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citrus.grey

mdler, Portland is an extremely walkable city. If you can get into a good neighborhood in southeast Portland (Hawthorne, Belmont, Hollywood, N Alberta) you'll have everything within walking distance. The mass transit here is also pretty great for a "large town", I don't own a car and get around just fine and in a pretty timely fashion.

Mar 17, 08 6:12 pm  · 
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citrus.grey

Oh and for a good description of northwest weather: twin peaks.

Mar 17, 08 6:14 pm  · 
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crowbert

Oh, Louisville is a good place to say where you're from as opposed to LA when you move to PacNW area.

Mar 17, 08 7:08 pm  · 
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BabbleBeautiful

Topics like this makes me curious to think on here what people think about San Diego.

Mar 17, 08 7:27 pm  · 
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holz.box

ah san diego...

there are quite a few good firms, but i really hate the environs.. and what i perceive to be a lack of culture (for which i got slammed in a previous posting)

Mar 17, 08 7:47 pm  · 
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BabbleBeautiful

the thing is.... in regards to culture, I agree with you.

Mar 17, 08 7:51 pm  · 
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holz.box

yeah. it's not like i've never been there.

Mar 17, 08 8:07 pm  · 
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induct

San Diego is awful.

Mar 17, 08 9:49 pm  · 
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holz.box

we should all get togethor and drink to how bad SD is...

if i ever jumped ship, i'd like to get a job @somelab

Mar 17, 08 10:58 pm  · 
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BabbleBeautiful

i'm down, meet me here in San Diego, Haha

Mar 18, 08 11:38 am  · 
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207moak

Portland...

...Maine

Mar 18, 08 4:29 pm  · 
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holz, I'd happily work there too. ; )

Mar 18, 08 4:52 pm  · 
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holz.box

sweet, let's all harass e til we get hired...

Mar 18, 08 5:06 pm  · 
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I think I've got a jump on you there, I've been harrassing him for months already!

Mar 18, 08 5:15 pm  · 
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psycho-mullet

If you need clean water hit the santiam.

Like has been stated. No the weather isn't that bad. But after 4 months of no sun it can take it's toll. It affects people differently. Now I just take long vacations in LA durring the winter and stay with my friends for free, after a couple of weeks in LA I can't wait to get back to Portland.

Mar 18, 08 10:56 pm  · 
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boxy

seattlites are strangely clicky. they are nice to you at the coffee shop and at QFC, but everyone's so satisfied with what they're doing and who they're hanging out with that it's hard to make new friends.

Mar 18, 08 11:05 pm  · 
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^^^^^exactly! The northwest veneer! How does one break through it (other than neglecting to mention my extended time in LA)?

Mar 18, 08 11:16 pm  · 
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holz.box

people in beantown and new york are just as clicky, yo.

Mar 19, 08 12:14 am  · 
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phuyaké

and in new york no one will be nice to you in a coffee shop

Mar 19, 08 12:49 am  · 
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e

holz + rationalist, you are too kind. one could only hope to work with ppl as passionate and thoughtful as the two of you.

now for good food. seattle has a good bit of it. it's no san francisco. but it does it's best. some recent ventures have lead me to a very good meal at tilth. they do small and entree sized plates. i like the small plates. the more i can sample the better. they are one of two restaurants in the country to receive organic certification from oregon tilth. union also does small plates. on the last outing there, i had the lentil soup with duck egg, sea urchin pasta and the beef tongue. yummers. cafe campagne is always a great spot for brunch. the cassoulet is divine as is the oeufs en meurette. compliment it with a bloody mary and you can't go wrong. and we can't forget salumi. what's a list without cured meats? their sandwiches rock. get there early though. there will be a line even before they open.

i know portland has a lot of great places to eat too. i just don't live there. i was there is late november and went to clark lewis. we had a great meal and service. the space is pretty sweet too. a tad loud though. i wanted to steal the water carafe. man those things were super cool, and each table had a different one.

Mar 19, 08 12:16 pm  · 
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mdler

i think that the no-sun-in-portland-makes-me-depressed thing is funny...I get depressed in LA because it is always sunny. Being from the midwest, I think that my body really needs the change in seasons to make me happy


I will tell all the Portlanders that I am from Cincinnati and that I just took a wrong turn on the 5 freeway and got stuck in LA for a few years

Mar 19, 08 12:28 pm  · 
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e

i hear you on the change of seasons mdler. i felt the same when i lived in san francisco. you will certainly get it up here in the northwest. winter solstice: 8 hours of daylight. summer solstice: 16 hours.

Mar 19, 08 12:35 pm  · 
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holz.box

is that a job offer e? ;)

yeah, there are some really good restaurants. i dig via tribunali as well. salumi's is amazing, but it's a hike for me...

Mar 19, 08 12:47 pm  · 
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I haven't gotten a chance to try all this amazingness that e mentions, but I heart both Cafe Presse and Quinn's on Cap Hill.

Mar 19, 08 1:27 pm  · 
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e

i wish it could be a job offer. we grew by 200% last year by my wife joining me. we are super busy right now and hope to take on someone else by the summer.

i have not been to via tribunali yet. i've been wanting to go, but for some reason i always forget about it. cafe presse is a good one. i'm going to quinn's next week for my birthday. i've heard great things about it including that it's reasonably priced. looking forward to the oxtail, potato gnocchi + crispy marrow and the duck + duck rillette.

for some good mexican food, try la carte oaxaca. small plates again. they often have some good mezcals too.

Mar 19, 08 1:42 pm  · 
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holz.box

Yeah yeah. Good to see you aren’t starving, e.

It’s ok, I don’t really have the skillset anyway. Pipe dreamin….

