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x-jla

is anyone following this topic?  Anyone as excited as I am about the upcoming report?

 
Jun 1, 21 2:09 pm

Odd.  I can see your posts. Thought I blocked you.

Must be the aliens.  Oh and they are calling them UAP's.  Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon.  

Jun 1, 21 2:12 pm  · 
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You are able to see the first post in a thread created by a blockee. It's a design flaw.

Jun 1, 21 7:49 pm  · 
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curtkram

I'm looking forward to seeing what comes out of this.  My guess is the Anunnaki are returning.

Jun 1, 21 2:14 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

I can’t wait for everyone who jumped to their narrow conclusions to be thoroughly disappointed. 

Jun 1, 21 2:43 pm  · 
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x-jla

I hope it’s aliens. I’d be more worried if the Chinese or Russians have some tech that is exhibiting these alleged capabilities

Jun 1, 21 4:05 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

"When you hear hoofbeats in the night, look for horses — not zebras."

Jun 1, 21 4:27 pm  · 
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Unless you’re in the Serengeti ...

Jul 22, 21 3:00 pm  · 
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I'm expecting to see a lot of space junk.  The cool stuff will be the various black box aircraft that get glimpsed.  

Aliens wouldn't waste their time visiting us.  To get here they would need to possess technology so far advanced that it would be god like.  It would be like us sailing across the Pacific to study an ant hill on a remote island.  

Then again, the 'aliens' that visit us could be the rednecks of galaxy.  That would explain all the probing.  

Jun 1, 21 3:23 pm  · 
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JLC-1

I can tell you're not so much into science fiction

Jun 1, 21 3:43 pm  · 
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x-jla

We literally sail across the pacific to study ant hills on remote islands...*see Darwin

Jun 1, 21 4:03 pm  · 
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I'm into a lot of science fiction. Also fantasy and historical fiction. You know what they all have in common? They're all fiction. :P

Jun 1, 21 4:40 pm  · 
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JLC-1

you may enjoy more it if you stop being so tied to this planet and its "laws"; not everything in the universe has been explained by humans, heck we don't know what's beyond a couple hundred light years. As a side, a good chunk of technological advances have been dreamed by "fiction" several decades before they became a reality.

Jun 1, 21 4:55 pm  · 
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You misspoke. 

 NOTHING in the universe has been explained. We have some theories about it though. 

 I'm rather open minded and enjoy scifi a great deal. Like any fiction the science bits don't need to make sense or be accurate to be fun to consume. I'm talking about the big things like faster than light travel. Folding, warping, bending space time. Suspended animation. Wormholes. Transmission of consciousness to new bodies. It's all fun to read about an could become possible in the future. Small junk like you're referring to such as communicators, lasers, computing, AI. All the stuff that have made huge gains in the last 50 years. That's kid stuff.

Jun 1, 21 5:34 pm  · 
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JLC-1

alright, let me suggest a book (or 3); the three body problem, by cixin liu.

Jun 1, 21 5:45 pm  · 
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Already read them.

Jun 1, 21 6:07 pm  · 
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Chad, I also have j-lax set to ignore, but for some reason I can see this. Maybe because s/he posted a topic, not just a comment? Or maybe it's...ALIENS?

Anyway, as my favorite skeptic podcast hosts always say: there's a very good reason why all of our photos of UAP's are blurry: because every *not blurry* photo of something in the air is easily identifiable as *not* aliens.  I'm not saying there's no other life in the universe; I'm saying none of what humans *have* seen in the sky can't be explained based on a clear pic.


Jun 1, 21 4:00 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

maybe the loch ness monster is also blurry... and so is big foot, and so on.

Jun 1, 21 4:02 pm  · 
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Oh, maybe you're right. They're not out of focus, they're just focused in a way that our brains can't comprehend, got it! I guess I believe in aliens now. And Bigfoot.

Jun 1, 21 4:04 pm  · 
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rcz1001

Don't even need photographs. We can make radio-controlled models doing what I just said below to x-jla (on a smaller scale for proof of concept). Governments with their resources can make budget for the R&D of full-size flying saucers. As I said to x-jla, I am not convinced advanced intelligent life capable of interstellar travel is going to be visiting this back world planet. If they can travel star systems, I think they can see what we are without having to go into the atmosphere and once they realize we are backworld primitive idiots, they aren't going to be hanging out here. If they came, they also left already. What interest would they have in us? What would we be able to offer them anything of interest to them?

Jun 1, 21 4:53 pm  · 
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curtkram

donna, i think what's fun about this will be it's not just blurry photos. it's top-end military tracking systems, looking at not just visible light but heat and such.

Jun 1, 21 6:52 pm  · 
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x-jla

Why do you assume that they have to be able to travel light speed? They could have a longer term civilization with longer term goals...say they are from 10 light years away, if they can manage 1/10 light speed (possible with solar sails), it would take them only 100years to get here. Their civilization could be millions of years old...sending AI drifting around the galaxy for future generations...I don’t know why this is such a taboo idea. The universe is enormous, and if we are it, that would be very very odd.

Jun 1, 21 7:00 pm  · 
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rcz1001

They would need to build something akin to an artificial planet that can move if they are going to travel all that distance. At light speed, that's a simply velocity of 186,000 miles per second. 1 light years is a distance unit in which light travels in a single year. if they could get a space "ark" to travel light speed, it would take 10 years to travel 10 light years. However, if the planet you are visiting was 10 light years when you started, you may have to travel a little more than 10 light years to reach that destination. However, if you can't get to light speed but maybe up to 100 miles per second.... currently we are traveling with space probes around 10 miles per second. 100 miles/second would be about 360,000 mph. 10 light years of travel distance would take 18,600 years. If the stars are moving apart as they appear and star systems are moving about 0.05% of speed of light to 1% of the speed of lightspeed. Over 18,600 years, the stars may have moved 9.3 light years to 186 light years. This means if they are moving away from us, it might be impossible for a ship to arrive at that destination. You have to plan a path that will vector you to where the star would be and have to compute a trajectory path to reach the planet. You'll probably need to be traveling at 2,000 miles per second (7.2 MILLION miles per hour). Lets consider what I said about push and pull factors. What is driving them to leave their star system? What pull factor do we have on this planet that alien life in other star systems would want with this planet?

Jun 2, 21 2:12 pm  · 
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x-jla

Who says they are biological

Jun 2, 21 2:14 pm  · 
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x-jla

Your thinking like a human. A self replicating AI could move around the galaxy at decent speeds that don’t require any bending of space time (not saying that’s not possible, but it’s not required) as long as their short term monkey reward system is turned off.

Jun 2, 21 2:18 pm  · 
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x-jla

For millions of years...drifting around at modest 1% light speeds...dropping proves in solar systems as they whip around suns...rebuilding...replicating...etc. we have concepts for light sails that can do 5% light speed...imagine a civilization hundreds of thousands of years more
advanced?

