I think it shuld be moderated so no bright vision are ever to be shared.
No neat AutoCAD tricks, If a post deal with anything but Stararchitects, it instantly shuld be rejected --- why would we want freedom of speach when architecture are about building prisons, Think about it you must make a choice.
But dear ; you don't emagine that this make you forget asking, how it allready is. How much there allready are.
But sure, reject any post unless it keep architecture as it is, no one want it to change.
3DH and what sounds like self promotion and being convinced that everyone is copying his work. I really thought it was spamming at first. Actually spam is the only thing I think should be edited out.
But serious issues do seem to be drowned out. Like that poor [url=http://www.archinect.com/forum/threads.php?id=64646_0_42_50_C]probono[/ulr] thread. I'm not sure if people just don't have much experience with that sort of thing, or if it is just not interesting, or just not seeing it because of all the other threads that pop up. I want to contribute to that thread but I want to think about it for a while and find the right words for it. That is the problem with serious threads I think. People (myself included) want to contribute but it takes more effort, time, and it is much easier to just talk about baseball or bikes or a TV show.
metamechanic, that's not what moderation is for. It doesn't moderate content or opinion, just antisocial behaviour. Or at least that's the way it works on other forums I've been to. I think we could do with a small amount of that without turning into a fascist state. Disagreement should be promoted!
Moderation is not censorship, nor meddling. Moderators comment when they think a line has been crossed, and try to keep the place tidy. That's all. There would need to be a set of public guidelines as to what a moderator is allowed to do.
I actually find the forums useful.. and surprisingly on topic.. and I don't think they should be moderated. Perhaps one can have a particular section for featured moderated discussions of the type people want, perhaps even featuring guest critics/panelists. Hey.. why not have guest crits for our work? :) that'll be fun.. maybe. Ok, possibly rethink that idea...
in my opinion the forum should not be moderated, unless there are wholly offensive, threatening, or perhaps sexually explicit remarks happening. we don't have moderators in our offices, studios, and job sites to make sure everyone is talking about architecture in a "serious" fashion at all times. in fact i think most of the discussions to be had on archinect, whether "random" or not, are more or less a reflection of the banter i hear in the day to day environment in the office and in academia. no one is on point at all times. perhaps the discussions should be categorized by moderators, however. but if archinect wants to promote a certain self-image regarding the way it is perceived by those who read the forum, then perhaps it should be moderated. i don't think it makes any difference to ban anyone anyway, as they can simply create another account or log on from another ip address.
"banning Vado" is winning in the vote count! Funny.
Of course it shouldn't be moderated. It's already sectioned off in like, 9 different ways, and if people are so lazy that they can't use headings, that's not anyone's fault. Paul and those guys already have enough things going on besides having to worry about babysitting the threads. If you want a thread to go in a certain direction, then speak up, be forceful, and be persistent. But honestly, we can't lose our sense of humor here. We've already got enough problems in this profession to worry about....
I don't need any MORE people telling me what I can or can't say. Ultimately, if moderation (is that the right word?) happens, it'll be up to one person or a small group of people doing the moderating. So, no.
agfa8x, seems that archinect states in the poll that moderating means deleting off-topic comments. how else would you tidy it up? that's censorship to me.
gee, this is a gossip site as much as serious discussion about architecture.
Vado should have his own red dot thread, sort of "archinect poem central"?
and then Corell should host his "3dh central" in exchange of not invading other threads.
The Slashdot moderation system gives posts a point-value, and you can choose not to see the posts below a certain number of points. Might be difficult to implement here, though.
What about forum spam - should that be deleted, or is that censorship?
Or accidentally posting a thread twice? I've done that before.
Or if someone posts 'hello' twenty times on each of the top ten threads?
Again, I'm personally fine with moderating, or not moderating, but these seem like valid reasons to have moderators.
like agfa8x, i'm fine either way. Although, a friend of mine from college hardly comes on here anymore because things have degenerated. A little moderation doesn't hurt that much. If the random tangents category is still kept well, random than that should be fine.
