there are a couple recent student questions on the forums - one is someone who is too scared to make mistakes, the other does not want to appear stupid in front of their classmates/profs.
I think half the battle of education is helping students get over their insecurities.
Ya today started as a bla....bla...bla....then it kicked me in the ashe....phone was non stop which was filled with problems I didn't create.....and I was trying to solve a simple track lighting solution which made me panic, cause everything is in fast forward with energy conservation and specifying lights....no more incandescents, and what does one do to make for the best light....it is fricking frightning.~
snook, lights make me panic a little, but door hardware flusters me to incomprehension.
Today I spent three hours dealing with PTA issues (there's a nutter in our ranks), three hours dealing with carpenters and designers, and about an hour dealing with a broody chicken. The many areas of focus of our modern life.
I think a lot of times architectural education creates insecurities, unfortunately.
Wedding is on Saturday. So much to do!
I love spec'ing door hardware - one of my all-time favorite things to do - but I find lighting scary-fun. Track lighting is the scariest... all those parts: the ballast, the number of heads, the circuiting...
Manta, do post a picture of your wedding so we can all celebrate with you. Feel free to keep your head out of the shot if you're worried about your identity.
if there's a concert and you can actually arrange to go - working around evening meetings, kid(s), and other things - it doesn't matter what night it is.
what is most striking to me is reading the conservative case against sprawl (aside from the ridiculousness of the guy waxing poetic over a strip mall).
I'm excited for all these cheesy man-commercials. I like that the men are all manly, in suits, James Bond like, ect. I'm hoping that for once, the commercials will influence guys to be men more often.
Wishful thinking?
haven't had it, donna. once again, you've beaten me to the new stuff.
i did order a bourbon when i was out for national bourbon day earlier this week. i was in the 'rickhouse' restaurant in bardstown ky, just downstairs from the bourbon museum there. but ordering a bourbon from a neighboring county just didn't seem polite. i went with a bardstown brand.
anyone had makers 46? I had never heard of the stuff just had it a couple of days ago. better and less sweet finish (i guess cause of the aging?) than the regular makers.
hey all, went to an ncarb event tonight, and wow, what a change-up! seems like the impossible can happen. 110% more responsive to the issues plaguing future professionals, and current ones too.
I haven't been around in a bit, but funny the Name that Architect and Building thread came up, I think 95% of my posts are from there. It could use a second wind...
I'm curious about what you saw at NCARB that would make you want to do something other than complain. I thought all they did was overcharge and file stuff. Now with everything in a database on a computer, I don't think they even file stuff.
All good Nam! Been in LA for about a year now, miss the east coast but enjoying the sunshine. Not working in an "strictly architecture" firm for the first time, which is extremely refreshing. Good luck with the move.
curtkram, that's okay, my parade is always getting shit on, but in this case you haven't. first, and i'll get into more detail later, is the fact that the CEO admitted how fucked up NCARB is/was and essentially threw themselves on the mercy of the crowd. mea culpas all around. to me, that's a huge first step.
snook, he's relatively new, but completely aware of the image problem.
okay, so, a few things i was not aware of, because, well they're new too; if you are a high school student, committed to a NAAB school, you can start IDP. NCARB is looking very soon, because more state boards are coming around to the idea, to allow architecture students to take the ARE's while in school - structures it seems would be the likely first choice. because of the economy, they have expanded what can be considered for hours applying to your IDP; competitions for one, higher degrees, research and education, and more. the fee won't come down much, but two things are at play here, one, adjusted for inflation, the fees to take the exam are no different than the were in 1975 apparently, and two, certificate holders subsidize 1/3 of the ARE fees. the vignette software will be replaced, probably not soon enough for those taking the exam now, but they have engaged a new vendor. in fact, they are even looking at if the graphics portion of the exam is the best way to test competency.
NCARB is also looking to make the licensure process a bit more uniform across the country; it's too damn complicated. they are trying to provide more value to certificate holders. they are offering amnesty to those certificate holders who have lapsed certificates, and are capping the penalty at 5 years.
NCARB is also trying to put the hammer down on architects/firms that do not provide interns with the necessary experience required to complete IDP.
The assembled staff was accessible, apologetic and earnestly trying to demonstrate that they were here, and actively listening to the member concerns. They provided contact information, and stayed as long as needed to answer specific questions.