Jun 2, 21 2:21 pm  · 
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x-jla

*probes

Jun 2, 21 2:22 pm  · 
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x-jla

“ 18,600 miles per second
Solar sails have a maximum speed which is 10% the speed of light, which equates to 18,600 miles per second or, 67,100,000 mph. Solar powered spacecrafts are able to travel faster than conventional rocket fueled spacecrafts due to constant light pressure being applied to the sail propelling it forward.”

Jun 2, 21 2:23 pm  · 
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x-jla

10% actually I guess

Jun 2, 21 2:24 pm  · 
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rcz1001

Solar sails at 10% of the speed of light..... you know that is not even proven.... at least humans haven't proven that.

Jun 2, 21 6:07 pm  · 
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x-jla

It’s been proven to work mathematically. The science is pretty clear on that.

Jun 2, 21 6:46 pm  · 
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x-jla

Slowing it down and getting it to land from what I understand is pretty much impossible...but what if that thing just zips from star to star dropping little AI drones in solar systems...it’s conceivable that a civilization thousands of years more advanced than us could pull that off...without having to rely on novel technology like bending space time or antigravity.

Jun 2, 21 6:48 pm  · 
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x-jla

Avi loeb is convinced that oumaumau was a solar sail type ship

Jun 2, 21 6:50 pm  · 
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rcz1001

Anything is possible with a computer simulation. The numbers maybe correct in theory of theoretical maximum but will the solar sail be able to survive at that speed or will it just get shredded up. Real material and real tests needs to be done. Until then, it calculated bullshit.

Jun 2, 21 7:18 pm  · 
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x-jla

Rick, these are physicists. They know more than you. Solar sails have been proposed and studied for a while. The physics is clear. It’s material science that needs to catch up to make it a reality, but it’s not that “out there”. That’s just relying on basic stuff. Aliens may have far more exotic technology and propulsion that would like like magic to us. Imagine going back only 1000 years to the Middle Ages with a F-16? It would look impossible to people back then. In another 1000years same will be true. Human technology is still in its infancy.

Jun 3, 21 11:45 am  · 
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rcz1001

Of all the materials on the periodic chart, not a single one of them will structurally hold its atomic bonds at that speed especially passing through even a field of hydrogen gas, you're material will just shatter apart at the atomic level.... basically, vaporizing. This is why making matter move at light speed or even 1% of light speed is proven to be possible. Can an advance race be able to devise a solution like a deflector shield that is talked about in Star Trek. Something like it would have to be invented and your ship will have to travel in an absolute vaccum of material. Sadly, even the space between stars in the galaxy has too much mass density. As I said, we haven't proven it with anything real and that is why it is still in the category of calculated bullshit because it is calculating with things that only exists in Science Fiction as far as human technology goes. We don't have anything like a deflector shield. As you said, its a material science matter. Guess what, that's part of physics and the physical sciences. SCIENTIFICALLY, we don't have anything remotely capable of what you are talking about. I do agree that an advance technological life on another planet capable of interstellar travel may have a solution. We already calculated with every known material on the periodic chart and none of it would survive going at such speed through a field of atoms which at THAT speed would be like running into a flake of paint at 1 BILLION miles per hour or if the paint flake was propelled at you at such speed. This is why even getting out into space, now, is dangerous because even small material travelling at 17,000 to 18,000 miles per hour would be like a bullet impact. At the speed, you are proposing, it will be even worse. It's like travelling through flak at speeds over 1 million miles per hour. The flak at relatively low velocity will shred you to pieces. Same principle. Space within the galaxy is not a true vacuum. What would happen if you collided into a pebble size rock. At that velocity, it will obliterate your space ship. It may do likewise to an alien ship do you need to deflect the materials and space debris/rocks around your ship. Otherwise, you are literally going to die if even one molecule size object collides.

Jun 4, 21 2:58 am  · 
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x-jla

I think it’s alien drones, personally.  

Jun 1, 21 4:04 pm  · 
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rcz1001

I think those alien saucers are hard-shell "dirigible" (formed into an aerodynamic shape profile) where they use bladders of helium chambers filled with a lighter than air gas in order to establish near buoyancy where the upward force of helium gas is neutralizing the weight of the craft (not the mass... the mass is unchanged but while the force of gravity pushes the craft down but helium can neutralize that with an upward force. The craft doesn't have to be lighter than air. You can employ enough helium to reduce a drone craft's weight of say.... 3 tons to say 150 pounds on a scale. Yes, the craft will drop without use of the engines but with enough helium to with a lifting force of say 8,850 pounds can negate the 9000 pounds of the craft so smaller motors are needed to lift the craft off the ground and get it up in the air. If you neutralize the weight even further with using helium to increase the uplifting force to 8,990 pounds, the weight of a pilot or human being inside the craft would only be minor. If you use modern-day flight controllers used for a regular ol' drone, this.... now.... 10 pound craft with helium would be easy to get up in the air with very modest motors. Helium is basically the "antigravity" solution used. We could do this in the 1950s with a simple electronics for Radio Control system manipulating servos. You can basically use an electric blower system much like used in electric powered leaf blower with opening and closing exhaust ports. That is how the U.S. government can implement a flying saucer drone in the past and present. I am not convinced intelligent life on other planets would be visiting this backworld planet. I'm confident that there is life on other planets in the universe but not convinced they are visiting us. It makes for nice sci-fi but I'm more convinced these UFOs we are seeing are projects being developed by companies like Boeing, Lockheed, Hughes, MacDonnell Douglas, etc. for the U.S. government and similar companies in other countries.

Jun 1, 21 4:46 pm  · 
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x-jla

Listen to David Fraver. They recorded these things going from 80,000 ft to 50ft above sea level. Multiple Trained fighter pilots, radar data, and video evidence all

Jun 1, 21 7:02 pm  · 
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x-jla

In a sec

Jun 1, 21 7:25 pm  · 
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rcz1001