Philarch brings up good point - serious professional discussions tend to get a little skewed by people who have nothing to add but sarcasm. In a discussion on fair housing criteria you get students declaring how they'll never deal with that stuff. This can derail threads where people actually learn things. Maybe theres not enough profesionals on the board. I like to participate in building technologies, thats my strength, but I love reading Steven Ward's advice/ explanations on contractual issues because I havent been involved in that area in my career yet. In fact I learn more from him thatn my own bosses on contractual pitfalls, strategies meanings etc. We should encourage more experianced practitioners to to be more vocal and the youngsters to learn a little self restraint - safe the sarcaastic quotes and self declarations for the threads where they belong, if you come accross a serious discussion taking place be respectful.
thanks, ep, but do i still get to make sarcastic comments?
i'm always glad if i can help - or give an unsolicited opinion - but i'm also here for my own entertainment and escape.
i can't say i really understand what the beef is, though i know that there are always those who will complain. there are old friends here, new friends, people who don't want to be friends but think the site can help them in some way. (maybe it can; maybe not.)
we probably do jump on the new folks too quickly. everyone forgets that there's kind of a learning curve in navigating any new place/site.
anyway, i have to go to work now so have fun everyone!
so if i understand this correctly, the moderators would be to control the people with 3000 posts because they already exhibit too much power within the forum?
and i'm not convinced that sarcastic remarks kill serious discussions threads. those usually one or line comments can be scrolled through pretty quickly when following a thread. more likely it's the serious discussion that tends to kill threads as at least the short, off-the-cuff responses keep the thread alive and on the first page.
Should the forum be moderated?
Archinect should introduce moderators to delete off-topic comments/posts and keep threads on topic.
1% (2 votes)
Archinect should leave the forum as it is currently
29% (63 votes)
Archinect should allow anything to be posted in the ''Random Tangents'' section but moderate elsewhe 7% (15 votes)
Archinect should ban Vado Retro 63% (136 votes)
Total Votes: 216
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i really see no problem at all.. i like diverse and clashing opinions. and i dont have problems with sarcastic remarks. i mean this is a very loose and informal platform of discussions.. i think the majority here are into a serious discussion, some want to display dry wit. but i have no problem with that. im guilty of enjoying light topics discussed here, in the end its up to us to pick which to read and discuss.
I don't see the point of this poll. It all started in a stupid forum topic, started by a no good newbie that was full of hate.
I don't mind this kind of thread existing, but I'm desappointed it's been taken seriously by the staf. And I don't understand why vado should be banned?I actually didn't really get the banning of Per Correl either, but maybe it's some sort of private joke between you guys....
It is a serious matter , be sure the real advanges, the true visions, will all be cencored if censorship exist, but it do already.
In essense I would apriciate censor what ever, as long as what I jettison I know is irelevant , don't bring a better option, carry no graphics to cover up fake claims, -- there are a lot to filter out I suppose, and I hope this is allready how things are.
True there are a call for social brotherhood, but if that, was a half pissed dirty joke, I rather like that to be pulled , jettisoned, enprisoned whatever, that way a fora as this would profit anybody , but how many visionary has then survived ? How efficient is this constant poison, poison that make your first impression of 3dh.
I would love the fora was controlled by a number of rules automatic so to say, but I guess there are no way around it, it would be impossible to run such fora without moderators and yes, this could be used positive. By allowing the issues new things allway's been about, then jettison the destructive personal attacks and clown questions.
Architecture as how you and me are entitled , today, with computers, shuld offer increadible options, if it don't, architecture failed to educate a couple of it's trend makers. Sure things has been cencored out of architecture before, but let's see ; what is it that call claims for banning 3dh , is it a better method, that 3dh is not more efficient, is it that it don't work or about some clown, who newer needed to understand anything anyway.
I think moderators are up in serious situation, if there is no point in focusing at the true issues , if discussion shuld be those of architecture ,but that is not my experience, I only experienced the personal attacks that came instead of relevant questions , this is no new thing in architecture. That the harsh attacks become more and more poison , well I hope you can understand, that these constant silli comments, become more and more dirty ; but please do not blame me, it would be irasionel.
damn it sounds like I'm in the minority again, but I must say with a few good people I don't mind going down with....Leave the Place Alone and what he Hell is this about VR? It it starting to look like a Republican Presidential Convention....fixed, fixed, fixed.
