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Friday Diversion: Sh!tty Developer Work

The image below is the main living space of a townhome development near me. The red circle is the towers of downtown Indianapolis. The photo doesn't capture it, but it's a very lovely view, especially at night. And the view will never be obstructed, as this end unit townhome looks over a retention pond and then straight down an east-west corridor street right to the city. 

Somehow at no time along the site planning, street layout, and construction process did anyone think "Hey if we put a big window here it will have a great view to downtown and be a selling point!" Instead the unit has the same stupid high horizontal window (useful for *blocking* a bad view but still letting in light) and a huge picture window looking right out onto the street, the townhomes 40' across the road, and the speed limit sign.

Slapping my damn head. 


 
Jun 28, 24 8:58 am
The_Crow

What a missed opportunity for all. Greater value for the developer and a greater lived experience for the inhabitant. 

Jun 28, 24 9:09 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

Donna, a simple answer could be a proximity issue to the property line.  Even though there may be nothing built next door, fire-spread rules via unprotected openings often dictate the max allowable window coverage.  We have some very very high-end condos on the books at the moment and we had a very hard time convincing the client that we can't do all glass because of this issue.

But it also could be just bad planning.

Jun 28, 24 12:36 pm  · 
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JonathanLivingston

Fire rated glazing assemblies exist but are expensive.

Jun 28, 24 1:34 pm  · 
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Non-, you are giving these developers entirely too much credit for being able to think beyond “this is how we did it before and we made bank”

Jun 28, 24 1:37 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

Jon, I'm well aware of those and have used them before... although not in an exterior application. There are also a bitch to get up here in the frozen dirty Canadian communist tundra even if you can spec an acceptable frame/glass.

Jun 28, 24 3:39 pm  · 
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JonathanLivingston

A heavy lift for sure.

Jun 28, 24 4:16 pm  · 
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Almosthip

Mass produced, cost effective repetitive details are what developers want.  There isn't a second thought to the end user.  Just maximizing the land to mass ratio. As soon as you deviate from the cookie cutter plan things become expensive quickly for them.

Jun 28, 24 1:10 pm  · 
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JonathanLivingston

20 bucks that was deemed the "TV" wall too. Hopefully an opportunity for a future homeowner modification. Sometimes sfr reno work can be really pleasing when you find things like this. 

Jun 28, 24 1:33 pm  · 
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BulgarBlogger

It probably was designed by a builder who didn't care or wasn't trained to consider that. 

Jun 28, 24 1:52 pm  · 
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It was probably a design-build contract and the architect had to listen to the developer/builder.

Jul 1, 24 10:02 am  · 
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Wilma Buttfit

Many times I’ve said something along the lines of “and with a window here we can capture this amazing view.” and everyone looks at me like I’m a GD genius while they mutter something about how they never thought of that. If you can’t squeeze a profit out of it in the way they think it works, it doesn’t register to these people. 

Jun 28, 24 2:08 pm  · 
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Wilma Buttfit

Ahem where does a view fit under the 3 main headings of fast, cheap, and easy??? You work too hard Donna. :)

Jun 28, 24 2:10 pm  · 
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The famous 3-legged stool becomes a 4-legged one: fast, cheap, easy, and shit.

Jun 28, 24 3:40 pm  · 
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betonbrut

I think it is Fast + Cheap + Easy= Shit

Jul 1, 24 1:35 pm  · 
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whistler

Well the simple answer ( at least in the developer's mind ) is no one is going to pay more for the unit if I put in a bigger window! Problem is he's probably wrong, developer's inherently expect a pretty low bar for people buying a new home and don't make the effort but much of the time folks will spend some more for something a  little nicer or unique. Sure as a rental i can see not spending more than you need to but as a market unit more sophisticated builders / developers often recognize that a premium can be made with a little more design effort.... good design doesn't have to cost more to build but bad design can cost you a lot more if you F it up!

Jun 28, 24 6:12 pm  · 
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Immigrant Developer

The architect or designer for the permit set didn't open their eyes. 

Jun 28, 24 6:45 pm  · 
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midlander

only architects and rich people care about views, in my experience. this development targets neither.

Jun 28, 24 6:59 pm  · 
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smaarch

Unfortunate happens every day in this business.....unfortunately.

Jun 28, 24 7:53 pm  · 
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greenlander1

either a dumb developer or architect who couldnt explain that this view could be more profitable than the little window.

or couldve been the developer's PM who didnt want to deal w the hassle of figuring out this problem (which is the most likely case)

Jul 20, 24 12:40 am  · 
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