There are people who attempt to build homemade rafts and risk death to escape. Sounds awesome.

I can't help or argue with you. Cubans I met, love their country.

You're not being smart, how are you still alive?

Really? The CDC is admitting that shelter in place won't stop or contain the virus. Yet we continue down a path with far greater consequences than the disease itself.

Yeah, really. Just stop.

You can cut numbers a lot of weighs, and you can use percentages (though yours are wrong), but we're talking about millions of people here. Can we save them all? No. Can we save a lot, yes. I for one think we should try.

I'm just going to leave this here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/

so instead of something stupid like building a hospital in 10 days, utilize existing infrastructure? we could temporarily re-purpose hotels as well. i'm more concerned about getting jobs for those in retail/ hospitality that are getting shut down, or a workable UBI test.

Exactly curt, we have already existing stock available, perhaps a cursory survey could track what is already available? Additionally, many commercial buildings may have wider corridors, or easily modifiable corridors, to accommodate beds and stretchers, where hotels likely won't.

I think hotels could be utilized to quarantine those diagnosed, but not requiring 24 hour care.

Georgia is already using hotels to quarantine folks.

https://archinect.com/news/article/150190199/school-soccer-field-in-king-county-will-house-200-bed-temporary-hospital-for-covid-19-patients

i've been working on r-2 occupancies, not r-3, but isn't fresh air ventilation still a requirement?

Most small scale hotels utilize through-wall unit ventilators, there isn't enough room to run a shit ton of ductwork to rooms.

MOA is ready and capable!

We can all work for him for $5.50 an hour. Beautiful!

I think June, and then we reassess.

We’re 5 days deep here and I’m noticing a lot more traffic since yesterday. I think boredom is setting in and folks are looking to resume normal lives.

Not everyone is distancing. It's being taken pretty serious here, everything is closed except grocery stores. Grocery stores are out of some things but still have plenty Things not in stores are flour, milk, eggs, tp, rice. China isn't seeing too many new cases so it took them what like 3 months.

i hear it's pretty bad in colorado. our grocery stores are running out of stuff for no good reason. i went yesterday and pretty much everyone walking out had toilet paper. did they shut down liquor stores like pennsylvania? i think i read new york agrees liquor is an essential service.

our gov delcared the need to keep booze going. it's still available and is now available for delivery. I think weed delivery is coming too.

i just heard a bar in omaha took over a food truck. they have liquor ice cream trucks now.

curt, that may be more important than hospital beds...j/k...our maybe not?

https://youtu.be/AQG6oUMQhKE?t=30

We’re being cautious here but nothing I know of has been put on hold or cancelled. We finally got our remote work from home set up on Thursday so it’ll be as close to business as usual for now.

Thanks for this post bowling_ball!

we've had a couple projects put on hold. it's entertainment, so their core business is shutting down along with restaurants and such. i'd like a better understanding of how this affecting different markets. residential and healthcare still seem strong. i assume retail and hospitality is hurting.

curt, i think multi-family will come back on-line, once the heat turns down. I'm in justice, so that would seem stable.

we do a lot of justice work. As far as I can tell, projects moving forward aren't interrupted. I don't know of anything new coming, but we're busy so if something did kick off we might not be able to staff it. I can't pop over the cubicle wall to ask what's going on with other teams anymore tho ugh.

80% of our work is in multi residential and health care. You were on to something, Curt.

Reinstated now ... strange

Nope. He's back I see his shit posts.

Yep. Running the gauntlet is tough on the psyche.

We're still in office, 8-10 person firm.

good read. we really need to stop consuming wild game.

no. Hunters are good and absolutely necessary. Don't eat deer with the wasting disease. Wet markets are probably not responsible for this viral outbreak, but they're bad and they need to be shut down.

Wet markets are TOTALLY responsible for this outbreak. These markets have species that are never meant to be together and consumed by humans. Sure, they have natural origins, but the wet markets is how they transferred to mankind.

Heres a good (if hard to watch) look:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7nZ4mw4mXw

https://www.vox.com/videos/2020/3/6/21168006/coronavirus-covid19-china-pandemic

I understand the need to not be racist at this time, but its important to understand that the culprit is humanity bringing these species together to consume them, not some vague construct of "these always exist"

we never started calling it wuhan coronavirus. https://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/notes/2015/naming-new-diseases/en/

Didn't realize WHO guidelines were "Chinese PR" now.

