did you guys see Obama's campaign's call to take the day off? I am considering doing it although I may not be able to, plus in my hood it may not be necessary (although I guess I could always make calls). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UFzkO5OhKY&e
These last weeks remind me of the battle in Helm's deep, fox news, drudge, etc... are the orks attacking and attacking. A record turnout (and those who help turn out the voters) would be like Gandalf appearing in the horizon towards the end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK2W5AMe9vY
lord of the rings metaphors, I am obviously exhausted.
free lighten up, some bloggers are calling it that as a joke, I seem to remember you and your right wing troll buddies coming up with all types of Obama words a couple of months ago.
i'd like to give major props to the dean of the arch. school @ UVA, karen van langen, for having the foresight to make voting easier for her students. unlike the ultra conservative econ d-bag, ken elzinga, who's intro to econ class could easily sway an election in albermarle county.
If you change your mind, I'm the first in line
Honey I´m still free
Take a chance on me
If you need me, let me know, gonna be around
If you got no place to go when you're feeling down
If you're all alone when the pretty birds have flown
Honey I'm still free
Take a chance on me
Gonna do my very best and it ain't no lie
If you put me to the test, if you let me try
Take a chance on me
(That's all I ask of you honey)
Take a chance on me
How come this election has me going from thrilled optimism to pessimism within just a few hours? Now I have surreal dreams of a post-apocalyptic world where the U.S. is not even close to a super-power and ran by Sarah Palin and her douchy snowmobiler of a husband.
I am certainly not the demographic for this, but I thought we would be seeing a hell of a lot of more white people. We saw a vision of America, white, hispanic, black, etc... that moved me. Cerebrally you would think that he would suck up to joe-six packs as much as possible, but it didnt seem that way. Also, direct and to the point.
I thought the live feed to FL seemed a little weird, but have read people thought it showed how on point the whole campaign was, no fuck ups at all.
John McCain still looks like he cannot come back, but Obama is (quite frankly) still black. That means that we have to hope for the best and prepare for the worst (VOLUNTEER, make calls, etc...).
Eli - why focus on race? you're bumming my stone with your expectation that obama would 'suck up' to voters by showing a lot of 'white people' in his infobamamercial.
and you're pessimistic because obama is .. still black? come on, man. we don't need non-racists talking like racists, but i fear that is the thing that 'will never die'.
free, I am just very frustrated. If Obama was Bill Johnson in a year with these type of numbers for Democrats he would be up at least 15. The only reason that he isn't, imho, is race. The reason he may still lose Pennsylvania; race. The reason he may lose Ohio; race.
I hate to say it because it truly hurts my heart, but I think Obama can still lose this due to race. One man's opinion, but no one ever said that electing the first non-white man would be easy.
Finally, free, are you in the O camp now?
to show you my pessimism, this is my projection:
Obama: 270
McCain: 268
Obama Loses FL, OH, MO, and PA but picks up VA, NV, CO, NM, and IA
the only reason why we are still talking about this is the national media will do just about anything to make it appear close enough to some how keep our wandering attention off of reality television, surfing for porn, and counting the days till sunday to see how our fantasy football teams fare.
there's no such thing as a vadoesque song. there's a vado song and then theres a non vado song. records are being broken here for early voting and i have to think most of the votes are being cast for barack.
It is closer than you think, its actually tightened up alot just this week, which is why probably a lot of the hardcore obamistas are chewing their nails while all of their casual liberal friends are sitting back with their coolatas. Ive been all over these polls for a year now, Ive seen Barack lose 10 points in 2 days. He absolutely can lose this election. If he loses Pennsylvania, which he can, it probably means hes lost Ohio and Florida too and McCain wins. If he loses Virginia McCain probably wins. So seriously people need to wake the fuck up. We arent just blowing horns to create some vague get out the vote stir. Shit is legitimately scary right now.
The campaign is seriously making me wonder. This is an email I got this morning,
"I'm the Chief Financial Officer for Barack Obama's campaign. I track the donations coming in and the expenses going out.
I asked for the opportunity to write to you directly so that I could try to explain what's happening right now.
This organization has thousands of employees and spends millions of dollars a day -- and at the moment we're doing it without a safety net.
Our spending plans have been stretched by John McCain's negative attacks and the overwhelming resources of the Republican National Committee.
As of October 15th, John McCain and the RNC together had nearly $20 million more in cash than the combined total of Obama for America and the DNC. And just this week, we're facing new and unexpected spending against us in Montana and West Virginia.
Your incredible generosity has gotten us this far. But right now we need your help more than ever to get this campaign across the finish line.
