Yes I am and I don't like 'em either :)

Wasn't it the sex pistols manager who said something about especially hating the Dutch?

Hating? He loved "us" double!

This is a great song! Surprisingly (at least to me), while I know who McLaren is, I have never heard this (AFAIN)...

we need a strategy to make it last longer.

I did not know that Nova Scotia had such low levels of ignorance and bigotry.

For $1500 it lasts a looooong time.

Darn, I missed all the fun, why do those things always happen during dinner?

move to a better time zone.

I know [time zones]. I have the best [time zone].

I missed all of this. Disappointed, or lucky?

Disappointed. It was an astounding display of an adult's adolescent entitlement turned to rage

"It was an astounding display of an adult's adolescent entitlement turned to rage"
Some might call it Thursday

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I've archived the thread a few minutes prior to the last run of posts and kept the images for future Photoshop opportunities.

*edit*

wanted to archive... did not go through in time before deletion.

Build a model! Mock-up a detail!

I really want to build a house. I might be having delusions. Demo my house. Live in an RV. Build a new house.

I want to build where I currently live. The house is a scraper on a valuable lot, so feasible. But where to live while building? Rent elsewhere while building I guess.

Yes, build something. There's nothing like the smell of freshly cut timber, have been building and fixing furniture myself. Very rewarding

I've been refinishing the dining room table. Rewarding indeed.

Always liked Zombie Zoo, for some reason.

No not going to Greenpoint

LOL

your 5 minutes of googling, taken with the professor's statement where he was quoted as saying something along the lines of *A&M routinely places students in the top architecture firms where this type of curvy architecture is produced* really just points at the tone-deafness of the assignment and the real priority which is just to produce curvy forms for the portfolio. I basically commented as such, but as you point out the news article got zapped into nothingness.

I don't know how and when we're going to have these discussions on a discipline-wide level, but if pointing out the obvious on an ephemeral posting warrants such censorship here - it won't be soon enough, and it won't be pretty

I was aghast at that article as well but just closed my browser rather than take time to respond. Totally agree with both of you though.

The only criticism of archinect itself was threadkilla's statement that the article was poorly written. There wasn't a link to an original source article or material ... so I can only assume it was an archinect-written article. I forget who it cited as the author on the news post.

Edit: Nevermind ... I found the source article: http://today.tamu.edu/2017/09/...

Here is the fantastic quote from the professor: "'We have historically placed our students in top architectural firms that produce these complex sensuous forms from curves, trendy architecture that includes some of the most interesting buildings in the world,' Clayton said."

There's nothing that strikes me as wrong about the studio project. The problem (as usual) starts when someone in P.R. swoops in and tries a "look how socially relevant we are" bit.  Big mistake. Huge. Always.

Username on point.

If I read it correctly the studio project wasn't about designing a building but was about using 3D structures as data visualization. It was a first- or early-year project, right? Perhaps this was a way of teaching the students visualization software and bringing in formal intuition and critique AND giving them a sense of how extreme the weather situation is, so that later, when they actually design habitable buildings, they have a sense of empathy for how important safe structures are? I'm with citizen, I don't see a problem with this studio assignment.

Might take me a couple of weeks but hoping to do a write up for Archinect after it wraps up next weekend...

I love anise-favored liquor. Don't @ me.

I've had more than one evening ruined with that stuff and I can never remember the name... not complaining thou.

It's called Pastis but the look, taste, and smell are what defines it and thus how it is called.

Stay safe, David.

Hopefully not another shitty one.

Sans contractual obligations just a headache.

The design services agreement was to do the work leading up to the permit. That never happened. The contractor thought he could save time by getting started before the design was done and permit given. Now they want the work to be split into phases (non-structural stuff now so he can continue and another permit later for structural stuff after we can get it together) and drawings all need to be redone per phasing and reflect what the contractor has already done. I think add'l fee is warranted as well because that is a lot of additional work and it wasn't my fuck-up. My pro practice textbook says designers can get their licenses taken away for being involved on a non-permitted job but that sounds draconian.

I already "fired" them and they "fired" me too, more than once actually (complicated, I can't give all the details obviously). I never finished the work nor collected the full fee. I wasn't planning on alerting the building dept but they still want to submit my drawings and put my name on the permit application and I don't want it on there. Thanks all. Good thing I'm a good poker player, both to call bluffs and to support myself inbetween "projects". Ha.

That's the answer I need, thanks Chris.

Very grey area. Licensed / unlicensed, ownership of documents defined, etc. A lot depends on the municipality. Of course if you need a lawyer it's already too late.

