An organic wine from Chile has oenophiles in San Francisco turning up their noses. But there’s nothing wrong with the wine. It’s the name that bothers them:
Palin Syrah.
The wine from a boutique vineyard in Chile was once a strong seller, but now it’s an outcast in the City by the Bay because its name comes way too close to a certain governor from the state of Alaska, says Celine Guillou, co-owner of the Yield Wine Bar.
Palin Syrah — pronounced Pay-LEEN — takes its name from a ball used in a Chilean-style hockey game, and it has been on the bar’s wine list for a while. But sales have plummeted ever since John McCain named Sarah Palin to be his running mate.
“Before McCain made his announcement it was selling very well, because it’s an affordable wine and it’s from South America,” Guillou said. “Then he made his announcement and we hear people making comments constantly about the wine.”
While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old rancher, who's hand was caught in the gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Palin and her bid.
The old rancher said, "Well, ya know, Palin is a 'Post Turtle'."
Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a 'Post Turtle' was.
The old rancher said, "When you're driving down a country road you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a 'Post Turtle'."
The old rancher saw the puzzled look on the doctor's face so he continued to explain. "You know she didn't get up there by herself, she don't belong up there, she don't know what to do while she's up there, and you just wonder what kind of dummy put her up there to begin with."
This is Your Nation on White Privilege, By Tim Wise -- 9/13/08
For those who still can't grasp the concept of white privilege, or who are looking for some easy-to-understand examples of it, perhaps this list will help.
White privilege is when you can get pregnant at seventeen like Bristol Palin and everyone is quick to insist that your life and that of your family is a personal matter, and that no one has a right to judge you or your parents, because "every family has challenges," even as black
and Latino families with similar "challenges" are regularly typified as
irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social decay.
White privilege is when you can call yourself a "fuckin' redneck," like Bristol Palin's boyfriend does, and talk about how if anyone messes with you, you'll "kick their fuckin' ass," and talk about how you like to "shoot shit" for fun, and still be viewed as a responsible, all-American boy (and a great son-in-law to be) rather than a thug.
White privilege is when you can attend four different colleges in six years like Sarah Palin did (one of which you basically failed out of, then returned to after making up some course work at a community college), and no one questions your intelligence or commitment to achievement, whereas a person of color who did this would be viewed as unfit for college, and probably someone who only got in in the first place because of affirmative action.
White privilege is when you can claim that being mayor of a town smaller than most medium-sized colleges, and then Governor of a state with about the same number of people as the lower fifth of the island of Manhattan, makes you ready to potentially be president, and people don't all piss on themselves with laughter, while being a black U.S. Senator, two-term state Senator, and constitutional law scholar, means you're "untested."
White privilege is being able to say that you support the words "under God" in the pledge of allegiance because "if it was good enough for the founding fathers, it's good enough for me," and not be immediately disqualified from holding office--since, after all, the pledge was written in the late 1800s and the "under God" part wasn't added until the 1950s--while believing that reading accused criminals and terrorists their rights (because, ya know, the Constitution, which you used to teach at a prestigious law school requires it), is a dangerous and silly idea only supported by mushy liberals.
White privilege is being able to be a gun enthusiast and not make people immediately scared of you.
White privilege is being able to have a husband who was a member of an extremist political party that wants your state to secede from the Union, and whose motto is "Alaska first," and no one questions your patriotism or that of your family, while if you're black and your spouse merely fails to come to a 9/11 memorial so she can be home with her kids on the first day of school, people immediately think she's being disrespectful.
White privilege is being able to make fun of community organizers and the work they do -- like, among other things, fight for the right of women to vote, or for civil rights, or the 8-hour workday, or an end to child labor -- and people think you're being pithy and tough, but if you merely question the experience of a small town mayor and 18-month governor with no foreign policy expertise beyond a class she took in college and the fact that she lives close to Russia -- you're somehow being mean, or even sexist.
White privilege is being able to convince white women who don't even agree with you on any substantive issue to vote for you and your running mate anyway, because suddenly your presence on the ticket has inspired confidence in these same white women, and made them give your party a "second look."