[puts on tinfoil hat] ... but who do you think got the WHO to make it their guideline?

archi_dude Trump just tossed my generation under the bus last night. Well most of us anyhow. I'm sure there will be some cocktail you can get for a million dollars so Don and his wealthy buddies get thru the thing. However guys like me we be 6 foot under and if not busted broke.

I've gotten flack for saying the same. It's unbelievable that Trump's supporters think he's doing a great job. We are living in different realities.

Most people are mediocre. Don't care what they don't understand. Thinking and speaking is for those qualified to do so.

The OSHA rule may it may not be true but PLEASE don’t fall for any conspiracy BS right now. If construction workers have grabbed some of those masks for themselves and families it’s perfectly normal behavior. Same with the toilet paper hoarding: when we hear of a shortage of something, our fear and self-survival instincts kick in and tell us we should get some of that thing. It’s slightly irrational but totally normal and absolutely doesn’t point to a high level conspiracy to create a shortage.

Donna, I’ve spent 2 days in children hospital last week and all the supplies (masks and gloves) are hidden because patients are stealing them from the nurses in triage. How often does material from site walk away? Not a stretch to see this with high demand safety gear.

We're fine on masks and no one has been taking them. And no, the reserves of masks were dwindled from the Californian and Australian wildfires last year. Also aside from recyclables that we encourage our workers to take and recycle and keep whatever they earn, material rarely walks off sites.

However, if we are forced to shut down jobsites, that will probably become a massive issue and we are gearing up security for it.

i'm guessing construction does continue. https://www.latimes.com/homeless-housing/story/2020-03-21/coronavirus-construction-california-stay-at-home

unless my local governments decide to follow boston's example, which would suck https://www.natlawreview.com/article/covid-19-coronavirus-concerns-prompt-two-week-halt-to-all-construction-boston

i'm just going to keep replying to my own comment. this group is mapping out where construction is being shut down. could be useful if they keep it up to date: https://www.constructiondive.com/news/mapping-high-impact-construction-across-the-us/551042/

Great find curtkram, many thanks. I thought Pennsylvania had shut down all construction?

Our office is working on designs for San Francisco projects. won't be ready fro const. for months anyway

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/To-keep-construction-moving-during-coronavirus-15146684.php

What factions?

Don't you watch movies? Like the people who are monitoring other people's behavior like those announcing that you can't walk on the sidewalk. Or those threatening with guns to protect their food and toilet paper.

Only ran into a few of those out here - mostly morons who don't know how to handle a firearm. Not the alt right people that live way out on their compounds - those nitwits are the reason I bought more ammo a couple of weeks ago.

In my neighborhood the dog walking has ramped up *considerably* - like, I see five times more people out walking dogs now than I ever used to. And everyone is being very neighborly and polite to one another, all from at least 20' away.

Donna, I heard the dogs shelters are low on inventory because they are experiencing record numbers of adoptions!

I have turned my dinning table into a drawing review station and noticed the same dogs pass by a few times this afternoon.

My pit keeps everyone at bey, unless Donna stops by, and then he sits on her lap.

it's also allergy season

I'm already on allergy medication.

With my allergies, if I do get the plague I probably won't notice the difference until I'm about halfway dead.

When I was self-employed I took every single one of these deductions. I also claimed every design magazine subscription, meal with a client, and pencil.

you would have to work from home most of the year, not just a month or two right?

You can prorate the deductions for the months you had a home office.

https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/home-office-deduction

from IRS Publication 587

You’re correct that it really only applies to self-employed people using a portion of their home regularly and exclusively for business. Even if I was self-employed, I’m working in my home office that doubles as a guest bedroom. According the IRS document, that’s not exclusively for business.

You better have high utility bills and home office renovation costs to itemize and use this deduction.  I believe the standard married filing jointly deduction is what, $24,800?

yes, and also a healthy dose of chinese propaganda thrown in there...

china is china. still though, they went through it first and it's best if we can learn from what they did there.

you mean this china... https://youtu.be/bpQFCcSI0pU

Volunteer, that's exactly correct.