I'm not going to vote. I would not have even bothered to come to this thread at all if not for vado's being an option having been referenced on Thread Central. Why? Because I'm sick of talking ABOUT Archinect. I love Archinect, but I'm tired of feeling I need to defend it. I don't. None of us do. Archinect is what it is because the people here - here for 10,000 posts or here for 10 - make it what it is.
Several comments upthread are consistent with my thinking. The joy of the discussion forums is how free-flowing they are. if people don't like what they read they can either stick to the news/images/competitions portions of the site, or they can contribute more of what they want here in the forums - architecture-related threads (have any of the whiners visited the "name the architect and building" thread?! I've seen more interesting architecture there than I have from any other single source in the last year.), questions about professional practice, school commentary, whatever - or they can leave.
If you don't want to contribute, don't bitch when it's not going the way you want it to. It's like school: you get out of it what you put into it. Go ahead and be lazy if you want to, but no one who works hard is going to pay any attention to you.
As for moderation, hell no.
I'm not going to visit this thread again, so if anyone wants to comment directly to me about this post, email me. You'll see my name right in my profile, in part because I believe so strongly in this site that I put my real information up there.
WTF – thought I posted to this thread but its not appearing…I feel like I am in a time warp.
Anyway, I think we would loose the synergy on this discussion board if we moderate the posts – so no, absolutely no moderating!
…and banning Vado? HEY! I'm Vado's #1 groupie so he can only go if I say so. Besides everyone loves VR and I am expecting SNL to jump in any moment and do that "just kidding" skit!
Scumbags shuld be moderated. Usenet Trolls who enter the fora just to make it into a Cirkus where they laugh of you, after they made you harrass one single person. Posts that don't answer questions but go on strait to personal attacks or badly hidden insults, comments like "now he again destroy a tread" must be carefully read -- as you don't see the double agenda by someone acturly destroying the tread and blaming another one for doing it -- maybe you don't realise this advanced Troll technike that work perfect for spreading poison, --- but before you join the houling hounds and badly covered jeloux attacks towerds a single person, --- remember how this is what is poisining your mind towerds other artists ; if you think these one percent even when they crowd together shuld determine the political agenda and the power maneagement in this group, then maybe you shuld open your eyes for what hate campains and joy of harming a nice guy, that allready been going on here --- try real the "Hi all you fancy graphics lovers" tread and unless you start puke , after reading all those hate mails, realise what is destroying this tread ; two or tree usenet trolls who master their writing into nazi hate campains and find it funny every time they trap some new kid, into their dirty day's work.
Start ask them to contribuate or answer the questions, then open your eyes and realise what they has been doing to this fora, -- there you find the reson no one want to contribuate with brilliant new idears, as they know what happened to a nice guy as Per Corell, so why contribuate.
Oh and btw --- It is not me who find joy in harassing a nice guy, or spread poison against some guy and his work m and I would look closer when someone brag about not understanding what he critic. Remember who spread the poison, try read a few treads and ask why these saur old trolls who find joy in harming others to that extend, that they forget contribuating any architcture, except ofcaurse oppinions anyoe could have.
There are many perverts, and the most dangouras are those who pick on someone to teach you how to be a nazi --- who "allow" you to harras some nice guy whom they newer answer when he try defend himself, while this long ago turned into only personal attacks. Two or tree dirty minds obsessed with spreading poison .
This is the real danger for this fora and maybe it is to late now no one want to contribuate .
Should the Archinect forum be moderated?
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I like how the order rotates so i can't keep my mouse clicking on ban vado. =)
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no
I know, i wanna have a vote on "Biggest Troll"
I'm actually kind of in favor of moderating forums outside of "random tangents"
How many times can we vote?
I think it shuld be moderated so no bright vision are ever to be shared.
No neat AutoCAD tricks, If a post deal with anything but Stararchitects, it instantly shuld be rejected --- why would we want freedom of speach when architecture are about building prisons, Think about it you must make a choice.
But dear ; you don't emagine that this make you forget asking, how it allready is. How much there allready are.
But sure, reject any post unless it keep architecture as it is, no one want it to change.
Funny you bring Per up meta... Per is one of the only problems I have with this site and it actually has little to do with the coherence of his posts.
Is it because every one of his posts reverts to 3-DH?
that would make it bad i feel like a few other unnamed forums on CAD and or Architecture
I think Random Tangents is fine for pretty much anything. For the rest, I think they should be moderated with a light touch.
