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Will we really die?

Mar 18, 20 6:59 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

Probably.

Mar 18, 20 7:08 am  · 
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So what to do with money, car, house?

Mar 18, 20 1:04 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

don't panic, rely on savings (adulting is hard). work in an office that values staff so there is a contingency available, don't panic.

Mar 18, 20 1:05 pm  · 
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tintt

This is why we are supposed to have 6 months of living expenses saved up! Liquor stores and weed dispensaries are still open here. Priorities!

(I'm clinging to one job that is still paying, and paying well. Healthcare parts manufacturing facility.)

Mar 18, 20 9:43 am  · 
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Chad Miller

I find it odd that we're supposed to have six months of living expenses saved up but banks and the airlines require bailouts.

Mar 18, 20 9:53 am  · 
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Chad Miller

It's not a funny joke either. More like 'grandma's going to die because people are morons' ha ha joke.

Mar 18, 20 11:11 am  · 
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tintt, I've heard two different people on NPR say something along the lines of "The suggestion is to have three months of living expenses in savings, but we all know no one really does that..." which IMO points to a huge problem in our economic society. It's more expensive, in may ways, to be poor than to be rich, so the people with less money truly can't save. I know lots of people with decent 401ks but no immediately liquid cash savings (I'm one of them).

Mar 18, 20 12:26 pm  · 
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Wood Guy

I think a lot of us did not grow up with good financial behavior being modeled, and most of our friends and family don't exhibit good financial behavior currently.

An approach I learned at some point during adulthood is that instead of feeling broke when I had $0, or perhaps $100 or $500 in my account, I convinced myself to feel broke when my bank account dropped below $1,000. Once I reached that point, I increased it to $5,000. Then $10K. Then $20K.

I am not wealthy--far from it--but I am fortunate to have been able to save at least enough to get us through a few months without incomes. We have not had vacations, we drive older and/or non-fancy vehicles, don't go out to eat often, etc.. But I've convinced a few other people of the benefits of this strategy. It works.

Mar 18, 20 1:13 pm  · 
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Chad Miller

My partner is great with money and keeps me from 'impulse buying' stuff. She's also a great saver and thanks to her we have the 6 months saved and could even survive on only one income (we had to do that during the 2008 recession because I sucked and couldn't find work. ) Regardless, I am worried about the economy. Just today a couple of big jobs got put on hold - on is an actual project with the city, the other is a proposal with the school district.

Mar 18, 20 1:34 pm  · 
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tintt

most adults don't eat their veggies either.

Mar 18, 20 2:24 pm  · 
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archanonymous

good observation that most corporations don't follow the financial advice us peons get, then still get bailouts. where's my bailout?

Mar 18, 20 2:57 pm  · 
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Chad Miller

I eat my veggies tinnt. Mostly with ranch dressing . . .

Mar 18, 20 5:36 pm  · 
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x-jla

Ha. Noticed grocery stores were ok on veggies, but everything else gone. I’ve been getting veggies and keeping fit. Only thing we can do is isolate and stay healthy. Exercise every day. Boosts immune system. Eat veggies. Eat healthy. Avoid sugar. Why is no one talking about this?

Mar 18, 20 6:42 pm  · 
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x-jla

If you get it, you will be strong enough to fight it off. Doritos and Netflix is not the right way to quarantine!

Mar 18, 20 6:43 pm  · 
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atelier nobody

Funny, jla-x, I noticed the opposite at my grocery store - all the "real food" has been picked over pretty well, but the junk food is still plentiful. And, trust me, I've done much more disgusting things in my life than living on nothing but shelf-stable pastries and chips for a few weeks.

Mar 18, 20 7:20 pm  · 
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liberty bell

OMG jlax saying that avoiding sugar is a way to prevent *viral infections* is akin to depending on crystals for healing. Such woo. JFC!

Mar 18, 20 8:56 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

^Ha... classic woo.

Mar 18, 20 9:07 pm  · 
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x-jla

Sugar suppresses immune system and raises bp, but you’re dumb.

Mar 18, 20 9:45 pm  · 
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x-jla

Said nothing about preventing viral infections. Dishonest libtard

Mar 18, 20 9:49 pm  · 
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liberty bell

And I didn’t say that eating sugar *isn’t* bad. It is. Sugar is awful for you. But it has NO RELATIONSHIP to viral infections and also NO RELATIONSHIP to one’s political leanings.

Mar 18, 20 9:56 pm  · 
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x-jla

“OMG jlax saying that avoiding sugar is a way to prevent *viral infections* is akin to depending on crystals for healing. Such woo. JFC!” This is exactly what you wrote. Where did I say anything about preventing viral infections? Is it true or false that ones best chance of fighting a viral infection is being as healthy as possible and having a strong immune system? Sugar suppresses the immune system. Healthy diet and exercise elevates it.

Mar 18, 20 10:25 pm  · 
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Chad Miller

Shut up jla-x. Go eat a carrot and load up a shotgun.

Mar 19, 20 10:00 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

Chad, I'm sure his shotguns are already loaded.

Mar 19, 20 10:11 am  · 
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x-jla

Never leave them loaded Non...not safe. Chad, carrots are good for you.

Mar 19, 20 10:27 am  · 
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x-jla

“NO RELATIONSHIP TO ONES POLITICAL LEANINGS” says Donna. Yes, true, but a certain breed of Americans are quick to dismiss the totality of what someone says based on political disagreements...even simple statements like veggies are good for you. Shows the tribal instincts

Mar 19, 20 10:29 am  · 
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x-jla

Kinda like when dumb conservatives saw suspicions in Micheal Obama’s veggie garden. lol

Mar 19, 20 10:34 am  · 
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Chad Miller

Chambered if you're carrying. Loaded but not chambered - if you don't have kids. Unloaded, locked, ammo and firearms stored separately and out of reach if you have children or they visit your home.