White privilege is being able to fire people who didn't support your political campaigns and not be accused of abusing your power or being a typical politician who engages in favoritism, while being black and merely knowing some folks from the old-line political machines in Chicago means you must be corrupt.
White privilege is when you can take nearly twenty-four hours to get to a hospital after beginning to leak amniotic fluid, and still be viewed as a great mom whose commitment to her children is unquestionable, and whose "next door neighbor" qualities make her ready to be VP, while if you're a black candidate for president and you let your children be interviewed for a few seconds on TV, you're irresponsibly exploiting them.
White privilege is being able to give a 36 minute speech in which you talk about lipstick and make fun of your opponent, while laying out no substantive policy positions on any issue at all, and still manage to be considered a legitimate candidate, while a black person who gives an hour speech the week before, in which he lays out specific policy proposals on several issues, is still criticized for being too vague about what he would do if elected.
White privilege is being able to attend churches over the years whose pastors say that people who voted for John Kerry or merely criticize George W. Bush are going to hell, and that the U.S. is an explicitly Christian nation and the job of Christians is to bring Christian theological principles into government, and who bring in speakers who say the conflict in the Middle East is God's punishment on Jews for rejecting Jesus, and everyone can still think you're just a good church-going Christian, but if you're black and friends with a black pastor who has noted (as have Colin Powell and the U.S. Department of Defense) that terrorist attacks are often the result of U.S. foreign policy and who talks about the history of racism and its effect on black people, you're an extremist who probably hates America.
White privilege is not knowing what the Bush Doctrine is when asked by a
reporter, and then people get angry at the reporter for asking you such a
"trick question," while being black and merely refusing to give one-word
answers to the queries of Bill O'Reilly means you're dodging the question, or trying to seem overly intellectual and nuanced.
White privilege is being able to go to a prestigious prep school, then to Yale and then Harvard Business school, and yet, still be seen as just an average guy (George W. Bush) while being black, going to a prestigious prep school, then Occidental College, then Columbia, and then to Harvard Law, makes you "uppity," and a snob who probably looks down on regular folks.
White privilege is being able to graduate near the bottom of your college
class (McCain), or graduate with a C average from Yale (W.) and that's
OK, and you're cut out to be president, but if you're black and you
graduate near the top of your class from Harvard Law, you can't be
trusted to make good decisions in office. White privilege is being able
to dump your first wife after she's disfigured in a car crash so you can
take up with a multi-millionaire beauty queen (who you go on to call the
c-word in public) and still be thought of as a man of strong family
values, while if you're black and married for nearly twenty years to the
same woman, your family is viewed as un-American and your gestures of
affection for each other are called "terrorist fist bumps."
White privilege is being able to sing a song about bombing Iran and still be viewed as a sober and rational statesman, with the maturity to be president, while being black and suggesting that the U.S. should speak with other nations, even when we have disagreements with them, makes you "dangerously naive and immature."
White privilege is being able to claim your experience as a POW has anything at all to do with your fitness for president, while being black and experiencing racism and an absent father is apparently among the "lesser adversities" faced by other politicians, as Sarah
Palin explained in her convention speech.
And finally, white privilege is the only thing that could possibly allow someone to become president when he has voted with George W. Bush 90 percent of the time, even as unemployment is skyrocketing, people are losing their homes, inflation is rising, and the U.S. is increasingly isolated from world opinion, just because white voters aren't sure about that whole "change" thing. Ya know, it's just too vague and ill-defined, unlike, say, four more years of the same, which is very concrete and certain.
Well, I will say, its more complex than "white privilege". I also think there are plenty of relevant substantive reasons why Palin would make a pretty terrifying president that have nothing to do with her family.
I think SDR pretty much hit the hammer on the nail with a lot of the observations he/she wrote. Open your eyes, clamfan, and see the hypocrisy. It's blatantly clear when you actually stop and take a look around.
sdr.
that rings a bit like alanis' 'isn't it ironic'
i think that some of those things could be filed under 'white privilege'
but i also think that alot of those examples are untrue...
i think palin has been fairly questioned on a number of those topics
and that alot of white people have a lot problems with her as a viable
candidate.
i also think a number of those examples sited regarding obama are the same things that were said about gore..who is
white..because that is what the republicans do..it has nothing to
do with the color of obama's skin...it's that the republicans make
intelligence out to be a crime against humanity.
