You guys if you haven't yet watched the Tina Fey sheet cake skit, go do it. She makes an excellent architecture joke! That said, as deeply important as architecture is to my entire self/being, if I had to choose between architecture and sex I'd go for the latter. For sure.
For all these threads with people bitching about the profession and how miserable they are and how poorly paid, I would like to know where each of them is practicing. Here in the 2nd city things have never been that bad. Even during the recession with 40% architectural unemployment in the city, all the folks I knew who were laid off ultimately found gigs doing other stuff for decent pay. We're a very comfortably middle class profession even in the hard times. And we have good degrees and experience that can fairly easily be transferred to other biz if desired. Where are these ppl practicing where life is so miserable?!
Joy :/ Found out my contract will end mid-Sept. Anyone know who's hiring 20+ years experienced architects in Denver... (or LA or DC where my wife can transfer)?
Or wants to open a branch in Denver (have a 20+ year old firm & portfolio I could sell too including a physical office I currently lease out if someone is looking for a startup)...
aka; the real mightyaa without the annonomous login
Nice to meet the face behind one of the top dogs here.
Aug 23, 17 8:07 am ·
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Wilma Buttfit
Sorry to hear or congrats, not sure which is appropriate. Seems plenty of firms are hiring here and I know the LA market is busy too so you have good timing for being out of work at least. I'm available for grabbing a beer or two
you find yourself with some free time.
Aug 23, 17 9:51 am ·
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mightyaa
I've done niche... Forensic/litigation support. If I wanted to chase money, I know two firms hiring that; six-digit income again if I go that way. It just sort of sucks the life out of you. Another I'll probably at least pursue is City of Denver plans examiner and join the dark side for better pay oddly enough. Not much different than what I do now in QAQC redlining, code studies, and life safety drawings. I kind of liked though being involved in high design projects and working with young architects who still have that fresh new smell and glow.
mightyaa aka Christopher, I'm so sorry to hear about the layoff but I'm now scared because you are the second architect I've heard of *this morning* to be layed off. Is it great recession part 2 coming already? Fuck.
Aug 23, 17 10:21 am ·
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mightyaa
A issue is they are in hiring mode; but its production. I'm long since past that and not interested in being a cad monkey again. I do worry they over-estimate the technical abilities of staff and oversight in the rush to bang out projects. I figure what did me in was that I'm the grey hair telling folks 'no' for various technical reasons and it throws a wrench in the works. The result, based on my litigation world, is poorly executed drawings that result in issues down the road like blown budgets via unneccesarily expensive detailing/structure and/or defects after construction where contractors 'fill in the blanks'. The do have a few technical people, but they are stretched thin already since they've also been pushed into production instead of oversight.
mightyaa aka Christopher - sorry to hear that, Tryba does some nice work.
Why don't you go to Fentress? or Gensler? both decent Denver offices
Aug 23, 17 12:34 pm ·
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mightyaa
Thought about it. What I'm trying to pursue though is more of a owner's rep in site acquisition, building/portfolio assessment, and design oversight (the other side of the table). Basically filling that gap between the ROI spreadsheet realtor guys and the reality of the idea that they aren't realistically looking at the buildings they are going to purchase and know what it will take or cost to bring it to their standards... So the architect has a realistic project and budget to work with. Essentially, all of us have been handed problem buildings then made the client angry with how much they have to pour into it just to make it mediocre.
Aug 23, 17 12:43 pm ·
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Wilma Buttfit
Who pays a consultant to tell them they are unrealistic?
Aug 25, 17 11:02 am ·
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mightyaa
lol... And who would want to pay the salary I'd want for having these experienced eyes versus just hiring a home inspector. I mean it's only a few million dollars on the investment, what could go wrong?... :/
A recruiter told me "money shouldn't be a issue, you shouldn't ask for salaries when getting a job. We never tell clients salaries because it makes them look like they're only at it for the money"
I laughed and said "I have to pay my bills, there's no way I'm going to accept a job that doesn't pay me close to what I need or earning. I find it disrespectful that you'll come to me with a intern salary with my experience"
Her "but working isn't about the money"
Aug 25, 17 10:00 am ·
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Non Sequitur
I had a linkd-IN recruiter send me something a month or so ago looking for an architect to do sketch-up. Design-Build contractor type gig. My single line reply was that they can't afford me. A hilarious exchange of "pleasantries" followed.
Aug 25, 17 10:08 am ·
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Schoon
That's so frustrating, archi. There's a disturbing trend developing of employers using the mantra of "live to work, not work to live" to justify offering lower compensation. The fact that you love your job does not mean you should be willing to do it for pennies.
Aug 25, 17 10:11 am ·
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tduds
Ask her to forego her commission, then we'll see how about the money her job is.
Aug 25, 17 12:31 pm ·
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geezertect
You can always spot people who have lots of money. They're the ones telling you money doesn't matter.
I'm at the courthouse all day for jury duty. Really hope that it's just a day of sitting in the jury room and not being called for a trial.
Aug 25, 17 10:35 am ·
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Non Sequitur
Just tell them you're late for a rally down south
Aug 25, 17 10:54 am ·
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geezertect
I was the last juror to be excused during the voir dire on a capital murder trial (he killed a witness in his friend's burglary trial). The trial I would have been on ultimately was declared a mistrial because two of the jurors were threatened by the defendant's associates midway through. That was as close as I ever want to come to hearing a bullet whiz past my ear. Good luck.
IT bungled their rollout of Revit 2018 last night, in the process breaking all previous versions of Revit, other Autodesk software and somehow crippling software totally unrelated to Revit. Meaning everything on my to-do list today just got pushed to who-knows-when... At least I can spend today doing leisurely hand calcs / detail drawing. It must suck to be IT right now, though.
That would make sense. Some TED talks are great - others... Susan Cain's TED talk was pretty good, but I'm biased due to my own introversion. Also PechaKucha>TED
Off to NYC next weekend, gonna catch the FLW exhibit at MoMA, any suggestions by those in the know as to other things to see? Gonna catch the zoo at the High Line, and stop to marvel at the Bayard building. Wife has all the other touristy things planned out, but...