Mar 19, 20 10:56 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

^or none at all, because. 8-)

Mar 19, 20 11:12 am  · 
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Chad Miller

That is always a valid option. Figured I didn't need to add it as it's rather obvious. :)

Mar 19, 20 12:10 pm  · 
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Chad Miller

"Yes, true, but a certain breed of Americans are quick to dismiss the totality of what someone says based on political disagreements...even simple statements like veggies are good for you. Shows the tribal instincts" jla-x


Or it shows you're such an insufferable tool that they would rather troll you.   

Mar 19, 20 12:12 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

jla-x comments read best when ignored.

Mar 19, 20 1:56 pm  · 
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x-jla

Who cares

Mar 19, 20 3:39 pm  · 
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Chad Miller

You seem to

Mar 19, 20 4:59 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

It's funny, I un-ignored jlaxative, just so i could read what Ayn Rand would say during a slow moving apocalypse. I have to say, Ayn Rand still would've been a raging cunt. Oh, we're all Socialists now. Capitalism is dead. Finally. If only this happened 5 weeks later, Bernie and crew might be leading us out.

Mar 19, 20 5:32 pm  · 
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x-jla

Ueah, now you can build neo classical architecture for trump. Have fun dick.

Mar 19, 20 5:57 pm  · 
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x-jla

Or build re-education camps for China if they take us over as you would probably like. Get used to wiping your ass with your hands.

Mar 19, 20 6:20 pm  · 
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x-jla

Less authoritarian nations are undoubtedly less equipped to handle something like this though. That’s a flaw of free movement

Mar 19, 20 6:21 pm  · 
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x-jla

I guess this could be an engineered virus made by china....they allowed a controlled burn in their country to make it look random...so few cases in China and Russia. Strange.

Mar 19, 20 6:24 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Ms. Rand, tell me, how does Nixon's circumcised dick taste? I love it, now it's engineered by China? I kept wondering why when I went to Costco they were out of foil sheets. Thanks laxative!

Mar 19, 20 6:30 pm  · 
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x-jla

Could be. Or could be trolling. Or both or none.

Mar 19, 20 6:37 pm  · 
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x-jla

7-8 mins. Says exactly what I said Donna.

Mar 21, 20 7:21 pm  · 
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Chad Miller

Shut the fuck up looser.

Mar 25, 20 2:11 pm  · 
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hata_kaori

I’m graduating this May. Would be great to hear how your firm is handing hiring for this season.

Big firms would have already posted positions around this time of the year but there’s almost none. I have friends who got their interviews cancelled just this week.


Do we see a potential recession coming? Are companies cutting expenses on staff? More importantly, Should I keep searching in NYC for a bit longer or take up the offer from my old firm in Tokyo? I’d need some time to arrange moving and visa if I were to go to Japan. Your suggestions are much appreciated!



- soon to be broke new grad

Mar 18, 20 1:49 pm  · 
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archanonymous

take whatever job you can get.

Mar 18, 20 2:56 pm  · 
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ivorykeyboard

^ absolutely take ANY job. if you get an offer now, take it. one of my friends who started in 2008 as a junior designer ended up filing papers for a PM for 3 months. He's now a design director.

Mar 18, 20 3:30 pm  · 
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axonapoplectic

Just be wary of people offering independent contractor status for what should be a regular employment position. That kind of garbage always seems to happen when the economy turns south.

Mar 18, 20 4:44 pm  · 
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flatroof

My firm froze new hires, except for really experienced. Don't know how long it will last.

Mar 18, 20 7:23 pm  · 
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x-jla

just thought of something....what if the permit offices close?

Mar 18, 20 6:38 pm  · 
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x-jla

Many courts already have

Mar 18, 20 6:38 pm  · 
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Chad Miller

We won't be doing much that requires a permit then will we.

Mar 18, 20 6:51 pm  · 
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atelier nobody

Now's the time to build that bootleg addition you've been planning.

Mar 18, 20 7:14 pm  · 
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axonapoplectic

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Mar 18, 20 8:11 pm  · 
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tduds

Portland' s permit office closed this week.

Mar 19, 20 11:22 am  · 
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proto

they are not taking in new permits for the moment, but they are working on stuff already in the queue. I have stuff in Clack Co -- they are still accepting projects with a 24hr quarantine on the physical docs & plans examiners are working from home

Mar 19, 20 12:32 pm  · 
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atelier nobody

One agency we are dealing with (Federal, so they're both the client and their own AHJ) is trying out doing plan check in Bluebeam Studio.

Mar 19, 20 1:12 pm  · 
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JLC-1

all of our permits are full online for 3 years now.

Mar 19, 20 1:18 pm  · 
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atelier nobody

The difficulty with the online model here is on our side - my boss REFUSES to apply his stamp and signature in the electronic files, so we end up having to have wet-signed drawings scanned, which means the permit set ends up looking like ass.

Mar 19, 20 1:23 pm  · 
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JLC-1

what's his reasoning for refusing? even our structural engineer is stamping his pdf's for submittal.

Mar 19, 20 1:32 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

M&E eng in my area are forbidden (apparaently) to stamp anything digitially... so if I need their shit by say, 1pm on a friday... I have to make sure they know ahead of time that they will need to send their drawings to print, have them courier back to their office, get the principal to wet stamp them... courier them to get scanned... then either send me pdf (which they will not sort or rotate), or pint the scanned copy.  This adds at least 2 days to the timeline.

