another dryass usenet fanatic who think there are hippies around in architect groups.
Folded paper folded paper in YOUR mind , have you even read the tread that this go directly from CAD drawing to cutting steel sheets how the hell can you then refere folded paper, ---- there are only one use for that guess what.
This has been the most hilarious thread I have read on Archinect 2.0
It reminds me of the threads on Archinect 1 re Philip Nixon. Please don't ban this guy.
Yeah, it's always good to stop by every once in a while, but it's a bit like too many new seasons for a good tv show, after a while it's always the same...
per corell, if you notice i was actually agreeing with your ideas/thought process.
i was admiring your application of an invention/concept and its potential for exploration/further design
i guess i worded myself a little too clear and simple. I shall obscure my thought with more words and theory next time so that others may understand..
funny how the opposite of what i was intending happened
but i intend to study to become one in the future... perhaps i may seem a tad simple minded in relation to most of you, but i guess i am an anomaly in the architectural world.
which is not to say i cant understand you guys. sometimes, its better to be simple in this growingly complex world. The more we learn, the more information that exists around us, or is at least opened up to us.. correct?
which leads us to believe that we are advancing--evolution or what not
i am just using folding paper as a basic, simple, beautiful idea, which can open up to complexity.
And your basic notion of the 3D-H may not seem so simple, but it is. and it can open up to complexities.
The idea of folding paper didnt result in architecture made out of paper, nor architecture that is simply "folded" --
In the same way, your 3D-H boats will just open up a new dialogue that can be used and explored.
Sorry alfredocheese guess it\s becaurse I once had a discussion with a guy who simply could not se it as anything but folded paper, it took weeks to turn the focus from this guy\s wrong perception , sorry I took it out on you.
I want that on the back of my BMV black, leather, motorcycle jacket.
Is there some way I can jump from the first page to the last, here, without having to wade through the previous pages. Yes I have telephone connection.
gustav - you can jump directly to the end by modifying the URL. for example, if the thread has 450 comments and you only want to read the last 10, change the end of the URL to something like this:
threads.php?id=8091_440_42_0 (8091 is the number of the discussion)
Well there is always www.threadless.com :) I doubt we'll be able to get enough votes, though. Oh and sorry for reviving this thread... wait no... LIVE THREAD, LIVE! MUHAHAHA.
i don't think the message will have the same impact on threadless.
we can include this shirt with our first run of shirts. they're getting made next week. we can include this one if there's enough interest.
Sorry I can\t be so active these day\s , Im\m moving my things to a new flat and I guess you know what this mean when you climb your way thru decades of projects ,given up prototypes small remains loads of A4 sheets aincient carpenter tools and tonns of toys clotches and then just the thought to bring it down the stairs from 5\s floor.
Hopefully, as this also mean that I can soon again start making vector drawings with my old A0 CalComb pen plotter , I will be in buisness again within a month or so, but meanwhile I also have to decide if I realy am so genouras about the old programs I used for the boatbuilding projects < I have to consider if anyone even will be able to use the programs ,if there are even interest in old unfolding rutines for objects made with special AutoCAD functions where maby knowing what acturly happen in the program is that much a part of it, ---- well I can ask myself @Per do you realy mean it, do you belive in public domain , ---- do I realy belive that when somone profited from the software I plan to leave for free download, to gain atleast the credit, well time will show I guess there are no way back .
Ofcaurse I will be here , I also hope that you all know that the only thing I ever asked was the credit , but untill I have my things together it can\t be that much writing , ------ please feel free to act in the spirit of true graphics lovers I can say with the words of one of my favorite actors :
Sorry if I made this into a personal thing, as you all know my messeage is, that we shuld look closer to what these architecture application realy offer ---- do architecture realy profit from just re-writing the old rutines do architecture propose the new manufactoring methods ,is 20 different steel profiles realy mor efficient and offer a better vision ,than what can be made with just one plain material.