Duh..... top secret projects that would be unknown to trained fighter pilots.... duh. If they aren't assigned to such classified projects, they aren't suppose to know anything about such projects or the very existence of such projects. That's the whole idea behind security level clearance. Classified projects are by rule, the government is neither going to confirm or deny the existence of such classified project or any details thereof. Do you think the flying saucers are for military? What about CIA and other operational units within the intelligence and national security apparatus? Those flying saucers are classified projects of some human design for a government entity be it U.S. or a foreign entity. They are designed using known and established aeronautical and/or aerospace principles including versions that also can go below water. Why do you think they retired the SR-71? The government is not going to disclose through confirmation or denial of any such projects. They are going to simply leave it to people to make their own conclusions. Even air force pilots, as well trained as they are, are going to know about anything above their security level and approval. There are different levels of top secret and if you knew anything about this stuff, you will know that such information is on a need to know basis and why would they be in a need to know basis? I am not saying there isn't any alien race on other planets. The things is, if they are that advance, why would they need to come to Earth. Something else you might not be aware of is the cold war between U.S. and the Soviet was to keep not only China at bay but the FOURTH REICH from forming from the "ashes of" the Third Reich..... formulating in South America and other locations. As you may noticed, the Germans were developing a flying wing craft and possibility of other designs beyond that which may include a flying saucer. Why do you think I say that the idea of aliens visiting Earth is flawed? Lets take for example that we have a telescope in space called Hubble Telescope and terrestrial telescopes of considerable capacity to see things far away. Don't you think aliens would not have even more advance telescopic displays capable of seeing what is happening on the surface of Earth. We have spy satellites that can read the writing on a cigarette butt from outer space. Don't you think they can't do the same from further distance? What the pilots saw were UFOs as in unidentified flying objects because they could not identify it. The craft is not on the database of aircraft types on their cockpit computers and those computers was unable to identify because it's a design not in the database. Top secret crafts would not be on any such computers..... as they are classified. Think about it. Even the SR-71 was an unknown craft that was not identified by military pilots that were not part of SR-71 development and therefore would not be able to identified.

Jun 1, 21 8:23 pm  · 
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tduds

NYer had a great long article about this the other week.

https://www.newyorker.com/maga...

It's less about UFO's themselves and more about the people who subscribe to (and against) various UFO theories. Pretty great history.

Also probably not aliens.

Jun 1, 21 4:55 pm  · 
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I enjoyed reading this.

Jun 2, 21 7:58 pm  · 
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Reference the Drake Equation, which tells us that intelligent alien life exists and that we will never, ever meet it. 

If the nearest intelligent alien life is 200 light years away they won't even be able to find our first radio waves for 100 years.

Not to mention the rarity of intelligent life here on Earth.

Jun 1, 21 8:07 pm  · 
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rcz1001

I wouldn't even worry about Drake's equation because you can't necessarily compute probability of some advance race choosing to explore the universe much like we chose to explore the planet. While I agree with you that the likely chance of aliens visiting us is low and staying even less. Even if aliens passed by our planet in the past, they would have found that we are of no viable interest. We are primitive and we would not have anything they would care about. We haven't done anything in space that would draw them to come here. I would take the geographical principle of push and pull factors in the geographical landscape of the galaxy. 

What push factors would they be having to come here? 

What pull factors are we and this planet would be to the aliens ?

What would be the push and pull factors of interstellar migration?

These questions must have an answer. We don't know. Regardless, no rational life of any kind with ability to reason is going to go exploring the galaxy without some factor. There's a factor that drives our mission to Mars and exploring the solar system and we are only on the very early days of space exploration. They may be a million years ahead of us.

Jun 1, 21 8:32 pm  · 
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curtkram

ok guys, the aliens aren't running around the universe trying to find us.  the old gods came from the sky and modified the dna of our pre-human ancestors to create a slave race.  they've always been here. 

Jun 1, 21 8:43 pm  · 
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rcz1001

That would be an ancient alien theory. They may not actually be on this planet but could be living on a moon of one of the planets that may have an atmosphere they need. Lets not assume that intelligent life must breath our atmosphere. Another possibility is time travel or inter-dimensional travel. This leads us into the many theories you may find surrounding quantum physics. I don't know how they would do it but opening inter-dimensional portals to other dimensions where life and circumstances were different. We have yet to know or understand these things. Another possibility is it isn't aliens but another type of life of intelligent capacity that lives under water. So who knows. We know less about the ocean than we know about the moon and solar system we live in between the sun to Pluto. If another species of life existed on Earth and are more advance than us, it could be a race on the planet that predates human kind and actually live in the oceans. They may have been thought to have lived in space but in fact live in the ocean deeps far from human life on the surface. Then they aren't aliens as in they aren't extraterrestrial.

Jun 1, 21 8:58 pm  · 
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curtkram

we pretty much know there are dimensions outside the space-time we experience. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z91oGI5aP0A i think this was explained to us a few thousand years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G28qHASOtE8 sort of like, krishna's form is his existence in the multiverse (which is where we all are, but we don't experience), outside of space-time where everything that has been is, and everything that will be is.

Jun 1, 21 10:19 pm  · 
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rcz1001

We have religions and beliefs. Sure. However, I am not convinced all those so-called "UFO" sightings of the 20th century and 21st century are that of extraterrestrial origins. I think they are (mostly... at the very least) clearly of terrestrial origins namely..... ones with MADE IN THE USA somewhere on it, in it.... whatever. Some that maybe of U.S.S.R. origins.

Jun 1, 21 10:44 pm  · 
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x-jla

Based on the analysis that I heard, if the military instruments are correct (not giving false readings) these things are far beyond what our current technology allows for. One govt official said this it 1000 years beyond what we are capable of. G-forces that would tear out best planes apart. Moving between air and water. Etc. I’m keeping an open mind...

Jun 2, 21 11:27 am  · 
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rcz1001

Let me explain something to you. What you know, the government has already is decades further along. We already had a working flying saucer in the year 1950. A flying saucer (for example) is basically a wing profile around a 360 degree circular form. An appropriately designed structural shell can handle 1,000,000Gs when you top that off with material like carbon nanotube technologies more advance than you even heard of. These newer UFOs are not piloted. Project Aurora that we designed as an aerospace reconnaissance drone. This being the so called "Aurora" plane that flies at hypersonic. This replaced the SR-71 aside from spy satellites. Now, in a saucer or similar designs where you use induction blowers and distributed "exhaust" ports where the craft can rapidly change directions at near 90 degrees. Technically it isn't doing perfect 90 degree turns but are actually doing something close to it that from observation, it will appear that way. The structural stress would be optimally distributed around the body shell. The flight controller board would need to be protected from cracking under the G-force. You would encapsulate the controller in an incompressible fluid or something that can not compress. Another thing is, the craft doesn't need to make the turns at its hypersonic speed. It just needs to rapidly decelerate and make vector changes of it's direction in an X, Y, or Z axis. It can rapidly accelerate and decelerate and with a jet chasing it at supersonic speed may be seeing an optical illusion. Regular fight jets can't make the maneuvers. Actually, the jets can theoretically bank at higher velocity than what the pilot can take in G-forces before it would structurally fail. A craft that is intentionally designed for hypersonic flight is going to be designed so it can take stresses many times higher than a conventional jet. We have been seeing hypersonic crafts for over 40 years..... like the space shuttle. Why would you think humans can't engineer the structural frame of said crafts with higher structural stress capacity. We already can do that with the science we actually have proven and engineering principles. A craft that will not be piloted by a pilot inside the craft is going to be able to be designed in ways that doesn't have to concern itself with limiting g-forces to what humans can handle. Don't underestimate human ingenuity. What that was was a CIA drone project in that video testing pilots who were not aware of the existence of such things. Those that are in the know.... isn't going to confirm or deny on record of any kind about the existence of any kind of classified top secret projects that are so classified that the POTUS would not even be authorized to know because the POTUS is a civilian not one of the "company" men and women that are part of the top secret classified projects. The engineers that works on such project are sworn to secrecy and works at classified locations and they do not go home.... ever. One thing they have to sacrifice in being part of such programs is normal life and relationships. They may even be officially declared dead and are under a new identity. They have to voluntarily give up civilian life because of what they know.