 Struc and Arch use digital stamps.

Mar 19, 20 1:55 pm  · 
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proto

that's somewhat moronic from a production end view...but maybe it's not the digital-ness of it as much as his ability to interface with the docs before they go out (...i can get that...)

Mar 19, 20 1:56 pm  · 
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tduds

Didn't realize you were Oregonian, proto. Hello from my Clack Co home office!

Mar 19, 20 2:01 pm  · 
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atelier nobody

???

Mar 19, 20 2:05 pm  · 
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archi_dude

Considering how the Portland building services office was probably the slowest and least responsive office I've dealt with on the west coast, couldn't be much worse than before!

Mar 19, 20 2:54 pm  · 
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tduds

Too true.

Mar 19, 20 3:05 pm  · 
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citizen

I know some folks in local city government. They report continuing to work remotely on entitlements, as much as can be done virtually.

Mar 19, 20 3:31 pm  · 
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proto

tduds, not such a big world...

Mar 19, 20 3:50 pm  · 
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proto

San Diego has been giving Portland a run for my client's money over the past year...I have never seen such bureaucracy

Mar 19, 20 3:52 pm  · 
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archi_dude

Proto, really? SD is my main location of business and they are pretty smooth. Are you possibly dealing a port or Coastal Commission jurisdiction as well? If so then yes it will never get built...

Mar 19, 20 5:07 pm  · 
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snooker-doodle-dandy

I have been in contact with a number of building departments and Planning and Zoning Departments this week. Most are closed to the public but arrangements can be made to drop off or email drawing and they will review. Even had a client get a demolition permit this week.

Mar 21, 20 10:44 am  · 
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proto

@archi_dude, we got thru Coastal (which did take forever) and are sitting in the last throes of bldg permit process. Building stuff is basically done, but all the attendant items that hold up final permit are ongoing (fire sprk permit, ROW docs, a dedication to the City for ROW) AND the permit office moved in Jan AND we're all infected with Covid (metaphorically)...my client is a champ, but the investments that were doing so well to start this process are getting shelled...As an example I did the CD's in 7 wks...the City process alone, including CDP & bldg permit is over two years & counting. My docs aren't shamefully shitty -- likely over detailed, if anything. As an example, the City asked for a new notarized Title Report to finalize the Dedication submission. A new Title Report was provided FOR the submission and was 6wks old when it was submitted. They just wrote up a check sheet asking for one newer than 3mos old (as the review process drags on)...that sort of stuff kills me.

Mar 24, 20 12:46 pm  · 
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zonker

it's 08' all over again folks, any job is a dream job, save your money

Mar 19, 20 5:16 pm  · 
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x-jla

This is way worse.

Mar 19, 20 6:25 pm  · 
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curtkram

what markets are you seeing negatively affected? Obviously restaurants, entertainment, anything where people gather. is there a bigger run from financing? investing in a REIT would be safer than the stock market now

Mar 19, 20 8:19 pm  · 
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thisisnotmyname

If the current distress persists, there's a good chance REITs could fry. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/real-estate-billionaire-barrack-says-230309693.html

But I think REITs, unlike small businesses, can get the attention of Washington D.C. and get bailed out.

Mar 23, 20 4:22 pm  · 
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drums please, Fab?

Cuba's the best! Great literacy rate, too!

Mar 19, 20 5:54 pm  · 
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x-jla

Lol.

Mar 19, 20 6:24 pm  · 
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x-jla

Yeah, it’s a great place to point to as a shining example...unless your an actual Cuban...

Mar 19, 20 6:29 pm  · 
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archi_dude

There are people who attempt to build homemade rafts and risk death to escape. Sounds awesome.

Mar 19, 20 7:07 pm  · 
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revolutionary poet

wasn't this entire pandemic started by Communists and not contained accordingly...I guess we all need good communists once and a while to clean up all the bad communists handy work...? also, social medicine is clearly failing in Europe...So what was your point again besides a bunch of irrelevant bullshit that has nothing to do with architecture? like nothing. - architecture

Mar 19, 20 7:29 pm  · 
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I can't help or argue with you. Cubans I met, love their country.

Mar 19, 20 8:11 pm  · 
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x-jla

Love for country and love for government are two different things.

Mar 20, 20 1:49 am  · 
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x-jla

Trump is handling this situation very well.  Props to trump.  

Mar 19, 20 6:29 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Damn Ms. Rand, Nixon's dick and Trump's balls? How do you do it? I mean, it must be crowded in that hole you call a mouth.

Mar 19, 20 6:31 pm  · 
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x-jla

Italy’s socialized health care system is being overwhelmed.

Mar 19, 20 6:32 pm  · 
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x-jla

Ours will too.

Mar 19, 20 6:32 pm  · 
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x-jla

This is beyond political bs. It’s a pandemic. Hopefully one good thing that will come is that people will see how interconnected and fragile we are.

Mar 19, 20 6:33 pm  · 
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x-jla

B3, trump is doing as good as anyone can do. Don’t love him either, but he stepped to the plate on this one.

Mar 19, 20 6:35 pm  · 
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jla-x, on page one of this thread you wrote that your own wife is symptomatic and can't get tested. As a response I posted an article that explained that the virus has been able to spread more widely because we didn't have proper testing because the CDC couldn't get a test developed fast enough, despite there being functional testing in many other countries. Despite Trump's insistence otherwise, as the head of the executive branch, he deserves the blame for this. 