It appears, at least if you believe the words, NCARB is doing some heavy lifting here, trying to change a well deserved black eye, but again, time will tell. Of course there will be individual cases of crazy shit going on, but I heard enough last night, that led me to believe that people were listening for a change.
Now, if my state can just get rid of our licensing board exec director, then everything will be okay in the world.
if they're allowing the ARE to be taken earlier, there still has to be some structure for requiring internship experience. whether that's IDP or not, i don't know. but a whiz kid who can pass the ARE directly out of school is NOT ready to be registered, imo.
sorry, i sound old and cranky. but, well, maybe i am. i've seen a lot of green, wide-eyed graduates and they need some hours logged one way or another.
if NCARB cannot improve Intern Development, and get the licensed professional to engage on this issue, then yes, it deserves to go, but IDP has been around in some form since the 70's and it's not going anywhere anytime soon.
i agree with Steven. currently, in MN, you can take all the exams before completing IDP, but you are not considered an architect until you complete IDP.
it seems that there are multiple paths for getting this done, and they seem to be tring more things, and getting away from the bunker mentality.
I actually disagree that they should expand the things that count for IDP so much that competitions, research, and higher ed should count. I actually agree with the idea that practical (in the sense that it literally means: practice) knowledge needs to be layered onto an architectural degree before one is ready to actually practice architecture. I don't disagree with expanding options some given the harsh state of the economy but I would like to see it expand in the direction of construction practice: work as a plumber's apprentice, do some rough framing, take the courses at the trade unions, that kind of thing. THAT is MUCH more applicable to producing a better designer / architect than a competition, which is essentially the same thing as what you do in your studio courses in school already.
IDP was frustrating for me because all my time working during school didn't count, which was bullshit (I worked every single summer, and christmas, and during most of my semesters part time, for the same 2 firms so it was a fairly continuous work experience). I was not allowed to report a single hour of any of that. It sounds like they're addressing this issue which makes me happy.
But otherwise I don't disagree with the main purpose of it, which is (in theory) to expose potential architects to the stuff they didn't learn in school. Totally agree with Steven that fresh grads with no work experience DEFINITELY need to be instructed in lots. Not just how a drawing set goes together, but lots and lots of CA experience. In my view, what makes the single biggest difference in quality between two intern architects with the same degree and length of work experience is how much of that experience came in CA. THAT's where everything finally clicks together for an architect.
do they still ask people whether they've seen a project through from start to finish? That was the hot question back when I graduated, and I can definitely see the reason. To expand on what manta said or put my own spin on it, CA experience is great but doing CA on a project that you were the designer on is something more. Seeing how your decisions played out, knowing which ones were deliberate and which were off-hand and why you did everything, and seeing where you were right and where you missed something, is infinitely more valuable than doing CA on someone else's designs, where you can just attribute every issue to another designer's stupidity.
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there are a couple recent student questions on the forums - one is someone who is too scared to make mistakes, the other does not want to appear stupid in front of their classmates/profs.
I think half the battle of education is helping students get over their insecurities.
manta et al. I haven't moved yet. I love florida still but need to see how to make everything work out now that she is in NC.....
Had a great weekend, driving, unloading truck and enjoying drinks in downtown Winston-Salem.
Also David, that video is amazing. Gotye us one of those musicians i slept on until a bit late.. Love it.
oh and rationalist. I have been feeling that way a bit lately too. mostly due to life's changes.... Hopefully you feel the love and positivity soon1
Wondering if Donna ever saw the Nooz?
Ya today started as a bla....bla...bla....then it kicked me in the ashe....phone was non stop which was filled with problems I didn't create.....and I was trying to solve a simple track lighting solution which made me panic, cause everything is in fast forward with energy conservation and specifying lights....no more incandescents, and what does one do to make for the best light....it is fricking frightning.~
snook, lights make me panic a little, but door hardware flusters me to incomprehension.
Today I spent three hours dealing with PTA issues (there's a nutter in our ranks), three hours dealing with carpenters and designers, and about an hour dealing with a broody chicken. The many areas of focus of our modern life.
I think a lot of times architectural education creates insecurities, unfortunately.
Wedding is on Saturday. So much to do!
I love spec'ing door hardware - one of my all-time favorite things to do - but I find lighting scary-fun. Track lighting is the scariest... all those parts: the ballast, the number of heads, the circuiting...