I guess you all realised that my best option have been to show some inspiring graphics, but there are more to it ,my pony is that it is the core process that the artist must also have the feel about the matter ,that to make a real change it is not enough to alter the surface or form that the reson to do that ,must be a deeper need to mirror the fact difference when a structure realy is made in a complete different method ---- and I hope that this tread did put forth the critic that is needed to change things , so a new technike can yield the new jobs the progress and the knowleage about why some technikes after 20 years , can show to be a dead end . Some of you taken this as a harsh critic , but realy you se as harsh a protective attitude from technikes that once had the same promises ---- well CAD is not just doing things fast and splendid ,drawing the first line with a CAD station can be just as hard as the first line with a pen and I guess I alway\s start with a sketch , this I guess have been the difficult thing : to ensure that a CAD guy suffer the exact same troubles but ontop have to develob the technikes , re think what the end result must be and then in a discussion prove that your results ,if they must work within a brand new concept cant\s be how things alway\s was. To put a new vision into somthing like architecture ask great humor ,this is the only way to point to the often strange facts , --- also as architects most often do very different things than just showing off splendid new designs, I hope you se, that this Pony is not a personal thing , I just have to do it ,desire is irelevant I am a mashin.
Hi
Sorry but there are some problems reading the site ; I alway's liked the flash like speed and the graphic aproach of many architecture and design sites ,those where making a site is more than just plain HTML.
Still I also every time I visit one of these sites blame the designer that the print is so small that you get a bit confused when parts of the screen suddenly change and within an even smaller text you must find the links that acturly respond. -------- I don't know if you se my point, but I realy fancy smart pages and the way web tools can be used it look better and the speed is good but to often it is a try and check ,it is often difficult to navigate and if you are looking for somthing particular it can be frustrating to wander thru exotic new gimmicks ( even some of them can be quite exiting ) .
Get my point -------- fact is that people older than 40 simply need glasses and if the text and background plus a flashing picture is what you se when you are looking for a menu, you are left with a sense that it is bad that the designer don't think just a bit about that somone without knowing anything, must find a way find some pictures ,but often the graphics are hidden among links you don't intend to read.
I love this t shirt punkt. And I'm glad this thread as started again. I'm all for the archinect shirts. Actually there should be a serie. Like a new style every quarter or so.
Pay no attention to these philistines. Small minds never understand great minds. You and I know that beneath the unremarkable appearance of your work lies truly original and visionary genius. Even the self deprecating wit of concealing what you’ve done behind a clever absurdist parody of Jessie Rieser and Bill Massie and SHoP and all those fools pretending to address the issues of computer generated form and mass customization sparkles with the gleam of brilliance.
Young architects in America need to learn what you have to teach. You should come here and join the faculty at Columbia, a school where your ideas will find the most fertile ground to grow to fruition. The person you should speak to is their new dean, who just came there from teaching at Princeton. Of course you can’t contact him directly, you must be introduced, what you need to is to make contact with a successful Princeton alum who can help you make the connection. It seems that your best bet is Micha Conagra he is well connected in the elite architecture circles here in this country and will have the intellect to appreciate your work. You can mostly contact him at his work in Frank Gehry’s office. I’m sure he’s very busy but if you are persistent an insist on meeting him in person to show him your work I’m sure he will realize it’s importance and help you secure a faculty position.
as'per'useal you again hide yourself behind a fake name you say you "again" tried to make sense --- well is''t the first mail you post, it say zero entities and one comment, isn't the fact that all you have to display is the same old group bullying that you can't know both about boat design and architecture at the same time and that your messeage is only about cheating and bullying.
Now didn't this happen before isn't this somthing that stick so deep that alway's you been hounting and harassing the true visionary and praised the dead prophets ? Those who's words you can twist and turn upside down as not they can't batter you can't hount you for your only social skill you master the bullying and dirty writing the top of your preferences.
