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Is Donna8796 a bot?

Feb 22, 19 9:35 am
randomised

I do hope so.

archiwutm8

Clients such a pain in the arse, "X company can do it cheaper can you match or do lower than them? No, we're good at what we do, we aren't a cowboy company."

Feb 22, 19 11:44 am

Wasn't there a thread about people quitting their jobs outrageously a while back?




...asking for a friend

Feb 23, 19 1:44 pm

That's the one, thanks. My search skills were not up to par today

You have a recent story to add to it?

Ask me in a week or two ...

See the update I posted to the thread linked above...

tintt

What do guys build models out of? For study, not presentation. I have my Legos out!

Feb 23, 19 2:50 pm
tintt

What I need is a big hunk of clay.

archanonymous

paper mostly. foam. plaster, sculpting clay. occasionally fruit.

Clay - are you going parametric on us?

tintt

Solids and voids. Not parametric.

Hey TC it has been way too long... Hope everyone is enjoying their weekend and congrats tduds!

Also while I dislike a system that allows an UHNWI to have this sort of view...man I mean what a bath/view!


Feb 23, 19 3:03 pm

I saw this image on Twitter with a caption that there really are people in the world with too much money.

archanonymous

i dislike that tile.

That would make a great homeless shelter.

Hey Donna, that is where I first saw it as well

citizen

Ha! All that money and the bathtub's lop-sided.

Non Sequitur

I don't like the towel placement. Tear it down and start over.

What did I miss with tduds?

Nevermind I found it. Congrats!

randomised

​It's disgusting. Sitting there in a tepid pool of your own filth. All kinds of microscopic parasites and organisms having sex all around you.

I am a big fan of baths, personally. Always feel guilty about the water use though...

tduds

Hot tubs > bath tubs.

I just emailed this to a client:

We will take these ideas into consideration but we’re talking about significant redesign and change in functionality. Right now, with all of these notes as well as the cost savings changes, the building feels like a design-by-committee that won’t really function well or look good for anyone – it’s gotten very far away from many of the positive lessons learned when we visited the existing facility examples. Note that this is normal: design very often goes through a phase of messiness before it gets back to an improved clarity.

We will spend some time early next week making revisions and I’ll send it back to you by Wednesday.

I feel like it's a fairly mild communication, but in my mind, as someone who always tries to please the client first, this is taking a *very* strong stance and I hope I don't get angry blowback. 



Mar 1, 19 8:54 am
geezertect

If that email is enough to get you angry blowback, you have a turd for a client. Ah, but that's redundant, isn't it?

tduds

"Note that this is normal..." is a masterstroke of conflict mitigation. I may have to squirrel that phrasing away for the future.

citizen

Reminding clients (and others) about process, expectations, and responsibilities in an explicit and timely way is critical. Your message does this diplomatically, Donna. Good writing is important, kids!

tintt

wurdan -- maybe you'll see this and maybe not but dropping a note here to say I emailed you. check your junk mail if you don't see it. thanks!

Mar 1, 19 9:39 am
wurdan freo

Strange... i haven't checked tc in a while but did today... :)

Rusty!

Any Canadians want to sound in on Canadian economy coming to a complete halt? Is it effecting the construction industry? What is the 1 year outlook on upcoming work? 

Mar 1, 19 12:58 pm
OneLostArchitect

Haven’t seen any slow down personally

nabru

2018 recession started last summer.

OneLostArchitect

No slow down here in London area

tintt

I have work lined up for next 2-3 years. Have never felt better. Hope I don't screw it up.

nabru

tintt and OneLostArchitect you're playing yourselves, and cowards, use your own name. You're not anonymous.

Playing yourselves.

randomised

Archinect has anon accounts, if you don't like that that's your problem, talking about playing yourself...

tintt

Such a lovely invite.

Non Sequitur

Plenty of work on the books for us here in the capital, both private commercial and government.

curtkram

sam, i don't think the video you linked strongly supports your position.

Bench

I havent worked there in 3 years now, but all my contacts/mentors seem to have been looking to hire in the 3+ years experience range for at least a year now. Ottawa is particularly crazy because the west bloc project seems to be hiring literally any fresh grad who can open a revit file, meaning the market is reverse-saturated (?) for talent with any level of experience. Many of my friends in Toronto seem to be moving jobs due to firms trying to fill positions by poaching good staff from one another. Seems like a great time to be working there.

nabru

Anyone been to coal drops yard? What do you think about the gillets jeaunes as a design feature? I have a lot of time for Heatherwick compared to other youngish designers.

I'll add as a non-architect building geek that the way the void to chimney breasts have been treated is brilliant.

Mar 2, 19 8:34 pm
Non Sequitur

bump... because I've got a cubic-light year's worth of work to do and I need a distraction.  

Mar 5, 19 9:43 am
Bench

I need a distraction from that damn hockey team.

Non Sequitur

I... that hurts man... low blow.

Bench

Hurts me too, I still follow them.

Non Sequitur

ah least there is far less traffic if ever I'm on the highway near game start or game end times.