"As a result of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA), for the tax years 2018 through 2025, you cannot deduct home office expenses if you are an employee. It's one of several changes affecting Schedule A (read about other changes here). Those changes are expected to be absorbed or mitigated by the doubling of the standard deduction."

For Many Taxpayers, Tax Reform Means No More Home Office Deduction - Forbes

"We've got some good news and bad news. The bad news? In years past, if you worked for a company (and received a W-2) but worked from home occasionally or full-time, you could claim a home office tax deduction. But not anymore.

"'There is a major change to the home office deduction: It is no longer available for company employees,' says Bill Abel, tax manager at Sensiba San Filippo in Boulder, CO. 'This has many remote employees frustrated.'"

How to Take a Home Office Tax Deduction When You Work From Home - Realtor.com

I don't doubt you but here is the current wording from the IRS https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/home-office-deduction

I see the current wording, I linked to it earlier. I'm just not sure it has been updated to reflect the changes made in the TCJA. That's why I also posted the flowchart detailing how to take the deduction from the IRS's document created for use when preparing your 2019 taxes. Conceivably, that document would reflect the changes. You can see from it that if you are an employee you don't qualify for the deduction.

In fact it's in the forms I've seen from HR Block and others.

This HR Block...?

"Note: Before 2018, employees could deduct unreimbursed employee business expenses, including the home office deduction if eligible, as miscellaneous itemized deductions on Schedule A. For tax years 2018 through 2025, tax reform has eliminated the itemized deduction for employee business expenses. Thus, employees may not claim a home office deduction for these years."

Home Office Deduction Requirements - HR Block

Wait, you mean to tell me that Trumps "Jobs" act screws workers? WHAT?!

Everyday, again that's weird, I mean it doesn't apply to me, but I distinctly recall those questions on the form. It's strange.

b3ta, I'll make roughly the same comment I made to gwharton in the COVID-19 layoff thread ... cite your sources if you can. I'm not trying to call you out as disingenuous or saying you don't recall what you say you recall, but without some type of citation or source material it's hard to take someone's word and assume it is correct when faced with multiple sources claiming otherwise. It's the same reason I'm skeptical of the IRS website Volunteer quoted. 

My gut thinks you recall it from a form prior to the TCJA going into effect. You could have seen it as recently as two years ago as you were preparing your 2017 taxes and it would have been correct. Even for 2018, maybe HR Block hadn't updated the form, but the professional preparing your return would have known to ignore it. Of course, I have no way of figuring that out for sure ... so take it only as speculation.

This should help clear up the confusion, it's a very specific instance;

b3ta, what's the source of that clipping?

From HR Block.

Thanks b3ta, it would be nice to have a link, but I understand if it is part of the tax prep software or something that wouldn't allow a direct link. No need to get all crazy with bibliographic citations like Rick would like.

Everyday, that's exactly the case. It's in the application.

Rick, calm down buddy. Go for a walk or something, staying 6 feet away from others of course.

Everyday, FWIW, it's part of the 2019 Q&A side panel.

Your business use must be for the convenience of your employer. 

I think the bold is instructive here. Not for your convenience, but your employer. I imagine they were getting a lot of people itemizing their spaces at home, but it was because they were choosing to work from home. I think that this is deliberately anti-woman, anti-parent, because much of the attraction for businesses is to offer telecommuting, as a method of employee retention.

You can no longer deduct home office expenses as an employee, even if the office is for the convenience of your employer. The instructions for the applicable form (8829) explicitly state that. The info on the IRS website regarding use of home office for employer convenience is unfortunately outdated.

Volunteer, so far we're in agreement, everything that has been cited seems to be self-employed forms, and not employer based. I think the deductible is similar to that deduction for mileage if the employer doesn't reimburse. Additionally, this forced telecommuting is definitely going to necessitate a change in the code.

Not to try and stop you from beating that horse ... also from that same webpage: “For a full explanation of tax deductions for your home office refer to Publication 587, Business Use of Your Home.”

Open the current version of Publication 587 and do a search for the word “employee,” “employer,” and “convenience,” and let me know what you come up with.

Once you've done that, open the 2017 version of the same publication and do the same searches to compare results. The reason I think it is still on the IRS website, is because (and I don't like that I'm saying this) as Rick pointed out earlier, the website is giving information for more than just the current tax year. So the text you keep coming back to is appropriate for tax years 2017 and earlier, but it doesn't apply for 2018 and later. 