Please donate $25 or whatever you can afford right now:
My team and I are working to stretch every dollar in order to keep as many paths to victory open as possible. But we need whatever help you can provide for this crucial final stretch.
Thank you,
MM
Marianne Markowitz
Chief Financial Officer
Obama for America
OE
i agree that there is no room for complacency and its absolutely imperative that obama supporters dont get overly confident but you have to moderate your anxiety a bit...
obama is still up 6% in Ohio (rcp average, which in my oppinion is the best possible polling method) and has been for a month, it has barely moved.
obama is up 9% in Pen. That number has come down moderately, but a quick look at all the polls shows they have come down perhaps 3 points in the last month, no precipitous drop there either.
VA - obama up 6%, down approx 1% over the past week but in a state where it was a statistical dead heat 2 weeks ago.
florida is a legit toss up, however those obama's numbers have leveled off there around 48% while mccain has been dropping for the past month from a high of 50% mid september to his current level around 45, with a downward trend i might add.
so yes, while i agree that there are some crucial toss ups still left in play, all the states you mention as states obama can lose are currently in his column by double the margin of error. These are statistically viable leads.
one last thing...
"If he loses Pennsylvania, which he can, it probably means hes lost Ohio and Florida too and McCain wins. If he loses Virginia McCain probably wins."
lets look at this realistically...
McCains camp right now is sitting at 142 electoral votes IF you include the states that are only LEANING McCains way.
If McCain wins Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida he would be at 210. That still leaves him 60 votes short of the presidency.
Where does he get thos 60 Electoral votes?
He would have to pull VA from obama (overcoming 6% in 3 days), NC, Indiana, Missouri, Georgia, Montana, and North Dakota.
In other words... even if McCain takes Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida (a very unlikely outcome in itself) he would then have to steal VA and win all the remaining toss up states to claim 270 electoral votes.
those are the real numbers... feel free to look for yourselves.
yeah of course they are all red states, many of which democrats have never even been close to winning.
North Carolina is a tossup!!??
Georgia??!!!
These are states that are ALWAYS solid red states, this is my point exactly. The fact that these are even running closely means this election can not be judged on the merits of past elections. These are states that Bush cleaned up in.
people are fucking stupid. let's wait in line for 10 hours for no reason. those are the type of people who should die to solve our population crisis. when they step into the booth, murder them. kill them for being stupid enough to waste that much of their time unnecessarily. what are they excited about? it's not like they give you two votes per person if you do it early. what the fuck. is there a certain door prize in certain places like a baseball game? do you get a free t-shirt to the first 1,000? i can understand if there is a free t-shirt involved. or maybe a free hot dog and diet cherry shasta. or what if they gave the first 5,000 voters a free blow job? that would be fantastic. but if its from the same person, that would suck. no pun intended. i would still have a HARD time waiting in line for 10 hours for a free blow job, though. i can wait like two hrs. at a bar and get one for about 4.75. and what if they didn't tell you the cut off point in the line for b.j.s? the 5,001st person would be pissed. i guess they've got to give out complimentary h.j.'s to the disgruntled voters. standing in line for 10 hrs. fucking dumb.
I am having a difficult time understanding a 10hr wait too. What blows my mind even more is what if they didn't have early voting? Or what is going to happen in the states that don't have early voting!
^ Look I campaigned in NH, I saw what happened in Ohio and Texas, and numerous other states that could have put Hillary away long before June. In many many states Obama lost close to 10 points in the 2 days before the election. In fact during the primary I basically learned to give Hillary any state that Obama wasnt up by 5 points in. Frankly it would be a miracle if he won any of the latter states you listed. I have very little confidence he will win Nevada, and a bad Nov 2nd and 3rd could put Colorado in jeopardy as well. So now were looking at Virginia, Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania, all trending McCain for almost a week. If McCain wins Florida, Ohio and Nevada, which I think is frankly more than likely, then all McCain needs is to steal Virgina and Colorado or pull an upset in Penn. The republican base in Penn isnt sleeping. It absolutely can happen.
Blackharp. Look dude, most of the places that are having these incredible long lines are in heavily african american communities. You may have given up on being a functioning, intellectually relevant member of society, but those people are voting for a reason. I dont know if youve seen the lines on CNN, but I have to tell you that image, in Georgia and Florida, the passion people of all races are showing for this election brings me near to tears. Win or lose this is a powerful moment in American history.
Youre nuts man. If Obama wins it by more than 5 points I'll eat my hat. People need to listen more to Rachel Maddow and Ed Rendell.
And another one to give you bad dreams this weekend: McCain is going to New Hampshire on Sunday night, where were up by less than we were days before the primary. What if we slip in VA and he pulls a Hillary in NH?