Who would you be, would you be the priests that tried to make Jesus say one wrong word so you could strangle the truth and make yourself the master of stinking hell, ---- if you was among the few who had the chance to listen to him, would your messeage then be hate and obvious bullying would you even deal with the words would you want the Tsunami victims to get a new life and a hope for future.
Just ansver yes or no, display your inner wish and what values you realy protect, the vision or the hate. --- Did you btw. grow as your master down there promised , by displaying your filth and bullying your whole mental potential ?
Then one who studied the law come to him and ask --- not to get an ansver but to justify himself, Guess we all know this kind of questions they ask only in the hope that the one who ansver, will ansver in a way that will make him "impossible" in the minds of those who listen, or by twisting the words make the ansver silli ---- and if he do not ansver or ansver somthing they don't expect they will display a head shaking attitude
saying "there you se" .
So keep hounting the living visionary and praise the dead make social skills replace the true vision and if somone ask how to fabricate all those new boats and make the new jobs, offer them barbed wire and dirt bags.
Read this intire tread in the spirit explained above and it will make the sense those who hide their names ,those who ansver with dirty words and porn pictures are capable to se.
Listen I am a designer the issue is the method the options you have at hand.
Don't want a cabin a third the cost, well cristian you are not stupid to not realising the facts that design matter. I design building methods 20 years ago I made boats, then what arn't you allowed to be ahead the times, this 3D-Honeycomb that would produce to many life saving boats at the cost of nothing in 3,5 years.
Well seem like others had 25 years, sure --- I know but I also know 20 year old computermeshes and know what they cover, not the care of mankind the care of evil.
Maby it is the promise of pressing a button and you get the assembly for the cabin at a third the cost four times as strong assembled. The option of a new architecture that allow square rooms in organic shaped buildings.
A new tool whare architects is not to place windows just to count up an account -- unless it's the new jobs the cheap flats the possible beauty oposed trend architecture.
Maby the vision ?
Hi all you fancy graphics lovers
Hi
I don\t find it that bad going Roman and asking logic and beauty even not realising arts is a social game and beauty is just an illution unless you create with actural means. I still wonder what is wrong, replacing the old way\s .placing a window making an account producing a rigid framework of same profiles and strait steel and fittings ,with a method where what you draw can shape whatever, a box or a lion and do it from one material cut with today\s tools.
You Romans simply lack emagination or maby mind is so torn by evil and lack of feel or vish for vision, ---- when the means are there no one want to make money no one want to se.
hey per... so what you are saying, ur example is the depiction of a concept....
i.e. a paper folded:: what does that translate into architecture (expand to...)
now, per's model:: what does it translate into building technology/architecture...(expand this to...)
ok this is getting a little rediculous. per has got to be loving this...this is one of the longest running posts i have seen yet...and people are still bitching about per's work!!...amazing
Hi
alfredocheese --- where did I talk about paper folded < are you blind or can\t you hear. Why do you talk about folded paper I am not ,where difd you get the idea that I am talking about folded paper : must I repeat my question where in Hell did you se me talk about folding this in paper are you sure your lack of emagination is not blinding your ability to understand or se. READ what I write and you will realise I talk about 12 millimeter steel sheet.
YOU have a rambling emagination --- YOU are talking about your limited emagination Damn havn\t you even followed the links and could these links only make you think about paper, You are not even Roman bet you lack humor to.
alfredocheese if you make a castle of shit it will stink if it is made in stone it proberly was made when stones was what there was avaible. Now if you was an architect and posted a design and somone then ansvered that this is impossible in paper what would you think abuut that gurk , why are you here are you just another dryass usenet fanatic who think there are hippies around in architect groups.
Folded paper folded paper in YOUR mind , have you even read the tread that this go directly from CAD drawing to cutting steel sheets how the hell can you then refere folded paper, ---- there are only one use for that guess what.
