Anyway what does a person's sexual orientation have to do with what I think about them, unless it is that I or they are attracted to the other person. Otherwise aren't they as important or insignificant as everyone else?
I am straight (female) but I know alot of people who are gay, lesbian, a few bisexual and even a transvestite. I don't think about those people in terms of thier sexuality any more than I think about anyone else I meet based on sexuality, unless I was attracted to them, and gay males tend to remind me of my brother... and who is attracted to thier brother? My brother is one of my favorite people and so is his partner, but I don't like them any more or less because they are gay. All though they seem to have a much better social network than I do because they are involved in an alliance and, lets face it, my little brother is just that much more outgoing than I am.
My husband wasn't as comfortable about the idea of homosexuality as I was, but he has gotten very comfortable with my brother and his partner. It seems to me that the gay people I know who have less problems being accepted by thier communities are those who don't get defensive about it. Its just something about him, not a choice he feels he has to defend against attack. Its not negotiable after all. This thread was started as a way to curb the derailing in the other thread, but it would be nice if we could have the discussion without the animosity or the feelings of animosity that seem to be going around.
EH,
There is a right way and a wrong way to really evoke conviviality and/or intelligence in a thread....it has much to do with charisma and the way one poses the subject matter just right.,..
sensitivity to the content might also be a good thing to consider...
oh but yes, I luuuuuuuuv gay people ...wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
My Brother showed me my first Swank magazine in 1978. There was a Spread called 'Sprat Man and Throbin'....There were, of course, pictures of Naked good looking men screwing Hot chicks. I was immediately drawn to the women - he didn't coach me or tell me what to look at - it was natural. I haven't stopped appreciating the beauty I saw in every curve and crease of that beautiful female form. What do I think about gays? I think they felt the same way about the Dude...and I have nothing to offer beyond that. I do, however have a daughter as a result of my 'preference' and it is the greatest gift a person can ask for, and she embodies the perpetuation of that joy.
I have alot of gay friends that I love and I would never question their preference, nor would I rub their nose in 'it' to prove a point or to see how much they hate 'it'. Their loss. No Harm done.
I guess I'm not disturbed by anyone's sexual orientation because most of my female friends are bi sexual, I've lived next to two openly gay men for 7 years, two of the 5 of my regular dinner partners are gay...so it seems as natural as divorce does to other people.
Gay, straight, transgender - whatever, as long as you have rights, you vote, pay taxes, I could care less who you boink in the middle of the night/ or on the streets.
There's a gay bar in town that some of my gay friends told me never to enter without a gay chaperone. They said the "tourist" gay bars are fine and I wouldn't be hit on there.
I want to start a "straight" bar where gay people feel uncomfortable. Where I could tell my gay friends they should have a hetro person chaperone them to guard against playboy models harassing them.
Apurimac, "Queer" is a word that, well, queers, have reclaimed from the realm of insults to address a broad range of orientations at once. As someone who self-identifies as, speficically, Queer, I did not see anything remotely insult-attracting about the previous thread - it didn't strike me as odd or calling for any response but "Yes! Me!" until I read the damn thing and got kind of appalled, even knowing perfectly well that threads on Archinect often dissolve into the sandbox.
Why do you have such a problem with the word, or think that its use automatically warrants derision and can't be serious? The Q in LGBTQIA is for Queer.
in asia i always feel that gays in the design field has more privileges than straight... they never being yelled by the boss in the office, client thinks that they are more trendy so can do interior design better, women likes to bring them home etc....
Indifferent; unless provoked into making a comment by someone who insists on parading it to be the one and only outstanding quality in his/her identity.
Sufaces, the word queer dosent offend me, nor does, fag, homo, nigger, spic, wop, dago, kike, dyke, cracker, honkey, wetback, gook, chink, jap or any other word used in reference to a single group of people. There's a time and a place to use these words and thread titles for serious threads are usually not the place. If someone came on the forum saying "Where my niggers at?", or "Any niggers in here?" as a serious forum topic he would be flamed for it or the thread would get hijacked, or both.
When a queer person tells you that the word "Queer" IS in fact a perfectly acceptable word to use in any particular context, you should listen to them.
Queer is the ONLY word that I would have thought to use, had I been the one to initiate the discussion. That was the whole point of what I said. I did not mention anything about whether or not you are offended. I was talking about your (wrong) assumption that "Queer" is inappropriate for a serious, reasonable discussion.
Also, a pretty good rule of thumb is:
If you're using a questionable term as if it's an insult or slur, then it is.
If you aren't, then it isn't. (Descriptor vs. Insult.)
When you actually read the thread and it's clear that the person who started the topic is not queerbashing anyone or making a joke but instead looking to see if they can tap into or build a community of queers within the profession... then it's pretty safe to assume that they were serious. I'm just baffled by why the people here were incapable of seeing this immediately and respecting it, other than that, hey, it's Archinect, and snark is the order of the day.