I just ... don't ... understand ... are those people that cheer at the McCain rallies REALLY that stupid? Are there that many people who are putting blinders on to this joke of a campaign he is running? Have you watched the latest bits of interview with Katie Couric?
Thank god early voting is starting in Ohio already.
Can't recall if the Ann Kilkenny piece is on an earlier page of this thread. Here's the latest on that. (She basically outed Palin for her local actions in Alaska.)
"Refreshingly Reaganesque, or "Gidget Goes to Washington' ?" R N Smith
Wind-up Barbie, says I. And I guess she doesn't know the expression "Achilles heel". . . or else she just didn't want to answer the question about past mistakes -- any more than did G W Bush.
I'm glad Joe Biden got to tell it like it is about Cheney -- and the bonus is that we learn that Sarah Palin has drunk that Kool-Aid, too.
It was a tragedy, from my point of view: she did far better that I had hoped. Ugh.
the fundamentally important point from the debate was that she believes in the VP's expanding role, ala Obama's cousin Dick. THAT, should scare the shit out of people. Joe choking up when talking about his first wife, the death of her and the daughter, and injury to his sons, was the most poignant moment i have witnessed in a debate.
she failed miserably. would not answer a question, when she did not know an answer, she went to her tried and true Alaska and energy policy - regardless of the question.
She did far better than I hoped, although the criticism was overplayed.
But Biden also did better than I had hoped.
I think the key is going to be that they have nothing specific to say, nothing about policies or details. The only facts are that they (M/P) are telling lies.
She did very well, but I think people will see there was no substance there. If she had come out with this performance weeks ago, people probably wouldn't have questioned her so much.
I really love how Kudlow (CNBC) was making such a big deal about Biden forgetting that General's name and how she remembered, only to learn she was saying his name incorrectly!! Haha, that was great.
I wish Gwen (or Joe) had called Palin on the Achilles heel question: she completely ignored the question (or didn't understand it ?) and went off on one of her personal history rants.
Palin didn't answer ANY of the questions. Once she ran out of memorized talking points, Palin went off the rails and just started winking and telling stupid stories about her family.
"I may not answer the questions exactly the way the "mass media" wants me to" meant "I'm not going to answer your questions at all if they deviate from my memorized sheet of talking points". She just looked so proud when she remembered her lines. What a sham.
I thought "Caribou Barbie" did an awful job. The "folksiness" that she's being praised for this morning is an obivous stall tactic to buy her some mental time to load the next talking point from her cram session the night before. I threw up in my mouth a little bit each time she did the head nod/wink thing...
I surprised so many people are commending the job she did last night. I thought she appeared very nervous and scared to screw up. You could hear it in her wavering voice. No substance whatsoever from any of her circular answers. Some talking head on NBC praised her debate skills and how she was able to dodge a question... What? That's a good quality that we want in a VP/potential president? The ability to skirt (pun intended) the issue and not give a straight (talk) answer?!?!
I thought Biden did a fine job. I was a little disappointed that he didn't go back at her when she was trying to bait him. Very even tone and matter-of-factly stayed on topic with succinct answers, but seemed to have enough anger and frustration in his responses that I thought were a good reflection of how the rest of America feels...
dml, you're talking from a fairly narrow point-of-view. i think she spoke to HER audience in a very effective way, pushing the buttons they like pushed, and that's why she's being congratulated on having done a good job.
biden, though you and i might think he did better and spoke with more authority, was sort of doing the same thing - giving HIS audience what they wanted.
i don't think this debate will change many/any minds. they both did fine.
Biden has slipped up here and there, but I'd hardly say he 'bluted out crazy crap'.
Palen is doing what Bush did - she is coming across as the 'regular' American. They know it, why she was chosen, and they are trying to drive that home.
Just keep in mind that 95% of the folks out there care more about the person than the policies (which anyone could make a reasonable argument are a bunch of lies, from both sides).