It's touristy, but take a walk down Fifth. From MOMA you'll pass Rockefeller Center, NYC Public Library, Empire State. At 30th head west to pick up the High Line, which takes you down to the New Whitney. On the uptown side the Guggenheim, the MET, Central Park.
Aug 31, 17 10:01 am ·
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Mr_Wiggin
Hey Miles, just got back this morning. I hit every spot on your list, and had a hell of a great time doing so. MOMA was my favorite destination by far, didn't have enough time to really take it in, overwhelming is a good way to describe my experience there. My wife was patient with me when I got into a archi-discussion with a volunteer there. I don't get to do that much in my line of work, city and county gov't types don't seem to appreciate the finer philosophical details of our profession... I'll be back for sure!
Glad you had a good trip. 565 is my father's building. I'm guessing you did the Wright exhibit?
Sep 6, 17 11:03 pm ·
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Mr_Wiggin
Your assumption is correct, it was incredible. Not just knowing it was FLW, but the craft exhibited in the rendering, and modeling done by Wright and his people along with the folks who put the exhibit together made it an unforgettable experience. Just wish I could have had more time.
Hi. Guess who injured their left foot this week after spending three months in a walking boot earlier this year for a stress fracture in their right foot? Bye.
At least I'm going to see Columbus tonight.
Sep 8, 17 4:59 pm ·
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citizen
Yikes, Josh, that's rough. Best wishes for healing of that hoof =o]
passed the Cali CSE test yesterday...yay, new liability!
Sep 13, 17 2:01 pm ·
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b3tadine[sutures]
Proto, how long did you study for, and how difficult was the exam?
Sep 16, 17 11:09 pm ·
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proto
I studied a shitton (used David Doucette's Whole Enchilada for study guide www.cseprep.com ), and it was still hard! There was only so much I could cover being out of state. Sometimes I was looking for answer E: "fuck if I know." I.e. I could eliminate two; and then I was left with one answer that was 67% right and one answer that was 71% right...the study materials definitely helped me pass, but I felt there was a lot more detail I could have covered. Agencies and processes are critical; then local law, then AIA contracts were next in line in terms of importance. They do not tell you what constitutes a passing grade; you just find out at the end whether you did or not.
Sep 17, 17 3:24 am ·
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b3tadine[sutures]
proto, did you need NCARB or did you use the longer form? I'm looking at the same study material. Thanks for the info.
Sep 17, 17 12:54 pm ·
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proto
I did it without NCARB (cuz I hate with a passion)
I got 8 work related emails between 9 pm last night and 8 am this morning. What emoji should I use to respond to them? Something that says just because you are prescribed drugs, it doesn't mean you should take them.
Sep 14, 17 6:00 pm ·
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Wilma Buttfit
I didn't even check my email till noon today. Oops.
Sep 14, 17 6:29 pm ·
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mightyaa
Fax your response back with hand drawn smiley faces and golden stars...
Sep 14, 17 6:43 pm ·
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Wilma Buttfit
2 were "check this out". One was a duplicate of one of those. Two were accusations. One was redacting one of the accusations. One had an action item that was supposed to be done by 9 am. One was an expression of frustration. Already "filed" em in I for ignore. We need emojis for this.
I just ignore most email. If it's important they'll send it again. Or call.
Sep 14, 17 8:37 pm ·
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Wilma Buttfit
Prescription. Ask your doctor.
Sep 14, 17 11:30 pm ·
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Non Sequitur
Had a similar conversation with my GC earlier this week. I stopped by one site where 1 have 3 buildings in construction in between two other, non related, project visits. He asked me how I keep everything together. I told him that I check out at 5pm and that there is nothing that can't be answered the next day.
Sep 15, 17 1:54 pm ·
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citizen
I just added "wet signature" to the dirty architecture terms thread.
Sep 15, 17 2:31 pm ·
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Wilma Buttfit
And often times if you ignore it, it goes away anyways. Lol, citizen.
I just met some folks at a hip(ster) coffee house in this nice, old converted industrial building. I realized as I approached it that I'd worked on drawings for another renovation of it, like, 30 years ago.
Much more interesting use now. But, oy, the poison that it must be sitting on. Craft toxins, anyone?
"free work" is never really free -- somebody always pays a price.
Sep 18, 17 8:18 pm ·
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Wilma Buttfit
Working with or for friends is hard on the friendship. You end up with neither job nor project nor friends.
Sep 18, 17 9:24 pm ·
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joseffischer
I've got 3 or 4 peeps that we just refer work to eachother. We always pass along some sort of comment like "oh, and drop my name so he knows to give you friendship rates" Then we call each other to find out how much of a royal pain said associate is going to be and charge accordingly.
Ugh, why you go have this as a sponsored post, Archinect? This isn't a race to the bottom.
Sep 19, 17 11:44 am ·
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quizzical
JLC-1 / Josh: relax -- the article's really about utilization rates and efficiency, not reducing anybody's pay.
If we're ever to improve the economics of our profession, we must focus on getting more work done at lower cost. It's clear we're not going to have much luck improving the income side of things.
Sep 19, 17 12:58 pm ·
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JLC-1
quizz, right, that's why the title of the article is "utilization rates and efficiency", and not, "you're overpaying your employees"
More work done at lower cost just equals more crappy work that no one is proud of, further devaluing the notion of an architect in the public's eye. Crappy work for low fees is not the way to run a business.
I'm not saying architects don't need help/more knowledge in running businesses, but what you mentioned isn't the right way - at least in my eyes.
Sep 19, 17 2:24 pm ·
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file
This is an interesting conversation.
Sep 19, 17 6:54 pm ·
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Wilma Buttfit
I'm an employer outside if architecture and I pay my employees as much as I can afford which isn't a whole lot but they are happy and work hard. In my opinion, it is the best money I can spend. If I pay an employee an average wage, I would expect average performance. When I pay above average, I get employees who are driven, dedicated, happy, and loyal which is worth an extra few dollars an hour. Calculate that in terms of utilization, how that DOLLAR is "utilized", why don't you?
Sep 20, 17 4:32 am ·
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geezertect
It won't do any good in the long run to be more efficient. Competitive forces will just drive fees even lower because we'll end up passing all the savings on to the client.