What's the point of having an agreement and a protocol when the third party contractor can come in and throw a wrench in it? Is the contractor responsible for the costs associated with his error?

They say they aren't going to use my name and will figure something else out. I want to believe them and not place the call. Seems pretty easy to just use someone's name on your drawings and application and they might never know.

Subject to liability exposure (structure, code) I'd place the call and/or have an attorney advise the ex-client that they have no right to use the work and must immediately relinquish all drawings. CYA. The problem is of course that once lawyers are involved the cesspool tends to get deeper.

Thanks again everyone. I actually slept last night instead of lying awake thinking about this!

I owe you all a beer or wine or two or three.

Chris, can't any party cancel at any time for any reason? That's how I do stuff. Getting fired for saying "no" is a blessing... refusing to provide more services when the client wants to do things illegally (for example) is a blessing. You get rid of a bad client and get the evening off, stress-free. My brother is a doctor and many of his patients smoke. We've had this conversation. All he can do is recommend they not smoke and then treat them accordingly in the fee for service model. He can't follow them around and make sure they don't smoke. The thing that doctors do that architects don't is that they make money when patients are stupid and unhealthy, they don't take on the additional expense and stress themselves which is what i see a lot of architects doing.

In my other job, I work with special ed kids and I received explicit training on how to work with kids that are troublesome. You do NOT take on other people's problems. Easy to say I know. Sometimes we don't even know we are doing it. does that work in architecture? I don't know.

What do you mean about due diligence? Are you suggesting architects are obligated to serve unserveable clients who perhaps do things that are illegal and/or don't pay?

Due diligence in client selection. 

The problem is essentially that once you've done something you're on the hook for it no matter what. Professional status just makes it worse. As a designer you can define your responsibility, as an architect it's all yours. Of course in the end it's up to lawyers to sort it out and the guy with the most money usually wins by attrition. 

Need to be pickier in selecting clients? I can get behind that. Maybe it's best to have none at all. Does that work?

"without the sweatpants"? careful with those interviews, see what's happening in Hollywood right now?

JLC, no skype call so will have to wear something presentable.

David, I might be working on design research for exhibitions and publications.

Should work more on my punctuation. A comma here or there wouldn't hurt anyone.

Everyday, IIRC replies don't count as comments. So if you have three comments, and each one garners five replies, it will still only show up as having 3 comments.

We could talk about some awfully nasty things - things too awful to leave on the internet for searching but if they could just fall away it would be nice - that I believe would effectively scare all the prospective students of architecture away.

If you don't want it out there forever, don't say it on the internet.

I want to hear the stories.

They got robbed.

i DON;T CARE HOW BAD THE ARCHITECTURE IS, i LOVE sTORM pORN! Oops, yes, it's Saturday at 6pm and I'm CADding at the office...

That caps lock accident looks like storm porn...

I love disaster films.

Massive? Don't break the bulk plane.

"live"?

(too soon?)

OK, that's very funny. I had not seen it. I like how it implies consent, moreso than the previous.

I'm not a fan of visible sketchup axis.

One for the category "that's not art because my kid can do that too in 5 seconds". Can't believe someone actually spent those 5 seconds.

Niice.

Wow... is providing a space for these exact comments not the point of Archinect?

For some, self-promotion is the only point.

Working for a builder in the late 80's I was tasked with developing a construction bid for one of his house projects. Sheer incompetence doesn't begin to describe the work. 15' double cantilevers in the space of single framing members, continuous tile floors transitioning over a mix of concrete, wood, and steel structure; a wall 30' high and only 12" thick with no lateral support; etc. Details ranged from unbuildable to designed to fail immediately.

So a 7-1/2" piece of 1/4" foam core turns into a 30' high unsupported wall. Masterful!

i helped put together a residential/ community sort of haunted house. to be honest, i didn't design it. i was there for problem solving, fixing broken stuff, and i happen to own a fair number of tools the hostess does not own. it was wildly successful among the neighbor kids.

Fully permitted and to code I presume? You wouldn't put the neighborhood children in harm's way.

nah. i went the harms way route. scare the parents too that way. happy halloween :)

don't say!? yes, david, somebody on the blocked creativity thread was trying to tell me otherwise, and more....

go look , he's back at it.

Someone actually said this?

Im not making it up

https://archinect.com/forum/thread/150034811/creativity-block/0#last

mother of god.

i think it's god himself

mother of dog?

Why are you getting CEU's from Autodesk? I'd rather get pooped on by a Canada Goose.