"the word queer dosent offend me, nor does, fag, homo, nigger, spic, wop, dago, kike, dyke, cracker, honkey, wetback, gook, chink, jap or any other word used in reference to a single group of people. There's a time and a place to use these words"
uh, could you elaborate on the appropriate time and place to use these words (as one who was just lectured on another thread by the enlightened antisthenes that "the language that we use matters").
well, the only context i can think of where most of those words would not be offensive to the person or group of people they are thrown at is in reporting of its use, as in "hey did you hear that guy call the lady a spic(wop, dago, kike etc.)? or an article telling about its use in a situation. or in a context where the word itslelf is being discussed (its origin, etc.). other than that, the use of those words, especially if considered a slur by the particular group of people, are mosty offensive.
i was called insurgent by cameron sinclair. i was not offended. i was called terrorist before 9/11 many times but that word became absolute no-no now. people called me turk and that is sometimes good sometimes not.
on real life and as i grow older, i look more and more either like a muslim or jewish, so nobody fucks with me anymore, but i don't know what they feel inside anymore. that is the worst...
What straight people think about gays
this will be a fun one. Let's go nuts.
i find this quite inappropiate.
but less inappropriate than the derailing of EnemyHands's former thread
Did you see the title on his last thread!? I mean c'mon.
depends on the people
i dunno.
but i do know what i think about people who post ridiculously generalized questions in an attempt to be provocative without providing their opinion.
yeah seriously get a job
Guys, Enemy wasn't trying to be provocative, he was trying to give people a place to do what they were doing on his serious thread.
See to me, this thread titles sounds more serious that his last one.
gays are like women in their menopause...
what makes "gay" masculine?
Anyway what does a person's sexual orientation have to do with what I think about them, unless it is that I or they are attracted to the other person. Otherwise aren't they as important or insignificant as everyone else?
I am a "feminine" male. At least i like the ladies.
I suppose that means i like gays? I have known a few.
why doesn't the title have 'white' in it???
"Let's go Nuts"
Was that pun intended?
and now a reading form the holy gospel according to tommy lee jones,
"a person is smart, people are stupid."
amen.
666
More important what do I think the former gov of ny was doing with her?
[img]http://pixhost.eu/avaxhome/avaxhome/2008-05-13/AndreiaJSchwarttxC00WCapa.jpg[img]
I knew I would blow it....no pun intended..
I hope he was making his country if not his family proud
I am straight (female) but I know alot of people who are gay, lesbian, a few bisexual and even a transvestite. I don't think about those people in terms of thier sexuality any more than I think about anyone else I meet based on sexuality, unless I was attracted to them, and gay males tend to remind me of my brother... and who is attracted to thier brother? My brother is one of my favorite people and so is his partner, but I don't like them any more or less because they are gay. All though they seem to have a much better social network than I do because they are involved in an alliance and, lets face it, my little brother is just that much more outgoing than I am.
My husband wasn't as comfortable about the idea of homosexuality as I was, but he has gotten very comfortable with my brother and his partner. It seems to me that the gay people I know who have less problems being accepted by thier communities are those who don't get defensive about it. Its just something about him, not a choice he feels he has to defend against attack. Its not negotiable after all. This thread was started as a way to curb the derailing in the other thread, but it would be nice if we could have the discussion without the animosity or the feelings of animosity that seem to be going around.
EH,
There is a right way and a wrong way to really evoke conviviality and/or intelligence in a thread....it has much to do with charisma and the way one poses the subject matter just right.,..
sensitivity to the content might also be a good thing to consider...
oh but yes, I luuuuuuuuv gay people ...wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
why would anybody be uncomfortable?
i like to kiss males. cool, right?
My Brother showed me my first Swank magazine in 1978. There was a Spread called 'Sprat Man and Throbin'....There were, of course, pictures of Naked good looking men screwing Hot chicks. I was immediately drawn to the women - he didn't coach me or tell me what to look at - it was natural. I haven't stopped appreciating the beauty I saw in every curve and crease of that beautiful female form. What do I think about gays? I think they felt the same way about the Dude...and I have nothing to offer beyond that. I do, however have a daughter as a result of my 'preference' and it is the greatest gift a person can ask for, and she embodies the perpetuation of that joy.
I have alot of gay friends that I love and I would never question their preference, nor would I rub their nose in 'it' to prove a point or to see how much they hate 'it'. Their loss. No Harm done.
why can't we make fun of gay ppl? we make fun of interior designer, contractor, client here rite? why discriminate gay ppl?
i think if u see them as any other beings, u wouldn't need to be hypersensitive about this issue...
seems like only gay can make fun of gay these days.
so a gay guy, a straight female, and a bi-sexual walk into a bar
and that was the first transvestite
i'll be here all nite.....