Look Im not saying its going to happen, maybe we lock up 400 electoral votes and the republican party implodes on itself the next day, and hooray for that should it be. Im just saying for the last week weve been losing ground in the worst possible places, and the the chance of losing is very real, and people should have no illusions whatsoever this thing is over.
no, oe, trust me on this...I was asolutely sure the Phils were going to win the WS, and I'm sure Obama is taking PA...I don't care if it's by 5 points or by 1point, he's winning the state, you'll see (my tingly sense does not extend to any of the other close states, however).
^But! Thats what I mean! There are all these warm fuzzies floating around and youre organizationally topped out and still youve been trending McCain for 2 weeks! Thats exactly what happened to us in NH, all the volunteers decided we had it locked up on Saturday got drunk slacked off and slept in and by tuesday we went from up 10 to down five!
If anyone needs me I'll be under my desk in the fetal position until wednesday.
Don't get me wrong, I'm optimistic that Obama will win, he is doing well in the polls, but I don't take anything for granted. I've already voted, and I'll keep working to get out the vote until the end, but win or lose, I'm proud of the campaign. I'm proud of how it's been run, and I think there are things that scare me more than losing.
I'll tell you what's worse than losing: the kind of divisiveness and fear and hate that some in the McCain campaign have been promoting. The smear rumors are what scare me, it's the way that the McCain campaign has played to the worst elements in people in order to scare up some votes.
If Obama/Biden loses, they've run an amazing campaign, they've invigorated a whole generation of new voters in this country, and given people hope in something. I know the whole hope thing has been beaten to death, and maybe it's overkill, but I contributed to this campaign, and losing an election can't take that away from me, or the thousands of other voters who have gotten involved in something bigger than themselves.
I know that sounds cheesey, but what's inspired me about this election is the restored sense of purpose and the shared values and principles that so many people in this campaign have stood up for. Losing would be disappointing. It could be crushing... But what would be even more of a blow is giving into the dirty politics, the smear campaigns.
That would be even more crushing than losing. You can lose a battle and live to fight another day, but give up on your ideals, give up on progress, and then what's the point? Democracy is not about a single election, it's an ongoing process to do better, and I think that's something that's been at the heart of this campaign since the beginning and this historic campaign and historic election have me hopeful for our country's future. The young people who have gotten involved and who are so idealistic are the future, they're ultimately the ones who will carry our economy and be the leaders in the future.
Best of luck to the Obama/Biden campaign, but win or lose, they've already brought about change. Let's hope that we can do more. I hope that after this election is over, democrats and republicans can come together to do better for this country.
To answer your question, I was referring to your earlier sort of casual disregard for the value of human life or making any effort whatsoever to make the world a better place. I suspect theres a kind of monumentally unobservant quality to your thinking here, but if you really think theres a rational justification for your apathy Id love to hear it.
blackharp: "how can you be proud of something you didn't accomplish?"
don't get me wrong, i want obama/biden to win this election, and i'm optimistic that they will. i think it is the best direction for this country, i've worked for the campaign, i've donated to this campaign, i'm invested in this campaign.
but my point is "accomplish" is a verb. you never reach the moment of being "accomplished". it's not a trophy, it's an idea of progress, and it's bigger than the individual, it's about the whole. isn't that what this campaign has always been about? "change we can believe in". Take the "we can believe in" part out, and what's the point? The shared ideal is important, it's the reason the campaign has gotten where it has.
i think that's always been part of the campaign's message and it's the reason that it has come so far, because it resonates with people... it's the idea that this is bigger than a single election, and bigger than our own personal interests, its about the progress for our country as a whole: our economy, our foreign relations, the war, our shared energy crisis, healthcare, education, etc.
But i think politics is an ongoing drive for change... even after we win, the hard work is only about start. the idea is that you will work together to make things better.
i'm proud of who we are, proud of our country, where we've gone with a different kind of politics.
i really hope that we win, but in fact winning is not enough. i think real progress requires the ongoing hard work, the stuff that is not glamorous, not always media worthy, but which is doing something, and contributing to something larger than yourself, it requires unity, not just within the party, but between americans of every party or affiliated with no party.
i might vigorously disagree with right wing repulicans, but i don't hate them. you can't really win and leave half the country behind. sometimes i might think they are crazy, and i do hate the divisive politics and some of the politics that incites hate and fear, but this is not ultimately a partisan battle, it's about progress. i think the majority of people in this country are good and decent, regardless of their political views, and we need to win, but more than that we need a change in politics.