I agree with dml. The whole phony folksiness thing made me want to hurl a brick through the television... Or just plain hurl. Show me one normal person who actually talks that way... The whole thing was like a bad SNL parody. It irritated the hell out of me when Hillary put on the patronizing, phony "aw shucks" folksiness act during the primaries, but Palin takes it to a whole new level. Hillary Clinton, all is forgiven.
Palin may have played well to her base, but her base is the same 19% of dead-enders who still think Bush is doing a heckava job as President. Thankfully, those people won't be deciding this election.
apologies for the ambiguity - with "they both" i was referring to mccain and palin, none other
biden overall did a good job imho, good he didn't become condescending like some feared he would. he really must have had to bote his lip when trying to hold a meaningful and intelligent debate with someone like sarah palin.
Sarah Palin???
haha "the vent" ... i'm gonna start calling mine that.
Yall see Chris Rock the other night?
'Michael vick is somewhere sayin' "Why am I in jail?".'
By Jennifer Lawinski
An organic wine from Chile has oenophiles in San Francisco turning up their noses. But there’s nothing wrong with the wine. It’s the name that bothers them:
Palin Syrah.
The wine from a boutique vineyard in Chile was once a strong seller, but now it’s an outcast in the City by the Bay because its name comes way too close to a certain governor from the state of Alaska, says Celine Guillou, co-owner of the Yield Wine Bar.
Palin Syrah — pronounced Pay-LEEN — takes its name from a ball used in a Chilean-style hockey game, and it has been on the bar’s wine list for a while. But sales have plummeted ever since John McCain named Sarah Palin to be his running mate.
“Before McCain made his announcement it was selling very well, because it’s an affordable wine and it’s from South America,” Guillou said. “Then he made his announcement and we hear people making comments constantly about the wine.”
While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old rancher, who's hand was caught in the gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Palin and her bid.
The old rancher said, "Well, ya know, Palin is a 'Post Turtle'."
Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a 'Post Turtle' was.
The old rancher said, "When you're driving down a country road you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a 'Post Turtle'."
The old rancher saw the puzzled look on the doctor's face so he continued to explain. "You know she didn't get up there by herself, she don't belong up there, she don't know what to do while she's up there, and you just wonder what kind of dummy put her up there to begin with."
hey lookey she has been saved from Satan to run for election by her backasswards 'church'
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080925/ap_on_el_ge/palin_witchcraft_blessing;_ylt=AvKqxnteWxNAaRQxh4wMbrKs0NUE
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=palin+witchcraft&search_type=&aq=f
hahahaha
sic
i would like to learn more about her parents and other people who have forced/abused this worldview into her
Post Turtle! Hilarious. Brilliant.
indeed, that is one to pass around the office.
And like, such as, america haters, and like, the Iraq, and everywhere like, and such as.
hahah english as a second language for illiterate beauty pageant contestants?
That's just painful to watch.
but it's hot to have so many people put their greasy jesus loving hands on you , admit it
This is Your Nation on White Privilege, By Tim Wise -- 9/13/08
For those who still can't grasp the concept of white privilege, or who are looking for some easy-to-understand examples of it, perhaps this list will help.
White privilege is when you can get pregnant at seventeen like Bristol Palin and everyone is quick to insist that your life and that of your family is a personal matter, and that no one has a right to judge you or your parents, because "every family has challenges," even as black
and Latino families with similar "challenges" are regularly typified as
irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social decay.
White privilege is when you can call yourself a "fuckin' redneck," like Bristol Palin's boyfriend does, and talk about how if anyone messes with you, you'll "kick their fuckin' ass," and talk about how you like to "shoot shit" for fun, and still be viewed as a responsible, all-American boy (and a great son-in-law to be) rather than a thug.
White privilege is when you can attend four different colleges in six years like Sarah Palin did (one of which you basically failed out of, then returned to after making up some course work at a community college), and no one questions your intelligence or commitment to achievement, whereas a person of color who did this would be viewed as unfit for college, and probably someone who only got in in the first place because of affirmative action.
White privilege is when you can claim that being mayor of a town smaller than most medium-sized colleges, and then Governor of a state with about the same number of people as the lower fifth of the island of Manhattan, makes you ready to potentially be president, and people don't all piss on themselves with laughter, while being a black U.S. Senator, two-term state Senator, and constitutional law scholar, means you're "untested."
