For clarity. I don't think it's plagierism or theft to use the concept of folding surfaces to form buildings.. and the genealogy is interesting. It's a good study in the evolution of an architectural idea. Whoever contributed to the development of this idea, whether through origination or derivation, simply contributed to that evolution.
My use of the word "theft" referred only to psheldahl's two images above, of the particular FOA and DS+R projects. To my eye, the second building is rather obviously based on the first one. Not only the idea is derived, but the actual form and massing is as well. The DS+R drawing reads as an intentional refinement of the FOA drawing of the same building, transported to a different site. The two buildings - and their formal and probably tectonic details, are two similar to be attributed solely to the derivation of an "idea." If I was FOA, I'd be a little miffed.
Urbanist....I believe the word "theft" was used by Farshid too, who has more right to feel cheated than any of us. I used those two images precisely because they are both diagrams in this form, pure ideas and both the same. If you think it doesn't matter, it is probably because it isn't your work that DS+R just made their own.
Let's be honest, nobody really knows about FOA's Azadi Complex and it is striking to see side by side. In the long run, it isn't my battle, but it should matter to us as Architects and designers.
As for this discussion, I too am more interested in the evolution of these ideas, it is very interesting.
the chamfered corner thing is just retro, right? not new in the 00s or 90s. i expect denari and dsr and others all knew that their sci-fi looking things were retro, right? sort of aligns with the new beetle and the new t-bird time-wise...
Neil Denari vs. Diller Scofido Renfro vs.
For clarity. I don't think it's plagierism or theft to use the concept of folding surfaces to form buildings.. and the genealogy is interesting. It's a good study in the evolution of an architectural idea. Whoever contributed to the development of this idea, whether through origination or derivation, simply contributed to that evolution.
My use of the word "theft" referred only to psheldahl's two images above, of the particular FOA and DS+R projects. To my eye, the second building is rather obviously based on the first one. Not only the idea is derived, but the actual form and massing is as well. The DS+R drawing reads as an intentional refinement of the FOA drawing of the same building, transported to a different site. The two buildings - and their formal and probably tectonic details, are two similar to be attributed solely to the derivation of an "idea." If I was FOA, I'd be a little miffed.
Urbanist....I believe the word "theft" was used by Farshid too, who has more right to feel cheated than any of us. I used those two images precisely because they are both diagrams in this form, pure ideas and both the same. If you think it doesn't matter, it is probably because it isn't your work that DS+R just made their own.
Let's be honest, nobody really knows about FOA's Azadi Complex and it is striking to see side by side. In the long run, it isn't my battle, but it should matter to us as Architects and designers.
As for this discussion, I too am more interested in the evolution of these ideas, it is very interesting.
Regarding the chamfer, Schindler has the earliest example I know of..
Warshaw Residence, RM Schindler, 1937
larger size here
Well, that was FUN! You all should attempt it!
Re: toasteroven's Star Trek TNG images above - the sci-fi connection is crucial. Check Syd Mead from 1979:
the chamfered corner thing is just retro, right? not new in the 00s or 90s. i expect denari and dsr and others all knew that their sci-fi looking things were retro, right? sort of aligns with the new beetle and the new t-bird time-wise...
more chamfered corners: rapson @ guthrie
Walt Disney - the Monsanto house of the future, 1957
link
call me urbane...but isn't EVERY parking garage that fluid line?!?
good point, Raj.. although most of them show a gap between function and the exposure of that function int the buildings' tectonics.
cited in Log 35, p. 21
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