"I suspect theres a kind of monumentally unobservant quality to your thinking here" "^ *Rolls eyes.*" "You may have given up on being a functioning, intellectually relevant member of society"
You've done it again. Your sarcastic attitude and shallow assumptions are really becoming annoying to me. When I asked you "when did I ever mention giving up on anything?," it was rhetorical. You implied that my reaction to standing in line for 10 hours had some sort of relationship to my role in society by making some wild claims about my intellect. I did not once in my post say anything about me personally not voting, but instead made a random tangent about waiting in line for early voting. You said "but those people are voting for a reason." Reason being in italics, you've made the implication that I am not voting. If part of your definition of a functioning person in society is saying you must vote, and I am guessing that is the part you were referring to, then your analogy and claims about me being a relevant member of society has no foundation, and therefore is not linear, makes no sense, and is a stupid statement. Gladly would I unfold in calm degrees a natural history of the intellect, but what man has yet been able to mark the steps and boundaries of that transparent essence?
"To answer your question, I was referring to your earlier sort of casual disregard for the value of human life or making any effort whatsoever to make the world a better place." WHEN DID I EVER DISREGARD THE VALUE OF HUMAN LIFE? I suppose if i didn't value human life, I wouldn't be wasting my time here, isn't it? Value human life. Give me a fucking break, dude. Who are you to say I have not made an effort to make the world a better place? Do I know you? Where the fuck did you come up with this outlandish claim, and how does it relate to anything I said, in jest, about voting lines?? Furthermore, Fuck You. There's my justification for your hallucinated image of apathy. You want me to justify some sort of apathy that you believe I have? You throw these words around, but the problem is you don't know how to use them.
You made some rather unwarranted claims on subjects that I really care about. I apologize for being brusque, but you really angered me on that last one.
bRink: That's what I was hoping you'd say. That's cool you helped on the election. I agree with you on "Accomplished." Actually, I don't believe anyone ever becomes accomplished because like you said, it is a process and an infinite road of learning. My question was about the word accomplish as a verb, as in doing or working in or for what you were being proud of. I asked because it really bothers when people say they are proud of certain things, such as being an "American," when they did nothing to create or shape America but have had the chance of circumstance to be born into it. I think you should be proud of the campaign if you helped out, because that shows some sort of greatness to positively, or at least in good faith, be a part of the world. Change is a good thing, also. I think that if humans stop changing, then they begin to die because there would be no where else to go.
^ Im referring to your general attitude in other threads, cos. Every time you come in here you seem to show some new casual antipathy for things that are glaringly significant, like voting, or solving global warming, or communities for the first time in history showing real passion to change their world.
Well, you definitely got me there. I have a dark sense of humor and enjoy chaos from time to time. I think my next post will deal with global warming, voting, and communities in a serious way.
what is the point of mc cain or palin appearing on a "liberal" program such as saturday night live which presumably opposes the republican's entire agenda? the appearance by mc cain just seemed so pathetic and desperate... obama in a landslide.
I heard or read recently that this is the time in the campaign where no new dramatic develpments are going to appear, so people have too much time for fear and panic. Hey, Eli, did you even read the first paragraph of that web page?
Polls conducted since our update last evening suggest some tightening toward John McCain, but he sits well behind both nationwide and in many key battleground states and remains a long-shot to win the election.
A LONG-SHOT TO WIN THE ELECTION...jeez, will some of you people relax.
VOTE OBAMA
obamacast? are you fucking kidding me?
Also...
did you guys see Obama's campaign's call to take the day off? I am considering doing it although I may not be able to, plus in my hood it may not be necessary (although I guess I could always make calls).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UFzkO5OhKY&e
These last weeks remind me of the battle in Helm's deep, fox news, drudge, etc... are the orks attacking and attacking. A record turnout (and those who help turn out the voters) would be like Gandalf appearing in the horizon towards the end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK2W5AMe9vY
lord of the rings metaphors, I am obviously exhausted.
free lighten up, some bloggers are calling it that as a joke, I seem to remember you and your right wing troll buddies coming up with all types of Obama words a couple of months ago.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/The_Obamacast.html
i'd like to give major props to the dean of the arch. school @ UVA, karen van langen, for having the foresight to make voting easier for her students. unlike the ultra conservative econ d-bag, ken elzinga, who's intro to econ class could easily sway an election in albermarle county.
A really well written and thorough argument
If you change your mind, I'm the first in line
Honey I´m still free
Take a chance on me
If you need me, let me know, gonna be around
If you got no place to go when you're feeling down
If you're all alone when the pretty birds have flown
Honey I'm still free
Take a chance on me
Gonna do my very best and it ain't no lie
If you put me to the test, if you let me try
Take a chance on me
(That's all I ask of you honey)
Take a chance on me
Free! I thought you were one of the good guys now?! What happened??