White privilege is being able to say that you support the words "under God" in the pledge of allegiance because "if it was good enough for the founding fathers, it's good enough for me," and not be immediately disqualified from holding office--since, after all, the pledge was written in the late 1800s and the "under God" part wasn't added until the 1950s--while believing that reading accused criminals and terrorists their rights (because, ya know, the Constitution, which you used to teach at a prestigious law school requires it), is a dangerous and silly idea only supported by mushy liberals.
White privilege is being able to be a gun enthusiast and not make people immediately scared of you.
White privilege is being able to have a husband who was a member of an extremist political party that wants your state to secede from the Union, and whose motto is "Alaska first," and no one questions your patriotism or that of your family, while if you're black and your spouse merely fails to come to a 9/11 memorial so she can be home with her kids on the first day of school, people immediately think she's being disrespectful.
White privilege is being able to make fun of community organizers and the work they do -- like, among other things, fight for the right of women to vote, or for civil rights, or the 8-hour workday, or an end to child labor -- and people think you're being pithy and tough, but if you merely question the experience of a small town mayor and 18-month governor with no foreign policy expertise beyond a class she took in college and the fact that she lives close to Russia -- you're somehow being mean, or even sexist.
White privilege is being able to convince white women who don't even agree with you on any substantive issue to vote for you and your running mate anyway, because suddenly your presence on the ticket has inspired confidence in these same white women, and made them give your party a "second look."
White privilege is being able to fire people who didn't support your political campaigns and not be accused of abusing your power or being a typical politician who engages in favoritism, while being black and merely knowing some folks from the old-line political machines in Chicago means you must be corrupt.
White privilege is when you can take nearly twenty-four hours to get to a hospital after beginning to leak amniotic fluid, and still be viewed as a great mom whose commitment to her children is unquestionable, and whose "next door neighbor" qualities make her ready to be VP, while if you're a black candidate for president and you let your children be interviewed for a few seconds on TV, you're irresponsibly exploiting them.
White privilege is being able to give a 36 minute speech in which you talk about lipstick and make fun of your opponent, while laying out no substantive policy positions on any issue at all, and still manage to be considered a legitimate candidate, while a black person who gives an hour speech the week before, in which he lays out specific policy proposals on several issues, is still criticized for being too vague about what he would do if elected.
White privilege is being able to attend churches over the years whose pastors say that people who voted for John Kerry or merely criticize George W. Bush are going to hell, and that the U.S. is an explicitly Christian nation and the job of Christians is to bring Christian theological principles into government, and who bring in speakers who say the conflict in the Middle East is God's punishment on Jews for rejecting Jesus, and everyone can still think you're just a good church-going Christian, but if you're black and friends with a black pastor who has noted (as have Colin Powell and the U.S. Department of Defense) that terrorist attacks are often the result of U.S. foreign policy and who talks about the history of racism and its effect on black people, you're an extremist who probably hates America.
White privilege is not knowing what the Bush Doctrine is when asked by a
reporter, and then people get angry at the reporter for asking you such a
"trick question," while being black and merely refusing to give one-word
answers to the queries of Bill O'Reilly means you're dodging the question, or trying to seem overly intellectual and nuanced.
White privilege is being able to go to a prestigious prep school, then to Yale and then Harvard Business school, and yet, still be seen as just an average guy (George W. Bush) while being black, going to a prestigious prep school, then Occidental College, then Columbia, and then to Harvard Law, makes you "uppity," and a snob who probably looks down on regular folks.
White privilege is being able to graduate near the bottom of your college
class (McCain), or graduate with a C average from Yale (W.) and that's
OK, and you're cut out to be president, but if you're black and you
graduate near the top of your class from Harvard Law, you can't be
trusted to make good decisions in office. White privilege is being able
to dump your first wife after she's disfigured in a car crash so you can
take up with a multi-millionaire beauty queen (who you go on to call the
c-word in public) and still be thought of as a man of strong family
values, while if you're black and married for nearly twenty years to the
same woman, your family is viewed as un-American and your gestures of
affection for each other are called "terrorist fist bumps."