3DH and what sounds like self promotion and being convinced that everyone is copying his work. I really thought it was spamming at first. Actually spam is the only thing I think should be edited out.
no, archinect.com/forum should not be moderated.
it's greatest value is that it's the only place where anyone can catch a glimpse of the collective noise of a large cross section of people.
there is already abundant opportunities for the serious discussion here and elsewhere
I think leave it as it is..
If people dont like where some of the topics are going then get out and move on.
But serious issues do seem to be drowned out. Like that poor [url=http://www.archinect.com/forum/threads.php?id=64646_0_42_50_C]probono[/ulr] thread. I'm not sure if people just don't have much experience with that sort of thing, or if it is just not interesting, or just not seeing it because of all the other threads that pop up. I want to contribute to that thread but I want to think about it for a while and find the right words for it. That is the problem with serious threads I think. People (myself included) want to contribute but it takes more effort, time, and it is much easier to just talk about baseball or bikes or a TV show.
I keep getting this thread and the cancer one confused. I actually thought my earlier comments ahd already been edited out.
metamechanic, that's not what moderation is for. It doesn't moderate content or opinion, just antisocial behaviour. Or at least that's the way it works on other forums I've been to. I think we could do with a small amount of that without turning into a fascist state. Disagreement should be promoted!
Moderation is not censorship, nor meddling. Moderators comment when they think a line has been crossed, and try to keep the place tidy. That's all. There would need to be a set of public guidelines as to what a moderator is allowed to do.
I actually find the forums useful.. and surprisingly on topic.. and I don't think they should be moderated. Perhaps one can have a particular section for featured moderated discussions of the type people want, perhaps even featuring guest critics/panelists. Hey.. why not have guest crits for our work? :) that'll be fun.. maybe. Ok, possibly rethink that idea...
in my opinion the forum should not be moderated, unless there are wholly offensive, threatening, or perhaps sexually explicit remarks happening. we don't have moderators in our offices, studios, and job sites to make sure everyone is talking about architecture in a "serious" fashion at all times. in fact i think most of the discussions to be had on archinect, whether "random" or not, are more or less a reflection of the banter i hear in the day to day environment in the office and in academia. no one is on point at all times. perhaps the discussions should be categorized by moderators, however. but if archinect wants to promote a certain self-image regarding the way it is perceived by those who read the forum, then perhaps it should be moderated. i don't think it makes any difference to ban anyone anyway, as they can simply create another account or log on from another ip address.
"banning Vado" is winning in the vote count! Funny.
Of course it shouldn't be moderated. It's already sectioned off in like, 9 different ways, and if people are so lazy that they can't use headings, that's not anyone's fault. Paul and those guys already have enough things going on besides having to worry about babysitting the threads. If you want a thread to go in a certain direction, then speak up, be forceful, and be persistent. But honestly, we can't lose our sense of humor here. We've already got enough problems in this profession to worry about....
I don't need any MORE people telling me what I can or can't say. Ultimately, if moderation (is that the right word?) happens, it'll be up to one person or a small group of people doing the moderating. So, no.
Who polices the police?
Moderation is not policing. Slashdot is an example of a site with a great moderation system.
To be perfectly honest I'm easy either way. I just think its worth talking about moderating without freaking out about censorship.
I do think there should be temporary bans though.
agfa8x, seems that archinect states in the poll that moderating means deleting off-topic comments. how else would you tidy it up? that's censorship to me.
gee, this is a gossip site as much as serious discussion about architecture.
Vado should have his own red dot thread, sort of "archinect poem central"?
and then Corell should host his "3dh central" in exchange of not invading other threads.
The Slashdot moderation system gives posts a point-value, and you can choose not to see the posts below a certain number of points. Might be difficult to implement here, though.
What about forum spam - should that be deleted, or is that censorship?
Or accidentally posting a thread twice? I've done that before.
Or if someone posts 'hello' twenty times on each of the top ten threads?
Again, I'm personally fine with moderating, or not moderating, but these seem like valid reasons to have moderators.
like agfa8x, i'm fine either way. Although, a friend of mine from college hardly comes on here anymore because things have degenerated. A little moderation doesn't hurt that much. If the random tangents category is still kept well, random than that should be fine.
moderating would take too long. it would make discussions take too long if some moderator has to approve each and every post.