Josh / JLC-1: ok - I see what happened there – you didn’t understand the point I was trying to make, which is totally my fault, not yours. I didn’t communicate clearly, so let me try again, please.
The “race to the bottom” began with the Consent Decree and has not yet abated. The profession reacted badly to the Consent Decree and, in hindsight, responded in a manner that was detrimental to our collective economic health. Much of the profession reacted exactly as Josh describes – “More work done at lower cost just equals more crappy work that no one is proud of, further devaluing the notion of an architect in the public's eye.” This began a very damaging downward spiral, from which we have yet to recover.
The point I was trying to make earlier has to do with “productivity” not “lower wages” – so let me set the stage for that a bit. When fee schedules went away and architects were forced to start competing on the basis of price, most of the profession simply tried to cut costs and shirk liability. This situation was made worse by increasing demands for more – not less – documentation. Client satisfaction declined, profitability went to hell and compensation at all levels suffered.
IMHO, what the profession SHOULD have done at the time of the Consent Decree was focus much more heavily on “productivity” instead of “reduced cost” – i.e. getting more high quality work produced both faster and cheaper. That approach would demand much higher skill levels at all levels of the firm and, if done right, would have resulted in higher wages across the board, not lower. Regrettably, in most firms, that is not what happened.
The article in question – with its lamentable click-bait title – really is about ‘productivity’ – that is, achieving a level of production from each employee that is appropriate to that employee’s cost to the firm. I think the author approached the subject in an overly dramatic manner that was designed to excite, rather than inform. Still, his basic message – i.e. firm’s must manage personnel in a manner that achieves both productivity and profitability – is not without merit.
Sorry for the confusion.
Sep 19, 17 7:01 pm ·
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quizzical
It was a foundational event that wrought much disruption and, in many ways, shaped (not altogether positively) the profession in which we work today.
Sep 19, 17 7:15 pm ·
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quizzical
Hmmm ... David, you and I may not be talking about the same thing. I'm referring to the 1971 and 1990 Consent Decrees between the AIA and the US Department of Justice, in which the profession agreed to abandon mandatory fee schedules under threat of anti-trust action by the DOJ.
Thanks for this, quizzical. I keep hoping at some point someone will write an article about the Consent Decree and how that has decimated architecture as a profession and that will cause us all to rise up and demand to be remunerated better.
I also keep hoping a crew of hot shirtless and smiling men will show up to clean my house for me. One can dream.
Sep 19, 17 8:51 pm ·
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Wilma Buttfit
It was not necessarily the Consent Decree but the response to it that has led to the current state of the profession. The response by the doubly wounded AIA is to lament the loss of standard fee schedules and the strategy given by AIA advisors is to never discuss fees again out of fear of breaking the law again. Instead of picking a new way forward, the leadership gave up. Like a little kid, the AIA says if we can't break the law then we'll just whine and cry, and hope everyone will join the pity party and validate the loss of fee schedules that they needed in order to know how to charge for their services.
Sep 20, 17 3:34 am ·
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quizzical
tintt: that's not exactly how I remember it.
Following the 1971 Consent Decree the AIA made a major effort to educate the profession about "Cost Based Compensation" -- i.e. basing fee quotes on what it actually costs to provide the services being requested by the client. The Institute published several truly excellent books dealing with this subject and provided companion seminars all across the country.
Unfortunately a) many in the profession felt this required too much work and thought (hey, you know it's just so much easier to calculate a fee based on % of anticipated construction costs, even if that isn't the 'correct' number);and b) even if you made a reliable quote based on what you thought your costs might be, some other firm was going to propose a much lower fee to secure the project.
Sep 20, 17 11:15 am ·
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Wilma Buttfit
Good to know, quizzical, I wasn't around in 1971 to have witnessed it. I just experience the aftermath, points a and b.
Sep 20, 17 11:54 am ·
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joseffischer
Only in architecture does anyone seem to even care about price fixing. Contractors share the info, gas stations, grocery stores, definitely lawyers and the healthcare insurance industry. Even architects at higher levels in hushed rooms discuss it, Principal to Principal... but when a junior architect brings up productivity, workflow and billings, asks legitimate questions on how it's decided who gets billed what, and desires a discussion across firms in the region, all the higher ups bring up the consent decree with a fear similar to "he-who-must-not-be-named".
On a somewhat related note, I thought all architects (American at least) knew who NCARB was. I recently got my NCARB certificate and was talking about it with another architect who I thought would congratulate me but instead said, "NCARB? Never heard of them. It's a useless credential because nobody has ever of them. You wasted your money."
Sep 20, 17 4:10 am ·
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Wilma Buttfit
Same person tried to tell me that masonry units could not be cut on site and that each non-whole unit needed would require someone to come out a take measurements for custom molds to cast custom units and it was very expensive and time consuming. I just said OK and got in the clown car.
Sep 20, 17 4:50 am ·
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curtkram
congrats on the ncarb certificate:)
why would someone be so quick to tell you a credential they don't know anything about is useless? wouldn't it be more prudent to say they weren't familiar with ncarb, but then give you the benefit of the doubt and wish you the best in whatever direction your life is going?
Sep 20, 17 7:07 am ·
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Non Sequitur
What are those units made of? Diamonds?
Sep 20, 17 8:19 am ·
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Wilma Buttfit
Curt, because RA is the only credential that matters. What is funny too is that this person is talking about moving states and I told them they can't transfer their license and they don't believe me. I have a plane on standby to write "I told you so" in the sky cause I'm a bitch. Concrete pavers, NS. You mean there is a SAW that can cut them? Yes!
Sep 20, 17 8:40 am ·
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b3tadine[sutures]
well, you can transfer credentials, each state makes you jump through hoops, some smaller than others.
Yeah, after my first free year with the certificate I let my NCARB lapse because I'm not planning on moving soon and don't stamp drawings at the office. I looked into Indiana's requirements without NCARB - increased fees and paperwork.
Sep 20, 17 11:26 am ·
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Wilma Buttfit
But if you get licensed without doing IDP and later move to a state that requires IDP, I thought you were SOL. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe they still let you in.
Sep 20, 17 11:50 am ·
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b3tadine[sutures]
well that's likely true in particular circumstances, right? many, if not most, do the idp.