There are plenty of other well-written articles out there about this administration's failures to respond adequately to this pandemic. So if you don't mind, I'll revise your statement ... 

"Trump is handling this situation [like a child]. Props to [the adults that have done their best despite being subtweeted by] Trump."

Mar 19, 20 6:46 pm  · 
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x-jla

We

Mar 19, 20 6:57 pm  · 
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x-jla

Very very few people are able to get testing. And masks are unavailable. True. This is an unprecedented scenario. No one saw it coming. CDC should have been better prepared. Trump doesn’t run the cdc. He is doing best he can imo. Not a time for finger pointing. And yes, he stepped aside and let the pros take the wheel which is good. Not a trump fan, but ...what else could you do that he’s not doing. He even is sending military triage ships to NYC.

Mar 19, 20 7:01 pm  · 
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x-jla

May have been publicly in denial in beginning, but I highly doubt they weren’t preparing behind the scenes.

Mar 19, 20 7:04 pm  · 
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archi_dude

Wasn't this caused by ridiculous red tape? And wasn't it solved by cutting red tape which is what the

Mar 19, 20 7:08 pm  · 
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archi_dude

Administration has been doing the whole time? Please admit theres nothing this guy could have done short of pulling the vaccine out of his sleeve and saying he was working on it in his spare time just in case.

Mar 19, 20 7:10 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

My favorite part about Trump? You accuse him stupidity, neglect, or whatever, and what does that fat Shitstain do? He doubles down and admits to mass murder!

Mar 19, 20 8:03 pm  · 
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curtkram
b3tadine[sutures]

Wait, archi_dud, you're suggesting that this had to do with bureaucratic red tape? Is that what you're suggesting?

Mar 19, 20 8:39 pm  · 
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b3ta, archi is claiming that the administration is both the problem and the solution. Like when Trump averted a war with Iran, or N. Korea before that.

Mar 19, 20 9:11 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Oh, like a pharmakon; poison and a cure.

Mar 19, 20 9:18 pm  · 
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tduds

No one saw it coming. 

Wrong

He is doing best he can imo.

Also wrong, imo.

Mar 19, 20 9:59 pm  · 
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tduds

oh EA beat me to it. Worth repeating.

Mar 19, 20 10:00 pm  · 
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tduds

I'll concede he's technically doing the best *that he can* ...but that's still awful.

Mar 19, 20 10:01 pm  · 
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That second link is a good one tduds, thanks for sharing.

Mar 19, 20 10:23 pm  · 
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Also for anyone more inclined to listen: https://www.npr.org/2020/03/19/818660453/the-test-shortage

Mar 19, 20 10:26 pm  · 
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x-jla

blame Xi. Xi hid this and let people travel in and out for weeks/months infecting the world.

Mar 20, 20 12:14 am  · 
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x-jla

This is 100% fault of the Chinese corrupt and secretive govt. still you people blame trump. Gtfoh. Trump bad. We get it. 10 good guy points for you.

Mar 20, 20 12:17 am  · 
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x-jla

This is beyond trump folks.

Mar 20, 20 12:18 am  · 
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The lack of available testing in the US is the fault of the Chinese government? That’s an odd thing to put on Xi. Maybe you’re right, this isn’t a time to point fingers. If that’s the case, it also isn’t the time to heap praise either.

Mar 20, 20 1:07 am  · 
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x-jla

That’s not what I said. The Chinese government hid the virus. They are mainly responsible for allowing it to escape the region

Mar 20, 20 1:48 am  · 
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x-jla

If we must Finger point.

Mar 20, 20 1:49 am  · 
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Bench

First confirmed case in South Korea was January 20. First confirmed case in the US was January 21.

Since then they have completely dovetailed in their response, and in their results. Don't call this "doing the best he can" - two weeks of refusals to confront reality (in the interests of political gain) have blown the doors on the whole situation. Pragmatism took a back seat to fantasy.

Mar 20, 20 8:31 am  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

I'm going to leave it up to Survivor Archinect, are we voting laxative off, or does their rampant stupidity entertain us?

Mar 20, 20 8:36 am  · 
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x-jla

Yeah, can’t criticize Xi, communism is good. Trumps fault.

Mar 20, 20 12:25 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Again, Ms. Rand, you're dumb.

Mar 20, 20 12:42 pm  · 
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tduds

The outbreak has revealed the Achilles's heel of authoritarianism, in China as in the US. Different governments, both at fault, for the same reason. 

Here's a very good article from a month ago about it.

Mar 20, 20 12:47 pm  · 
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x-jla

Beyond politics. Nature doesn’t care about politics. This virus is affecting every system on earth. Some may be equipped to deal better than others, but it’s largely a matter of infrastructure in place across political spectrums. Good time imo to put politics aside and put humanity, innovation, and basic decency first. The fact that this virus has low mortality among the young, and fairly high for the old requires a level of altruism and community that I sure hope we are wired for.

Mar 20, 20 1:37 pm  · 
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tduds

Nah.

Mar 20, 20 5:15 pm  · 
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tduds

The virus jumping from animal to human was a random chance. Everything that's happened since was predictable, predicted, avoidable, and a direct result of political choices. I can have empathy for the sick and provide help to those who need it while also recognizing that this is a human failure for which certain humans should be held to account.

Mar 20, 20 5:16 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

I find it fatiguing as fuck to read stupid shit; Trump is on this, it's Xi's fault - as if that was ever in debate - but Trump is doing good? Really. REALLY? I'm just curious here, but what do people plan on doing to China, in this moment, that will actually help the situation, and not affect the everyday Chinese person? What? Bomb China? Sue China? What then? What is going manifestly make us better, cure the sick, comfort the dying? BOMBS? Lawsuits? GTFO. 

