true, but burning coal is absolutely terrible for the environment. electric cars, in my opinion, are a wasted effort. lets try and find a real solution to the problem.
Many of the police officers that patrol downtown Nashville patrol on those things. I crack up everytime I see a heavy-set cop patrolling Second Avenue. They look absolutely ridiculous.
you can make electricity in other ways, but that link above shows that renewable resources make up the smallest percentage of electricity generators. link also shows that in 2030, we will be burning almost 15 as much coal, but production from renewable sources will be about the same.
do americans have more oil than the middle eastl? no
do americans have more coal than the middle eastl? yes
no, im saying that the push for electric cars isnt a solution for greener energy. its a solution for economic independence.
im all for sustainable building and a cleaner environment, but electric cars doesnt really do anything until massive windfarms or something similar are built.
i mean the whole hyper-critical cynicism of green design is just annoying. you have to start somewhere. you start making a demand for something and they will supply it.
garpike +i, im not trying to pick a fight. i just think that it makes more sense to invest in the producer of green energy before you invest in the consumer of it.
What if its top was made of super-high-efficiency photovoltaic fabric, which powered the car. That would be cool. Probably wouldn't work with the monster wheels though.
i think hyrbid cars are great, and the best we can do until we develop a new source of energy. you are always going to need fossil fuel cars or something that can be replenished quickly for long distance driving (takes time to charge a battery). Hyrbids are the best mix between local and long distance driving. electric cars seem like they are too much of an investment for too little of a return. i think research money should be spent elsewhere.
+i, im pretty sure there is a large demand already. owning an electric car is like owning autocad 2007 and still having a computer from the 1970s.
What are you people going on about electric cars? The Smart Car is diesel. There are a few in my neighbourhood - I even see them on the highway on occasion.
They must be a hoot to drive, I'd think, as long as you weren't going too far or had to take something with you.
Smart cars DO pollute - I think they have a 40bhp diesel engine. 40 horsepower ain't much, but it's diesel so there's more torque than in a regular gas-powered car.
xacto, would you rule out a hybrid existence? That is to say both electric commuter vehicles and hybrids both on the road? I understand what you mean about fast refueling, but what about commuter vehicles with predictable use? Charge at night, use each day - similar distance each day.
would you pay $26,000 for this...
is that the smart car?
looks kind of cool, especially for tight urban environments.
still, 26 g's...? =\
i can't imagine pulling up next to a denali in one of those and trying to see around it to make a right hand turn on red...
strawbeary, i can't imagine being in a collision with a denali in one of those things!
I can't imagine a need for a Denali...
yeah, that too, garpike.
hope that's CA prices. i paid a lot less than that for my civic hybrid and it's a lot more car.
I think that price is high for Anywhere, USA.
those are CA prices...my boss test drove one yesterday
I wonder if you could put a set of 24"'s on it?
obviously, the US isnt too serious about it at those prices
I love the smart car...but for that money, I'd rather get this...
I can't imagine a need for a Denali...
When you have one of these!!!
But they sure do make parking a breeze...
ahahahaha!!! that's awesome chili!!!
i dont understand why people are so crazy about electric cars. where do you think electricity comes from?
http://www.nationmaster.com/country/us-united-states/ene-energy
http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/aeo/electricity.html
last time i checked, burning coal and natural gas werent too good for the environment either...
i guess you could see UNDER the denali
"What a beautiful prototype!"
"Prototype?"
paying 26Gs for this is equivalent to paying 5Gs for segway...talking of segway i present this:
xacto, localized pollution is much easier to control.
Chili, that's hilarious!
true, but burning coal is absolutely terrible for the environment. electric cars, in my opinion, are a wasted effort. lets try and find a real solution to the problem.
Segways make me giggle.
Many of the police officers that patrol downtown Nashville patrol on those things. I crack up everytime I see a heavy-set cop patrolling Second Avenue. They look absolutely ridiculous.
xacto, can you make electricity in other ways? Yes.
Can you make burning fuel not burning fuel? No.
that's a train wreck waiting to happen... love to see her fall
We should start building 20+ story buildings...
you can make electricity in other ways, but that link above shows that renewable resources make up the smallest percentage of electricity generators. link also shows that in 2030, we will be burning almost 15 as much coal, but production from renewable sources will be about the same.
do americans have more oil than the middle eastl? no
do americans have more coal than the middle eastl? yes
sorry...that link was for an image...the link im referring to is two posts above
a car for ants?
xacto, so what are you saying? Don't find a solution for greener electricity?
i dont encourage this... but this was under "smart car tipping"
I heart that car. I also heart (rumored) diesel Minis.
I don't get to spend money for a while though, so no go for me.
i would buy one. to drive around in the city.
no, im saying that the push for electric cars isnt a solution for greener energy. its a solution for economic independence.
im all for sustainable building and a cleaner environment, but electric cars doesnt really do anything until massive windfarms or something similar are built.
well in that case, leed doesnt really do anything either then. (see the living building challenge: http://www.cascadiagbc.org/the-living-building-challenge/)
i mean the whole hyper-critical cynicism of green design is just annoying. you have to start somewhere. you start making a demand for something and they will supply it.
Ok. I see.
So you are talking a solution for today.
im not critical of green design. i just wouldnt say that electric cars are part of it.
garpike +i, im not trying to pick a fight. i just think that it makes more sense to invest in the producer of green energy before you invest in the consumer of it.
How do you feel about hybrid cars?
so you should supply it before you have demand?
What if its top was made of super-high-efficiency photovoltaic fabric, which powered the car. That would be cool. Probably wouldn't work with the monster wheels though.
like a big version of the solar-powered backpack ? :) that could get a little warm...
and i dont think anyone is trying to "pick a fight" about a smart car. smart cars are efficient... and theyve been around for a long time.
i think hyrbid cars are great, and the best we can do until we develop a new source of energy. you are always going to need fossil fuel cars or something that can be replenished quickly for long distance driving (takes time to charge a battery). Hyrbids are the best mix between local and long distance driving. electric cars seem like they are too much of an investment for too little of a return. i think research money should be spent elsewhere.
+i, im pretty sure there is a large demand already. owning an electric car is like owning autocad 2007 and still having a computer from the 1970s.
i+, they are efficient because smart cars dont pollute. but the electric plants that produce the electricty are not efficient.
they are efficent because they more or less reduce the amount of dead load used (size of vehicle) to transport the live load (people)
What are you people going on about electric cars? The Smart Car is diesel. There are a few in my neighbourhood - I even see them on the highway on occasion.
They must be a hoot to drive, I'd think, as long as you weren't going too far or had to take something with you.
Smart cars DO pollute - I think they have a 40bhp diesel engine. 40 horsepower ain't much, but it's diesel so there's more torque than in a regular gas-powered car.
right. i was focusing about fuel source, but obvioulsy that factors into the equation.
also, it doesnt really matter how efficient they are if no one buys them. i see a lot more hybrids than smart cars.
okay then, sorry for looking like an idiot...but i still dont think electric cars make sense.
xacto, would you rule out a hybrid existence? That is to say both electric commuter vehicles and hybrids both on the road? I understand what you mean about fast refueling, but what about commuter vehicles with predictable use? Charge at night, use each day - similar distance each day.
how bout this 3 wheeled scooter?
60-70 mpg and 50-60 mph... and only around $6,800
xacto, you see a lot more hybrids for reasons are much more complicated than simply "no one buys them". Apples and oranges...
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