I agree it would be better if the IRS would make that clear on the website, but to the credit of the bureaucracy, the IRS probably thinks they are being clear because they've stated that "for a full explanation [...] refer to Publication 587."

oh man, that's so sad. so bummed to hear that

That's really sad, I heard him speak about 20 years ago. Good man.

my county (Pitkin,CO) shut down construction too, until April 17. Who knows what's going to happen after that.

I heard that AIA was pushing to get Gov. Inslee to clarify architects as an essential profession. Is that in part what prompted the clarification? Note they are conspicuously absent from the list of included professions in his clarification. Apparently Inslee doesn't think architects need to be on site to run CA?

Not with the same frequency or rugularity thats for sure. But same could certainly be said about a number of things...

Nope. I have the whole « just woken up from under the overpass grundys jesus » look down.

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do I want to know what balkins said?

JLC, it's just balkins explaining his grooming practices in light of all the video conferencing he believes he's doing.

and when all this fails, remember that Walmart always needs front door greeters.  Also worth noting, Tony Robins is just another form of snake-oil salesman.  Perfect if you've easily influenced by low-effort platitudes and general statements.

I'm building an archery range in my back yard, dose that count?

http://architecture-lobby.org/project/t-a-l-covid-19-statement/?fbclid=IwAR29CnJtOCu3E7IQxdRn3xl6GoT1iZh2cex0kxKohyoM0me6s3yr08K1834

Also, the Architecture Lobby is taking similar data for how firms are responding: https://docs.google.com/forms/u/0/d/e/1FAIpQLSe3nDLM4MfyUyjXPSdOKOEtyFlJ6lgh_ZYu65f9_23sVgp4FA/formResponse

whyyyy

I did it because like covid variants that shit is getting smeared on all threads, at least here, we can try to contain, get herd immunity, and kill future variants.

There's no evidence that Sweden succeeded in Herd Immunity, that is a factually deficient statement.

Sweden 

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/no-evidence-low-covid-19-case-rate-in-sweden-due-herd-immunity-vaccines-dont-create-variants-the-blaze/

Another way to achieve herd immunity is through mass vaccination.

You've stated that you have natural immunity, for that to be true, you would've had to have all three COVID versions. Are you immune from the next variant?

I am seriously worried about your mental state. You need to leave archinect of your own volition. I have said everything I have had to say. Please take my advice. Calm down watch a movie or something.

It's every. fucking. thread with those two. It always gets pulled into a comically abstract debate about capitalism or covid. Just delete their accounts and let us have our forum back.

This thread was much better when we were arguing about tax deductions. How did that work out for all of you all that thought you could deduct your WFH expenses?

No, that quote is from two days ago.

No policy, is a policy.

unfortunately herd immunity doesn't work with a virus that can reinfect like COVID, it might work for the season but since those seasons alternate on our non-flat planet it will just come back the next time.

​The flu shot does not lead to myocarditis, which can be fatal or lifelong debilitating. There are manifold other side effects that have been observed from taking the shots. Many researchers have recommended that in no circumstances should children or women of child-bearing age be given the shots. Some European countries expressly prohibit children from receiving the shots. People who have the antibodies from previously having the disease and recovered have antibodies so they do not need the shots either.

Almost 95% of vaccine-linked myocarditis cases were mild, but one fulminant (sudden and quickly escalating) case was fatal. Surveillance occurred from the vaccine's market introduction, Dec 20, 2020, to May 31, 2021.

Again for the dipsticks in the room.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/10/covid-vaccine-related-myocarditis-rare-usually-mild-studies-say

Because a thing happens, does not mean it's fatal, or happening to a broad spectrum of people. 

It's rare, and recoverable.

N95 masks work. Vaccinations, work.

Myocarditis can be a devastating lifetime debilitating illness. There is no benefit whatsoever from injecting children with the COVID shots.

And a side-effect of COVID is death...I'll take my chances with those vaccines Volunteer ;-)

There is no benefit whatsoever from injecting children with the COVID shots.

stop posting (inane) opinions as facts - this is the problem with "debate" today.