White privilege is being able to sing a song about bombing Iran and still be viewed as a sober and rational statesman, with the maturity to be president, while being black and suggesting that the U.S. should speak with other nations, even when we have disagreements with them, makes you "dangerously naive and immature."
White privilege is being able to claim your experience as a POW has anything at all to do with your fitness for president, while being black and experiencing racism and an absent father is apparently among the "lesser adversities" faced by other politicians, as Sarah
Palin explained in her convention speech.
And finally, white privilege is the only thing that could possibly allow someone to become president when he has voted with George W. Bush 90 percent of the time, even as unemployment is skyrocketing, people are losing their homes, inflation is rising, and the U.S. is increasingly isolated from world opinion, just because white voters aren't sure about that whole "change" thing. Ya know, it's just too vague and ill-defined, unlike, say, four more years of the same, which is very concrete and certain.
White privilege is, in short, the problem.
SDR - suck my white balls and love it.
oh clammy... your mom restored your internet privileges?
Oh wait -- there's more:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iM0mUfATJk
clamfan...alias Levi J of Palin fame....a true redneck!
Well, I will say, its more complex than "white privilege". I also think there are plenty of relevant substantive reasons why Palin would make a pretty terrifying president that have nothing to do with her family.
SDR is a racist.
calling someone racist is pretty serious
back them up with some argument and they won't ring so hollow
sarah palin quotes generator: almost as jibberishy as the real thing:
http://palinquotes.awardspace.com/
he is a race traitor and that is OK. and actually undoes racism and exposes those who are (see your reaction).
White Male Privilege is the most major problem.
I think SDR pretty much hit the hammer on the nail with a lot of the observations he/she wrote. Open your eyes, clamfan, and see the hypocrisy. It's blatantly clear when you actually stop and take a look around.
Oh! it even has a wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Privilege
sdr.
that rings a bit like alanis' 'isn't it ironic'
i think that some of those things could be filed under 'white privilege'
but i also think that alot of those examples are untrue...
i think palin has been fairly questioned on a number of those topics
and that alot of white people have a lot problems with her as a viable
candidate.
i also think a number of those examples sited regarding obama are the same things that were said about gore..who is
white..because that is what the republicans do..it has nothing to
do with the color of obama's skin...it's that the republicans make
intelligence out to be a crime against humanity.
I just ... don't ... understand ... are those people that cheer at the McCain rallies REALLY that stupid? Are there that many people who are putting blinders on to this joke of a campaign he is running? Have you watched the latest bits of interview with Katie Couric?
Thank god early voting is starting in Ohio already.
the answer to your questions: YES
For the record, Tim Wise wrote what I posted above (note byline at the beginning). Someone sent it to me last week.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Wise
Can't recall if the Ann Kilkenny piece is on an earlier page of this thread. Here's the latest on that. (She basically outed Palin for her local actions in Alaska.)
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-kilkenny30-2008sep30,0,3962236.story
Hey, she's doing pretty well, maybe they lowered expectations on purpose?
so far she ain't the bimbo they made her out to be in the press...however, little bit like a robot.
po-mo lecterns are definitely robert stern'ish though.
I take it back, she's cracking up a little now.
they must have her write 100 times on the blackboard; "maverick"
on mc cain, "maverick he is not!"
- joe biden
that was a good moment.
it was one of the better vp debates i've seen. at the end, the tableau on the stage was very civilized and worthy of american democracy.
"Refreshingly Reaganesque, or "Gidget Goes to Washington' ?" R N Smith
Wind-up Barbie, says I. And I guess she doesn't know the expression "Achilles heel". . . or else she just didn't want to answer the question about past mistakes -- any more than did G W Bush.
I'm glad Joe Biden got to tell it like it is about Cheney -- and the bonus is that we learn that Sarah Palin has drunk that Kool-Aid, too.
It was a tragedy, from my point of view: she did far better that I had hoped. Ugh.
the fundamentally important point from the debate was that she believes in the VP's expanding role, ala Obama's cousin Dick. THAT, should scare the shit out of people. Joe choking up when talking about his first wife, the death of her and the daughter, and injury to his sons, was the most poignant moment i have witnessed in a debate.
she failed miserably. would not answer a question, when she did not know an answer, she went to her tried and true Alaska and energy policy - regardless of the question.
we deserve more, not morons.