The weird reactions on this thread are surprising, I always thought architecture was a pretty queer friendly profession.
I guess I'm not disturbed by anyone's sexual orientation because most of my female friends are bi sexual, I've lived next to two openly gay men for 7 years, two of the 5 of my regular dinner partners are gay...so it seems as natural as divorce does to other people.
Gay, straight, transgender - whatever, as long as you have rights, you vote, pay taxes, I could care less who you boink in the middle of the night/ or on the streets.
There's a gay bar in town that some of my gay friends told me never to enter without a gay chaperone. They said the "tourist" gay bars are fine and I wouldn't be hit on there.
I want to start a "straight" bar where gay people feel uncomfortable. Where I could tell my gay friends they should have a hetro person chaperone them to guard against playboy models harassing them.
Ooh, that'll teach 'em, aquapura.
Seriously, what exactly is the big deal here?
1/2 the men i know have shit dick
and every girl i know is bi
i have a lot of sympathy for gay and lesbian friends since they always get discriminated. i don't think that is going to stop anytime soon either.
this current article is just too funny and perfect for this thread and i couldn't pass it up.
http://www.villagevoice.com/nyclife/0825,straight-men-get-it-in-the-end,471422,15.html
Wow, thats quite the article, Orhan.
that article is more support for the 'there is no gender preference' theory.
some people just don't want kids are are not ok with sexism.
Apurimac, "Queer" is a word that, well, queers, have reclaimed from the realm of insults to address a broad range of orientations at once. As someone who self-identifies as, speficically, Queer, I did not see anything remotely insult-attracting about the previous thread - it didn't strike me as odd or calling for any response but "Yes! Me!" until I read the damn thing and got kind of appalled, even knowing perfectly well that threads on Archinect often dissolve into the sandbox.
Why do you have such a problem with the word, or think that its use automatically warrants derision and can't be serious? The Q in LGBTQIA is for Queer.
in asia i always feel that gays in the design field has more privileges than straight... they never being yelled by the boss in the office, client thinks that they are more trendy so can do interior design better, women likes to bring them home etc....
Indifferent; unless provoked into making a comment by someone who insists on parading it to be the one and only outstanding quality in his/her identity.
e.g. someone who isn't an assimilationist?
Sufaces, the word queer dosent offend me, nor does, fag, homo, nigger, spic, wop, dago, kike, dyke, cracker, honkey, wetback, gook, chink, jap or any other word used in reference to a single group of people. There's a time and a place to use these words and thread titles for serious threads are usually not the place. If someone came on the forum saying "Where my niggers at?", or "Any niggers in here?" as a serious forum topic he would be flamed for it or the thread would get hijacked, or both.
When a queer person tells you that the word "Queer" IS in fact a perfectly acceptable word to use in any particular context, you should listen to them.
Queer is the ONLY word that I would have thought to use, had I been the one to initiate the discussion. That was the whole point of what I said. I did not mention anything about whether or not you are offended. I was talking about your (wrong) assumption that "Queer" is inappropriate for a serious, reasonable discussion.
Also, a pretty good rule of thumb is:
If you're using a questionable term as if it's an insult or slur, then it is.
If you aren't, then it isn't. (Descriptor vs. Insult.)
When you actually read the thread and it's clear that the person who started the topic is not queerbashing anyone or making a joke but instead looking to see if they can tap into or build a community of queers within the profession... then it's pretty safe to assume that they were serious. I'm just baffled by why the people here were incapable of seeing this immediately and respecting it, other than that, hey, it's Archinect, and snark is the order of the day.
Point taken
"the word queer dosent offend me, nor does, fag, homo, nigger, spic, wop, dago, kike, dyke, cracker, honkey, wetback, gook, chink, jap or any other word used in reference to a single group of people. There's a time and a place to use these words"
uh, could you elaborate on the appropriate time and place to use these words (as one who was just lectured on another thread by the enlightened antisthenes that "the language that we use matters").
The context, is just as, if not more, important than the content.
well, the only context i can think of where most of those words would not be offensive to the person or group of people they are thrown at is in reporting of its use, as in "hey did you hear that guy call the lady a spic(wop, dago, kike etc.)? or an article telling about its use in a situation. or in a context where the word itslelf is being discussed (its origin, etc.). other than that, the use of those words, especially if considered a slur by the particular group of people, are mosty offensive.
i was called insurgent by cameron sinclair. i was not offended. i was called terrorist before 9/11 many times but that word became absolute no-no now. people called me turk and that is sometimes good sometimes not.
on real life and as i grow older, i look more and more either like a muslim or jewish, so nobody fucks with me anymore, but i don't know what they feel inside anymore. that is the worst...
I know this is unrelated by I like your last name, Orhan.
Upon first glance it looks like "A juice" and makes me happy like kindergarten.
I apologize if that is offensive.
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