Jun 2, 21 1:50 pm  · 
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I'm not reading that. Kindly shove off.

Jun 2, 21 2:40 pm  · 
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Stanislaw Lem wrote a story (in The Star Dairies) about how mankind evolved from rancid garbage that some inebriated alien blew a booger into and dumped on Earth in passing.

That inspired Roadside Picnic by Arkady and Boris Strugatsky, on which the film Stalker by Andrei Tarkovsky was based.


Jun 1, 21 9:13 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

a stray booger seems too generous. I'd say it's more like a deliberate dumping following a 3day tacobell bender.

Jun 1, 21 9:17 pm  · 
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JLC-1

there's a new tv series called "debris", same plot of roadside picnic, I haven't watched yet.

Jun 2, 21 12:30 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

super duper secretive ufo revelations and mass vaccine distribution... coincidence or related? Ummmm, keeping an open mind. 

Jun 2, 21 11:35 am  · 
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square.

i guess politics has become too terrestrial.

Jun 2, 21 11:46 am  · 
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They just need a new distraction, everyone is tired of Kim Kardashian's ass.

Hey look - aliens!

Jun 2, 21 12:41 pm  · 
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curtkram, regarding this comment: "donna, i think what's fun about this will be it's not just blurry photos. it's top-end military tracking systems, looking at not just visible light but heat and such."

In this episode Mick West debunks the military videos that we've seen *by using their heat signatures* and such. Skip ahead to 57:15 for his interview.

https://www.theskepticsguide.o...

And I should clarify: I'm like the skeptic hosts here. I would be SUPER EXCITED and super curious if we found reasonable evidence of aliens! It would be interesting and exciting and wonderous, if maybe also terrifying, but I'd love it! I'm just not getting my hopes up.

Jun 2, 21 12:56 pm  · 
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x-jla

Mick West is a Dick

Jun 2, 21 1:07 pm  · 
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x-jla - shut up. Most of us have blocked you.

Jun 2, 21 1:33 pm  · 
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curtkram

I think Mick West started with the conclusion he wanted and cherry picked an explanation to support that conclusion without looking critically at what he's observing. i doubt the government is going to release alien autopsies or anything like that, but i think there there are aerial phenomenon that honestly do not match the behavior of weather balloons or any vehicles we have in America. that doesn't necessarily mean it's not terrestrial, but there are things we don't understand out there.

Jun 2, 21 2:08 pm  · 
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x-jla

Exactly. The whole idea of a “skeptic” is ridiculous and anti scientific. It’s a belief. Scientific inquiry should be objective

Jun 2, 21 2:26 pm  · 
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x-jla

My thread Chad

Jun 2, 21 2:27 pm  · 
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curtkram, I honestly do agree, and I really hope there is something juicy and mind-blowing in this upcoming report! But I'm skeptical, and it's a huuuuuuge leap from "we don't know what this is" to "it's aliens".

Jun 2, 21 2:37 pm  · 
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tduds

Skepticism is the continual questioning of belief, not a belief. It's the basis of scientific inquiry, not anti-science. What are you on about?

Jun 2, 21 2:57 pm  · 
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x-jla

There’s a difference between skepticism and “skeptics”. Skeptics start with a bias that some thing must not be true and set out to disprove it.

Jun 2, 21 6:38 pm  · 
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TIQM

Mick West has said clearly, and repeatedly that he’s not saying they aren’t aliens, that they aren’t exotic technology. He’s simply saying that the videos posted, which so many people are saying are proof of something exotic, are easily explainable as artifacts of the imaging systems used. And his arguments are quite compelling. And nobody in the “UFO True Believer” community wants to address his arguments directly, because they soooooo want this to be real.  They either say, “there’s more evidence, which has not been released, and which I’m not at liberty to discuss, which corroborates our take’, or they say “Mick West is a dick”.  Neither is a good argument.  Follow the science...tell us why West is wrong.  

Jun 3, 21 12:19 am  · 
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x-jla

Top people from

Jun 3, 21 11:31 am  · 
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x-jla

govt positions are saying that the vids released are not even the tip of the iceberg. Supposedly they have video of craft from 50’ away. Radar evidence shows swarms of craft in military airspace “every day for 2 years”. There is lots of data and credible eye witness testimony showing these things doing maneuvers that are beyond anything we could do, and doing it without typical propulsion. They used the data to figure one craft exerting 700 g’s, which would tear any known man made object to shreds. These kinds of leaps of technology don’t happen that quickly. The stealth bomber was advanced, but clearly still a plane obeying the laws of planes. These objects appear to be something else. They don’t behave like planes. At some point the most logical hypothesis has to be either aliens, or many incompetent military people and multiple radar and data collection failures resulting in some collective delusions every day for years from many countries and locations. I’m going with aliens. And yes, I hope it’s aliens. I’m biased towards aliens, because it would be fucking cool

Jun 3, 21 11:40 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

Imagine being so naïve that this ^ is enough to jump to what is obviously a pre-determined conclusion. Having something(s) or perhaps some video glitch thing in a video(s) and then trying to rationalise how it could be aliens if they did X, Y, Zee is a poor jump to conclusion and honestly; it's more evidence for the lack of imagination of the believer(s) than anything else.

But then again, some still think talking to a fictitious random carpenter's son will help them win the lottery... or that gun ownership is a good thing.  Nonsense everywhere you look and squinting at the issues is definitively not going to help.

But I'm sure this will help sell t-shirts near Roswell. 

Jun 3, 21 11:56 am  · 
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x-jla

It’s not a conclusion, it’s a hypothesis. You may have not looked into the subject and seen as much data as some people coming to this hypothesis have. These are not glitches. In one case, you have infrared video from a top of the line military jet/camera, combined with 5-6 highly trained pilots testimony, combined with prolonged radar evidence. Aside from that the military is saying that there are tons and tons of better footage and evidence that’s classified. But just from what’s been released, That’s 3 data sources that would have to all be wrong
for this to be a glitch.

