What's your personal take on shared full bathroom spaces vs private full bathroom spaces.
For example, some residential designs do not have master/primary bathrooms. Instead it's just one large bathroom with a large sink area, shower, and tub, and a separate toilet closet.
And then others have the typical private full bath for master/primary bedroom and shared full bath. See floor plan examples below
Shared Bathroom Example Below:
Private Bathroom Example Below:
Pros and Cons
Pros / Cons for Shared Bath (+) Less fixtures (+) Centralized location (+) Allows more space to be allocated to other rooms (-) Lacks privacy (-) Possibly not enough fixtures (Wait for shower, toilet, sink)
Pros / Cons for Private Bath (+) Full Privacy (+) Can utilize wetwall adjacent to shared bathroom (+) Provides additional fixtures (-) increases upfront cost of fixture count (-) increases floor area and walls (-) additional MEP systems required.
lol! I wish. Just curious to get other architects' opinions. I actually used to work in Japan and they had lots of shared bathrooms due to lack of space and cultural leanings (they really emphasized the bathtub location). But working in the US, complete opposite, they really love their own bathroom spaces, not even a separate toilet closet.
I enjoyed when I lived in Vienna that we had a bath/shower in the apartment (in the kitchen, honestly) and the WC outside the apartment, in a compartment in the corridor. Every apartment had their WC outside the unit, in the shared corridor. This made more sense to me, to keep the waste portion separate from the bathing activities.
Jun 15, 24 1:54 pm ·
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bowling_ball
I visited Villa Savoie earlier this year and it was... a strange setup. Toilets were in their own tiny rooms, complete with door handles (but no way to wash your hands?). Then the bidets were basically exposed in the washrooms / bedrooms, without a door separating anything. As much as you can tell that hygiene played a huge role in the design, it's mostly figurative hygiene, not the kind that deals with bacteria and viruses, apparently. It felt very, very odd.
The WC absolutely has to include a place to wash your hands!
Jun 15, 24 11:43 pm ·
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Non Sequitur
That’s what the tank if for Donna. Very few people know of this life hack. On that note, a friend of mine lived in Lyon, France, and their toilet was in a tiny closet across the hall from a large bathroom. Sure, plenty of space in the other room for a throne and there was no sink with the toilet, but who’s going to argue with the French? The place also had orange carpet on the walls.
An early version of a sewer system in Europe, possibly in France. What about 4 bedroom 5 bath or more in real estate listings? Certain cultures have their favorite pastimes and rooms...
I've been designing and/or building homes and renovations in New England for 35 years (starting in high school) and I can count the number of clients who did not consider a dedicated master/primary bathroom to be absolutely essential on one hand. I, however, and my immediate family members have never had a dedicated master/primary bathroom and somehow we have survived.
Primary Bedroom Suite gets a minimum 5-fixture private bathroom (large shower with 2 heads, freestanding tub, two lavatories, one toilet in a separate WC room).
Secondary Bedroom gets its own private 3-fixture en-suite bathroom (tub/shower, lavatory, toilet all in one room)
Guest Suite Bedrooms get their own private 4-fixture en-suite bathrooms (tub/shower, 2 lavatories, toilet all in one room)
Additional bedrooms share a two-compartment 4-fixture bathroom (2 lavatories in the first chamber, toilet and tub-shower in the second) up to three bedrooms per shared bath.
Higher-end homes do not have shared bathrooms. They are all "en suite" - every bedroom gets own own private bathroom.
Also note, related to this, that standard American cultural practice is for doors to always swing IN to the more private space from the less private space. The rest of the world doesn't really do that (e.g. in Europe and many parts of Asia, front entry doors swing out, while in the USA they always swing in). That has a significant effect on bathroom layouts for residences in the US.
Jun 20, 24 2:08 pm ·
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reallynotmyname
For us, an en suite for every sleeping room is the goal when space and budget permit. Some additional spaces like a home office or game room may also have their own adjacent baths with a w/c and sink. Very few people in the US will say "my house has too many bathrooms".
We also have individual laundry rooms in addition to ensuite washrooms in most bedrooms.
Jun 20, 24 3:06 pm ·
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Wood Guy
You guys are designing for a wealthier clientele than I am. Most of my projects are under 2400 sf; a large house for me is 3200 sf, with construction costs around $400-500/sf. We can't afford the space or cost of all those extraneous bathrooms and bathtubs that don't get used.
WG, that's true, we are at 1000-1200/sq.ft. and over 5500 sq ft often. Just got a call from a client cancelling today's meeting because he couldn't land his plane with the weather.
Sorry - I can't compromise my clients' privacy; but it doesn't take a lot to determine that the above image shows a snip from what appears to be a construction document plan with too much information on it that is both a disaster in terms of graphics and organization / hierarchy of content. Looks like someone sitting in their basement banging out a drawing for some exorbitantly low fee who took no pride in the work they do.
Your Personal Take on Residential Bathroom Types
What's your personal take on shared full bathroom spaces vs private full bathroom spaces.
For example, some residential designs do not have master/primary bathrooms. Instead it's just one large bathroom with a large sink area, shower, and tub, and a separate toilet closet.