I'm a 52 year old professional, I shouldn't still get the giggles in the lunch-n-learn when dessert is offered and the tile rep asks the gay man in the office "What's wrong, don't you like pie?!"

Shoot me, someone. 

Mar 5, 19 12:52 pm
randomised

Seems a very legitimate question.

Bench

You get pie desserts for your lunch and learns? wow. Our suppliers need to up their game.

What kind of pie?

French Silk.

Non Sequitur

OOOOOOh. I like pie.

citizen

It took me 5 minutes to figure out what tickled you, Donna. (I'm slow, but eventually I figure things out.) Good thing lunch wasn't foot-long hot dogs... you might have embarrassed yourself :o]

randomised

I still haven't figured it out.

citizen

PS. Don't ever lose that trait, Donna.  In my teaching life I work around many people (mostly faculty, some administrators) who seem to have no sense of humor about them at all.  Dour. Joyless. At least that's how they seem on the surface, at work. It's both annoying and pitiable. My students have to contend with a prof who has fun, makes lame jokes, and enjoys laughing.

archi_dude

I thought all the hashtag movements outlawed humor in the workplace?

curtkram

isn't there a #humor hashtag?

citizen

Humor requires the capacity for joy and the willingness to not take oneself so seriously.  So, yeah, it sounds like we have a problem.


randomised

But what's the joke, not kidding...

liberty bell

randomised, pie is a slang term for the vulva.

randomised

Okay, that's actually pretty funny.

Non Sequitur

I find it equally funny that rando was unaware of the joke.

randomised

No clue whatsoever...

citizen

I used to drive an old Vulva station wagon. Best car I ever owned.

Non Sequitur

I'm being nice to a headhunter on Linked-in... no reason why, just felt like it.  What happened?  Sure... I guess I could be interested in joining forces with a few residential designers doing suburban boxes, but why?  At least I got the names of other local arch firms out of it so I know who is hiring and who has work to spare but now that I know, why would I even use the headhunter?  You literally told me the office name and the position they need filling.

Wednesday crazy rant over (for now).  I blame my oddly flavoured coffee. Bad choice, but I guess I should have read the sign before saying yes to whatever the coffee stewardess said.  Insert classic Denis Leary rant about maple nut crunch coffee.

Mar 6, 19 9:06 am
Bench

Im pretty sure the way it works is that as soon as the HH tells you the firm/position (with your affirmation that you want to know that information), the office is not allowed to engage with you directly about employment, it has to go through the HH. Also, who the hell uses staffing services in that city? Seems crazy with a good arch school nearby and multiple community colleges, makes no sense in my opinion. You'll have to drop some names for me when we get that guinness.

Ive subscribed to a few daily job posting boards, not because I have any interest in them but because i'm always curious who's hiring (and therefore who's winning work).

Non Sequitur

As you know, there are few(ish) mid size commercial firms here... and a few large A&E (soon to be one less... SNC anyone?) footholds. The latter are typically the ones that use HH services. Can't remember the last one that was a smaller office. As you say, loads of potential people available so it's strange that they just don't put out an add on their sites or through the OAA classified page. Lots of big projects rolling through town so everyone is getting their slice.

Steeplechase

I don’t understand how head hunting is a viable business. The cold messages I always get are clearly form letters and never show the smallest awareness of the type of work I do. I guess some are impressed by the flattery but I can’t imagine such persons being great employees.

tduds

So satisfying when the final product starts to look like the rendering...

Mar 8, 19 12:26 pm

Looks great, tduds!

And yes, even this far into my career I'm still thrilled when I walk into the built version of what I've been imagining all along. It's a great feeling.

Non Sequitur

Those are terrible khakis in the rendering. But, can you say what company provided the skylight?

tduds

Luckily we had the Khakis changed for the final spec.

& DeaMor did the skylights (http://www.deamor.com/) They were mostly excellent to work with. Better than the window sub - who I'll avoid naming for now.

randomised

They only need to cast that beam :)

Non Sequitur

Thanks, always interested in non-Kawneer systems. They seem to limit themselves to PNW so doubtful they will be available in my area... but still worth a look.

tduds

I don't know if quondam ever checks this thread but we got in a silly pissing match a few months ago & he challenged me to show built work. Better late than never, I suppose.

tduds 10
quandam

disqualified

Actual is much better than the rendering. Nice work.

tduds

Thanks thanks!

Rusty!

Those decorative railings sure ended up looking very different than what was rendered.

tduds

Better, imo. Railings in Revit are a *pain*

jla-x

Nice work tduds!

Non Sequitur

dumb question... but horizontal railings are allowed in your area Tduds? I can't even whisper such a design for fear of countless people climbing (and presumably leaping) to their deaths due to the very obvious public climbing danger. Can't even do horizontals on a 2' high landing.

Formerlyunknown

The ban on horizontal railings was in IBC for a few years, circa early 2000s, and then it quietly disappeared. A few places have kept that as a state or city amendment - in some cases just for education, childcare, or healthcare uses, or sometimes they limit the horizontal spacing to smaller than a toe can supposedly fit - but everywhere else we're all free to climb the railings again!