How come this election has me going from thrilled optimism to pessimism within just a few hours? Now I have surreal dreams of a post-apocalyptic world where the U.S. is not even close to a super-power and ran by Sarah Palin and her douchy snowmobiler of a husband.
So did anyone else watch the Obamercial?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtREqAmLsoA
I am certainly not the demographic for this, but I thought we would be seeing a hell of a lot of more white people. We saw a vision of America, white, hispanic, black, etc... that moved me. Cerebrally you would think that he would suck up to joe-six packs as much as possible, but it didnt seem that way. Also, direct and to the point.
I thought the live feed to FL seemed a little weird, but have read people thought it showed how on point the whole campaign was, no fuck ups at all.
John McCain still looks like he cannot come back, but Obama is (quite frankly) still black. That means that we have to hope for the best and prepare for the worst (VOLUNTEER, make calls, etc...).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xnk9aqih8o&feature=channel
This is the election that will never die.
Eli - why focus on race? you're bumming my stone with your expectation that obama would 'suck up' to voters by showing a lot of 'white people' in his infobamamercial.
and you're pessimistic because obama is .. still black? come on, man. we don't need non-racists talking like racists, but i fear that is the thing that 'will never die'.
and what? no asians in this 'vision of america'
*mad* (and a little sarcastic, forgive me)
people people... relax...
look at the state and county polls... just do your part, make sure to vote, and it will work out just fine.
sheesh... and did anyone read the Economist? it got burried on the last page by some sort vadoesque song about obama by FRaC!
yes! the title is: America should take a chance and make Barack Obama the next leader of the free world
instantly that damn ABBA song starts a-playin'!
and obama's going to win this in a landslide, 300+ electoral votes
i read the economists' endorsement and recommend it highly.. it makes some great points.
i put my absentee ballot in the mailbox yesterday!
free, I am just very frustrated. If Obama was Bill Johnson in a year with these type of numbers for Democrats he would be up at least 15. The only reason that he isn't, imho, is race. The reason he may still lose Pennsylvania; race. The reason he may lose Ohio; race.
I hate to say it because it truly hurts my heart, but I think Obama can still lose this due to race. One man's opinion, but no one ever said that electing the first non-white man would be easy.
Finally, free, are you in the O camp now?
to show you my pessimism, this is my projection:
Obama: 270
McCain: 268
Obama Loses FL, OH, MO, and PA but picks up VA, NV, CO, NM, and IA
I do think this is going to tighten that much
blow out.
the only reason why we are still talking about this is the national media will do just about anything to make it appear close enough to some how keep our wandering attention off of reality television, surfing for porn, and counting the days till sunday to see how our fantasy football teams fare.
there's no such thing as a vadoesque song. there's a vado song and then theres a non vado song. records are being broken here for early voting and i have to think most of the votes are being cast for barack.
It is closer than you think, its actually tightened up alot just this week, which is why probably a lot of the hardcore obamistas are chewing their nails while all of their casual liberal friends are sitting back with their coolatas. Ive been all over these polls for a year now, Ive seen Barack lose 10 points in 2 days. He absolutely can lose this election. If he loses Pennsylvania, which he can, it probably means hes lost Ohio and Florida too and McCain wins. If he loses Virginia McCain probably wins. So seriously people need to wake the fuck up. We arent just blowing horns to create some vague get out the vote stir. Shit is legitimately scary right now.
The campaign is seriously making me wonder. This is an email I got this morning,
"I'm the Chief Financial Officer for Barack Obama's campaign. I track the donations coming in and the expenses going out.
I asked for the opportunity to write to you directly so that I could try to explain what's happening right now.
This organization has thousands of employees and spends millions of dollars a day -- and at the moment we're doing it without a safety net.
Our spending plans have been stretched by John McCain's negative attacks and the overwhelming resources of the Republican National Committee.
As of October 15th, John McCain and the RNC together had nearly $20 million more in cash than the combined total of Obama for America and the DNC. And just this week, we're facing new and unexpected spending against us in Montana and West Virginia.
Your incredible generosity has gotten us this far. But right now we need your help more than ever to get this campaign across the finish line.
Please donate $25 or whatever you can afford right now:
https://donate.barackobama.com/RNCadvantage
My team and I are working to stretch every dollar in order to keep as many paths to victory open as possible. But we need whatever help you can provide for this crucial final stretch.