Manta, do post a picture of your wedding so we can all celebrate with you. Feel free to keep your head out of the shot if you're worried about your identity.
I don't mind lighting or door hardware as long as I have enough time to work on it.
Oy vey, Is it Sarcastic Wednesday yet?
donna,
sounds like you need to employ the steve jobs approach to meetings - kick out the least relevant nutter!
My clients idea of door pulls consist of white leather pulls on trimless doors. I actually had the leather pulls in my hand....Ya Babby!
I love leather pulls. But not in a humid environment.
Today I built one thing and helped others figure out how to build another.
If Im a working person, is it wrong to go to a Tuesday night concert? My logic is saying "don't go!" but my fun-side is saying "yessss!!!!"
SarahH go! as long as you don't make it a habit. sometimes it is good to have fun on a work day/night.
goodnight all.
if there's a concert and you can actually arrange to go - working around evening meetings, kid(s), and other things - it doesn't matter what night it is.
Can we post animated gifs here in the forum?
Thanks all. Sometimes it's good to hear others say its ok, even of only to give the illusion of having someone else to blame.
Can we post animated gifs here in the forum?
^-- there is an animated gif here. it appears in the post comment preview thing. if you can see it, then the answer is yes. if not, then probably not.
:D
I see it, curt, and it's moving. Did you post that as a link or as an image?
It is moving here.
America's First Illegal Immigrants|
posted as an image
just want to repost this article from the atlantic cities: zombie infrastructure
what is most striking to me is reading the conservative case against sprawl (aside from the ridiculousness of the guy waxing poetic over a strip mall).
I'm excited for all these cheesy man-commercials. I like that the men are all manly, in suits, James Bond like, ect. I'm hoping that for once, the commercials will influence guys to be men more often. Wishful thinking?
curtkram - why are you posting pornographic gifs? I'm reporting you.
toast what porno pics? or were you referring to the morphing/animated gif....
night all.
That gif was completely innocent to me until you said something, toaster! Now: whew.
pornographic gifts are against the rules here?
this is a site for architects. pornographic gifs is what we do.
they are against my (home) office rules of not looking at sexy maths while trying to get work done. next time you should post "warning - sexy maths"
Whatever happened to that guess-this-building thread? I've been trying to search for it since the redesign with no luck.
let me google that for you
I guess we ran out of buildings to identify.
I'm in Kentucky. Had Woodford Reserve Double Oaked last night and OMG my life is changed. It is delicious, Steven I wonder if you agree?
I got a discount at the liquor store on Saturday.
haven't had it, donna. once again, you've beaten me to the new stuff.
i did order a bourbon when i was out for national bourbon day earlier this week. i was in the 'rickhouse' restaurant in bardstown ky, just downstairs from the bourbon museum there. but ordering a bourbon from a neighboring county just didn't seem polite. i went with a bardstown brand.
anyone had makers 46? I had never heard of the stuff just had it a couple of days ago. better and less sweet finish (i guess cause of the aging?) than the regular makers.
morning all.
exactly my opinion, nam. i'm not a fan of the normal makers, but 46 is much better. still not a favorite...
kubo - is this what you've been looking for?
Name that Architect and Building!!!
hey all, went to an ncarb event tonight, and wow, what a change-up! seems like the impossible can happen. 110% more responsive to the issues plaguing future professionals, and current ones too.
I haven't been around in a bit, but funny the Name that Architect and Building thread came up, I think 95% of my posts are from there. It could use a second wind...
Glad to see everyone is still posting here.
I'm curious about what you saw at NCARB that would make you want to do something other than complain. I thought all they did was overcharge and file stuff. Now with everything in a database on a computer, I don't think they even file stuff.
another point of view
Apologies if you were just being optimistic. I didn't mean to rain on your parade.
hey phuyaké! haven't seen you in a bit. Things going well?