Non Sequitur

Damn it, deterring climbing at guards (anything above 60cm requires a guard) is a Canada-wide building code req for all part 3 buildings... and very mild allowances under part 9.

tduds

Yeah that came up. It's allowed, but occasionally discouraged, but we preferred it in this case. The drop isn't far enough to do any real damage - intentional or otherwise.

shellarchitect

glassdoor sent an email that i'm underpaid by 10k or so, but they didn't have my current pay correct, so I fixed it, but then they updated the amount that I should be making, so the end result was no change in "underpaidness"

so I guess I don't know if my underpaid or not, AIA says i'm about right


Mar 8, 19 1:01 pm
axonapoplectic

How do you check this?

liberty bell

I am busier right now than I have ever been in my professional life and I am totally exhausted, in part because I’m still filled with overwhelming dread that we’re headed into another recession and it’s all going to crash down any minute. My cortisol levels are off the chart!

Mar 12, 19 6:28 am
geezertect

Seeing a lot of buildings being built on poor pieces of ground, which is usually a good sign of a bubble. Lots of cheap money for too many years is going to result in foreclosures when the market normalizes. But, I've been saying it for a long time and it hasn't happened yet. Bubbles usually keep going longer than you would expect. Stay tuned, kids.

Non Sequitur

is cortisol slang for rye? (or bourbon I guess...)

tintt

Bourbon melts cortisol.

Rusty!

Architects should know better because we know of a predictor that has 100% batting average. Architectural Billing Index (AIA) gives you heads up in what will be happening 9 to 12 months from now. Right now all indicators are over 50 and have been that way for a long time. Once they drop into 40's and stay there for few months, you will have trouble in under a year. But liberty bell, I feel ya. Still emotionally scared from the last one.

tintt

I woke up stressed from a dream where I had 8 recruiters in my office all at once begging me to come work for them. I just said, nah, over and over. Nah. No, bro. Nnnt. It was just a dream but yeah it feels like it could crash soon.

Mar 12, 19 7:49 am
Non Sequitur

Had an email exchange last week with a recruiter who was hunting for a few different firms. One of them was a residential designer/builder (ie. not an architect) looking for an arch (or specifically, looking for an arch's stamp) to jump into commercial work. Odd, as that's not permitted, so I'm scratching my head wondering who this wanker is and what low hanging fruit work they are chasing. I'm currently in the early phase of a multi-year-long office building project (2 high-rise) so if those get going, I may not "see" much crash personally. +

tintt

Not permitted but incredibly common. 

I just kicked off a multi-year project yesterday too. Probably what prompted the crazy dream. 

tintt

And the Chrysler building sold for 150 million which is the cost of a double wide trailer on a few acres of land where I live. The end is near.

Mar 12, 19 8:50 am
archanonymous

It definitely feels impending at this point. Just far too bubbly in general.

Mar 12, 19 9:10 am
Non Sequitur

I just ran my first Dynamo function. I needed to purge 8-million imported line types out of our template file.  Woot me, thanks internet for laying out the bread crumbs.

Mar 13, 19 12:09 pm
Non Sequitur

Reasonably important. Thanks for stopping by.

SneakyPete

AlinaF, I think you're great. Please like me.

b3tadine[sutures]

Tips, Non?

archanonymous

Nice! I don't think it is too hard to use in actual project work if you are resourceful and can follow directions. Still, that's only like 10% of the workforce in this field...

Non Sequitur

Tips? Well, I read many of the revit forums and pieced enough info from a few threads to string together a basic dynamo filter function (is that the correct term?) then found another thread with a more advanced description for deletion. Connecting little nodes with squiggly lines is fun and I'll keep an open mind if the new junior kiddies talk about it.

archanonymous

Not really. Autodesk and Dynamo websites seem to be the best, whereas GH/ Rhino is more decentralized. Despite having a bunch of scripting and dig fab experience I find myself doing that less and sketching and directing more. It's not better, just different. I never learned Dynamo that well but managed to throw together a script recently to import huge amounts of topo from a mess of 2D and 3D cad files. Through rhino/GH to excel then Dynamo. Learning to love Dynamo for scheduling also.

I'm in a bad place mentally today. The cheating thing, combined with how fucking hard I've been working without a break lately, and the greater realization that so many people don't work hard at all, has me down.

Thankfully I had lunch with a group of women architects that has been informally meeting as a Women In Architecture group and it was delightful. SO many fun and smart women in our field!

Mar 13, 19 2:25 pm
archanonymous

I find that all the arch offices I've worked at and menial and glamorous side gigs in between have this in common: 20-30% of the people do 90% of the work.

tintt

saw this in a meme earlier this week: "How many people work at your company?" Response is "Hmm, about half of them."

Non Sequitur

I'll be making a push for associate promotion soon and I've been asked to list out my demands/expectations in advance of a meeting with the equity partners. Uncharted territory for me. Fun times ahead certainly.



Mar 14, 19 11:17 am
citizen

Good luck...

Non Sequitur

Thanks. I don't get anxious about work but this feels like a different sport. Will see how this plays out and put in some thought into my response.

Rusty!

What does associate title mean at your place? Over here it means 'other places called you that so we will as well I guess'.