And to be called a dick by some asshat, that ping-pongs back and forth between Aynn Rand, Tulsi Gabbard, Andrew Yang, and Donald Trump? Let's remember, this is all Capitalism's, Neo-Liberalism, and Corporate Cronyism's fault. Not ordinary Chinese.

And now you want to get in here and talk about a "Nature" problem. The Earth tried to live in harmony with a virus, a virus called Humans, and in the late 19th Century The Virus decided to plunder the fossilized remains of the Last Virus, strip the forest, destroy the soil, wipe-out species, over farm, factory farm...etc. Now, The Earth is saying, no more, The Virus will learn. The Virus will pay. I've said it once, I've said it a million times; Earth will be fine, it doesn't need us to survive.


Mar 20, 20 8:00 pm  · 
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"Trump is handling this situation [like a child]. Props to [the adults that have done their best despite being subtweeted by] Trump." https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/us-intelligence-reports-from-january-and-february-warned-about-a-likely-pandemic/2020/03/20/299d8cda-6ad5-11ea-b5f1-a5a804158597_story.html

Mar 21, 20 7:28 am  · 
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x-jla

Capitalism’s fault that a virus jumped to humans in a Chinese wet market that is a known disease breeding ground. That makes a lot of sense. Not blaming China, or Chinese culture, but Xi certainly has most culpability in this for hiding it until it was too late to contain. Not saying we should punish anyone. I don’t think that’s fair. Just can’t listen to the same talking heads bash capitalism and Trump (although not a fan) while giving Xi a pass. Absolute cherry picking. Trump was slow to respond, but has since done the one thing that I thought he was incapable of doing- listened to experts and worked bipartisan with states.

Mar 21, 20 10:54 am  · 
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x-jla

How exactly is this related to capitalism?

Mar 21, 20 11:03 am  · 
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x-jla

B3 is either trolling, or has a one track mind.

Mar 21, 20 11:03 am  · 
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x-jla

He almost seems happy that this may usher in some authoritative state and collapse capitalism. That’s very misguided thinking. Capitalism = food on tables of most of the world. He also constantly rants about trumps incompetence, sometimes rightfully so, but then wants trump (trump = govt) to run everything. Does b3 think that when capitalism collapses that he will be able to hand pick a leader and govt body? Not how it works.

Mar 21, 20 11:13 am  · 
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x-jla

Does he anticipate that AOC will come to the rescue and get us all tp for our bungholes?

Mar 21, 20 11:17 am  · 
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x-jla

Tduds, I agree and disagree. Agree because it will definitely expose flaws across the board. Disagree because every system will have flaws. Likely, the effect will be hybridization, not polarization or extremism. This may be one positive outcome. We may also start to rethink the idea of a more unified world and possibly expansion of world governmental programs.

Mar 21, 20 11:22 am  · 
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x-jla

Should say world governmental cooperation and collaboration.

Mar 21, 20 11:23 am  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Again, you're perpetually all over the map, idiot.

Mar 21, 20 11:36 am  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

You equate Capitalism with Democracy. I don't.

Mar 21, 20 11:37 am  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Capitalism, bullshit laissez-faire ideas caused what is happening in the US. We don't build anything anymore. China does. China commandeered American multinational corporations, and that's one of the reasons why we're in the situation of undersupply. Capitalism did that, capitalism.

Mar 21, 20 11:41 am  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Working with states? He bids against states after telling states to fend for themselves. He tells states to develop their own tests. He lies about cures, takes no responsibility for a fucking thing. And, did I forget to mention that the Washington Post is reporting that he was warned about the extent of this in January, Intelligence officials were pleading with him to take it seriously, and he brushed it off as fake news, and deep state working against him? Yeah, This Fucking Cocksucker is on this; The Trumpdemic of 2020.

Mar 21, 20 11:50 am  · 
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x-jla

You are conflating capitalism with globalization. I agree that we ought to be self sufficient in our manufacturing capabilities. China is a communist state. They are terrible abusers of human and worker and environmental rights. We are complacent by doing so much business with them and also feeding the demand chain. We are the pushers, they are the makers. Why do you refuse to acknowledge the other side of the coin? US crony capitalism and Chinese communism working together to f-shit up. Don’t you see that both / all systems are corrupt and destructive? It’s a failure of government in general...and the components of that is humans...it’s human failure and human nature that is flawed. One ism over the other isn’t the issue. Both have their problems.

Mar 21, 20 12:02 pm  · 
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x-jla

the lesson ought to be decentralization! Utilize technology to decentralize manufacturing. Image small scale industrial digital fabrication hubs spread around like Starbucks. That’s the infrastructure we should be moving towards.

Mar 21, 20 12:05 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Explained in two graphics:


Mar 21, 20 12:10 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Wet Market Racists

Mar 21, 20 9:47 pm  · 
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citizen

And here I was worried this thread wouldn't devolve as usual....


Mar 19, 20 8:21 pm  · 
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archi_dude

So we're doing all of this to "possibly" save .3% of the US population? And it's now being reported we might need to do this for a year? F That! There wont be anything left, what the hell are our leaders thinking?

Mar 20, 20 7:16 am  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

You're not being smart, how are you still alive?

Mar 20, 20 8:34 am  · 
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archi_dude

Really? The CDC is admitting that shelter in place won't stop or contain the virus. Yet we continue down a path with far greater consequences than the disease itself.

Mar 20, 20 8:57 am  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Yeah, really. Just stop.