This has been the most hilarious thread I have read on Archinect 2.0
It reminds me of the threads on Archinect 1 re Philip Nixon. Please don't ban this guy.
Yeah, it's always good to stop by every once in a while, but it's a bit like too many new seasons for a good tv show, after a while it's always the same...
Hi
Ok got the hint ---- now you ask more fancy graphics right.
per corell, if you notice i was actually agreeing with your ideas/thought process.
i was admiring your application of an invention/concept and its potential for exploration/further design
i guess i worded myself a little too clear and simple. I shall obscure my thought with more words and theory next time so that others may understand..
funny how the opposite of what i was intending happened
oh and the folded paper, it was just an example of a simple concept that can be expanded upon.
my apologies
(hey per, not EVERYone is against you, you know)
oh and i am not an architect either.
but i intend to study to become one in the future... perhaps i may seem a tad simple minded in relation to most of you, but i guess i am an anomaly in the architectural world.
which is not to say i cant understand you guys. sometimes, its better to be simple in this growingly complex world. The more we learn, the more information that exists around us, or is at least opened up to us.. correct?
which leads us to believe that we are advancing--evolution or what not
i am just using folding paper as a basic, simple, beautiful idea, which can open up to complexity.
And your basic notion of the 3D-H may not seem so simple, but it is. and it can open up to complexities.
The idea of folding paper didnt result in architecture made out of paper, nor architecture that is simply "folded" --
In the same way, your 3D-H boats will just open up a new dialogue that can be used and explored.
Hi
Sorry alfredocheese guess it\s becaurse I once had a discussion with a guy who simply could not se it as anything but folded paper, it took weeks to turn the focus from this guy\s wrong perception , sorry I took it out on you.
*Bump*
I want that on the back of my BMV black, leather, motorcycle jacket.
Is there some way I can jump from the first page to the last, here, without having to wade through the previous pages. Yes I have telephone connection.
Can we arrange to have shirts made using an Archinect bulk order? I would definitely buy one of those. Maybe even two...
Or maybe some enterprising individual will take care of it to make a buck off the rest of us...
Please?
gustav - you can jump directly to the end by modifying the URL. for example, if the thread has 450 comments and you only want to read the last 10, change the end of the URL to something like this:
threads.php?id=8091_440_42_0 (8091 is the number of the discussion)
David - i like the idea. nice one punkt.
Well there is always www.threadless.com :) I doubt we'll be able to get enough votes, though. Oh and sorry for reviving this thread... wait no... LIVE THREAD, LIVE! MUHAHAHA.
i don't think the message will have the same impact on threadless.
we can include this shirt with our first run of shirts. they're getting made next week. we can include this one if there's enough interest.
i am not interested until a deal is made with per.
at least a free whole set for his family.
by the way, thanks for the jump formula.
Hi
Sorry I can\t be so active these day\s , Im\m moving my things to a new flat and I guess you know what this mean when you climb your way thru decades of projects ,given up prototypes small remains loads of A4 sheets aincient carpenter tools and tonns of toys clotches and then just the thought to bring it down the stairs from 5\s floor.
Hopefully, as this also mean that I can soon again start making vector drawings with my old A0 CalComb pen plotter , I will be in buisness again within a month or so, but meanwhile I also have to decide if I realy am so genouras about the old programs I used for the boatbuilding projects < I have to consider if anyone even will be able to use the programs ,if there are even interest in old unfolding rutines for objects made with special AutoCAD functions where maby knowing what acturly happen in the program is that much a part of it, ---- well I can ask myself @Per do you realy mean it, do you belive in public domain , ---- do I realy belive that when somone profited from the software I plan to leave for free download, to gain atleast the credit, well time will show I guess there are no way back .
Ofcaurse I will be here , I also hope that you all know that the only thing I ever asked was the credit , but untill I have my things together it can\t be that much writing , ------ please feel free to act in the spirit of true graphics lovers I can say with the words of one of my favorite actors :
Desire is irelevant I am a mashin.