Jun 3, 21 12:07 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

But it also could just be a horse. You're not looking at this front a standing still start. You we're already in full jogging mode.

Jun 3, 21 12:09 pm  · 
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x-jla

The universe is enormous beyond comprehension. To think that we are the only technologically advanced civilization with an itch to explore is silly. There is nothing in physics preventing this from being real. “ The number of stars in a galaxy varies, but assuming an average of 100 billion stars per galaxy means that there are about 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (that's 1 billion trillion) stars in the observable universe!” We are not special.

Jun 3, 21 12:13 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

^I agree and never said we were alone. It's just spectacularly unlikely that it's aliens given the scope of the situation. So anyone trying to reverse engineer video to fit this alien narrative is bound to be disappointed. Again, it's likely to just be another horse.

Jun 3, 21 12:21 pm  · 
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TIQM

The dilemma here is that the only released data are the infrared camera videos. Everything else is military and ex-military saying that there is other information, but it's second-hand and hearsay. What we have seen is the videos, and everything supposedly unusual in the videos is convincingly explainable as artifacts of the imaging systems used. If there is additional evidence, I hope it is declassified soon.

Jun 3, 21 12:37 pm  · 
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x-jla

If it acts like a horse, then horse is a good hypothesis...if it’s doing shit that horses can’t do, then you have to entertain a different hypothesis. These things were clocked by multiple military instruments going from 80,000 ft above sea level to 50 ft above sea level in 1 second. We don’t have a machine that could survive that kind of acceleration. If it moves like a horse it’s probably a horse, if it moves like a ufo...maybe it is one.

Jun 3, 21 12:38 pm  · 
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x-jla

But, yes I’m definitely guilty of ufo bias...I want it to be true...it would be fascinating

Jun 3, 21 12:40 pm  · 
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TIQM

This conversation between Mick West and Luis Elizondo is really interesting. Elizondo, who is ex-military and was formerly involved in UFO research for the government, seems like a legit guy. But he literally has no refutation whatsoever of West's arguments.  None, except to say, "there is more information which shows these things are unexplained and exotic, but it's classified and I can't share it with you.  Trust me."

Jun 3, 21 12:40 pm  · 
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TIQM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eozxt_HnPu4

Jun 3, 21 12:59 pm  · 
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TIQM

Again, the problem, X-jia, is that people keep saying that these things are doing unexplainable stuff, but there is nothing unexplainable in the video evidence that's been released. If there is evidence beyond the videos, let's release it and we can all evaluate.

Jun 3, 21 1:03 pm  · 
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x-jla

Watch the end. It accelerates away pretty damn fast. This is from the tic-tac sighting where several pilots saw this thing..radar tracked it...and it even jammed the radar of one plane (act of war)

Jun 3, 21 1:13 pm  · 
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x-jla

Not saying it’s aliens, but it’s aliens

Jun 3, 21 1:13 pm  · 
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TIQM

Here's a pretty solid analysis of the Nimitz video by West, where he shows that the sudden motions are a combined artifact of the relative trajectories of the two aircraft and the camera systems. Where is West wrong? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1di0XIa9RQ&t=1s

Jun 3, 21 1:50 pm  · 
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TIQM

Elizondo had absolutely no substantive refutation of West's conjecture, other than to say "there's more evidence than you have access to".

Jun 3, 21 1:52 pm  · 
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x-jla

That’s consistent with what Harry Reid has said. The evidence released doesn’t even scratch the surface of what they have. Why would Harry Reid lie about that?

Jun 3, 21 2:09 pm  · 
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TIQM

I don't know. Release the material, and we all can evaluate it. This reminds me of Bigfoot. All sorts of video "evidence" and "eyewitness" accounts, but the actual available evidence always falls just short of anything definitive.

Jun 3, 21 2:27 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

Ah yes. Invisible evidence. Th good old carrot on a stick. Keep chasing it, well give it to you eventually. (Morgan freeman narrator voice: no they won’t.)

Jun 3, 21 2:38 pm  · 
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x-jla

June deadline to release their report. We’ll see I guess.

Jun 3, 21 2:43 pm  · 
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randomised

Never seen a UFO personally or know anybody that did, so I simply put UFO’s in the god category as not proven/not existing.


How come the footage available (of UFO’s) is always unsharp, always blurry, always in desperate need of pixels while we can see the hair on a cosmonauts ass when taking a shit aboard the International Space Station with our iPhones pointing at the sky?

Jun 2, 21 4:38 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

Is that what you do with your free time? Maybe consider another hobby... or least better photography subjects.

Jun 2, 21 4:44 pm  · 
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randomised

taking photographs of hairy cosmonaut asses in space as seen from earth is my day job and it pays for me doing architecture...

Jun 2, 21 5:48 pm  · 
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Q: Do you believe in unicorns?

A: No.

Q: Why not?

A: Because I've never seen a unicorn.

Q: Do you belive in God?

A: Yes.

....

Jun 2, 21 7:50 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

I believe in joe Pesci.

Jun 2, 21 8:49 pm  · 
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midlander

I've never seen Miles or NS...

Jun 3, 21 2:28 am  · 
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[que X-Files theme]

Jun 3, 21 9:32 am  · 
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x-jla


This guy lol 

Jun 3, 21 1:15 pm  · 
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x-jla

Utsuro-bune.   Look at the markings (hieroglyphs)  from this 17th century drawing.   There are many more similar ones from Japan.  Compare to those of the supposed landing at the Rendelsham forest military base in 1980 and accounts from Roswell.  

Jun 3, 21 2:13 pm  · 
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x-jla

The coincidence is too odd.

Jun 3, 21 2:14 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

I see a martini and several drink making tools. Are you saying aliens know how to make good cocktails?

Jun 3, 21 2:39 pm  · 
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x-jla

They will need a good stiff drink when they finally decide to land on this shit show planet

Jun 3, 21 8:44 pm  · 
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curtkram

non, i can get behind aliens with good cocktails. and aliens with taco trucks. to be honest, if they don't bring taco trucks i'm probably going to be disappointed.

Jun 3, 21 8:58 pm  · 
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This is funny


Jun 3, 21 2:23 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

Pffff... way to play the game on easy mode.

Jun 3, 21 2:39 pm  · 
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x-jla

He keeps returning to the same bar complaining about how much he doesn’t like it. Makes no sense

Jun 3, 21 2:45 pm  · 
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x-jla

Go find another water cooler, Chad. Or, create your own.

Jun 3, 21 2:46 pm  · 
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Whenever I see an ignored post by x-jla I imagine the inane crap that poop gibbon is posting. .

Jun 3, 21 3:36 pm  · 
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randomised

And all that about someone you're supposed to be ignoring ;-)

Jun 3, 21 6:03 pm  · 
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x-jla

He loves me.