And about masks, they're called N95, not N100(%)
"The results indicate that the penetration of virions through the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH)-certified N95 respirators can exceed an expected level of 5%. As anticipated, the tested surgical masks showed a much higher particle penetration because they are known to be less efficient than the N95 respirators. The 2 surgical masks, which originated from the same manufacturer, showed tremendously different penetration levels of the MS2 virions: 20.5% and 84.5%, respectively, at an inhalation flow rate of 85 L/min. Conclusion: The N95 filtering face piece respirators may not provide the expected protection level against small virions. Some surgical masks may let a significant fraction of airborne viruses penetrate through their filters, providing very low protection against aerosolized infectious agents in the size range of 10 to 80 nm. It should be noted that the surgical masks are primarily designed to protect the environment from the wearer, whereas the respirators are supposed to protect the wearer from the environment." https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16490606/

It comes as no surprise that archinects Venn diagram of general stupid and covid misinforming stupid is a circle.

"well this seat belt doesn't save lives 100% of the time, so i might as well not wear it at all."

“I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion, and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.”
STERLING HAYDEN - Brig. Gen. Jack D. Ripper

Yes random, a study done in 2006, which of course means, science stopped, research stopped, and we can never learn anything doing more research. Is that what passes for thinking? A random citation, from a guy named random?

"Only 2 cases per 100,000 vaccinees
In the other NEJM study, researchers looked at data from Israel's Clalit Health Services, which covers about 52% of the total population and is approximately representative of the country's socioeconomics and coexisting disease prevalence.

Overall, the investigators found 2.13 myocarditis cases per 100,000 people—again, about a 0.002% incidence—with the highest incidence in men 16 to 29 years old, where it was 10.69 cases per 100,000 people, or a 0.011% incidence (95% CIs, 1.56 to 2.70 and 6.93 to 14.46, respectively).

Out of more than 2.5 million vaccinated people 16 and older, 54 myocarditis cases linked with the Pfizer vaccine were identified, with 41 mild (76%), 12 intermediate (22%), and 1 that was linked to cardiogenic shock."

Volunteer I hope you don't put your kid in a car. Those things are deadly.

LOL

Please tell me you guys are doing this as a bit to pay homage to that video of Joe Rogan getting fact checked in real time on his podcast about his myocarditis claims, and not because it is such an apt reflection of what happens in every corner of the internet.

*adding clarification if it's not clear: the thing that happens in every corner of the internet is unqualified people using cherry-picked information to score ego points in useless arguments. It would be one thing if this was "medinect" or something, but AFAIK, none of us are medical professionals so maybe we should be listening to them rather than trying to be them.

BTW, I found a forum once for medical professionals and it was only open to licensed MDs who where adding their opinions on their focuses and specialties and it was amazing. Helped me find an answer to a question that was really pressing at the time and actually trust my doctor more. I wish I could remember what site it was.

Hey... if ya'll have so much free time... can I offload a few projects? Pretty simple tasks really, compensation is in experience, off course.

Yeah me too. I have three projects in the mountains of Colorado that need DD finished by the beginning of March. Not only would you all gain experience but I'd send each of you a case of Colorado beer of your choosing.

I'm going to form a union of forum posters to combat the blatant exploitation NS and Chad are trying to establish.

I'd join that union

You can't. You're obviously one of the manager/supervisor class. Sorry

I've already established a union to combat the exploitation that NS and I are attempting.

"Yes random, a study done in 2006, which of course means, science stopped, research stopped, and we can never learn anything doing more research. Is that what passes for thinking? A random citation, from a guy named random?"

what's your problem now? I show you the scientific evidence that the N95 filtering face piece respirators may not provide the expected protection level against small virions, and that's all you've got? The masks didn't magically become better because of time, or more research. It's a standard. They're using and advising what's readily and off the shelf available, knowing full well that it doesn't provide the expected protection level against small virions. But whatever dude, use it to your advantage, or not. While we are getting boostered ad infinitum some people in some parts of the world are still waiting for their first dose, COVID's here to stay, deal with it or whine and point fingers all the same. Cheers!

Do you think it's possible that we can agree on one fucking thing? That as evidence changes, based on science, our understanding of the world changes, and that perhaps, just perhaps something that may have been studied once, in 2006, may not be relevant to current 2021-2022?