She did far better than I hoped, although the criticism was overplayed.
But Biden also did better than I had hoped.
I think the key is going to be that they have nothing specific to say, nothing about policies or details. The only facts are that they (M/P) are telling lies.
She did very well, but I think people will see there was no substance there. If she had come out with this performance weeks ago, people probably wouldn't have questioned her so much.
I really love how Kudlow (CNBC) was making such a big deal about Biden forgetting that General's name and how she remembered, only to learn she was saying his name incorrectly!! Haha, that was great.
I wish Gwen (or Joe) had called Palin on the Achilles heel question: she completely ignored the question (or didn't understand it ?) and went off on one of her personal history rants.
Oops -- I already went there. Never mind.
Palin didn't answer ANY of the questions. Once she ran out of memorized talking points, Palin went off the rails and just started winking and telling stupid stories about her family.
"I may not answer the questions exactly the way the "mass media" wants me to" meant "I'm not going to answer your questions at all if they deviate from my memorized sheet of talking points". She just looked so proud when she remembered her lines. What a sham.
Yup. Wind-Me-Up Barbie. . .
she's got a bright future repeating talking points on faux news.
oh, and is "reform" dominionist speak for making the u.s. a theocracy?
Maybe she's a Movementarian.
I thought "Caribou Barbie" did an awful job. The "folksiness" that she's being praised for this morning is an obivous stall tactic to buy her some mental time to load the next talking point from her cram session the night before. I threw up in my mouth a little bit each time she did the head nod/wink thing...
I surprised so many people are commending the job she did last night. I thought she appeared very nervous and scared to screw up. You could hear it in her wavering voice. No substance whatsoever from any of her circular answers. Some talking head on NBC praised her debate skills and how she was able to dodge a question... What? That's a good quality that we want in a VP/potential president? The ability to skirt (pun intended) the issue and not give a straight (talk) answer?!?!
I thought Biden did a fine job. I was a little disappointed that he didn't go back at her when she was trying to bait him. Very even tone and matter-of-factly stayed on topic with succinct answers, but seemed to have enough anger and frustration in his responses that I thought were a good reflection of how the rest of America feels...
dml, you're talking from a fairly narrow point-of-view. i think she spoke to HER audience in a very effective way, pushing the buttons they like pushed, and that's why she's being congratulated on having done a good job.
biden, though you and i might think he did better and spoke with more authority, was sort of doing the same thing - giving HIS audience what they wanted.
i don't think this debate will change many/any minds. they both did fine.
my goodness how daft that woman is...almost rivalling their main candidate
it's like they both get up in the morning and go: "hmm, i wonder what crazy crap i''m going to blurt out today?"
mccain-palin would be a coalition whose stupidity parallells the budget deficit
Biden has slipped up here and there, but I'd hardly say he 'bluted out crazy crap'.
Palen is doing what Bush did - she is coming across as the 'regular' American. They know it, why she was chosen, and they are trying to drive that home.
Just keep in mind that 95% of the folks out there care more about the person than the policies (which anyone could make a reasonable argument are a bunch of lies, from both sides).
I agree with SW, this didn't change anything.
I agree with dml. The whole phony folksiness thing made me want to hurl a brick through the television... Or just plain hurl. Show me one normal person who actually talks that way... The whole thing was like a bad SNL parody. It irritated the hell out of me when Hillary put on the patronizing, phony "aw shucks" folksiness act during the primaries, but Palin takes it to a whole new level. Hillary Clinton, all is forgiven.
Palin may have played well to her base, but her base is the same 19% of dead-enders who still think Bush is doing a heckava job as President. Thankfully, those people won't be deciding this election.
Ya betcha!
apologies for the ambiguity - with "they both" i was referring to mccain and palin, none other
biden overall did a good job imho, good he didn't become condescending like some feared he would. he really must have had to bote his lip when trying to hold a meaningful and intelligent debate with someone like sarah palin.
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