Mar 20, 20 9:04 am  · 
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joseffischer

You can cut numbers a lot of weighs, and you can use percentages (though yours are wrong), but we're talking about millions of people here. Can we save them all? No. Can we save a lot, yes. I for one think we should try.

Mar 20, 20 10:20 am  · 
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x-jla

.3% is a lot, but 20% hospitalized is a much much bigger number. If even only 1/2 of us get it the system will be overwhelmed.

Mar 20, 20 12:25 pm  · 
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I'm just going to leave this here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/

Mar 20, 20 2:54 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

This stupid bickering isn't why I created this thread, and I've participated. So, let's get back on track, shall we?


Do you think creating a Google Doc, because I don't think large CREs will be cooperative until they're nationalized, a spreadsheet of large scale commercial buildings that are unoccupied, with generators and enough electrical capacity to handle medical triage centers would be useful? Many of us perhaps know of, or work in - like me, buildings with empty/unoccupied suites that would be suitable for these environments.


More ideas...keep it going.



Mar 20, 20 9:03 am  · 
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curtkram

so instead of something stupid like building a hospital in 10 days, utilize existing infrastructure? we could temporarily re-purpose hotels as well. i'm more concerned about getting jobs for those in retail/ hospitality that are getting shut down, or a workable UBI test.

Mar 20, 20 9:28 am  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Exactly curt, we have already existing stock available, perhaps a cursory survey could track what is already available? Additionally, many commercial buildings may have wider corridors, or easily modifiable corridors, to accommodate beds and stretchers, where hotels likely won't.

Mar 20, 20 9:38 am  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

I think hotels could be utilized to quarantine those diagnosed, but not requiring 24 hour care.

Mar 20, 20 9:41 am  · 
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joseffischer

Georgia is already using hotels to quarantine folks.

Mar 20, 20 10:22 am  · 
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x-jla

One of the problems with hotels is the ventilation. Imo better off using those Many enormous parking lots to set up med tents. Can tap into the grid of light poles for power.

Mar 21, 20 11:06 am  · 
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x-jla

other big problem is healthcare worker shortages. Someone has to man those stations.

Mar 21, 20 11:08 am  · 
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curtkram

i've been working on r-2 occupancies, not r-3, but isn't fresh air ventilation still a requirement?

Mar 21, 20 12:22 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Most small scale hotels utilize through-wall unit ventilators, there isn't enough room to run a shit ton of ductwork to rooms.

Mar 21, 20 9:48 pm  · 
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Menona

Shopping malls? 


Big open spaces.  Loading docks.  Food Service Preparation locations already available. Big Parking lots for triage, driveup testing, or more support tents.  Of course there would be looting.  But all the stores are going out of business now anyway.

Mar 20, 20 11:55 am  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

MOA is ready and capable!

Mar 20, 20 4:52 pm  · 
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tintt

My tin foil hat just told me this is how Trump gets to decide what businesses fail and which get a seat on the ark.

Mar 20, 20 12:51 pm  · 
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Menona

When will the TRUMPSTEAKS return, and Trump Brand hand sanitizer and toilet paper hit the shelves?

Mar 20, 20 12:55 pm  · 
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tintt

We can all work for him for $5.50 an hour. Beautiful!

Mar 20, 20 2:17 pm  · 
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curtkram

how long is this social distancing really going to last?  We're about 4 days into the president's "15 days to slow the spread."  After that it's reassess, not necessarily go back to normal correct?   Any guesses?  3 months?  18 months?

Mar 20, 20 5:12 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

I think June, and then we reassess.

Mar 20, 20 5:32 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

We’re 5 days deep here and I’m noticing a lot more traffic since yesterday. I think boredom is setting in and folks are looking to resume normal lives.

Mar 20, 20 7:10 pm  · 
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tintt

Not everyone is distancing. It's being taken pretty serious here, everything is closed except grocery stores. Grocery stores are out of some things but still have plenty Things not in stores are flour, milk, eggs, tp, rice. China isn't seeing too many new cases so it took them what like 3 months.

Mar 20, 20 7:23 pm  · 
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curtkram

i hear it's pretty bad in colorado. our grocery stores are running out of stuff for no good reason. i went yesterday and pretty much everyone walking out had toilet paper. did they shut down liquor stores like pennsylvania? i think i read new york agrees liquor is an essential service.

Mar 20, 20 7:35 pm  · 
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tintt

our gov delcared the need to keep booze going. it's still available and is now available for delivery. I think weed delivery is coming too.

Mar 20, 20 7:46 pm  · 
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curtkram

i just heard a bar in omaha took over a food truck. they have liquor ice cream trucks now.

Mar 20, 20 8:31 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

curt, that may be more important than hospital beds...j/k...our maybe not?

Mar 20, 20 8:58 pm  · 
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curtkram

https://youtu.be/AQG6oUMQhKE?t=30

Mar 20, 20 9:22 pm  · 
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I am working at firm in California, The company has been great and set up everyone with VPN to work from home. They have really been active in ensuring all the workers needs are met.  

I know some friends in medical sector are also having to find more hire's as they need to finish work for hospitals.

Mar 20, 20 7:01 pm  · 
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bowling_ball

I am one million percent aware that this is no consolation to anybody affected by this pandemic (financial, health, or otherwise) but at least for my firm, we are doing well. 


We started last week by buying a bunch of laptops, and setting up VPN access for everybody in the firm who didn't already have it. We kept our doors open for those who wanted to stay working in our office (about 1/4). We're investing in video conference software and learning everything on the fly.


We haven't had any work fall through yet. Slow downs on construction sites, yes, but no cancellations. 