Sep 20, 17 11:53 am ·
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Wilma Buttfit
I'm sure there is a way through, but going to have some hurdles. I was given the advice to take the strictest route by doing it all, NAAB, IDP, NCARB, ARE, cause that was required in the state I started in anyways and then you are never without. I would hate to be missing one of those and seeking reciprocity.
Sep 20, 17 7:28 pm ·
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proto
it's just money, right?
cue "money for nothing"
Sep 20, 17 8:19 pm ·
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kjdt
It's possible in some states to get "direct comity" or "direct reciprocity" from certain other states, without submitting an NCARB record. So in some cases it's not required at all. As for getting licensed in another state if you never did IDP: that typically requires getting an NCARB certificate by documenting your experience retroactively. It's not impossible - I helped a former employer through the application/documentation process recently - it's just that it can be more difficult years later because some past firms may have closed, former employers may have died, etc.
Sep 25, 17 10:02 am ·
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Bloopox
A lot of states have a route for licensing for people who don't have an NCARB certificate... BUT it usually still requires transmittal of an NCARB record to prove IDP, and currently NCARB will refuse to transmit the record of anybody who is eligible for certification unless they get certified. Yes there are a few states that have direct reciprocity without submitting an IDP record directly from NCARB - but only a few. Essentially if you have an NAAB degree and you did IDP, you'll end up having to get certified in order to transmit your record to get reciprocity in most states. If you let your certification lapse then NCARB charges you all the back years plus a reinstatement fee of several hundred dollars - I think back fees are capped at $1500 max.
It's misleading, because what the map is showing is states that specifically require NCARB certification for reciprocity. The trick is that more than 40 states require an IDP record transmitted directly from NCARB, even if they don't specifically require certification - but NCARB refuses to transmit your record if you're licensed and eligible for certification UNLESS you get certified. The practical result of that is that only people who aren't eligible for certification (usually because they don't have an NAAB degree) can get through the non-certficate-holder reciprocity process in most of the other 26 states. The exceptions are the few states that accept certain other states' licenses for direct reciprocity, with no NCARB documentation required.
Company wide redundancy on the book! Time to figure out what to do hmmmm.
Sep 21, 17 4:25 am ·
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Bench
Holy shit a.w., is that still at the dev company in central london? Any idea what the cause is, big project falling through or the like? I've been hearing more and more mass redundancies coming at large offices, but those were always archi-specific. Brexit is going to have a bigger effect as we approach March 2019...
Sep 21, 17 6:16 am ·
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archiwutm8
55% down turn in London development. Everyone is sitting around or getting fired, I've seen it at and talked to folks all over
Sep 21, 17 6:20 am ·
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Bench
Is your co focused on residential or otherwise? Most of what I've been hearing is that the effect is primarily in that sector, with a knock-on effect into the commercial area as well. The larger layoffs I've heard about have been coming mainly from res/mixed offices.
Sep 21, 17 6:22 am ·
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archiwutm8
I work on everything, every large commercial project and developing project in London, I'm 80% sure we've worked on.
Sep 21, 17 6:43 am ·
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I'm not a robot
Th US underbuilt multifam for the past 40+ years. And demand is high b/c both boomers and millennials are competing over this housing type. What makes you think there's a bubble? Plus, the subprime auto loan debt is now well over a trillion $. If too many people lose their cars, they certainly aren't going to buy single family out in the sticks.
Sep 21, 17 5:07 pm ·
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mightyaa
Multifamily is the new affordable & starter home. No one is building small single family.
Sep 21, 17 5:53 pm ·
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I'm not a robot
is it 75 units of what - luxury? affordable? low-income? and you're basing your opinion off of the SF/CA market?
Sep 21, 17 10:32 pm ·
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Wilma Buttfit
4 pages of job ads on the local AIA page here...
Where are all the Houston transplants going to? Those cities are going to have multi-family markets.
A European background and love for extensive worldwide travel and photography, combined with a penchant for the historical details from the Ancient Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Byzantine and Renaissance architectural styles influence our designs.
sometimes I go and look at the "about us" in arch. firms websites, once in a while you come across gold.
I'm going to see Ike Reilly and Cracker in a small private house concert tonight! Of course as an architect I won't be able to just enjoy the show as I'll also be hyper-aware of whether there are enough exits and clear paths to them.
Sep 22, 17 9:00 am ·
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Non Sequitur
Unless the show is in Astoria, Or. I think it's safe to assume there is sufficient exiting.
Christopher, I actually *do* travel with a tape, a cute little 10' leather-bound Edelman Leather swag piece that I keep in my purse pretty much everywhere I go. But I could stand next to this railing and know it wasn't 42"!
Sep 24, 17 11:16 am ·
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Wilma Buttfit
I have a 100-foot tape in my purse. Got it out yesterday in fact.
Sep 25, 17 9:38 am ·
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joseffischer
I thought all architects knew where 42 was on their bodies.
I always liked this chair. You could have them at the dining room table at Thanksgiving and watch your guests bleed out from the back of their knees as they stuffed themselves
Sep 24, 17 3:04 pm ·
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Wilma Buttfit
Seems the seat back could land precisely to that point in your back where you do not want a seat back to end, yikes. And the base, always wobbly. Stuff some coasters under there or build your abs.
I let go of one of my jobs over the weekend. It was a combination of getting fired and quitting. At least it was mutual. Like I say, frees me up to do other things!
Sep 25, 17 9:36 am ·
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Non Sequitur
I see you've changed screen names... At least the untapd profile is the same... 8-)
Sep 25, 17 9:43 am ·
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Wilma Buttfit
Yes, "there is no there there" (tintt) is no longer something I relate to.
Sep 25, 17 9:51 am ·
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curtkram
does that mean there is now something there?
Sep 25, 17 11:08 am ·
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Wilma Buttfit
There has been for a while, yes. It hit me one day like a tilt-up wall panel.
Just got an email from a subcontractor and so badly want to respond but I know I won't.
We sort of had it out on the phone today. I wasn't yelling or being unreasonable but certainly raised my voice in order to be forceful. He followed up asking me to "not take that tone in order to have beneficial project meetings moving forward"
I feel like telling him to not submit shitty work or send his C-team to my job site "in order to have a passable looking project going forward"
If your staff are such delicate flowers, maybe they shouldn't be working in this industry.