Jun 3, 21 8:43 pm  · 
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rcz1001

In this world, there are many hypothesis and theories. For example, there is a theory that the COVID virus was bioengineered from natural coronavirus that exists and was done at a lab in or near Wuhan district. Theoretically, plausible. However, I would let legitimate processes determine the truth like actual evidence from a proper investigation. 

In the case of alien life's existence, I do believe is plausible and most likely exists. However, for them to visit us is a much smaller odds than mere existence of life on other planet. We have to use legitimate processes to investigate the facts, determine the legitimacy of the arguments of any theory proposed. I would let science and evidence determine. If alien life have visited us, what is it? Is it advance complex life forms like humans or beyond? Is it just microbiological life? 

What is most plausible is likely going to be the case. Is flying saucers extraterrestrial or are they human made at the limits of human understanding of aerodynamics and other bodies of science known to man. Right now, China can make a fully functional remote controlled flying saucer for under $10. The larger it is, the more it would cost but we can do that. The same flight controller electronics in the same size and scale of the kind used in drones the size of a playing card in footprint can be used to fly a drone with the radius of a 747. Now, think about that. 

My grandfather worked on the kinds of projects for the government that was classified due to his knowledge in metallurgy and material science. If you bring the minds of different bodies of knowledge together with aeronautical engineers, we can certainly put it all together to make a fully working flying saucer.  The joke we saw in the Avro car was in fact an intentional joke. No serious aeronautical engineer would have made a flying saucer like that. they would know the uplifting force of the engine/motors needed to move an objects of a given weight. If you can't lift the craft's weight with engines small enough, you could potentially offset the weight of the craft. You can choose to use lighter material. That would help by reducing the weight but we already known for awhile the capability of lighter than air gas to lift a craft. You don't need to be lighter than air but you can reduce a lot of the weight and then use engines that can give it the necessary thrust or propulsion force to move the craft up, down, or any other direction. The Avro car did technically work but its weight without helium or hydrogen bladders inside the cavity spaces inside the craft, might have made it be able to get off the ground. Replace humans with a computing apparatus would make such things work even better. How much computing power is really needed? Actually, not that much. Even the computer doesn't need to be on the craft but some system that feeds the sensor data to a ground-based computer and using transceiver radio technology and the ground-based computer can then control the craft remotely through transmitters much like we been doing for RC planes. I think it is much more plausible that humans made these flying saucers and other UFOs we have been seeing..... at least most of them. 

The biggest problem with aliens coming here in the first place at any point in time is.... what does Earth have that would be a draw or needed that much by aliens from another planet? We have to know why before we can seriously contemplate the theory of them coming here. Yes, it's theoretically possible but why come here? It's like the underlying principles behind migration. People aren't going to go to some place unless there is a push or pull factor or both. I would reason any and all lifeforms with intellect comparable or more advance than any life on this planet capable of space travel is going to have some fundamental reasoning principles. Would you go to some unknown world? What would drive you to do so? Think seriously if this was going to be a real situation brought before you. Would you accept such a mission? If you did go and arrive here? Would you stay? Like would you who live your life in the high-tech fast lane of life suddenly give that all up to live on a planet where the life barely can make tools out of rocks, bone/wood, and fiberous plants. Would you stay or would you get the hell off this planet as quickly as possible?


Jun 4, 21 4:47 pm  · 
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rcz1001

Sure it would be "exciting" to know that we are not the only so-called "intelligent" life in the galaxy or universe. It is unlikely that we'll find that answer for some time, still. I am not convinced yet that what we have seen are extraterrestrial.

Jun 4, 21 4:50 pm  · 
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Still thinking about this. This image is supposedly significant. But the caption says it's "clearly oblong shaped" like that is proof of something. But it's not "clearly" anything. It's a blurry dark splotch. It might be an oblong, but it might not be. 

Jun 7, 21 8:08 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

It's a hockey puck.

Jun 7, 21 8:22 am  · 
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In one of Stanislaw Lem's stories Prix the Pilot chases a blip on a malfunctioning radar screen halfway across the solar system.

Jun 7, 21 8:47 am  · 
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Non, I believe you; as you are a Canadian I know you know a hockey puck when you see one.

Jun 7, 21 11:00 am  · 
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curtkram

so the info has been released.  they didn't say "alien," and they didn't release the alien autopsies or recovered metal from crashed aircraft, but they were pretty clear that the smart people analyzed this stuff and they don't know what it is.  what do you think?  US black budget projects?  foreign interference?  do you think what the recorded was terrestrial in origin?

Jun 25, 21 7:40 pm  · 
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x-jla

I think it’s alien drones.
Jun 25, 21 7:51 pm  · 
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rcz1001

Top secret US black budget projects and those of other nations aren't the kinds of stuff that investigators reviewing this will be in the know. They may be intelligent but they won't know what they don't know like things that are on the cutting edge because that info is locked behind secrecy that even the President of the U.S. would not even know about or certain public figures in other countries because of their public figure status. Presidents are civilians of the general public and national security apparatus and the national security act mandates that some things are so secret that even Presidents can not know about it until they have reached a status of no longer needing to be that top secret because it's outdated because of the even newer stuff. We developed a drone craft that is hypersonic in the 1980s and testing during that time and into the 1990s and this is now in service because while satellites are replacing some crafts, these hypersonic crafts can get more enhance resolution and even capture data and information including audio and RF transmissions that are not transmitted out into space and by being able to fly in the atmosphere and in space. The goal here is the same as Predator and Global Hawk but at hypersonic, so it can go deep into hostile territory and outrun any SAMs around and get the "data"/intel and be gone before anyone even knows it. It is for these stated reasons that the SR-71 was retired. Publically, they stated it was because of satellite technology but it is not just satellites that is the reason.

Jun 25, 21 8:02 pm  · 
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midlander

it's the zookeepers checking the temperature of our cage. they noticed it's overheating.

Jun 25, 21 9:39 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

...ask McAfee

Jun 25, 21 10:04 pm  · 
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RCRA

Gentlemen: New user wants to comment on one of the small aspects of the UAP “things”. That aspect is whether they are ours, in the world sense, or from somewhere else. Since the first credible sighting was in 1947 by Kenneth Arnold, the advanced (to us) technology was mature at that time. However, I do not believe that any society or government could have kept it secret for 74 years at least. Someone would have used it to their advantage in a war. There is no evidence that I recognize that indicated anything like it was used against some other country. Remember that Germany was working on the atomic bomb at the same time we were, but they failed due to the limited resources they could apply while losing in Russia. My opinion of history. China was a backward country then and Japan had limited resources except for young men willing to die for their Emperor. In summary I think the question of whether the UAPs are from a country on this earth or outside. Outside does not include our solar system where we have explored to a significant degree. But that is not a given in my estimation and needs a collection of more information.