Non Sequitur

It's an official management role, top base salary (whatever that is, I don't know) + unknown %. It also comes with increase responsibilities with clients but also staff and office profitability management.

Almosthip7

Good luck, at the firm I was at before my current one they lost 2 top people because they couldn't agree on associate terms. One of them is now a top dog at Dialog

Non Sequitur

^which dialog office? I may know or have worked with them. Maybe best not to answer that one affterall. 

My current office has lost quite a few senior staff under similar circumstances but from what I understand, it was more due to them reaching their skill set's ceiling and demanding more without actually offering more. Just because you've been here 16y does not make you an ideal candidate if you still can't organize a drawing set or manage deadlines..

Almosthip7

Ill narrow down it to a Western Canada Dialog office ;)

Non Sequitur

Our office has close ties with both their Calgary and Toronto offices.

Bench

Congrats! Very interesting prospect to figure out. We have nothing like that, base promotions to those types of management levels are somewhat preset, at least at the lower level. Further up I'd assume there might be something similar int erms of negotiation.

Non Sequitur

^Thanks, but t'is only words at this time. Just got to be careful not to trample on some unknown office politics.

Best way to advance is Ray Donovan style - have dirt on all the higher-ups. With a bit of research you could be a full partner overnight.

citizen

Oooh, landmines of ego and infighting! Even more interesting and challenging.

Associate and Sr. Associate titles in my firm are basically handed out for being minimally competent and not quitting to get better money elsewhere. If you’ve been here for more than 3-5 years and you haven’t been promoted to associate yet, it’s probably because they don’t like you or you don’t offer any real value to the projects you work on. I like the way your associate title works better tbh.

wurdan freo

In addition to a bowl of blue m &ms on your desk every morning I would send this list of demands... thank you marie claire

jla-x

trying to work from home with two sick kids...answer call from contractor...kids whining in background about wanting more ice pops...Contractor: ”are those parakeets in the background?”   Me:  “yeah I’m in a tropical paradise right now”....Contractor “oh cool when you getting back in town to go over...”. Smfh



Mar 14, 19 3:15 pm

Me right now: Filling out paperwork for a state permit application and listening to classical piano versions of 80s pop songs to help me concentrate. How freaking old am I?!?! LOLing. Life is so odd.

Mar 15, 19 12:43 pm
curtkram

me:  coloring site plans in photoshop.  it's been a while.  nice to get a break.

Mar 15, 19 1:54 pm
OneLostArchitect

Lucky... I do it all the time and my brain is turning to mush

tintt

I was just coloring a site plan too. CRAZY

Mar 15, 19 2:37 pm
liberty bell

I’m listening to straight up spa music right now. Imagining myself floating in an isolation tank after having a massage instead of filling out a COMcheck form like I really am....

Mar 15, 19 3:13 pm
Non Sequitur

I'm colouring some elevations with some pantone markers. 

Mar 15, 19 3:27 pm
archiwutm8

Try coffee staining instead

Non Sequitur

That happens by default.

SneakyPete

I just got a reminder of how selfish many people in this profession are. 

Mar 15, 19 4:15 pm
liberty bell

Aww, Sneaky, that sucks. Hope it wasn’t too disheartening.

and that's a surprise?

SneakyPete

Interestingly it has a lot i
f the

SneakyPete

Sorry. Phone reply. It has a lot of similarities to EAs story below. Young designer who is miserable because higher ups don't have the time or interest to invest in his continued growth. We all admit that school doesn't prepare you for work but then so few firms invest in the new employees. I remember it being tough, but it seems that the industry's trend towards faster and cheaper (profit, baybeeeee) is really going to come back to haunt us when the younger folk all either quit the profession or jump around so much their skills and experiences fail to form a cohesive set of knowledge that really makes them a great member of the team.

joseffischer

I'm now in these BIM/practice meetings, approximately 10 people including 2 owners and a bunch of boomers. I'm beginning to feel like I was included as a token. Every time I bring up training or mentoring I get blank stares. They'll say things like "I had the SMACNA manual at my desk for 20 years... they just need to figure it out." I respond with "where's the most recent SMACNA manual in the office, oh we don't have a digital or hard copy? Well, did you know that if you look at the SMACNA sheets online for that detail and compare it to your personal copy that you brought from home, they've changed the gage from 18 to 22 gage? Do you think it's still going to prevent oil canning with breaks every 8-inches or should we do breaks at 5-6 inches now?" A slim few of them are beginning to open their eyes on the vast obfuscation of knowledge and watering down of details within the "sacred manuals" much less the typical millennial "I'll google it" option. Mentoring is more important than ever.

axonapoplectic

I’m currently trying to avoid doing dishes. I’d rather be going through shop drawings.

Mar 15, 19 11:02 pm

I’ve been spending some time helping out a young designer trying to get more into a technical role at my office. She has a strong desire to learn but lacks the experience and knowledge needed to really take it on without mentorship. I’ve been working to mentor her but the firm leadership seems unwilling to fully support her in this. 