Thread Central
It's beer-thirty o'clock at my CAD station right now.
Just finished hanging my one man show. After a week of flat-out fabrication. Hello Casamigos!
I enjoyed WTF, but it was fiction, even if loosely based on a real person.
Goddammit just lost an hour's worth of CADding fuuuuuuuucccckkkkkk......
Coincidentally, today I seem to have misplaced my sketchbook. Moleskine is not always the answer!
I want to see the Night King's castle. You know that thing has to be deconstructivist AF
I want to know what zombie ice dragons spit out of their mouths.
IcyHot Napalm
I think I'm going to create a series of new users and have them each make a stupid comment on decades-old posts.
Joy :/ Found out my contract will end mid-Sept. Anyone know who's hiring 20+ years experienced architects in Denver... (or LA or DC where my wife can transfer)?
Or wants to open a branch in Denver (have a 20+ year old firm & portfolio I could sell too including a physical office I currently lease out if someone is looking for a startup)...
aka; the real mightyaa without the annonomous login
Nice to meet the face behind one of the top dogs here.
Sorry to hear or congrats, not sure which is appropriate. Seems plenty of firms are hiring here and I know the LA market is busy too so you have good timing for being out of work at least. I'm available for grabbing a beer or two
you find yourself with some free time.
I've done niche... Forensic/litigation support. If I wanted to chase money, I know two firms hiring that; six-digit income again if I go that way. It just sort of sucks the life out of you. Another I'll probably at least pursue is City of Denver plans examiner and join the dark side for better pay oddly enough. Not much different than what I do now in QAQC redlining, code studies, and life safety drawings. I kind of liked though being involved in high design projects and working with young architects who still have that fresh new smell and glow.
Tattoo artist and Uber driver then :P
Oh dear. You guys, now I'm nervous.
mightyaa aka Christopher, I'm so sorry to hear about the layoff but I'm now scared because you are the second architect I've heard of *this morning* to be layed off. Is it great recession part 2 coming already? Fuck.
A issue is they are in hiring mode; but its production. I'm long since past that and not interested in being a cad monkey again. I do worry they over-estimate the technical abilities of staff and oversight in the rush to bang out projects. I figure what did me in was that I'm the grey hair telling folks 'no' for various technical reasons and it throws a wrench in the works. The result, based on my litigation world, is poorly executed drawings that result in issues down the road like blown budgets via unneccesarily expensive detailing/structure and/or defects after construction where contractors 'fill in the blanks'. The do have a few technical people, but they are stretched thin already since they've also been pushed into production instead of oversight.
So that fresh new smell wasn't all it seemed to be?
mightyaa aka Christopher - sorry to hear that, Tryba does some nice work.
Why don't you go to Fentress? or Gensler? both decent Denver offices
Thought about it. What I'm trying to pursue though is more of a owner's rep in site acquisition, building/portfolio assessment, and design oversight (the other side of the table). Basically filling that gap between the ROI spreadsheet realtor guys and the reality of the idea that they aren't realistically looking at the buildings they are going to purchase and know what it will take or cost to bring it to their standards... So the architect has a realistic project and budget to work with. Essentially, all of us have been handed problem buildings then made the client angry with how much they have to pour into it just to make it mediocre.
Who pays a consultant to tell them they are unrealistic?
lol... And who would want to pay the salary I'd want for having these experienced eyes versus just hiring a home inspector. I mean it's only a few million dollars on the investment, what could go wrong?... :/
A recruiter told me "money shouldn't be a issue, you shouldn't ask for salaries when getting a job. We never tell clients salaries because it makes them look like they're only at it for the money"
I laughed and said "I have to pay my bills, there's no way I'm going to accept a job that doesn't pay me close to what I need or earning. I find it disrespectful that you'll come to me with a intern salary with my experience"
Her "but working isn't about the money"
I had a linkd-IN recruiter send me something a month or so ago looking for an architect to do sketch-up. Design-Build contractor type gig. My single line reply was that they can't afford me. A hilarious exchange of "pleasantries" followed.
That's so frustrating, archi. There's a disturbing trend developing of employers using the mantra of "live to work, not work to live" to justify offering lower compensation. The fact that you love your job does not mean you should be willing to do it for pennies.
Ask her to forego her commission, then we'll see how about the money her job is.
You can always spot people who have lots of money. They're the ones telling you money doesn't matter.
Just tell them you're late for a rally down south
I was the last juror to be excused during the voir dire on a capital murder trial (he killed a witness in his friend's burglary trial). The trial I would have been on ultimately was declared a mistrial because two of the jurors were threatened by the defendant's associates midway through. That was as close as I ever want to come to hearing a bullet whiz past my ear. Good luck.
Sat in the jury assembly room the entire day and was never called. Got a lot of reading done. Could have been worse. Off to Exhibit Columbus tomorrow!
IT bungled their rollout of Revit 2018 last night, in the process breaking all previous versions of Revit, other Autodesk software and somehow crippling software totally unrelated to Revit. Meaning everything on my to-do list today just got pushed to who-knows-when... At least I can spend today doing leisurely hand calcs / detail drawing. It must suck to be IT right now, though.
said quite literally by only one person in the history of the world.
Reggie Watts on architecture
I feel the same way.
I couldn't get past the first 8 minutes. Do you have a hot take on why it is so great for those of us who don't immediately get it?
It's funny.
Yeah I'm not sure I'm getting this one, unless it's all one huge standup act poking fun at architects. (Also dude, you're not an architect)
I think he actually likes architects, but is making fun of TED talks.
That would make sense. Some TED talks are great - others... Susan Cain's TED talk was pretty good, but I'm biased due to my own introversion. Also PechaKucha>TED
This is hysterical! Reminds me of Last Week Tonight's TED talk parody in their episode on scientific studies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvtp-dKfbco
OK seriously obsessed with Reggie Watts now! Thank you tintt! Genius!!!
Funny, Schoon. Here is another Reggie Watts for the new fans. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXyHf_SpUUI
Off to NYC next weekend, gonna catch the FLW exhibit at MoMA, any suggestions by those in the know as to other things to see? Gonna catch the zoo at the High Line, and stop to marvel at the Bayard building. Wife has all the other touristy things planned out, but...