13 CEU's for sale to the highest bidder! Just kiddding, I don't think that works.

"You need permission"

looks like I had the wrong link included try this https://archinect.com/features/article/150031586/all-experience-will-have-some-form-of-relevance-how-to-get-a-job-at-rafael-vi-oly-architects

Wow that was some HR boilerplate if I ever saw one. Booo-ring.

thats why you can't compare yourself against other people. Outwardly you seem very happy in your practice and involved and influential in your local community. Enjoy it!

Thanks archanonymous, and what you say is all true, too! I am very happy and fortunate and love what I do. That said, a huge part of my architectural belief is that *buildings* are what matter, or at least built things (like pavilions or benches or whatnot) having materiality. So I get super excited seeing others manifest excellent built things into the world. But when I look at my own material output...well, I mean, it's lovely that my residential clients all love what I've done for them. I know I've positively impacted people.

Sam Harris.

I'm listening to someone now compare Sam Harris and Daniel Dennett. He played Sam Harris's "choose a city" example and I'm not convinced by his argument.

Me neither.

+1 to Sam Harris. Also this is obscure but there's an episode of 'You Made It Weird w/ Pete Holmes featuring Bo Burnham (both comedians) that goes into determinism & free will, which is what originally turned me on to the philosophy back in 2013 or so.

Donna, thank for the name drop. 8-)

Damn... my long response was deleted. I feel sad now.

So, let's try retyping this thing again.

It is predetermined that you are not to respond to Donna, that's why it won't work.

I don't know, it's tricky. I'm not a believer in the "everything goes according to God's plan"/"master creator", but without my grandpa signing up to interview with Eli Lilly since they didn't have a lot of signups at the U of I career day way back when and subsequently moving to Indianapolis instead of returning to work for GE in New York after the war, Indianapolis is where my mom met my Dad (who is from Columbus, IN), then my Mom and Dad get married and move to Columbus, and then I'm born and grow up to be an architect. Seems like an interesting path and maybe there is something to ordained fate? Who knows.

Believing something doesn't make it true. Your "skeptic" needs to be more skeptical.

I freely choose the pumpkin beer... even when out of season.

Peak pumpkin beer was last year. Breweries are cutting down on it. But now you can get pumpkin spice potato chips!

So you know you're right?

No.

And that's the second time I've done that.

I need a vacation. Today.

I first read that as SILLY, which the answer of course is YES. How hilly? I'm sure it can.

sorcery!

It wasn’t a direct point made, but I got the sense he was longing for a time when people looked up as they walked around versus looking for entertainment/theatre/spectacle in their phones as they walk from a to b (youth being the alleged worst offenders).

They do... or worse, they don’t engage because they are above it. And if you think about the difference between the agora and the pynx it’s access and control. “They” would never get caught in open spaces where discourse requires presence and accountability (the pynx). Instead they would favor the controlled environments of the agora.

I got rid of all my apple products except my giant ipad.

Rattlesnakes versus water moccasins. Always a t ough choice.

Who? I live under a rock, I don't know about that stuff.

at least your last name isn't saud.

Just assume the client was a PoS who screwed the designer who copied you.

Isn't the profession enough of a joke?

A tree branch just fell and narrowly missed my head. Who designed that thing???

It missed because it bounced off your beautiful aura.

Thanks, Miles. But I asked for a joke.

I got one on release and played it for a few weeks until I started to travel and forgot about it.

The end is near. I can tell because it happens every time I get a taste of success.

Congrats!

The "cart" is the grave. Free will, with an eye on the grave, is the best path, or you'll fly too close to the sun, and find the grave.

But your genes and chemicals change per their environment. They are not static.

You do get to influence them, so yes you do.

Dr. Sapolsky has some good thoughts on it too but again, the thing no one is thinking of is time. Free will shouldn't be defined as things that happen just in the moments. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SthfBxQ0vZ0

Sapolsky and Harris debate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3VBb23k2QQ

(sorry, more of a discussion than a debate)

More: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-Nj_rEqkyQ I tell my students that they have Response-Ability.

Like the video says, both hard determinism and free will are true, argument resolved. Which works for you? Is the question now. I find free will to be my driving force, it works for me. I suppose I'm pre-detrrmined to think way based on my experiences and observations. Determinism sounds too easy.

Thanks for your service! Am just inviting guests for final reviews, and it is work finding good critics who are available on a particular day and time.

Perfect training for architecture students - ignore real world constraints. Which explains a lot of the shit produced today. Not to pick on Josh, everybody loves a good mental jam session.

Good point.  Plenty of real-world constraints get raised and talked about-- they just don't bring everything to a screeching halt as they do in real projects. (In my studio, anyway.)

What I meant by that is what citizen said. They get talked about, but they don't drive the discussion.