The strange thing, they fully supported me when I did a similar thing when I started at this firm, and we have more of a need for it now than we did back then. I’m trying to figure out if this is a personal thing with the leadership  against the employee, a lack of confidence in her ability to become competent in this area of practice, or if this is a sexist thing because she’s a woman. Maybe it’s just easier to take on a new role by getting hired for that role specifically rather than moving to that new role within a firm. To be fair, the leaders I’m dealing with now are different leaders than I was dealing with when I started, but we have a well-established precedent for training and mentoring emerging professionals into this type of role and the leadership knows it.


Her most direct supervisor tried to ‘warn’ me at the beginning of all this that she tends to jump from one thing to another without fully following through, but I don’t agree with him on that at all. If anything I’d say it was because she doesn’t feel fulfilled or fully engaged with the work he has her doing and is looking for something else that she enjoys more (like what I have her doing). I’m starting to wonder if that ‘warning’ was really his thinly-veiled sexism. The guy is a tool anyway so it wouldn’t surprise me. 

Mar 16, 19 10:08 am

Isn't it a tendency of younger employees to want to try new things and figure out where their interest s lie so they don't get stuck doing something they hate for a 40-year-long career? Everyday Architect, are the firm leaders who oppose this mentorship all Boomer age? I would think they would want a young person to *have* a mentor so that as she explores various avenues she's also staying aware of the big picture.

axonapoplectic

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axonapoplectic

bad managers don't self reflect. It sounds like her former direct supervisor is a bad manager.

Pretty much all the leadership with any real say in anything are boomer age. Sure there are a few Gen X-ers thrown in for age diversity, but everything is really run by the boomers. I don’t really know if it is generational though. If anything it may come down to a different view of mentorship. They seem to think mentorship is taking someone out to grab coffee and talking about career goals for 30 minutes then going back to work, without ever having to do anything to help someone advance the career goals you just spent 30 minutes talking about. Is the unwillingness to do anything to effect change a generational thing?

tintt

Sounds like good old fashioned sexism to me. Lots of men especially older ones think women are there to make sandwiches for the men.

Everyday, I do think you nailed it with the generational differences on what mentorship means. Those 30 minute coffees can help someone check a box but it's not really effective in the working world and society we are in right now.

archanonymous

Sounds like there is a lot of ambient sexism at this firm. I do think these people owe her honest straightforward feedback... Maybe it has been given and acted on.

evanchismark

This is for an assignment in school. One of the assignments is to interview someone in the field you are going into. These are questions in the book.


1. The nature of the work. What are the duties and responsibilities on a day-to-day basis?

2. Working conditions. Is the working environment pleasant or unpleasant, low-key or high-pressure?

3. Job entry requirements. What kind of education and training are required to break into this occupational area?

4. Potential earnings. What are the entry-level salaries, and how much can you hope to earn if you are successful in this field?

5. Opportunities for advancement. How do you move up in this field? Are there adequate opportunities for promotion and advancement?

6. Intrinsic job satisfactions. What can you gain in the way of personal satisfaction from this job?

7. Future outlook. How is the supply and demand projected to shape up in the future for this occupational area?

Mar 17, 19 11:31 pm
Non Sequitur

How about you pick-up the phone and call around? Posting questions and expecting free answers in an online forum is fucking lazy.


Non Sequitur

So I've gotten another PM from an Indian architect looking for US immigration information.  When did I pretend to know a thing about this that would lead someone to ask me?  

Mar 18, 19 8:40 am
randomised

So, do you know? Asking for a friend.

Non Sequitur

Maybe I do, maybe I don't. A crisp hundred-yankee-dolla bill should clear up this mess.

randomised

Ok, no problem:


SneakyPete

Someone spent time creating those bad images. SMDH.

Non Sequitur

^Everyone needs a hobby.

SneakyPete

Trolling isn't a hobby.

randomised

It's not a hobby, it's a presidency

Non Sequitur

#allhobbiesmatter

SneakyPete

Poorly Photoshopping fake money is a presidency. O...K...?

curtkram

i think he was suggesting the president is a troll?

SneakyPete

Ah. I think I follow. Thanks for the clarification.

jla-x

The bill may happen...The dems have little chance of winning now...Fake DNC propaganda machine aka “news” exposed and all...it will take years for them the get credibility post Mueller
report.

SneakyPete

Glad to see you're carrying water for trump out in the open, now.

jla-x

You are dumb

SneakyPete

You are utterly adorable.

jla-x

Thanks.

jla-x

Can you explain how being critical of the dnc and media is by proxy “carrying water for trump?” You are carrying water for the false dichotomy of American politics. Deep state vs Deep corp...both bad. Critique of one is not endorsing the other...

SneakyPete

Deep state is a myth created by Trump acolytes and perpetuated by tiny brains.

sanamhd

Hello everyone, 


I have an online Msc entrance exam for a university in central Europe, the duration of the exam is 30 minutes... 


Anyone been through similar exams? 

Mar 18, 19 5:58 pm
randomised

I'd hurry up then, don't waste your time on here, tick tick tick tick!

randomised

Damn you autocorrect

I recently gave notice to my employer after accepting an offer at another firm. Since then, two firms reached out to try and poach me away from the offer I accepted, and a head hunter contacted me on behalf of a third and fourth firm. Today, a second head hunter reached out to me for a fifth firm (which was really the second firm). 