Philarch brings up good point - serious professional discussions tend to get a little skewed by people who have nothing to add but sarcasm. In a discussion on fair housing criteria you get students declaring how they'll never deal with that stuff. This can derail threads where people actually learn things. Maybe theres not enough profesionals on the board. I like to participate in building technologies, thats my strength, but I love reading Steven Ward's advice/ explanations on contractual issues because I havent been involved in that area in my career yet. In fact I learn more from him thatn my own bosses on contractual pitfalls, strategies meanings etc. We should encourage more experianced practitioners to to be more vocal and the youngsters to learn a little self restraint - safe the sarcaastic quotes and self declarations for the threads where they belong, if you come accross a serious discussion taking place be respectful.
thanks, ep, but do i still get to make sarcastic comments?
i'm always glad if i can help - or give an unsolicited opinion - but i'm also here for my own entertainment and escape.
i can't say i really understand what the beef is, though i know that there are always those who will complain. there are old friends here, new friends, people who don't want to be friends but think the site can help them in some way. (maybe it can; maybe not.)
we probably do jump on the new folks too quickly. everyone forgets that there's kind of a learning curve in navigating any new place/site.
anyway, i have to go to work now so have fun everyone!
this is a good place.
oh, and, re: moderators.
hell no!
so if i understand this correctly, the moderators would be to control the people with 3000 posts because they already exhibit too much power within the forum?
and i'm not convinced that sarcastic remarks kill serious discussions threads. those usually one or line comments can be scrolled through pretty quickly when following a thread. more likely it's the serious discussion that tends to kill threads as at least the short, off-the-cuff responses keep the thread alive and on the first page.
Should the forum be moderated?
Archinect should introduce moderators to delete off-topic comments/posts and keep threads on topic.
1% (2 votes)
Archinect should leave the forum as it is currently
29% (63 votes)
Archinect should allow anything to be posted in the ''Random Tangents'' section but moderate elsewhe 7% (15 votes)
Archinect should ban Vado Retro 63% (136 votes)
Total Votes: 216
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i really see no problem at all.. i like diverse and clashing opinions. and i dont have problems with sarcastic remarks. i mean this is a very loose and informal platform of discussions.. i think the majority here are into a serious discussion, some want to display dry wit. but i have no problem with that. im guilty of enjoying light topics discussed here, in the end its up to us to pick which to read and discuss.
I don't see the point of this poll. It all started in a stupid forum topic, started by a no good newbie that was full of hate.
I don't mind this kind of thread existing, but I'm desappointed it's been taken seriously by the staf. And I don't understand why vado should be banned?I actually didn't really get the banning of Per Correl either, but maybe it's some sort of private joke between you guys....
It is a serious matter , be sure the real advanges, the true visions, will all be cencored if censorship exist, but it do already.
In essense I would apriciate censor what ever, as long as what I jettison I know is irelevant , don't bring a better option, carry no graphics to cover up fake claims, -- there are a lot to filter out I suppose, and I hope this is allready how things are.
True there are a call for social brotherhood, but if that, was a half pissed dirty joke, I rather like that to be pulled , jettisoned, enprisoned whatever, that way a fora as this would profit anybody , but how many visionary has then survived ? How efficient is this constant poison, poison that make your first impression of 3dh.
I would love the fora was controlled by a number of rules automatic so to say, but I guess there are no way around it, it would be impossible to run such fora without moderators and yes, this could be used positive. By allowing the issues new things allway's been about, then jettison the destructive personal attacks and clown questions.
Architecture as how you and me are entitled , today, with computers, shuld offer increadible options, if it don't, architecture failed to educate a couple of it's trend makers. Sure things has been cencored out of architecture before, but let's see ; what is it that call claims for banning 3dh , is it a better method, that 3dh is not more efficient, is it that it don't work or about some clown, who newer needed to understand anything anyway.
I think moderators are up in serious situation, if there is no point in focusing at the true issues , if discussion shuld be those of architecture ,but that is not my experience, I only experienced the personal attacks that came instead of relevant questions , this is no new thing in architecture. That the harsh attacks become more and more poison , well I hope you can understand, that these constant silli comments, become more and more dirty ; but please do not blame me, it would be irasionel.