This week we interviewed for two senior positions and will make them both offers, because we're extremely busy. We haven't yet been hit hard by this virus, thank goodness. 


It's not all doom and gloom. Keep your heads up and your hands clean.

Mar 20, 20 11:45 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

We’re being cautious here but nothing I know of has been put on hold or cancelled. We finally got our remote work from home set up on Thursday so it’ll be as close to business as usual for now.

Mar 21, 20 11:11 am  · 
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liberty bell

Thanks for this post bowling_ball!

Mar 21, 20 11:58 am  · 
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curtkram

we've had a couple projects put on hold. it's entertainment, so their core business is shutting down along with restaurants and such. i'd like a better understanding of how this affecting different markets. residential and healthcare still seem strong. i assume retail and hospitality is hurting.

Mar 21, 20 12:24 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

curt, i think multi-family will come back on-line, once the heat turns down. I'm in justice, so that would seem stable.

Mar 21, 20 12:30 pm  · 
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curtkram

we do a lot of justice work. As far as I can tell, projects moving forward aren't interrupted. I don't know of anything new coming, but we're busy so if something did kick off we might not be able to staff it. I can't pop over the cubicle wall to ask what's going on with other teams anymore tho ugh.

Mar 21, 20 1:09 pm  · 
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bowling_ball

80% of our work is in multi residential and health care. You were on to something, Curt.

Mar 22, 20 12:39 am  · 
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b3ta, did you get fed up and nuke jla-x? 

Mar 21, 20 11:31 am  · 
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Reinstated now ... strange

Mar 21, 20 11:37 am  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Nope. He's back I see his shit posts.

Mar 21, 20 11:51 am  · 
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With many of my firm’s offices located in places that have been ordered to shelter in place, they decided to close all of our offices and have everyone work from home, even in those locations where it hasn’t been ordered. I’m quite happy to see that, tbh. I was starting to suspect that individual PMs were asking people to come into the office anyway if there was a deadline approaching. 

Mar 21, 20 12:10 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Yep. Running the gauntlet is tough on the psyche.

Mar 21, 20 12:13 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

We're still in office, 8-10 person firm.

Mar 23, 20 11:13 am  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Okay, here's my quandary; 

This is likely to be the norm - which gives me A LOT of comfort, and is easing my stress.

Mortgages Rents

Should I stop paying now? Wait until it hits my state? I've still got a job, I'm doing criminal justice work - so that could be stable? Cash is king, what are you all thinking about other debt? I've been through bankruptcy in the past, and came out on the other side faster than the 10 years often cited; hell I bought a home in 7 years.

Mar 21, 20 12:19 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

My sources are telling me, the following; My brother-in-law works for Air Force Intelligence, and the word is they are shutting the country down within the week. National Guard in their state are being activated.



Mar 21, 20 1:12 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Wet Markets...bullshit.

Mar 21, 20 9:49 pm  · 
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leonizer

good read. we really need to stop consuming wild game.

Mar 22, 20 12:42 am  · 
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curtkram

no. Hunters are good and absolutely necessary. Don't eat deer with the wasting disease. Wet markets are probably not responsible for this viral outbreak, but they're bad and they need to be shut down.

Mar 22, 20 12:56 am  · 
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x-jla

CWD is really scary. I heard that in some areas of the country 50% of deer are infected. Most diseases jumped from animals to humans...Or at least scientists suspect they did
...HIV, Ebola, SARS, MERS, swine flu, bird flu, etc.

Mar 22, 20 10:34 am  · 
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sameolddoctor

Wet markets are TOTALLY responsible for this outbreak. These markets have species that are never meant to be together and consumed by humans. Sure, they have natural origins, but the wet markets is how they transferred to mankind.

Heres a good (if hard to watch) look:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7nZ4mw4mXw

https://www.vox.com/videos/2020/3/6/21168006/coronavirus-covid19-china-pandemic

I understand the need to not be racist at this time, but its important to understand that the culprit is humanity bringing these species together to consume them, not some vague construct of "these always exist"

Mar 23, 20 8:19 pm  · 
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x-jla

“Facts Don’t care about your feelings”. I seriously don’t understand why this is racist? I think bullfighting is barbaric, but don’t hate Spaniards. Hookah is bad for you, don’t mean I’m racist against Persians. People are dumb. Stop. You can criticize a cultural practice without being racist.

Mar 24, 20 3:32 pm  · 
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x-jla

I also don’t see why we stopped calling it Wuhan coronavirus. That’s where it started. Chinese PR machine was quick to rename it.

Mar 24, 20 3:33 pm  · 
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curtkram

we never started calling it wuhan coronavirus. https://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/notes/2015/naming-new-diseases/en/

Mar 24, 20 3:59 pm  · 
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tduds

Didn't realize WHO guidelines were "Chinese PR" now.

Mar 25, 20 2:10 pm  · 
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[puts on tinfoil hat] ... but who do you think got the WHO to make it their guideline?

Mar 25, 20 2:26 pm  · 
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archi_dude

Death rate and hospitalization rate way over estimated:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/w...

Mar 22, 20 10:14 am  · 
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snooker-doodle-dandy

archi_dude Trump just tossed my generation under the bus last night. Well most of us anyhow. I'm sure there will be some cocktail you can get for a million dollars so Don and his wealthy buddies get thru the thing. However guys like me we be 6 foot under and if not busted broke.

