"extremely" important? ... how about "just an interesting bi-annual competition" with young people that bring new ideas that usually don't get ever built?
and how many of those fresh, young ideas are "extremely" important anyway?
Europan is cool -though I heard it's not cheap, especially -oops- for young people- but is far from being anything "extreme".. important or not important.. it's "just" a competition
from my personal knowledge of past NL winners they have ALL done very nicely from the publicity of their wins and it put their names forward to major housing clients and corporations. now if you ask me - thats makes it pretty damn worthwhile.
not extremely important? here's an office that disagrees: MVRDV (the office was founded in 1991 because they won the Europan)
maybe if you would stop spending your time on downplaying other peoples success, and start putting your time into work, you might be able to become more than a 'cad-monkey' (as you so tellingly call yourself)
ok, so MVRDV has make it in the starchitecture world in part because of their Europan experience (and only in part)... now that is 1 of how many?...
- Europan is important? Yes.
- Is it "extremely important" for MVRDV? Maybe (are you telling me that they wouldn't have founded MVRDV if they didn't won Europan? do you have some crystal ball or what?)
- Is it "extremely important" for all the other arch offices? No so much... it looks cool in your CV but that's all.. having participated in an Europan is no guarantee that you have any profitable ideas at all.. it's all just marketing, don't extrapolate the MVRDV experience -or any other particular case- to the rest of the participants, I know some people who spent lots of money and won (and others who had much more interesting projects and didn't won anything) and they ended building nothing..
and .. mr. "pseudoniem-who-joined-Archinect-for-just-one-comment", at least I'm sincere and don't need to create a new nick to say what I want to say
p2an: so that would make it "extremely important" for a real estate forum or a bussiness forum, no? not in Archinect... frankly, I know it's a relevant competition but more for, as you say, the publicity than for the architectural relevance of the work people produces there.
my perception is that this is more like the Grammies or the Oscars... I mean, like Jethro Tull as the best hard rock band or U2 the best alternative combo...
oh, and don't take me wrong, all I say is based on what I've seen from Catalan and Spanish young arch offices... so maybe it's different in the Netherlands or other places in Europe... what do I know, anyway?
We've done it twice, and both time we were finalist but didn't win anything, which is probably the lamest conclusion in an open idea competition.
But Medit, I still think it's a pretty important competition, at least for youngster to practice architecture. The problem is the Europan organization I think: they are well organized in terms of putting up the competition, the necessary documents to do it, maybe not so much the program but that's also the responsability of the city... But after that, once they are willing to get something built, they just don't know what they are talking about...
medit, i would just like to say i did not create "pseudoniem" to leave that comment. it seems like you might have thought i did.
anyway, i am surprised at the reactions to this news story, and all because i said "extremely important". well, i do think that, but perhaps with the clarification that it is "extremely important within the netherlands IMO".
p2an,
no problem.. I don't care at all who "pseudoniem" is... I didn't think if it was you or anyone else..
and, well .. just to clarify: as I said in my 2nd message, "forget it"..., my impression -and thus my reaction to this piece of news- of what Europan is and what's its *real* use is conditioned to the personal experience of someone I knew and some things I've read here and there -which all were related to the iberian firms that have participated or foreign winning firms that designed something for iberian sites-...
so maybe its importance is more substantial in the Netherlands or other places... to the point of being "extremely important"... obviously you know that better than me.
anyway... congrats to all those firms that have made it in the Dutch sites!
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"extremely" important? ... how about "just an interesting bi-annual competition" with young people that bring new ideas that usually don't get ever built?
and how many of those fresh, young ideas are "extremely" important anyway?
Europan is cool -though I heard it's not cheap, especially -oops- for young people- but is far from being anything "extreme".. important or not important.. it's "just" a competition
er.. well.. forget it
from all 9 europans not even 2% of the all winning projects was built...so...
from my personal knowledge of past NL winners they have ALL done very nicely from the publicity of their wins and it put their names forward to major housing clients and corporations. now if you ask me - thats makes it pretty damn worthwhile.
not extremely important? here's an office that disagrees: MVRDV (the office was founded in 1991 because they won the Europan)
maybe if you would stop spending your time on downplaying other peoples success, and start putting your time into work, you might be able to become more than a 'cad-monkey' (as you so tellingly call yourself)
ok, so MVRDV has make it in the starchitecture world in part because of their Europan experience (and only in part)... now that is 1 of how many?...
- Europan is important? Yes.
- Is it "extremely important" for MVRDV? Maybe (are you telling me that they wouldn't have founded MVRDV if they didn't won Europan? do you have some crystal ball or what?)
- Is it "extremely important" for all the other arch offices? No so much... it looks cool in your CV but that's all.. having participated in an Europan is no guarantee that you have any profitable ideas at all.. it's all just marketing, don't extrapolate the MVRDV experience -or any other particular case- to the rest of the participants, I know some people who spent lots of money and won (and others who had much more interesting projects and didn't won anything) and they ended building nothing..
and .. mr. "pseudoniem-who-joined-Archinect-for-just-one-comment", at least I'm sincere and don't need to create a new nick to say what I want to say
p2an: so that would make it "extremely important" for a real estate forum or a bussiness forum, no? not in Archinect... frankly, I know it's a relevant competition but more for, as you say, the publicity than for the architectural relevance of the work people produces there.
my perception is that this is more like the Grammies or the Oscars... I mean, like Jethro Tull as the best hard rock band or U2 the best alternative combo...
oh, and don't take me wrong, all I say is based on what I've seen from Catalan and Spanish young arch offices... so maybe it's different in the Netherlands or other places in Europe... what do I know, anyway?
We've done it twice, and both time we were finalist but didn't win anything, which is probably the lamest conclusion in an open idea competition.
But Medit, I still think it's a pretty important competition, at least for youngster to practice architecture. The problem is the Europan organization I think: they are well organized in terms of putting up the competition, the necessary documents to do it, maybe not so much the program but that's also the responsability of the city... But after that, once they are willing to get something built, they just don't know what they are talking about...
medit, i would just like to say i did not create "pseudoniem" to leave that comment. it seems like you might have thought i did.
anyway, i am surprised at the reactions to this news story, and all because i said "extremely important". well, i do think that, but perhaps with the clarification that it is "extremely important within the netherlands IMO".
p2an,
no problem.. I don't care at all who "pseudoniem" is... I didn't think if it was you or anyone else..
and, well .. just to clarify: as I said in my 2nd message, "forget it"..., my impression -and thus my reaction to this piece of news- of what Europan is and what's its *real* use is conditioned to the personal experience of someone I knew and some things I've read here and there -which all were related to the iberian firms that have participated or foreign winning firms that designed something for iberian sites-...
so maybe its importance is more substantial in the Netherlands or other places... to the point of being "extremely important"... obviously you know that better than me.
anyway... congrats to all those firms that have made it in the Dutch sites!
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