Jul 10, 21 8:58 pm  · 
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rcz1001

Yet, they were working on jets and had zeppelins and were very familiar with the various sciences. The flying saucer or whatever back in 1947, while the aerodynamic design were interesting considering they were probably cutting edge but it is based on already known understanding the aerodynamic flow of a wing but instead of uniaxially apply that principle in 360 degrees in the shape of a circle. Just like we took the understanding of lamella roof for a barrel vault roof and then apply that in the shape of a dome. Now, you can make a flying disc wing craft. Now, we already have known by late 19th century radio-controlled aircraft. By WW II, we have already had 'drones' ("radioplanes"). It's really just a scaled-up version but we can already with powerful transmitters at the level military and government are authorized to do that will be able to fly a flying disc drone with miles. At that time, none of the flights was necessarily supersonic or hypersonic. Now, with airship technology, you can use helium to neutralize the effects of gravity. With a craft, you have the mass and gravity. With lighter than air gas, you'll have a force pushing against (opposite) of the force of gravity. With enough, it's like any other balloon. If you don't put enough to completely neutralize the weight of the craft, it won't be lighter than air but even if you neutralize 90% of the weight with helium, you will need very little engine power or thrust to get it off the ground. All you need to make a blimp move through the air fast instead of the notorious slowness you a familiar with the Goodyear blimp is a relatively rigid aerodynamic shell. We had aluminum and plastics already by that time. Bakelite in 1907. Thin aluminum and plastic and rubber membrane bladders are all we really need. I can make a small-scale flying saucer that is radio-controlled that would behave like any in 1947's report. A larger-scale version requires more financial resources for material but a government like the U.S., Soviet Union, and even the Germans were capable of this. With some careful design, I can control exhaust jets through a series of servos and using opening and closing ducts. We already had that technology in buildings for a long time well before that time. On a larger scale, the ducts would be relatively modest but just opens and close rapidly. Modern servos would be much quicker responding than they may have been in 1947. Using an engine based on centrifugal fan or compressor. Compressing ducts and open & closing doors that opens and close around the craft. Today, we would use a flight controller comparable to that used in little quad copters and can control such a craft with full automation with a computer the size of a watch. In 1947, this would have to be pre-thought out and some hardwired circuits so the correct group of ducts are opened and closed for lateral movement and for vertical flight. Why can't some intelligent group of people come up with a flying saucer and make one work with the already established technology and knowledge. A little money and a few could be made and tested. It's called research and development for a reason.

Jul 11, 21 4:50 am  · 
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randomised

Gentlemen?

Jul 12, 21 2:00 am  · 
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JLC-1

Is this a bot?

Jul 22, 21 12:35 pm  · 
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Volunteer

When I was a kid I saw three suns together high overhead in a triangle. Over a period of about an hour two of the suns faded. A local physicist explained the phenomena in the local newspaper. It had to do with ice crystals in the upper atmosphere and the angle of the sun. 

In training military pilots a ground station can put an imaginary blip on the student aircraft radar and make the blip perform like an enemy aircraft. The student is not in a simulator; he is flying a real aircraft, only the radar return is fake. Point is all recent "radar' sightings can be pretty much discounted. 

Jul 11, 21 7:20 am  · 
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RCRA

They are called sun dogs and have been known for a .long time. But always only 2 extra, I think.

Jul 11, 21 9:26 pm  · 
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RCRA

The well- informed dissertation on saucer shaped aircraft is irrelevant. Arnold never said the objects were saucer shaped. That came from a reporter’s interpretation. I quote from The REALL News, May 1993, available via Google. Arnold said, "Well, they flew erratic, like a saucer if you skip it across the water." I cannot vouch for the credibility of the source, but it appears they had access to the reporter’s story. I admit to some concern about the report of them going 1200 mph when the Arnold plane was going less than 200 mph. It would seem that there is hardly time to count to 9 in the short time span available. The answer is probably an estimate since Arnold had no way of measuring speed. And no sonic boom was reported.

 I can give some plausibility to the sighting, but none to the probability of their belonging to any country on earth.

For one thing the technology was mature enough to provide nine of the objects. The sighting was only 2 years after Germany surrendered. I suggest that the Allies from the war had better things to concentrate resources on than developing new technology and the Axis had no capability. Granted, the sound barrier was broken only a few months later than the Arnold sighting, but that was our ultimate technology at the time. And he went only 662 mph. In short, what was the point of doing that if we had a far more advanced technology? Again, this supports my very limited assertion that the objects were not from here.

Jul 11, 21 3:55 pm  · 
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rcz1001

Pretty much every shaped UFO where description of shape has been given by any counts or where there was some photographs that weren't blurry as hell or otherwise useless video recordings or photographs at night can probably be explained with something made by human hands. I pointed out how a real life flying disc shaped crafts. Even the triangular shaped ones can be explained and built using the same technologies and methods I had described aside from any sighting could be associated with the F117 especially when that craft was top secret and unknown to the public. The government of the U.S. and soviet had been developing and researching with state of the art designs, experimental designs, and so forth in top secret for well a long time, now. Especially since WW II. These projects are not disclosed to the public and the government engages in practices of neither confirming or denying for plausible deniability and misinformation because informing the public is informing the enemies because whatever is disclosed to us is available to the enemies without any measure to keep the information secured from enemies. If it was possible for disclosing to the U.S. citizens without disclosing to the enemies they would be disclosing to us. However, the enemies are within the U.S. as citizens. They are intelligence agents of foreign powers including those we are not politically on good terms with. They are either discountable accounts or they are top secret/experimental aerial vessels and now, vessels that can fly and submerge under water and move. Today, most new state of the art projects are in fact, future unmanned crafts which do not have to conform by design to limited g-force for pilots. They can now be designed so the craft can absorb much higher g forces and make tighter flight maneuvers. Piloted aircrafts must have limitations designed into the aircraft so it doesn't make maneuvers like sharp 80+ change in direction. Piloted air crafts are design so they have to make a curved turn or bank requiring a turn or banking radius at any given velocity so the air craft doesn't exceed certain maximum levels of Gs even with specialized suits that mitigates the g force felt. Unmanned crafts don't have to be limited by those constraints and that is why unmanned crafts can potentially outmaneuver any piloted craft that is possible.

Jul 11, 21 10:10 pm  · 
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rcz1001

We can discount the 1200 mph because there was no valid means of measuring speed which is from the eyes and radar wasn't quite good enough to really determine speed. How the person arrives at 1200 mph is probably discountable. The P-38 Lightning can do 600 mph. If you were going 600 mph and a craft was going your direction at 600 mph, how would the speed be perceived as the craft zips past your side. Who knows, could it been conflated from 120 Mph to 1200 mph? In which case, not very impressive speed would it? Is this speed truly a measured and accurate speed measured with lasers and precision time stamped readings with your air craft velocity as well which can then be computed or is it merely an optical illusion. His craft was at under 200 mph. We don't have data to substantiate anything.