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but that chart is largely bullshit.

doctors and nurses on the covid wards are double masking, using goggles and gloves, but go ahead…

Rando I'm not really sure what your point is.

why is it that when taken out of context, his statement makes even less sense. Of course they are doubling up, you stated it yourself; they're in COVID wards. Generally speaking the average person is not.

I'm sitting in a coffee shop, fairly well distanced, will put mask on when I leave.

As for the chart, I'm not sure what the concern is, it's from the CDC, and while yes, largely a generalization, it's also indicative of the larger point; N95 masks work.

I tried to find my initial source and it's buried somewhere in the annals of twitter. I'll be sure to post it if I can track it down but... 

1) Yes it's indicative of the point. 

2) I don't believe the CDC made the chart, I believe the CDC made some claims that the chart-maker extrapolated upon to make the chart. 

3) If I remember correctly they simply took one figure from CDC research and multiplied it by the level of filtering each type of mask provides. It's a mathematical extrapolation, not based in any kind of experimental data. 

4) My issue with things like these is that while they aren't "wrong" per se, they are inaccurate enough that skeptics can dismiss them and be correct, which undermines the larger point one is trying to prove. 

Not sure what you saw tduds, but this gets to many of your points I believe: https://www.cbs17.com/community/health/coronavirus/fact-check-are-you-reading-this-covid-mask-chart-the-wrong-way/

You're correct, the data is from the CDC the chart only seeks to distill the information in a readily digestible graphic. However, what I can glean from the chart, I'm the broadest way possible, is my relative safety based on some casual assumptions about my current circumstances. I don't read it and think, well if I attend a concert, I'm safe if I wear x. I'm just not going to concerts, right now, and the variable is everyone else, not me. I'm looking at my current activities, and making calls based on the conditions, environment I'm in at that moment. For example, when I need to go to the hospital, I'm wearing N95, Costco N95, coffee shop, cloth. Y, it varies.

Tduds, my point is they send us out shopping, to the office and to school with just a simple surgical mask recommendation or only a N95 mask, which is not enough protection against this virus as you can see the experts in full gear when confronted with a covid patient. But whatever, no point in beating a dead horse or throwing more pearls to the swine. If people think they’re protected enough like that and get sick and infect others, that’s not on me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

also would love to see a proper scientific test where they have a willing participant wearing an N95 mask for 100+ days AND nights...2500hrs transmission time ;-)

Talk about non-critical. Hey, how's that experiment going on in Amsterdam, with hair salons in music halls and museums? Is that another Dutch masterpiece?

my point is they send us out shopping, to the office and to school with just a simple surgical mask recommendation or only a N95 mask, which is not enough protection against this virus as you can see the experts in full gear when confronted with a covid patient.

that's not the only recommendation - masking is supposed to be used as the "last resort" defense; normal people, in everyday environments, who are not responsible for the intimate health care of other individuals, are also supposed to use distancing and ventilation, which have a greater effect in reducing transmission than masking alone.

again, the health worker example is a gross conflation; if it was your job to be within 1ft-phyiscal contact of people, who are known to be sick, all day long, then you better be wearing as much protection as possible.

you've got to be able to think more critically than this...

Maybe I'm some kind of supergenius but I've never found multivariable risk assessment all that hard.

Y'all wanna play some poker?

tduds, exactly. Which is why the Costco I go to, outside of Minneapolis, where people cover their pieholes with either all manner of covering, or none at all, has me doing N95, and my coffee shop in my hood, has me a little more flexible. Concerts, the one public activity I really miss, yeaaaah, not right now. Hoping for April...??

"Talk about non-critical. Hey, how's that experiment going on in Amsterdam, with hair salons in music halls and museums? Is that another Dutch masterpiece?"

What about that experiment that's not happening at all in Amsterdam? Nice diversion tactic though...

"that's not the only recommendation - masking is supposed to be used as the "last resort" defense; normal people, in everyday environments, who are not responsible for the intimate health care of other individuals, are also supposed to use distancing and ventilation, which have a greater effect in reducing transmission than masking alone."

Sure...as a costumer you are able to control the ventilation situation of a supermarket, or as an employee...dream on. "again, the health worker example is a gross conflation; if it was your job to be within 1ft-phyiscal contact of people, who are known to be sick, all day long, then you better be wearing as much protection as possible."