All good Nam! Been in LA for about a year now, miss the east coast but enjoying the sunshine. Not working in an "strictly architecture" firm for the first time, which is extremely refreshing. Good luck with the move.
curtkram, that's okay, my parade is always getting shit on, but in this case you haven't. first, and i'll get into more detail later, is the fact that the CEO admitted how fucked up NCARB is/was and essentially threw themselves on the mercy of the crowd. mea culpas all around. to me, that's a huge first step.
and he didn't fall on his sword.....no honor...darn....I thought this might be dramatic.
snook, he's relatively new, but completely aware of the image problem.
okay, so, a few things i was not aware of, because, well they're new too; if you are a high school student, committed to a NAAB school, you can start IDP. NCARB is looking very soon, because more state boards are coming around to the idea, to allow architecture students to take the ARE's while in school - structures it seems would be the likely first choice. because of the economy, they have expanded what can be considered for hours applying to your IDP; competitions for one, higher degrees, research and education, and more. the fee won't come down much, but two things are at play here, one, adjusted for inflation, the fees to take the exam are no different than the were in 1975 apparently, and two, certificate holders subsidize 1/3 of the ARE fees. the vignette software will be replaced, probably not soon enough for those taking the exam now, but they have engaged a new vendor. in fact, they are even looking at if the graphics portion of the exam is the best way to test competency.
NCARB is also looking to make the licensure process a bit more uniform across the country; it's too damn complicated. they are trying to provide more value to certificate holders. they are offering amnesty to those certificate holders who have lapsed certificates, and are capping the penalty at 5 years.
NCARB is also trying to put the hammer down on architects/firms that do not provide interns with the necessary experience required to complete IDP.
The assembled staff was accessible, apologetic and earnestly trying to demonstrate that they were here, and actively listening to the member concerns. They provided contact information, and stayed as long as needed to answer specific questions.
It appears, at least if you believe the words, NCARB is doing some heavy lifting here, trying to change a well deserved black eye, but again, time will tell. Of course there will be individual cases of crazy shit going on, but I heard enough last night, that led me to believe that people were listening for a change.
Now, if my state can just get rid of our licensing board exec director, then everything will be okay in the world.
if they're allowing the ARE to be taken earlier, there still has to be some structure for requiring internship experience. whether that's IDP or not, i don't know. but a whiz kid who can pass the ARE directly out of school is NOT ready to be registered, imo.
sorry, i sound old and cranky. but, well, maybe i am. i've seen a lot of green, wide-eyed graduates and they need some hours logged one way or another.
if NCARB cannot improve Intern Development, and get the licensed professional to engage on this issue, then yes, it deserves to go, but IDP has been around in some form since the 70's and it's not going anywhere anytime soon.
i agree with Steven. currently, in MN, you can take all the exams before completing IDP, but you are not considered an architect until you complete IDP.
it seems that there are multiple paths for getting this done, and they seem to be tring more things, and getting away from the bunker mentality.
all positive things, cautiously optimistic i am.
I actually disagree that they should expand the things that count for IDP so much that competitions, research, and higher ed should count. I actually agree with the idea that practical (in the sense that it literally means: practice) knowledge needs to be layered onto an architectural degree before one is ready to actually practice architecture. I don't disagree with expanding options some given the harsh state of the economy but I would like to see it expand in the direction of construction practice: work as a plumber's apprentice, do some rough framing, take the courses at the trade unions, that kind of thing. THAT is MUCH more applicable to producing a better designer / architect than a competition, which is essentially the same thing as what you do in your studio courses in school already.
IDP was frustrating for me because all my time working during school didn't count, which was bullshit (I worked every single summer, and christmas, and during most of my semesters part time, for the same 2 firms so it was a fairly continuous work experience). I was not allowed to report a single hour of any of that. It sounds like they're addressing this issue which makes me happy.
But otherwise I don't disagree with the main purpose of it, which is (in theory) to expose potential architects to the stuff they didn't learn in school. Totally agree with Steven that fresh grads with no work experience DEFINITELY need to be instructed in lots. Not just how a drawing set goes together, but lots and lots of CA experience. In my view, what makes the single biggest difference in quality between two intern architects with the same degree and length of work experience is how much of that experience came in CA. THAT's where everything finally clicks together for an architect.
do they still ask people whether they've seen a project through from start to finish? That was the hot question back when I graduated, and I can definitely see the reason. To expand on what manta said or put my own spin on it, CA experience is great but doing CA on a project that you were the designer on is something more. Seeing how your decisions played out, knowing which ones were deliberate and which were off-hand and why you did everything, and seeing where you were right and where you missed something, is infinitely more valuable than doing CA on someone else's designs, where you can just attribute every issue to another designer's stupidity.
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