When (not if) you go to via trib, go to the cap hill location. It feels very euro, reminds me of home.

Have you been to brouwers for the barleywine festival yet?

Mar 19, 08 2:02 pm  · 
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e

i once did not have the skill set either.

Thanks for the tip on via tribunaii.

I have been to the barleywine festival. i was one of the judges sitting there at 9a on Saturday morning drinking 10-15% beers. what better way to start the morning. you?


Mar 19, 08 2:10 pm  · 
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hey, if you want to try someone out in the summer, I'll be available for 8-10 weeks... I've been telling myself about once a month that I really need to put together a physical portfolio, but then by the next month it'd be out of date! I've got to find a way to work around that circumstance, which I don't see being alleviated anytime soon.

dang, I need to get to barleywine again before I head out of town on Saturday.

Mar 19, 08 2:31 pm  · 
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mdler

my 1st exposure to barley wine was this...



had no idea what barley wine was, yet was wondering why I was drunk off my ass after one bottle

Mar 19, 08 2:44 pm  · 
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e

rationalist, when you get your stuff together we'd certainly be happy to meet with you.

Mar 19, 08 4:34 pm  · 
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wrecking ball

anyone else notice that the job market in seattle is in a nose dive?

Mar 31, 08 10:37 pm  · 
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holz.box

really? we're hiring, OSKA recently hired, mithun callison and a slew of other firms are hiring as well...

Mar 31, 08 10:50 pm  · 
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wrecking ball

where do you work?

and my contacts at mithun and oska all said they weren't hiring...

don't think i would want to do the callison route.

Mar 31, 08 10:58 pm  · 
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holz.box

oska hired a few people in the last couple of months.

nbbj was looking.

i meant mahlum not mithun...

i'd avoid the callison route as well.

Mar 31, 08 11:09 pm  · 
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wrecking ball

well i'm not having any luck, at least with the offices i WANT to work for...

Apr 1, 08 1:07 am  · 
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holz.box

well, even i have that problem. or rather, had. are you moving from SD? want me to post the firms i really respect in town?

Apr 1, 08 1:10 am  · 
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wrecking ball

no, virginia.

please.

Apr 1, 08 1:11 am  · 
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e

We're staying busy. Landed a decent size job last week. Another today. A number of smaller ones for existing clients. Three interviews this week for new work.

Apr 1, 08 1:23 am  · 
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holz.box

va sucks. that's all i've got to say about that.

architects are wierd here in the nw. it all kinda blends togethor. i'm gonna catch a lot o' flack for this list...

alright, incomplete by any standard...
really respect:
bcj
cutler (mixed bag)
oska
suyama peterson
miller | hull
eric cobb (mixed bag)
lead pencil studio
eggleston farkas
david coleman
mw works (BCJ spin off)
anderson anderson
vandeventer + carlander

the rest:
nbbj
mithun
mahlum
schacht aslani (mixed bag)
LMN
bjarko serra
heliotrope
hutchison & maul
johnston arch.
weinstein a+u
patano hafermann
pb elemental (you'll have to grow a beard, and the work is redundant)
shed
chadbourne + doss
john deforest
prentiss
boxwood
beck studio
workshop a+d
lane williams/coop 15 (mixed bag)
SkB


don't even look outside of seattle. just don't.

Apr 1, 08 1:26 am  · 
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holz.box

build llc

Apr 1, 08 1:35 am  · 
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wrecking ball

virginia does suck. that's why i got out of there. thanks for the list, you had some in 'the rest' i didn't know about. i might add domestic architecture to the top list - i'm a huge fan of their work right now.

Apr 1, 08 1:38 am  · 
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holz.box

ah, roy. yeah, not really my style.

i wish we had a chipperfield-esque firm here but alas...

Apr 1, 08 1:41 am  · 
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wrecking ball

his work is fab - i agree. seattle is a huge improvement over va but i am already tired to the 'protruding joist' aesthetic. and although i love bcj, they are very guilty in that dept.

Apr 1, 08 1:46 am  · 
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holz.box

the joists @ ballard library are gonna get lopped off any day now... wait, are you already in sea?

Apr 1, 08 1:47 am  · 
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wrecking ball

the 'serpentine' curtain wall at ballard library also really bothers me.

i am in seattle, all moved.

Apr 1, 08 1:54 am  · 
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holz.box

have you been to the red room @ city hall? have you already resume-bombed everyone? vt/uva?

Apr 1, 08 1:57 am  · 
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wrecking ball

i need to go to city hall, maybe tomorrow.

vt.

most of the top list, maybe half of your bottom list. all tell me 'great portfolio, you're ideal, but i don't have any work coming in the door, blah ,blah'. maybe they're bullshitting me? looking for more experience? i've had several contacts (not involved in the hiring) at the best offices say they're not hiring. so who knows.



Apr 1, 08 2:08 am  · 
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holz.box

well, if you've got contacts you are halfway there. i moved here and basically cold called and resumebombed the entire city. got a job, but then calls from the firms i moved here for. twas not fun. there are vt people everywhere. i think callison has a bunch. one at schacht aslani, one at oska, one at place architects maybe, and then a bunch of smaller firms i know nothing about.

adams mohler is another that is a tossup. they're old oska people, if i recall.
maybe...
atelier jones
blip
david foster
johnson squared (bainbridge)
perkins + will
david vandervort
ruffcorn mott - were recently hiring
coates design - winner of cradle to cradle
finne

Apr 1, 08 2:19 am  · 
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holz.box

ack, disapearring words. former co-worker.

Apr 1, 08 2:21 am  · 
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wrecking ball

cool, thanks for the advice!

Apr 1, 08 2:29 am  · 
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