You don't need to be within 1ft for COVID-aerosols going from person to person and infecting people, with droplets yeah a bit of distance helps, with aerosols distance is not as important as proper, expensive, ventilation. "you've got to be able to think more critically than this..."

I'm not the one with the critical thinking issue.

"Which is why the Costco I go to, outside of Minneapolis, where people cover their pieholes with either all manner of covering, or none at all, has me doing N95, and my coffee shop in my hood, has me a little more flexible. Concerts, the one public activity I really miss, yeaaaah, not right now. Hoping for April...??"

But b3ta, I thought those N95 masks were safe and worked like a charm, yet you cover yourself like a mummy in a burqa to go shopping, guess you don't trust yourself what's apparently perfectly safe for others, seems a but hypocritical to me, but better safe than sorry, my point exactly!

Random, are you OK? Where did I say I wear a burqa? I wear, N95 at Costco, where they, and the city have zero mandates, and am manner of people are doing anything. Your reading of English is very deficient.

I’m okay beta, just misread your post, or perhaps you moderated your post after I read it, but probably not I hope. Anyway, no need to get your panties all twisted up like that unless you’re j to that sort of thing of course.

My pantaloons are fine. I'm just worried about you.

Thanks I’m fine, I just read different words than were written, all that 5D chess I’m playing on top of a kid refusing to fall asleep and another that was coughing and developing a fever I just wasn’t on top of my game…

I'm amazed at the amount of 'research' x-jla has been able to do on this. We've got organizations like the CDC that have spend millions of man hours on this subject but x-jla has managed to spend even more time and has a better understanding of the subject.

It's camouflage.

Watch a movie with your kids or take them to the park anything but archinect.

Who the hell spends time on Archinet when they're outside of the office?

God.

I'm trying to understand. Is it possible to win the lottery, if you bet on all the numbers, but on separate tickets?

So can’t stand it he delivered?

These articles do not conflict with what I posted. If you don't know how to read and interpret science articles you should not post them. Cherry picking with a non critical eye is not the way to do it.

true, the cherry picking of b3ta with his non-critical eye is not the way to go, or what do you mean z?

It's a news piece, I selected the caveat the CDC noted, because if you only read the headline, you get a skewed take. Oh, and all the citations selected by Jlax, are the same piece of writing, almost literally. So, the cherry picking, is not done by me, but by the one supposedly critical of msm.

These are not replicated, controlled experiments, they can be confounded on a number of variables, data indicates time, severity of infection, age can effect degree and length of immunity. Even if true asymptomatic transmission is possible. What does all that mean? Follow the guidelines by the CDC. If you don't know what they are Google them. You might find the myth section enlightening.

I'll believe the CDC over some landscape designer when it comes to diseases.

Weren't you going to take a break, xlax?

I guess you have to get the last word. Try this: Let me ask everyone's indulgence. You make the last reply specific to my comment on this post only. Everyone else can reply on other posts except this one. You get a last word and everyone else can continue on this thread. Please watch a movie with your family.

I'm at the office. Watching a movie with my wife and dog wouldn't be possible.

If x-jla posts something stupid and I see it I'll call him out on it.  

Troll score 3  (T3)

That was meant for xjla. Anyway he didn't take my advice.

yes - this demonstrates much more nuance than "There is no benefit whatsoever from injecting children with the COVID shots." and you even included a source (well - you mentioned it, but didn't provide a link). good job.

Good thing there's two other vaccines then, right? Also don't read the side effects of your medicatiion. You won't like it.

x-junkie coming back for one more hit

"1 in a billion risk of death is not fine" . . . .

T0.  Come on x-jla, you can do better.  Try harder

Why you won't go away?

We could all agree to ignore him and it'd be like he went away.

"No deaths are acceptable if something is forced. What don’t you understand?"

T0

Try harder little troll. 

T0. Try harder.

T0. Try harder.

lol no you don't. you'll be back.

Looking at things from a individualist liberal ideology instead of a collectivist communal ideology has worked out so well in the past: https://newrepublic.com/article/159662/libertarian-walks-into-bear-book-review-free-town-project

p.s. if you don't want to read it from that particular media outlet, just google it. Lots of sites to choose from.