Thank you,
MM
Marianne Markowitz
Chief Financial Officer
Obama for America
OE
i agree that there is no room for complacency and its absolutely imperative that obama supporters dont get overly confident but you have to moderate your anxiety a bit...
obama is still up 6% in Ohio (rcp average, which in my oppinion is the best possible polling method) and has been for a month, it has barely moved.
obama is up 9% in Pen. That number has come down moderately, but a quick look at all the polls shows they have come down perhaps 3 points in the last month, no precipitous drop there either.
VA - obama up 6%, down approx 1% over the past week but in a state where it was a statistical dead heat 2 weeks ago.
florida is a legit toss up, however those obama's numbers have leveled off there around 48% while mccain has been dropping for the past month from a high of 50% mid september to his current level around 45, with a downward trend i might add.
so yes, while i agree that there are some crucial toss ups still left in play, all the states you mention as states obama can lose are currently in his column by double the margin of error. These are statistically viable leads.
one last thing...
"If he loses Pennsylvania, which he can, it probably means hes lost Ohio and Florida too and McCain wins. If he loses Virginia McCain probably wins."
lets look at this realistically...
McCains camp right now is sitting at 142 electoral votes IF you include the states that are only LEANING McCains way.
If McCain wins Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida he would be at 210. That still leaves him 60 votes short of the presidency.
Where does he get thos 60 Electoral votes?
He would have to pull VA from obama (overcoming 6% in 3 days), NC, Indiana, Missouri, Georgia, Montana, and North Dakota.
In other words... even if McCain takes Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida (a very unlikely outcome in itself) he would then have to steal VA and win all the remaining toss up states to claim 270 electoral votes.
those are the real numbers... feel free to look for yourselves.
Current Electoral Map
EVERYONES GOTTA VOTE!
"He would have to pull VA from obama (overcoming 6% in 3 days), NC, Indiana, Missouri, Georgia, Montana, and North Dakota."
Aren't all those historically red states? I seriously don't think anything is even close to being guaranteed despite the polls.
yeah of course they are all red states, many of which democrats have never even been close to winning.
North Carolina is a tossup!!??
Georgia??!!!
These are states that are ALWAYS solid red states, this is my point exactly. The fact that these are even running closely means this election can not be judged on the merits of past elections. These are states that Bush cleaned up in.
every conservative republican i know is voting for Obama.
LIG - exactly!
y'all are crazy to think obama is going to lose this! this is going to be like clinton vs bush in '92 (370-168 electoral)
check out 1984 oh man, now that's a landslide!
people are fucking stupid. let's wait in line for 10 hours for no reason. those are the type of people who should die to solve our population crisis. when they step into the booth, murder them. kill them for being stupid enough to waste that much of their time unnecessarily. what are they excited about? it's not like they give you two votes per person if you do it early. what the fuck. is there a certain door prize in certain places like a baseball game? do you get a free t-shirt to the first 1,000? i can understand if there is a free t-shirt involved. or maybe a free hot dog and diet cherry shasta. or what if they gave the first 5,000 voters a free blow job? that would be fantastic. but if its from the same person, that would suck. no pun intended. i would still have a HARD time waiting in line for 10 hours for a free blow job, though. i can wait like two hrs. at a bar and get one for about 4.75. and what if they didn't tell you the cut off point in the line for b.j.s? the 5,001st person would be pissed. i guess they've got to give out complimentary h.j.'s to the disgruntled voters. standing in line for 10 hrs. fucking dumb.
I am having a difficult time understanding a 10hr wait too. What blows my mind even more is what if they didn't have early voting? Or what is going to happen in the states that don't have early voting!
aking... yeah thats exactly what im wondering too...
clearly the voting system needs a major retool
clearly the world needs a major retool
profound...
im voting for blackharp... screw this obama character
For anyone with election anxiety, take it out on the VOTING BOOTH:
http://www.archinect.com/schoolblog/entry.php?id=82165_0_39_0_C
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^ Look I campaigned in NH, I saw what happened in Ohio and Texas, and numerous other states that could have put Hillary away long before June. In many many states Obama lost close to 10 points in the 2 days before the election. In fact during the primary I basically learned to give Hillary any state that Obama wasnt up by 5 points in. Frankly it would be a miracle if he won any of the latter states you listed. I have very little confidence he will win Nevada, and a bad Nov 2nd and 3rd could put Colorado in jeopardy as well. So now were looking at Virginia, Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania, all trending McCain for almost a week. If McCain wins Florida, Ohio and Nevada, which I think is frankly more than likely, then all McCain needs is to steal Virgina and Colorado or pull an upset in Penn. The republican base in Penn isnt sleeping. It absolutely can happen.