Being young and having been in school when the previous bubble burst, I'm curious ... are we at peak bubble when I have to beat potential employers off with a stick?

Mar 22, 19 1:27 am
Non Sequitur

Sounds like a good problem to have. Congrats on the new gig.

Thanks NS. I’m happy to have this problem because it means I can help out friends and colleagues looking for a change as well. The young woman I have been working with for example is planning on reaching out to some of these firms to see if they will be a better fit than going back to working for the sexist a-hole.

archanonymous

I graduated during the last recession too... same situation, except I moved about a year ago and don't want to move again - I'd rather see a project through and nail down some solid experience. But the headhunters are thick, and offering serious money. Talking to older people around the office it seems like historically a sign of an overly exuberant market. That said, not sure if we are in a bubble or not. There was (and is) a ton of pent up housing demand. Even if the bottom falls out of stocks, I'm not sure housing or institutional construction would slow down. Government spending on infrastructure and civic buildings couldn't possibly be lower either. People with 5 - 10 years experience are sort of the same - ton of pent up demand at firms, no one to fill the rolls b/c all the smart ones got out of this profession when things were shit in 08 through 10.

Non Sequitur

Very interesting, same situation here, almost a little more restraint given my smaller market. I'm at the 10y mark and sitting down with the equity holders later to discuss promotion.

Rusty!

There is still a weird age gap that the recession from decade ago left behind. Lots of opportunities out there for younger staff to get into situations where you can punch above your weight class. Not everyone is up to the challenge, and for some situations, you just can't fake experience. Typical project going out is an exercise in inefficiency.

archanonymous

More than a few times in the past couple years, I've felt I was moving too fast or skipping over key experience. (I think it was you Rusty) Saw someone lamenting the lack of older and longer-duration Project Architects recently. Feels like I'm in danger of skipping over that and ending up some sort of director or manager which is not what I want at all - all the fun happens when you are actually designing and documenting buildings, not watching some other person do it.

Rusty!

To be fair, an experienced architect in leadership role will have a decent toolbox of knowledge to play with, but it will be far from complete or comprehensive. You play to your strengths and hopefully work with people who have complementary knowledge. You can always revisit any steps that you feel you skipped over.

axonapoplectic

I feel like my office is trying to push me toward “senior project architect”. I am currently heading up CA on a very large and complicated project and I’ve been encountering issues that are way beyond my experience level and I seem to be doing ok. Client is happy so far. The gray-hairs keep telling me I’m doing great - but most of the time I feel like I’m barely keeping my head above water. I work in a large firm and there are only two other people my age doing similar work. The rest of my peers are either doing production work or are on the “design-only” track.

I feel like I’ve been punching above my weight class for most of my short career so far. I sometimes found myself thinking, “does the person asking me for help realize they’ve been doing architecture longer than I’ve been able tie my own shoes?” These are technology related questions either like how to work Revit. These are deep technical questions I figured every architect should know. It was like my own father was coming to me for serious parenting advice. This isn’t to say that these people were incompetent. My point is more that I realized early on how easily one can fake it in this profession. I didn’t want to be that type of architect so I’ve made it my duty to know what I don’t know and not be the type of architect that just fakes it. I’ve never let myself be content with not understanding something I should understand. I think that has made a huge difference in the outcome of my career path so far.

Bench

" Being young and having been in school when the previous bubble burst, I'm curious ... are we at peak bubble when I have to beat potential employers off with a stick? "

I am very much in the same boat as you in terms of graduating during the recession and entering a workforce where it constantly felt like a kind of messaging to 'be thankful you have any job' ... which leads me to the question, are the poaching-recruiters actually trying to lure you away with more money? Still seems like that is the kicker with plenty of firms these days - they would definitely like to hire you, just not with additional cash.

archanonymous

Finally starting to see $$$ behind the offers. But agree in sentiment. As recently as 6 months ago firms were trying to entice me with "great opportunities" and "benefits" and "growth" but precious little hard cash. A few recent offers have come with 5-10k bumps. To go through the trouble of moving, though, its got to be a lot more than that.

My offer was just over a $30k bump in pay. I never let it get to a point where we were talking money with the firms trying to poach me, so not sure if there is still money on the table. I'm skeptical that they'd be able to offer me much more than 30k. One thing I do know, there's no way I would be able to get a 30k raise by staying and asking for it. Maybe in 5 years they would be able to get me there, but then I'd miss out on 5 years of higher income, larger retirement contributions, compounded interest on those accounts, etc.

tintt

That's great! Hope it goes well, EA.

Bench

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Mar 26, 19 2:42 pm
chigurh

looking for cool cmu block projects/architects that work in the material...any recommendations?  small scale, simple, brutal, regional...less interested in the parametric every block is rotated another 2 degree thing or variations in spacing.  

Mar 26, 19 2:44 pm
archanonymous

Louis Kahn - Unitarian Church he did.

chigurh

thats cool - brick not block tho

archanonymous

No, that's block

Clark and Menefee. Look at the Middleton Inn, but really any of their work.

archanonymous

First Unitarian Church

Mar 26, 19 4:20 pm
citizen

Stunning.

chigurh

thats cool...I only saw the exterior images

citizen

That's worthy of an architectural erection.