Hi
Sorry if I made this into a personal thing, as you all know my messeage is, that we shuld look closer to what these architecture application realy offer ---- do architecture realy profit from just re-writing the old rutines do architecture propose the new manufactoring methods ,is 20 different steel profiles realy mor efficient and offer a better vision ,than what can be made with just one plain material.
I guess you all realised that my best option have been to show some inspiring graphics, but there are more to it ,my pony is that it is the core process that the artist must also have the feel about the matter ,that to make a real change it is not enough to alter the surface or form that the reson to do that ,must be a deeper need to mirror the fact difference when a structure realy is made in a complete different method ---- and I hope that this tread did put forth the critic that is needed to change things , so a new technike can yield the new jobs the progress and the knowleage about why some technikes after 20 years , can show to be a dead end . Some of you taken this as a harsh critic , but realy you se as harsh a protective attitude from technikes that once had the same promises ---- well CAD is not just doing things fast and splendid ,drawing the first line with a CAD station can be just as hard as the first line with a pen and I guess I alway\s start with a sketch , this I guess have been the difficult thing : to ensure that a CAD guy suffer the exact same troubles but ontop have to develob the technikes , re think what the end result must be and then in a discussion prove that your results ,if they must work within a brand new concept cant\s be how things alway\s was. To put a new vision into somthing like architecture ask great humor ,this is the only way to point to the often strange facts , --- also as architects most often do very different things than just showing off splendid new designs, I hope you se, that this Pony is not a personal thing , I just have to do it ,desire is irelevant I am a mashin.
Per:
Have you seen the "Wet grid" project by NOX?
www.noxarch.com
Hi
Sorry but there are some problems reading the site ; I alway's liked the flash like speed and the graphic aproach of many architecture and design sites ,those where making a site is more than just plain HTML.
Still I also every time I visit one of these sites blame the designer that the print is so small that you get a bit confused when parts of the screen suddenly change and within an even smaller text you must find the links that acturly respond. -------- I don't know if you se my point, but I realy fancy smart pages and the way web tools can be used it look better and the speed is good but to often it is a try and check ,it is often difficult to navigate and if you are looking for somthing particular it can be frustrating to wander thru exotic new gimmicks ( even some of them can be quite exiting ) .
Get my point -------- fact is that people older than 40 simply need glasses and if the text and background plus a flashing picture is what you se when you are looking for a menu, you are left with a sense that it is bad that the designer don't think just a bit about that somone without knowing anything, must find a way find some pictures ,but often the graphics are hidden among links you don't intend to read.
would someone that is a little more web-savy care to post some pictures? where's abracadabra when you need him?
I love this t shirt punkt. And I'm glad this thread as started again. I'm all for the archinect shirts. Actually there should be a serie. Like a new style every quarter or so.
Hi Per,
What do you think of this site (sight):
http://www.bizarro.com/
bump
this is my last time here in this thread..
am I the only one who has never posted to this thread. damn! I did it.
Per:
Pay no attention to these philistines. Small minds never understand great minds. You and I know that beneath the unremarkable appearance of your work lies truly original and visionary genius. Even the self deprecating wit of concealing what you’ve done behind a clever absurdist parody of Jessie Rieser and Bill Massie and SHoP and all those fools pretending to address the issues of computer generated form and mass customization sparkles with the gleam of brilliance.
Young architects in America need to learn what you have to teach. You should come here and join the faculty at Columbia, a school where your ideas will find the most fertile ground to grow to fruition. The person you should speak to is their new dean, who just came there from teaching at Princeton. Of course you can’t contact him directly, you must be introduced, what you need to is to make contact with a successful Princeton alum who can help you make the connection. It seems that your best bet is Micha Conagra he is well connected in the elite architecture circles here in this country and will have the intellect to appreciate your work. You can mostly contact him at his work in Frank Gehry’s office. I’m sure he’s very busy but if you are persistent an insist on meeting him in person to show him your work I’m sure he will realize it’s importance and help you secure a faculty position.