Central Park, for sure.
565 Fifth Avenue (46th street).
It's touristy, but take a walk down Fifth. From MOMA you'll pass Rockefeller Center, NYC Public Library, Empire State. At 30th head west to pick up the High Line, which takes you down to the New Whitney. On the uptown side the Guggenheim, the MET, Central Park.
Hey Miles, just got back this morning. I hit every spot on your list, and had a hell of a great time doing so. MOMA was my favorite destination by far, didn't have enough time to really take it in, overwhelming is a good way to describe my experience there. My wife was patient with me when I got into a archi-discussion with a volunteer there. I don't get to do that much in my line of work, city and county gov't types don't seem to appreciate the finer philosophical details of our profession... I'll be back for sure!
Glad you had a good trip. 565 is my father's building. I'm guessing you did the Wright exhibit?
Your assumption is correct, it was incredible. Not just knowing it was FLW, but the craft exhibited in the rendering, and modeling done by Wright and his people along with the folks who put the exhibit together made it an unforgettable experience. Just wish I could have had more time.
What is strange about audio books?
Most play top 40, which is ugh. I had one that played music from his home country (Nigeria) and we ended up talking about it the entire time.
They usually ask me what I want. Advantage of being a lady I suppose. And I love audio books!
It sounded like a cross between a romance novel and self-help guide.
Aren't all romance novels self-help guides?
Get yo mind out of the gutter
the gutter is the best place to keep your mind
I don't know man. That gutter eventually finds its way to a catch basin and that's where Pennywise lives
I hate how mean we are to the "what style is this?" people but I also laugh my ass off reading the threads. We're a nasty bunch and I love us.
Day 3 of charetting door and window schedules on a project. I'm reeling a little.
Those Avroko ads make my back hurt. Not in a good way.
I know someone that works at one of their offices.
Hi. Guess who injured their left foot this week after spending three months in a walking boot earlier this year for a stress fracture in their right foot? Bye.
At least I'm going to see Columbus tonight.
Yikes, Josh, that's rough. Best wishes for healing of that hoof =o]
somebody's going off the rails, "for the love of building".
I' m afraid of that thread...
Animoji is a sign of the apocalypse.
Had to look that up. Seems like a recipe for spectacular failure.
NIGHTMARE!!!!!
I can't wait!
I'm gonna send a talking poop emoji to all of my future dates. Wish me luck.
Better for potential clients.
passed the Cali CSE test yesterday...yay, new liability!
Proto, how long did you study for, and how difficult was the exam?
I studied a shitton (used David Doucette's Whole Enchilada for study guide www.cseprep.com ), and it was still hard! There was only so much I could cover being out of state. Sometimes I was looking for answer E: "fuck if I know." I.e. I could eliminate two; and then I was left with one answer that was 67% right and one answer that was 71% right...the study materials definitely helped me pass, but I felt there was a lot more detail I could have covered. Agencies and processes are critical; then local law, then AIA contracts were next in line in terms of importance. They do not tell you what constitutes a passing grade; you just find out at the end whether you did or not.
proto, did you need NCARB or did you use the longer form? I'm looking at the same study material. Thanks for the info.
I did it without NCARB (cuz I hate with a passion)
Rumblings of dumping the CMAR off of our project, they're a huge contractor.... Can't help but feel it might be a good move.
I got 8 work related emails between 9 pm last night and 8 am this morning. What emoji should I use to respond to them? Something that says just because you are prescribed drugs, it doesn't mean you should take them.
I didn't even check my email till noon today. Oops.
Fax your response back with hand drawn smiley faces and golden stars...
2 were "check this out". One was a duplicate of one of those. Two were accusations. One was redacting one of the accusations. One had an action item that was supposed to be done by 9 am. One was an expression of frustration. Already "filed" em in I for ignore. We need emojis for this.
I just ignore most email. If it's important they'll send it again. Or call.
Prescription. Ask your doctor.
Had a similar conversation with my GC earlier this week. I stopped by one site where 1 have 3 buildings in construction in between two other, non related, project visits. He asked me how I keep everything together. I told him that I check out at 5pm and that there is nothing that can't be answered the next day.
I just added "wet signature" to the dirty architecture terms thread.
And often times if you ignore it, it goes away anyways. Lol, citizen.
https://archinect.com/forum/th...
Ha, Miles and I totally attacked that "innovation" from the same angle.
- gone fishin' -
Not really but pretty much.
Time and change...
I just met some folks at a hip(ster) coffee house in this nice, old converted industrial building. I realized as I approached it that I'd worked on drawings for another renovation of it, like, 30 years ago.
Much more interesting use now. But, oy, the poison that it must be sitting on. Craft toxins, anyone?
I find my self doing a bunch of free work for friends recently. Not sure it's a good idea as it's making me grumpy.
No good deed goes unpunished.
"free work" is never really free -- somebody always pays a price.
Working with or for friends is hard on the friendship. You end up with neither job nor project nor friends.
I've got 3 or 4 peeps that we just refer work to eachother. We always pass along some sort of comment like "oh, and drop my name so he knows to give you friendship rates" Then we call each other to find out how much of a royal pain said associate is going to be and charge accordingly.
That moment where you're so distracted by other things in the evening that you didn't get time to paint.
What was so distracting?
https://archinect.com/news/art...
a big, huge, WTF?????
but if you had them, you would be overpaying them no matter what
Ugh, why you go have this as a sponsored post, Archinect? This isn't a race to the bottom.
JLC-1 / Josh: relax -- the article's really about utilization rates and efficiency, not reducing anybody's pay.
If we're ever to improve the economics of our profession, we must focus on getting more work done at lower cost. It's clear we're not going to have much luck improving the income side of things.
quizz, right, that's why the title of the article is "utilization rates and efficiency", and not, "you're overpaying your employees"
Quizz, your entire last paragraph is the race to the bottom I'm referring to.
More work done at lower cost just equals more crappy work that no one is proud of, further devaluing the notion of an architect in the public's eye. Crappy work for low fees is not the way to run a business.