No
damn it sounds like I'm in the minority again, but I must say with a few good people I don't mind going down with....Leave the Place Alone and what he Hell is this about VR? It it starting to look like a Republican Presidential Convention....fixed, fixed, fixed.
I'm not going to vote. I would not have even bothered to come to this thread at all if not for vado's being an option having been referenced on Thread Central. Why? Because I'm sick of talking ABOUT Archinect. I love Archinect, but I'm tired of feeling I need to defend it. I don't. None of us do. Archinect is what it is because the people here - here for 10,000 posts or here for 10 - make it what it is.
Several comments upthread are consistent with my thinking. The joy of the discussion forums is how free-flowing they are. if people don't like what they read they can either stick to the news/images/competitions portions of the site, or they can contribute more of what they want here in the forums - architecture-related threads (have any of the whiners visited the "name the architect and building" thread?! I've seen more interesting architecture there than I have from any other single source in the last year.), questions about professional practice, school commentary, whatever - or they can leave.
If you don't want to contribute, don't bitch when it's not going the way you want it to. It's like school: you get out of it what you put into it. Go ahead and be lazy if you want to, but no one who works hard is going to pay any attention to you.
As for moderation, hell no.
I'm not going to visit this thread again, so if anyone wants to comment directly to me about this post, email me. You'll see my name right in my profile, in part because I believe so strongly in this site that I put my real information up there.
Most forums offer an edit button to post and topics ..Which would be great since alot of us including myself always have typos and mistakes.....
WTF – thought I posted to this thread but its not appearing…I feel like I am in a time warp.
Anyway, I think we would loose the synergy on this discussion board if we moderate the posts – so no, absolutely no moderating!
…and banning Vado? HEY! I'm Vado's #1 groupie so he can only go if I say so. Besides everyone loves VR and I am expecting SNL to jump in any moment and do that "just kidding" skit!
i think the ban vado thing was a joke katze...
Scumbags shuld be moderated. Usenet Trolls who enter the fora just to make it into a Cirkus where they laugh of you, after they made you harrass one single person. Posts that don't answer questions but go on strait to personal attacks or badly hidden insults, comments like "now he again destroy a tread" must be carefully read -- as you don't see the double agenda by someone acturly destroying the tread and blaming another one for doing it -- maybe you don't realise this advanced Troll technike that work perfect for spreading poison, --- but before you join the houling hounds and badly covered jeloux attacks towerds a single person, --- remember how this is what is poisining your mind towerds other artists ; if you think these one percent even when they crowd together shuld determine the political agenda and the power maneagement in this group, then maybe you shuld open your eyes for what hate campains and joy of harming a nice guy, that allready been going on here --- try real the "Hi all you fancy graphics lovers" tread and unless you start puke , after reading all those hate mails, realise what is destroying this tread ; two or tree usenet trolls who master their writing into nazi hate campains and find it funny every time they trap some new kid, into their dirty day's work.
Start ask them to contribuate or answer the questions, then open your eyes and realise what they has been doing to this fora, -- there you find the reson no one want to contribuate with brilliant new idears, as they know what happened to a nice guy as Per Corell, so why contribuate.
Oh and btw --- It is not me who find joy in harassing a nice guy, or spread poison against some guy and his work m and I would look closer when someone brag about not understanding what he critic. Remember who spread the poison, try read a few treads and ask why these saur old trolls who find joy in harming others to that extend, that they forget contribuating any architcture, except ofcaurse oppinions anyoe could have.
There are many perverts, and the most dangouras are those who pick on someone to teach you how to be a nazi --- who "allow" you to harras some nice guy whom they newer answer when he try defend himself, while this long ago turned into only personal attacks. Two or tree dirty minds obsessed with spreading poison .
This is the real danger for this fora and maybe it is to late now no one want to contribuate .
Well, VR hasn't posted on Archinect since this post was put up so I have reason to be concerned.
Ok, now we have a chinese bootlegger trying to sell catia on our forums? You guys still think it should be a free for all?
that chinacatia guy is about to piss me off...
i miss vado.
we all do! Vado, please come back.
"chinacatia"
sounds like a species of cacti.. or a breed of dog.. can't quite figure out which
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