And then others have the typical private full bath for master/primary bedroom and shared full bath. See floor plan examples below
Shared Bathroom Example Below:
Private Bathroom Example Below:
Pros and Cons
Pros / Cons for Shared Bath
(+) Less fixtures
(+) Centralized location
(+) Allows more space to be allocated to other rooms
(-) Lacks privacy
(-) Possibly not enough fixtures (Wait for shower, toilet, sink)
Pros / Cons for Private Bath
(+) Full Privacy
(+) Can utilize wetwall adjacent to shared bathroom
(+) Provides additional fixtures
(-) increases upfront cost of fixture count
(-) increases floor area and walls
(-) additional MEP systems required.
when is your homework due?
lol! I wish. Just curious to get other architects' opinions. I actually used to work in Japan and they had lots of shared bathrooms due to lack of space and cultural leanings (they really emphasized the bathtub location). But working in the US, complete opposite, they really love their own bathroom spaces, not even a separate toilet closet.
Is it really a bathroom if there is no bath?
Shitter room.
I enjoyed when I lived in Vienna that we had a bath/shower in the apartment (in the kitchen, honestly) and the WC outside the apartment, in a compartment in the corridor. Every apartment had their WC outside the unit, in the shared corridor. This made more sense to me, to keep the waste portion separate from the bathing activities.
I visited Villa Savoie earlier this year and it was... a strange setup. Toilets were in their own tiny rooms, complete with door handles (but no way to wash your hands?). Then the bidets were basically exposed in the washrooms / bedrooms, without a door separating anything. As much as you can tell that hygiene played a huge role in the design, it's mostly figurative hygiene, not the kind that deals with bacteria and viruses, apparently. It felt very, very odd.
The WC absolutely has to include a place to wash your hands!
That’s what the tank if for Donna. Very few people know of this life hack. On that note, a friend of mine lived in Lyon, France, and their toilet was in a tiny closet across the hall from a large bathroom. Sure, plenty of space in the other room for a throne and there was no sink with the toilet, but who’s going to argue with the French? The place also had orange carpet on the walls.
Manual sewer systems
An early version of a sewer system in Europe, possibly in France.
What about 4 bedroom 5 bath or more in real estate listings? Certain cultures have their favorite pastimes and rooms...
Sometimes you pee
Sometimes you poop
Sometimes with glee
Sometimes with soup
I've been designing and/or building homes and renovations in New England for 35 years (starting in high school) and I can count the number of clients who did not consider a dedicated master/primary bathroom to be absolutely essential on one hand. I, however, and my immediate family members have never had a dedicated master/primary bathroom and somehow we have survived.
I love bidets. On the subject, I did this for a 6 kid bunk room a couple of years ago
paired showers for kids? seems more adult... or is it just two showers for a single?
yes, it was a weird request, didn't dig further.
Damnit my poem was funny
Good effort, anyway. ;-)
Our program standard is something like this:
Higher-end homes do not have shared bathrooms. They are all "en suite" - every bedroom gets own own private bathroom.
Also note, related to this, that standard American cultural practice is for doors to always swing IN to the more private space from the less private space. The rest of the world doesn't really do that (e.g. in Europe and many parts of Asia, front entry doors swing out, while in the USA they always swing in). That has a significant effect on bathroom layouts for residences in the US.
For us, an en suite for every sleeping room is the goal when space and budget permit. Some additional spaces like a home office or game room may also have their own adjacent baths with a w/c and sink. Very few people in the US will say "my house has too many bathrooms".
We have done a couple of primary bedroom suites with His and Hers bathrooms, make up vanity and soaking tub, like this one
We also have individual laundry rooms in addition to ensuite washrooms in most bedrooms.
You guys are designing for a wealthier clientele than I am. Most of my projects are under 2400 sf; a large house for me is 3200 sf, with construction costs around $400-500/sf. We can't afford the space or cost of all those extraneous bathrooms and bathtubs that don't get used.
WG, that's true, we are at 1000-1200/sq.ft. and over 5500 sq ft often. Just got a call from a client cancelling today's meeting because he couldn't land his plane with the weather.
Yeah. I should have qualified that. Our typical homes range from 3600 to 4500 sq. ft. But we build them all the way up to around 8000-9000 sq. ft.
Wood Guy - your budget for a single family residence is often greater than the budget for my commercial work.
wow, the image above represents awful drafting.
Well bless your heart.
Care to show us some of your drafting so we can learn the good way?
Sorry - I can't compromise my clients' privacy; but it doesn't take a lot to determine that the above image shows a snip from what appears to be a construction document plan with too much information on it that is both a disaster in terms of graphics and organization / hierarchy of content. Looks like someone sitting in their basement banging out a drawing for some exorbitantly low fee who took no pride in the work they do.
You could post up a 'snip' of a drawing and show us how it's supposed to be done without compromising your clients privacy.
Try and behave like an adult.
Here's an example, snipped so it's anonymized.
Not sure what the yelling is about... but this is the most info I'll put in a drawing. Screen shot for in-progress washroom plan.
my take on a washroom layout
Much better!
Here:
Now this is helpful and productive!
NO JACK&JILLS!!!!!!
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