I'm not saying architects don't need help/more knowledge in running businesses, but what you mentioned isn't the right way - at least in my eyes.
This is an interesting conversation.
I'm an employer outside if architecture and I pay my employees as much as I can afford which isn't a whole lot but they are happy and work hard. In my opinion, it is the best money I can spend. If I pay an employee an average wage, I would expect average performance. When I pay above average, I get employees who are driven, dedicated, happy, and loyal which is worth an extra few dollars an hour. Calculate that in terms of utilization, how that DOLLAR is "utilized", why don't you?
It won't do any good in the long run to be more efficient. Competitive forces will just drive fees even lower because we'll end up passing all the savings on to the client.
Broken record: Oversupply....oversupply......oversupply....
Sometimes I'm most efficient by not doing anything at all.
Josh / JLC-1: ok - I see what happened there – you didn’t understand the point I was trying to make, which is totally my fault, not yours. I didn’t communicate clearly, so let me try again, please.
The “race to the bottom” began with the Consent Decree and has not yet abated. The profession reacted badly to the Consent Decree and, in hindsight, responded in a manner that was detrimental to our collective economic health. Much of the profession reacted exactly as Josh describes – “More work done at lower cost just equals more crappy work that no one is proud of, further devaluing the notion of an architect in the public's eye.” This began a very damaging downward spiral, from which we have yet to recover.
The point I was trying to make earlier has to do with “productivity” not “lower wages” – so let me set the stage for that a bit. When fee schedules went away and architects were forced to start competing on the basis of price, most of the profession simply tried to cut costs and shirk liability. This situation was made worse by increasing demands for more – not less – documentation. Client satisfaction declined, profitability went to hell and compensation at all levels suffered.
IMHO, what the profession SHOULD have done at the time of the Consent Decree was focus much more heavily on “productivity” instead of “reduced cost” – i.e. getting more high quality work produced both faster and cheaper. That approach would demand much higher skill levels at all levels of the firm and, if done right, would have resulted in higher wages across the board, not lower. Regrettably, in most firms, that is not what happened.
The article in question – with its lamentable click-bait title – really is about ‘productivity’ – that is, achieving a level of production from each employee that is appropriate to that employee’s cost to the firm. I think the author approached the subject in an overly dramatic manner that was designed to excite, rather than inform. Still, his basic message – i.e. firm’s must manage personnel in a manner that achieves both productivity and profitability – is not without merit.
Sorry for the confusion.
It was a foundational event that wrought much disruption and, in many ways, shaped (not altogether positively) the profession in which we work today.
Hmmm ... David, you and I may not be talking about the same thing. I'm referring to the 1971 and 1990 Consent Decrees between the AIA and the US Department of Justice, in which the profession agreed to abandon mandatory fee schedules under threat of anti-trust action by the DOJ.
See: 1971 and 1990 Consent Decrees - US DOJ v. AIA
Thanks for this, quizzical. I keep hoping at some point someone will write an article about the Consent Decree and how that has decimated architecture as a profession and that will cause us all to rise up and demand to be remunerated better.
I also keep hoping a crew of hot shirtless and smiling men will show up to clean my house for me. One can dream.
It was not necessarily the Consent Decree but the response to it that has led to the current state of the profession. The response by the doubly wounded AIA is to lament the loss of standard fee schedules and the strategy given by AIA advisors is to never discuss fees again out of fear of breaking the law again. Instead of picking a new way forward, the leadership gave up. Like a little kid, the AIA says if we can't break the law then we'll just whine and cry, and hope everyone will join the pity party and validate the loss of fee schedules that they needed in order to know how to charge for their services.
tintt: that's not exactly how I remember it.
Following the 1971 Consent Decree the AIA made a major effort to educate the profession about "Cost Based Compensation" -- i.e. basing fee quotes on what it actually costs to provide the services being requested by the client. The Institute published several truly excellent books dealing with this subject and provided companion seminars all across the country.
Unfortunately a) many in the profession felt this required too much work and thought (hey, you know it's just so much easier to calculate a fee based on % of anticipated construction costs, even if that isn't the 'correct' number); and b) even if you made a reliable quote based on what you thought your costs might be, some other firm was going to propose a much lower fee to secure the project.
Good to know, quizzical, I wasn't around in 1971 to have witnessed it. I just experience the aftermath, points a and b.
Only in architecture does anyone seem to even care about price fixing. Contractors share the info, gas stations, grocery stores, definitely lawyers and the healthcare insurance industry. Even architects at higher levels in hushed rooms discuss it, Principal to Principal... but when a junior architect brings up productivity, workflow and billings, asks legitimate questions on how it's decided who gets billed what, and desires a discussion across firms in the region, all the higher ups bring up the consent decree with a fear similar to "he-who-must-not-be-named".
On a somewhat related note, I thought all architects (American at least) knew who NCARB was. I recently got my NCARB certificate and was talking about it with another architect who I thought would congratulate me but instead said, "NCARB? Never heard of them. It's a useless credential because nobody has ever of them. You wasted your money."
Same person tried to tell me that masonry units could not be cut on site and that each non-whole unit needed would require someone to come out a take measurements for custom molds to cast custom units and it was very expensive and time consuming. I just said OK and got in the clown car.
congrats on the ncarb certificate:)
why would someone be so quick to tell you a credential they don't know anything about is useless? wouldn't it be more prudent to say they weren't familiar with ncarb, but then give you the benefit of the doubt and wish you the best in whatever direction your life is going?
What are those units made of? Diamonds?
Curt, because RA is the only credential that matters. What is funny too is that this person is talking about moving states and I told them they can't transfer their license and they don't believe me. I have a plane on standby to write "I told you so" in the sky cause I'm a bitch. Concrete pavers, NS. You mean there is a SAW that can cut them? Yes!
well, you can transfer credentials, each state makes you jump through hoops, some smaller than others.
Yeah, after my first free year with the certificate I let my NCARB lapse because I'm not planning on moving soon and don't stamp drawings at the office. I looked into Indiana's requirements without NCARB - increased fees and paperwork.
But if you get licensed without doing IDP and later move to a state that requires IDP, I thought you were SOL. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe they still let you in.
well that's likely true in particular circumstances, right? many, if not most, do the idp.