Older but still excellent:Temple Kol Ami by Will Bruder. He gave a lecture and explained that to get the randomness of the blocks he had to set up rules: the masons tended to regularize, even when they were supposed to be off-setting the blocks the offsetting would become predictable over time. So they strung a horizontal plumb line to mark a plane, and instructed the masons with the following rules: lift the block, butter it, place it - and if it lands with the leading face *anywhere* within 3/4" of either side of the string, it stays as placed. 

Mar 26, 19 5:45 pm
chigurh

that's cool - I was looking at some wendell burnette work also.

jla-x

Got to visit his studio...pretty dope

Also, super strong FLW influence here but I love this other early work by Bruder - Cox Residence, using broken CMUs.

Mar 26, 19 5:50 pm

I love the texture of those walls. Can't help but think about the pain it would be to dust them though.

randomised

I guess Will Bruder didn't like his clients very much, the Cock's Residence:


Also, this is dorky but I just noticed it and kinda love it: very near the Speedway someone painted a checkered flag on a screen wall/fence made of breeze blocks and the complexities/interference between the two patterns

is somehow very cool to me.

Mar 26, 19 6:03 pm
axonapoplectic

exurbs are back. yield curve flipped. Gas prices poised to go up. Kinds of projects were are getting are very reminiscent of 2007 (more long-range stuff).  I think we’re heading toward recession. Big question is where are the cracks in the economy. Only market that seems to be in real trouble territory are auto loans. People who bought a giant SUV and moved out to the boonies are going to get screwed.

Mar 29, 19 9:07 am
Bench

"People who bought a giant SUV and moved out to the boonies are going to get screwed."

Probably same/similar demographic to those most screwed by the last recession, no? Big cars (on sub-prime loan) likely correlate with big houses (on sub-prime loan). Luckily our office appears to have enough worked locked in that we should be able to ride out a dip if it appears.

And I always have that parachute to move back to the homeland if need be...

Non Sequitur

Can't imagine how those who leased a $40k & more SUV at 3-4% on 5+ year deals will feel...

Bench

Quite happy with my $2.50 subway rides ...

Non Sequitur

Lucky.... it's like 3.40 here. wait, with the exchange (insert calculating noises) that's the same thing. My subway (LRT) is coming tho...

I'm at work on a Saturday again. Tired.

Mar 30, 19 1:42 pm
Non Sequitur

hopefully you're also mid-way through a bottle of wine.

citizen

Hang in there, Donna...

Non Sequitur

I'm trying to organize an outing to a petting zoo tomorrow for some toddlers. You can come if you want.

tintt

I hope you are getting paid extremely well, enough to offset the booze and massage you will need afterwards at least.

citizen

I'm working today, too, Donna, so don't feel alone. The wine was finished a while ago... now I'm down to shots of mouthwash =o\


curtkram

shit man, if I was close I'd stop by with at least a bottle of whiskey for you.

Non Sequitur

TC on page 3?

that's unacceptable.



Apr 5, 19 9:25 am
tintt

Spring bidding season. Everyone's churning out work.

Exactly. No time.

Non Sequitur

Permit submission made... eugh, busy here too. Looking at a quiet afternoon now.

tduds

Our entire office seemed to accidentally get on "end of March" deadlines not realizing half of us and our consultants were gone for spring break. This week is slightly calmer.

Non Sequitur

and boom, one more permit submission (although much smaller than the first) done.

Is it true that Rick was banned from TC?

Apr 5, 19 1:57 pm
citizen

I think that's right. Hence his attempt to start his own catch-all thread. Don't know if anything's changed since then.

Non Sequitur

Ricky lost TC posting privileges... apparently that's a power of the big green head.

citizen

So, there's a limit on TC posts exceeding ten thousand words each?  Good to know.

So TC is now a safe place, at least until the libertarians start posting here.

jla-x

You sure charge a lot per hour for a socialist. Didn’t you frequently propose 350$ and hour for advice on threads?

tduds

Socialists gotta eat.

archanonymous

I've lost count of how many weekends in a row I've worked... its really wearing on me.


In (kinda) good news though, the recruiters have started offering more $$$ so maybe we'll finally see some wage growth. I don't know about my current firm though, seems like they are just turning + burning project architects. Most stick around 2-4 years (1-2 projects) before moving on, which is pretty worrying for me.


Apr 7, 19 1:20 pm
geezertect

If they are getting away with it, don't expect anything to change.

Non Sequitur

I think I work at most 2 weekends per year...and typically, only the Saturday morning. Nothing is so important that it can't wait t'il Monday.

axonapoplectic

I sent out an email at 10pm one evening and the client called my boss concerned that the project didn’t have enough staff.

axonapoplectic

It was interesting with that client - they’d be on our case if we sent anything out on weekends or after 7pm. It look to them that our time management and organization skills were suspect.

thatsthat

axon, I have a client that is similar. If we send - what is in there opinion - too many people on site, they get concerned that we are "wasting resources." (Their words.) The point for us to send a lot of people (which is generally 5 max) is to gather a lot of information quickly with different teams doing different tasks.