Hi
New Cyber-Boat Lonboat group avaible .
Tsunami-Longboat ;
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tsunami-Longboat/
Per Corell
sad, you should pay double $
sorry, trying to respond to a previous page before realising that this thread goes on and on.
damn, and now I've responded twice and said nothing
Bots, don't feel bad. Look how many times Per has responded and said nothing...
Hi
The pictures shuld say it all
Per, I don't feel the need to kick off about your "work" as I feel that everyone else has tried to make you see sense, and subsequently failed.
What I was wanting to know is in reference to the picture you posted. Just when exactly did you meet Mick Jagger?
Hi
as'per'useal you again hide yourself behind a fake name you say you "again" tried to make sense --- well is''t the first mail you post, it say zero entities and one comment, isn't the fact that all you have to display is the same old group bullying that you can't know both about boat design and architecture at the same time and that your messeage is only about cheating and bullying.
Now didn't this happen before isn't this somthing that stick so deep that alway's you been hounting and harassing the true visionary and praised the dead prophets ? Those who's words you can twist and turn upside down as not they can't batter you can't hount you for your only social skill you master the bullying and dirty writing the top of your preferences.
Who would you be, would you be the priests that tried to make Jesus say one wrong word so you could strangle the truth and make yourself the master of stinking hell, ---- if you was among the few who had the chance to listen to him, would your messeage then be hate and obvious bullying would you even deal with the words would you want the Tsunami victims to get a new life and a hope for future.
Just ansver yes or no, display your inner wish and what values you realy protect, the vision or the hate. --- Did you btw. grow as your master down there promised , by displaying your filth and bullying your whole mental potential ?
Hi
Then one who studied the law come to him and ask --- not to get an ansver but to justify himself, Guess we all know this kind of questions they ask only in the hope that the one who ansver, will ansver in a way that will make him "impossible" in the minds of those who listen, or by twisting the words make the ansver silli ---- and if he do not ansver or ansver somthing they don't expect they will display a head shaking attitude
saying "there you se" .
So keep hounting the living visionary and praise the dead make social skills replace the true vision and if somone ask how to fabricate all those new boats and make the new jobs, offer them barbed wire and dirt bags.
Hi
Read this intire tread in the spirit explained above and it will make the sense those who hide their names ,those who ansver with dirty words and porn pictures are capable to se.
That is their Vision , the fumes of hell the hate and foul words , --- guess their master.
Fuck off Per
Anyone ever heard of spellcheck!?
Perhaps this thread should be extinguished once it reaches its 400th entry...
It could then become stuff legends are made of...an urban myth...
Come on, simples; I want to see if all these 1992-retro looking renderings make it to the late 90's. It's like watching an 'I love the 90's' marathon.
You know Per, with that last line you kinda sound like Count Grishnackh, aka Varg Vikernes...
Listen I am a designer the issue is the method the options you have at hand.
Don't want a cabin a third the cost, well cristian you are not stupid to not realising the facts that design matter. I design building methods 20 years ago I made boats, then what arn't you allowed to be ahead the times, this 3D-Honeycomb that would produce to many life saving boats at the cost of nothing in 3,5 years.
Well seem like others had 25 years, sure --- I know but I also know 20 year old computermeshes and know what they cover, not the care of mankind the care of evil.
Or ain't this just a dinner in hell ?
NOOOO!!!!
i can't believe i've resigned myself to posting in this thread.
Hi
Maby it is the promise of pressing a button and you get the assembly for the cabin at a third the cost four times as strong assembled. The option of a new architecture that allow square rooms in organic shaped buildings.
A new tool whare architects is not to place windows just to count up an account -- unless it's the new jobs the cheap flats the possible beauty oposed trend architecture.
Maby the vision ?
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