Jul 11, 21 10:22 pm  · 
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rcz1001

Most UFO sightings seen in the U.S. and most of North America that are of a flying craft (other than an aerial phenomenon) are MADE IN THE USA. Some of them are for the CIA and special operations groups that are top secret that their official existence does not exist and that's for a reason. On the world front, as we get closer to the present, some of the UFOs are not strictly U.S. Even the Soviets have been developing experimental crafts that had been observed and were deemed UFOs and Russia is still in that business and there is also China and others. The means of developing drones is not that hard or that expensive especially for countries that are significant economic powers in the world. Even the UK today can make a flying disc shaped or triangular drone that can go supersonic and UK isn't as big of a super power that it once was prior to WW II. It is possible that even India could develop such a craft so lets not kid ourselves. 

These aren't extraterrestrial. 

E.T.s would have no need to go inside the atmosphere for any practical reason and they would be able to see things in great detail from as far away as 2 times the diameter of Pluto's orbit in the longest direction. They can easily stay in space and out of reach of us and listen to all the RF transmissions that radiate out from Earth into space. Pretty much all RF transmission frequencies that pierce the ionosphere. That's much of the TV transmissions going up to satellites. They can learn about us from distances halfway between Earth and Mars which places them outside our defense systems and can be difficult to detect even by astronomers. Then what's here on Earth that would of interest to E.T.s?

Jul 11, 21 10:35 pm  · 
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rcz1001

Earlier, discussed in this thread was a reference to swarms of these "UFO"s in military airspace. That should already tell you it belongs to U.S. or a comparable foreign nation of Earth. First, these bases are equipped with a particle beam weapon when there is a need. These devices are sometimes called "cyclotrons" or particle accelerators. These devices emit a beam that is at the speed of light and these devices would have a power plant capable of generating a beam that can cut a hole through a mile thick of steel in less than a tenth of a second. That's a powerful beam powered by nuclear reactor power plants. These bases have access to a supercomputing system the size of about 10 square miles. 

This supercomputer system can in real-time with real-time tracking sensors keep a tracking lock and pre-emptively project the location the craft will be in the next 5 to 20 milliseconds every 1 millisecond of time and that is exactly enough time to charge up the plant and for the beam to hit the craft 100% of the time within a few miles. Like you lead your shot to shoot a duck to account for the time the bullet travels, you take into consideration the time the particle beam takes to reach the intersection of the target and the beam. 

If it was an alien craft, the aliens would already know our tech as that would be old tech for them. They wouldn't even need to get into the atmosphere of Earth nor would anything about humans would be of any interest to an interstellar species just as much as you would be that interested in being around a planet full of primitives from 10,000 years ago. It would be a real shit hole planet to some highly advanced alien race and why in the world would they risk their stuff getting shot at by some primitive assholes who can't even get along with themselves. 

If we can't get along with each other fellow humans, how in the world can an alien race trust that we'll get along with them. They would see us as too dangerous to be in possession of their technology. We are too violent that we are irresponsible with nuclear tech and it is our very idea of using our technology to kill each other that it's a matter of time before we end up killing ourselves off.

The very fact that these are seen over our military bases, it is likely to be human-made tech made by human governments with these very inflated budgets like that $10,000 toilet seat. Really? Do you think we spend that much on something you can get from Home Depot for under $15-$60. I can see the $30-60 range for commercial grade heavy-duty toilet seats. Honestly, the government isn't going to tell you. Telling you is telling the enemy because for them to tell you they have to disclose information that enemies will get it by representing themselves as citizens. U.S. does likewise in other countries with ex-patriates undercover with what may appear to be a non-related mission while getting information. They do that to us. You know.... spy vs. spy. 

Intelligence is power. My grandfather worked for a government contractor that probably worked on some of this tech in the first place. Some that may still be classified. I'm sure that others have continued on that work and there is no reason we should even think we can't make something like what is reported. We can ignore speed unless it is properly measured. Visual observation is flawed. We can discredit them or simply only limit it to a potentially flawed observation because the speed can not be accurately measured purely by the eye and mind. It needs proper instrumental measuring to be accurate. You need proper instruments for accuracy otherwise it can and will likely be erroneous. 

I am convinced of the possibility of other intelligent life exists somewhere in the universe. I am not convinces that we have met and observed crafts that are from other planets visiting Earth. I do think that at least 80-90% of the sightings falls into one of the following:

1. misidentified object

2. aerial phenomenon of some kind.

3. U.S. or another foreign but human-based nation experimental craft such as an aerospace drone or a drone that can fly in air and also operating under water. 

4. blurry artifacts of shitty filming using equipment that isn't equipped properly for night shooting or otherwise, not proper equipment for photographing or filming the object at distance and/or under the particular lighting conditions.


Jul 12, 21 10:52 pm  · 
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elonorchoa

Should invest more

Jul 14, 21 9:20 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

i am also not convinces

Jul 22, 21 12:54 pm  · 
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All I see are big walls of text from Rick.  


That's actually what's keeping aliens away from this planet.  Stop it Rick. 


Jul 22, 21 1:36 pm  · 
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rcz1001

They don't want to come here because we would be shooting at them instead of being remotely peaceful. Wall of text is much lower on the totem pole of risks. We also don't have anything of interest. We're too fucking primitive for them. Only an alien paleontologist would even fancy coming here but preferably from a little distance until we are all dead and turned to rock by then.

Jul 22, 21 2:06 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

we're doomed

Jul 22, 21 2:24 pm  · 
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randomised

We’re not gonna make it, oh no, we’re not gonna make it... https://youtu.be/j4f6D7VTqII

Jul 23, 21 3:16 am  · 
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rcz1001

.... we are gonna make it after all.

Jul 23, 21 3:39 am  · 
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randomised

R, we’re only gonna make it if your statement is accompanied by a YouTube video...

Jul 24, 21 8:25 am  · 
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curtkram

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY

Jul 24, 21 8:46 am  · 
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x-jla

“Lenny Bruce is not afraid” One of my favorite REM lines.

Jul 24, 21 11:09 am  · 
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rcz1001

rando, the particular clip is already in the YT video you posted. No need to double post.

Jul 24, 21 10:33 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

I distinctively remember buying that PUSA album on cassette. Great link Rando...

Jul 24, 21 11:43 pm  · 
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randomised

Really Rick, totally missed it...but in all honesty PUSA made it after all...

Jul 25, 21 4:17 am  · 
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