Blackharp. Look dude, most of the places that are having these incredible long lines are in heavily african american communities. You may have given up on being a functioning, intellectually relevant member of society, but those people are voting for a reason. I dont know if youve seen the lines on CNN, but I have to tell you that image, in Georgia and Florida, the passion people of all races are showing for this election brings me near to tears. Win or lose this is a powerful moment in American history.
no way Obama loses Pennsylvania....or, to paraphrase Chase Utley, NO FUCKING WAY.
Youre nuts man. If Obama wins it by more than 5 points I'll eat my hat. People need to listen more to Rachel Maddow and Ed Rendell.
And another one to give you bad dreams this weekend: McCain is going to New Hampshire on Sunday night, where were up by less than we were days before the primary. What if we slip in VA and he pulls a Hillary in NH?
Look Im not saying its going to happen, maybe we lock up 400 electoral votes and the republican party implodes on itself the next day, and hooray for that should it be. Im just saying for the last week weve been losing ground in the worst possible places, and the the chance of losing is very real, and people should have no illusions whatsoever this thing is over.
no, oe, trust me on this...I was asolutely sure the Phils were going to win the WS, and I'm sure Obama is taking PA...I don't care if it's by 5 points or by 1point, he's winning the state, you'll see (my tingly sense does not extend to any of the other close states, however).
oe, when did I ever mention giving up on anything? you're ridiculous
^But! Thats what I mean! There are all these warm fuzzies floating around and youre organizationally topped out and still youve been trending McCain for 2 weeks! Thats exactly what happened to us in NH, all the volunteers decided we had it locked up on Saturday got drunk slacked off and slept in and by tuesday we went from up 10 to down five!
If anyone needs me I'll be under my desk in the fetal position until wednesday.
There are worse things than losing the election.
Don't get me wrong, I'm optimistic that Obama will win, he is doing well in the polls, but I don't take anything for granted. I've already voted, and I'll keep working to get out the vote until the end, but win or lose, I'm proud of the campaign. I'm proud of how it's been run, and I think there are things that scare me more than losing.
I'll tell you what's worse than losing: the kind of divisiveness and fear and hate that some in the McCain campaign have been promoting. The smear rumors are what scare me, it's the way that the McCain campaign has played to the worst elements in people in order to scare up some votes.
If Obama/Biden loses, they've run an amazing campaign, they've invigorated a whole generation of new voters in this country, and given people hope in something. I know the whole hope thing has been beaten to death, and maybe it's overkill, but I contributed to this campaign, and losing an election can't take that away from me, or the thousands of other voters who have gotten involved in something bigger than themselves.
I know that sounds cheesey, but what's inspired me about this election is the restored sense of purpose and the shared values and principles that so many people in this campaign have stood up for. Losing would be disappointing. It could be crushing... But what would be even more of a blow is giving into the dirty politics, the smear campaigns.
That would be even more crushing than losing. You can lose a battle and live to fight another day, but give up on your ideals, give up on progress, and then what's the point? Democracy is not about a single election, it's an ongoing process to do better, and I think that's something that's been at the heart of this campaign since the beginning and this historic campaign and historic election have me hopeful for our country's future. The young people who have gotten involved and who are so idealistic are the future, they're ultimately the ones who will carry our economy and be the leaders in the future.
Best of luck to the Obama/Biden campaign, but win or lose, they've already brought about change. Let's hope that we can do more. I hope that after this election is over, democrats and republicans can come together to do better for this country.
how can you be proud of something you didn't accomplish?
^ *Rolls eyes.*
To answer your question, I was referring to your earlier sort of casual disregard for the value of human life or making any effort whatsoever to make the world a better place. I suspect theres a kind of monumentally unobservant quality to your thinking here, but if you really think theres a rational justification for your apathy Id love to hear it.
blackharp: "how can you be proud of something you didn't accomplish?"
don't get me wrong, i want obama/biden to win this election, and i'm optimistic that they will. i think it is the best direction for this country, i've worked for the campaign, i've donated to this campaign, i'm invested in this campaign.
but my point is "accomplish" is a verb. you never reach the moment of being "accomplished". it's not a trophy, it's an idea of progress, and it's bigger than the individual, it's about the whole. isn't that what this campaign has always been about? "change we can believe in". Take the "we can believe in" part out, and what's the point? The shared ideal is important, it's the reason the campaign has gotten where it has.
i think that's always been part of the campaign's message and it's the reason that it has come so far, because it resonates with people... it's the idea that this is bigger than a single election, and bigger than our own personal interests, its about the progress for our country as a whole: our economy, our foreign relations, the war, our shared energy crisis, healthcare, education, etc.