I'm sure there is a way through, but going to have some hurdles. I was given the advice to take the strictest route by doing it all, NAAB, IDP, NCARB, ARE, cause that was required in the state I started in anyways and then you are never without. I would hate to be missing one of those and seeking reciprocity.
it's just money, right?
cue "money for nothing"
It's possible in some states to get "direct comity" or "direct reciprocity" from certain other states, without submitting an NCARB record. So in some cases it's not required at all. As for getting licensed in another state if you never did IDP: that typically requires getting an NCARB certificate by documenting your experience retroactively. It's not impossible - I helped a former employer through the application/documentation process recently - it's just that it can be more difficult years later because some past firms may have closed, former employers may have died, etc.
A lot of states have a route for licensing for people who don't have an NCARB certificate... BUT it usually still requires transmittal of an NCARB record to prove IDP, and currently NCARB will refuse to transmit the record of anybody who is eligible for certification unless they get certified. Yes there are a few states that have direct reciprocity without submitting an IDP record directly from NCARB - but only a few. Essentially if you have an NAAB degree and you did IDP, you'll end up having to get certified in order to transmit your record to get reciprocity in most states. If you let your certification lapse then NCARB charges you all the back years plus a reinstatement fee of several hundred dollars - I think back fees are capped at $1500 max.
I believe the number of states that require NCARB cert for reciprocity is around half, something like 24. interactive map here: https://www.ncarb.org/get-licensed/licensing-requirements-tool
It's misleading, because what the map is showing is states that specifically require NCARB certification for reciprocity. The trick is that more than 40 states require an IDP record transmitted directly from NCARB, even if they don't specifically require certification - but NCARB refuses to transmit your record if you're licensed and eligible for certification UNLESS you get certified. The practical result of that is that only people who aren't eligible for certification (usually because they don't have an NAAB degree) can get through the non-certficate-holder reciprocity process in most of the other 26 states. The exceptions are the few states that accept certain other states' licenses for direct reciprocity, with no NCARB documentation required.
well... at least they're licensed... whew!
Company wide redundancy on the book! Time to figure out what to do hmmmm.
Holy shit a.w., is that still at the dev company in central london? Any idea what the cause is, big project falling through or the like? I've been hearing more and more mass redundancies coming at large offices, but those were always archi-specific. Brexit is going to have a bigger effect as we approach March 2019...
55% down turn in London development. Everyone is sitting around or getting fired, I've seen it at and talked to folks all over
Is your co focused on residential or otherwise? Most of what I've been hearing is that the effect is primarily in that sector, with a knock-on effect into the commercial area as well. The larger layoffs I've heard about have been coming mainly from res/mixed offices.
I work on everything, every large commercial project and developing project in London, I'm 80% sure we've worked on.
Th US underbuilt multifam for the past 40+ years. And demand is high b/c both boomers and millennials are competing over this housing type. What makes you think there's a bubble? Plus, the subprime auto loan debt is now well over a trillion $. If too many people lose their cars, they certainly aren't going to buy single family out in the sticks.
Multifamily is the new affordable & starter home. No one is building small single family.
is it 75 units of what - luxury? affordable? low-income? and you're basing your opinion off of the SF/CA market?
4 pages of job ads on the local AIA page here... Where are all the Houston transplants going to? Those cities are going to have multi-family markets.
A European background and love for extensive worldwide travel and photography, combined with a penchant for the historical details from the Ancient Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Byzantine and Renaissance architectural styles influence our designs.
sometimes I go and look at the "about us" in arch. firms websites, once in a while you come across gold.
I'm going to see Ike Reilly and Cracker in a small private house concert tonight! Of course as an architect I won't be able to just enjoy the show as I'll also be hyper-aware of whether there are enough exits and clear paths to them.
Unless the show is in Astoria, Or. I think it's safe to assume there is sufficient exiting.
Plenty of exits, tho.
When you start doing plumbing fixture unit calculations you will know that the disease is terminal.
Christopher, I actually *do* travel with a tape, a cute little 10' leather-bound Edelman Leather swag piece that I keep in my purse pretty much everywhere I go. But I could stand next to this railing and know it wasn't 42"!
I have a 100-foot tape in my purse. Got it out yesterday in fact.
I thought all architects knew where 42 was on their bodies.
Anybody seen The Uncomfortable?
Brilliant.
Brilliant? Or cutesy-aggressively-self-hating?
A parody of bad design, which is of course all too abundant.
I always liked this chair. You could have them at the dining room table at Thanksgiving and watch your guests bleed out from the back of their knees as they stuffed themselves
Seems the seat back could land precisely to that point in your back where you do not want a seat back to end, yikes. And the base, always wobbly. Stuff some coasters under there or build your abs.
Rietveld considered sitting to be an activity
I let go of one of my jobs over the weekend. It was a combination of getting fired and quitting. At least it was mutual. Like I say, frees me up to do other things!
I see you've changed screen names... At least the untapd profile is the same... 8-)
Yes, "there is no there there" (tintt) is no longer something I relate to.
does that mean there is now something there?
There has been for a while, yes. It hit me one day like a tilt-up wall panel.
instead of hitting the wall, I climbed it.
I miss tintt.
https://youtu.be/3tmd-ClpJxA
I had dinner with Peter Bohlin tonight. He's delightful and a cocktail aficionado.
Just got an email from a subcontractor and so badly want to respond but I know I won't.
We sort of had it out on the phone today. I wasn't yelling or being unreasonable but certainly raised my voice in order to be forceful. He followed up asking me to "not take that tone in order to have beneficial project meetings moving forward"
I feel like telling him to not submit shitty work or send his C-team to my job site "in order to have a passable looking project going forward"
If your staff are such delicate flowers, maybe they shouldn't be working in this industry.
Hi TC! it's been ages... Hope everyone is well.
Congrats on the birthday/life-goal met, Chris!
Also @chick, that Reggie Watts video is just "everyone knows...", right? hah!
What?
Just expressing my admiration/enjoyment of the Reggie Watts video. Love the TED parody.
Oh! Doh! Cheers!
I never dared to come here, feels like crashing someone else's party. Putting one toe in the water.
Thanks, with 1234 comments it was about time :)
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