JLC-1

what's the point of sending out an email at 10 pm? or submitting drawings on a weekend? it really is either a horrible time management approach or you honestly think people live in their offices. Only times I've worked weekends or nights were for competitions, agreed with management to be outside normal work hours.

randomised

I frequently send out stuff around 2, 3 o'clock in the morning on a Sunday :|

wurdan freo

I've been introducing myself as a recovering architect lately... no one gets the joke... (sigh) oh well... 

Apr 10, 19 5:36 pm
citizen

We all get it here, of course.

randomised

...just fell off the drawing board.

Non Sequitur

I dug our a roll of canary-yellow trace last night. Had a craving, could not help myself.

citizen

mmmmmm... love that yellow. Anything sketched on it is just... better somehow.

JLC-1

could I use this card in the US without being harassed by the AIA/NCARB polizei? https://archinect.com/news/article/150131325/dash-marshall-s-global-architect-card-is-an-essential-item-for-the-world-traveling-architect

Apr 10, 19 5:40 pm
SneakyPete

As long as you're not using it to provide services, then I wouldn't worry about it.

axonapoplectic

I’ve decided my drag name should be “bitch-Uthene 3000”.

Apr 12, 19 12:45 pm
citizen

Three snaps in a state of (wr) grace, Uthene!

JLC-1

sticky

liberty bell

I am seriously feeling like I am at a breaking point this week. Last week was one of the worst weeks of my professional life (and heaven knows we’ve all had shitty weeks in this profession). This week I’m facing fallout from everything bad that happened last week, plus I have a meeting today with people who I’m going to have to restrain myself from strangling if they start their doublespeak self-serving vampire consultant talk that I’ve been hearing from them for the last six months.


 This is one of the big problems with architecture: when it’s really busy we are all excited to be working but so overwhelmed that it’s hard to work *well*. I feel like I’m failing all of my clients, but I also know that in this market it’s impossible to build something for $150 a square foot! So they get mad at me when I tell them the truth, then accuse me of not telling them the truth when I’ve been saying it all along. This profession is so hard sometimes.

Apr 15, 19 6:51 am

So sorry to hear that. Shitty behavior is not confined to Paradise, it is endemic to society. This is especially difficult for ethical people who care about what they do. Fire the clients if you have to, the damage to you isn't worth it. Good luck and let us know how it turns out.

Non Sequitur

I think your first problem was working with vampires. Hopefully they turn not to be the weak teenage angst and sprinkles-filled type. Those are boring. Now, this kind would make far more interesting meetings as long as he does not bring along his friend Tom:

Brad Pitt in Interview with the Vampire: The Vampire Chronicles (1994)

archi_dude

This is a respond to Liberty bell but kind of a new topic as well. Liberty, the key thing you said was that you are frustrated because you want to do your job “well” which means you actually care, which is rare. Just keep fighting the good fight and it will be noticed. Was feeling the same tho last week and almost had a breakdown, what I found interesting was that since I care and do a good job I found myself taken off of a job I had set up well and was in a position to just cruise for a bit and put on a job that another employee was just sliding on and it was all messed up. He was put on mine and gets to keep cruising but on my labor. I’m buried again finding mistakes everywhere to the point I cancelled my day off today. Seen this happen with lots of the B rated employees, they slide so they get less/easier work, since I’m a producer I get more, is the answer actually to be a shitty employee? 

Apr 15, 19 9:45 am

Ugh, archi-dude, that reminds me so much of what one of my best professors and mentors told me: Don't get good at what you don't like doing because inevitably you'll end up doing more of it. I have lots more to say on this topic but pressed for time....

geezertect

Yup, been there. You just end up being Executive Vice President of Cleaning up Other People's Shit. It can, I suppose, make you a little more indispensable but it's a shitty way to run an office.

SneakyPete

A colleague once related a story to me about his first job. A senior staffer pulled him aside and told him that "If you don't want to spend your career being a CAD operator, you need to really FUCK IT UP. I don't mean do a bad job or make a mistake; you really need to FUCK SHIT UP."

Non Sequitur

EXPLODE ALL THE HATCHES!

atelier nobody

It took me over 20 years to finally find a firm that doesn't run like that. My favorite was always when they only gave me about a week to try unfucking the project before it went out to bid, then I got to do the CA on the only-partially-unfucked project. Good times.

geezertect

And we wonder why this profession is weak and undercompensated.

This was one of the underlying reasons for my blog post, "Want to be an Architect?; Don't Learn Revit" ... https://archinect.com/arch-ellipsis/want-to-be-an-architect-don-t-learn-revit ... though I didn't really focus on it. At the time, I could quickly see myself as getting really good at Revit and constantly being the one to clean up other's mistakes. Now I never use Revit, and I'm really good at other things ... but I still need to clean up others' mistakes there. So yeah, don't be good at anything is the lesson to learn from this.

tintt

I figured out how to suck at stuff when I had to answer the phone. Drop a few important calls and you don't have to do it anymore.

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