But i think politics is an ongoing drive for change... even after we win, the hard work is only about start. the idea is that you will work together to make things better.
i'm proud of who we are, proud of our country, where we've gone with a different kind of politics.
i really hope that we win, but in fact winning is not enough. i think real progress requires the ongoing hard work, the stuff that is not glamorous, not always media worthy, but which is doing something, and contributing to something larger than yourself, it requires unity, not just within the party, but between americans of every party or affiliated with no party.
i might vigorously disagree with right wing repulicans, but i don't hate them. you can't really win and leave half the country behind. sometimes i might think they are crazy, and i do hate the divisive politics and some of the politics that incites hate and fear, but this is not ultimately a partisan battle, it's about progress. i think the majority of people in this country are good and decent, regardless of their political views, and we need to win, but more than that we need a change in politics.
"I suspect theres a kind of monumentally unobservant quality to your thinking here" "^ *Rolls eyes.*" "You may have given up on being a functioning, intellectually relevant member of society"
You've done it again. Your sarcastic attitude and shallow assumptions are really becoming annoying to me. When I asked you "when did I ever mention giving up on anything?," it was rhetorical. You implied that my reaction to standing in line for 10 hours had some sort of relationship to my role in society by making some wild claims about my intellect. I did not once in my post say anything about me personally not voting, but instead made a random tangent about waiting in line for early voting. You said "but those people are voting for a reason." Reason being in italics, you've made the implication that I am not voting. If part of your definition of a functioning person in society is saying you must vote, and I am guessing that is the part you were referring to, then your analogy and claims about me being a relevant member of society has no foundation, and therefore is not linear, makes no sense, and is a stupid statement. Gladly would I unfold in calm degrees a natural history of the intellect, but what man has yet been able to mark the steps and boundaries of that transparent essence?
"To answer your question, I was referring to your earlier sort of casual disregard for the value of human life or making any effort whatsoever to make the world a better place." WHEN DID I EVER DISREGARD THE VALUE OF HUMAN LIFE? I suppose if i didn't value human life, I wouldn't be wasting my time here, isn't it? Value human life. Give me a fucking break, dude. Who are you to say I have not made an effort to make the world a better place? Do I know you? Where the fuck did you come up with this outlandish claim, and how does it relate to anything I said, in jest, about voting lines?? Furthermore, Fuck You. There's my justification for your hallucinated image of apathy. You want me to justify some sort of apathy that you believe I have? You throw these words around, but the problem is you don't know how to use them.
You made some rather unwarranted claims on subjects that I really care about. I apologize for being brusque, but you really angered me on that last one.
bRink: That's what I was hoping you'd say. That's cool you helped on the election. I agree with you on "Accomplished." Actually, I don't believe anyone ever becomes accomplished because like you said, it is a process and an infinite road of learning. My question was about the word accomplish as a verb, as in doing or working in or for what you were being proud of. I asked because it really bothers when people say they are proud of certain things, such as being an "American," when they did nothing to create or shape America but have had the chance of circumstance to be born into it. I think you should be proud of the campaign if you helped out, because that shows some sort of greatness to positively, or at least in good faith, be a part of the world. Change is a good thing, also. I think that if humans stop changing, then they begin to die because there would be no where else to go.
^ Im referring to your general attitude in other threads, cos. Every time you come in here you seem to show some new casual antipathy for things that are glaringly significant, like voting, or solving global warming, or communities for the first time in history showing real passion to change their world.
Well, you definitely got me there. I have a dark sense of humor and enjoy chaos from time to time. I think my next post will deal with global warming, voting, and communities in a serious way.
"I have a dark sense of humor and enjoy chaos from time to time."
Ahh, no worries then. I guess Im stressed out and being a condescending prick ;)
what is the point of mc cain or palin appearing on a "liberal" program such as saturday night live which presumably opposes the republican's entire agenda? the appearance by mc cain just seemed so pathetic and desperate... obama in a landslide.
I hope that people are beginning to get worried, the race is really tightening:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/todays-polls-112-afternoon-edition.html
VA, FL, NV, NM, CO, OH, and PA now look to be within the margin of error and McCain has the momentum. I expect most undecided voters will go for him.
I heard or read recently that this is the time in the campaign where no new dramatic develpments are going to appear, so people have too much time for fear and panic. Hey, Eli, did you even read the first paragraph of that web page?
Polls conducted since our update last evening suggest some tightening toward John McCain, but he sits well behind both nationwide and in many key battleground states and remains a long-shot to win the election.
A LONG-SHOT TO WIN THE ELECTION...jeez, will some of you people relax.
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