Mar 24, 20 1:11 pm  · 
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x-jla

The overall death rate is definitely over estimated, but the death rate for people 70+ years old is extremely high even if we half it and assume that there are asymptotic cases. The death rate for 10- year olds is zero, which is lower than the flu. It’s about same as flu or 2x flu for people 18-40. I think us young people should take one for the team and all get
infected while the old people isolate so we can snuff this bug out and gain enough immunity to protect the elderly and immune compromised population.

Mar 24, 20 5:56 pm  · 
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x-jla

UK shy away from this tactic.

Mar 24, 20 6:03 pm  · 
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tintt

And don't forget that we in this position because Trump denied that testing was needed early because he needed to write the story that this was a liberal media conspiracy and that he was a victim. 

Mar 22, 20 11:09 am  · 
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Wood Guy

I've gotten flack for saying the same. It's unbelievable that Trump's supporters think he's doing a great job. We are living in different realities.

Mar 22, 20 11:41 am  · 
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tintt

Most people are mediocre. Don't care what they don't understand. Thinking and speaking is for those qualified to do so.

Mar 23, 20 12:01 pm  · 
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threeohdoor

Hey, not sure if this is true, but someone on the contracting side want to chime in? My friend runs a medium-sized HVAC contracting company. He says that earlier this year, OSHA rules were amended to require firms to have a much larger capacity for n95 masks, forcing many firms to buy huge quantities. Since COVID, all of those supplies have gone "missing" as staff and field worker 'relocate' them to their homes. Thus, the national inventory of masks was drastically decreased shortly before the pandemic. Is this true?


Mar 22, 20 11:23 am  · 
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liberty bell

The OSHA rule may it may not be true but PLEASE don’t fall for any conspiracy BS right now. If construction workers have grabbed some of those masks for themselves and families it’s perfectly normal behavior. Same with the toilet paper hoarding: when we hear of a shortage of something, our fear and self-survival instincts kick in and tell us we should get some of that thing. It’s slightly irrational but totally normal and absolutely doesn’t point to a high level conspiracy to create a shortage.

Mar 22, 20 11:28 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

Donna, I’ve spent 2 days in children hospital last week and all the supplies (masks and gloves) are hidden because patients are stealing them from the nurses in triage. How often does material from site walk away? Not a stretch to see this with high demand safety gear.

Mar 22, 20 11:31 am  · 
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archi_dude

We're fine on masks and no one has been taking them. And no, the reserves of masks were dwindled from the Californian and Australian wildfires last year. Also aside from recyclables that we encourage our workers to take and recycle and keep whatever they earn, material rarely walks off sites.

Mar 22, 20 11:46 am  · 
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archi_dude

However, if we are forced to shut down jobsites, that will probably become a massive issue and we are gearing up security for it.

Mar 22, 20 11:46 am  · 
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curtkram

starting tuesday my local government is going to tell all residents they have to stay at home for 30 days except essential needs and services, which includes going to the grocery store.  currently restaurants can't allow dine-in service but they can continue operating with take-out or deliveries, so i assume that will continue.  i expect liquor stores will remain essential but i suppose that remains to be seen.  

i don't know if construction will continue.  if we stop building for 30 days it will cause some problems.  i do expect the building department to continue reviewing plans i sent them, but they will have to adjust to a work from home environment.

Mar 22, 20 4:29 pm  · 
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curtkram

i'm guessing construction does continue. https://www.latimes.com/homeless-housing/story/2020-03-21/coronavirus-construction-california-stay-at-home

Mar 22, 20 4:39 pm  · 
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curtkram

unless my local governments decide to follow boston's example, which would suck https://www.natlawreview.com/article/covid-19-coronavirus-concerns-prompt-two-week-halt-to-all-construction-boston

Mar 22, 20 4:42 pm  · 
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curtkram

i'm just going to keep replying to my own comment. this group is mapping out where construction is being shut down. could be useful if they keep it up to date: https://www.constructiondive.com/news/mapping-high-impact-construction-across-the-us/551042/

Mar 22, 20 4:53 pm  · 
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That's a super helpful map, curtkram, thank you!

Mar 22, 20 5:50 pm  · 
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Bench

Great find curtkram, many thanks. I thought Pennsylvania had shut down all construction?

Mar 22, 20 9:03 pm  · 
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sameolddoctor

San franscisco has shut down all construction

Mar 22, 20 10:15 pm  · 
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zonker

Our office is working on designs for San Francisco projects. won't be ready fro const. for months anyway

Mar 23, 20 2:02 pm  · 
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tintt

Factions are starting to form. Or maybe they were already formed, just showing more now.

Mar 23, 20 11:58 am  · 
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Chad Miller

What factions?

Mar 23, 20 1:50 pm  · 
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tintt

Don't you watch movies? Like the people who are monitoring other people's behavior like those announcing that you can't walk on the sidewalk. Or those threatening with guns to protect their food and toilet paper.

Mar 23, 20 5:48 pm  · 
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Chad Miller

Only ran into a few of those out here - mostly morons who don't know how to handle a firearm. Not the alt right people that live way out on their compounds - those nitwits are the reason I bought more ammo a couple of weeks ago.

Mar 23, 20 6:11 pm  · 
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In my neighborhood the dog walking has ramped up *considerably* - like, I see five times more people out walking dogs now than I ever used to. And everyone is being very neighborly and polite to one another, all from at least 20' away.

Mar 24, 20 1:05 pm  · 
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tintt

Donna, I heard the dogs shelters are low on inventory because they are experiencing record numbers of adoptions!

Mar 24, 20 4:08 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

I have turned my dinning table into a drawing review station and noticed the same dogs pass by a few times this afternoon.

Mar 24, 20 4:26 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

My pit keeps everyone at bey, unless Donna stops by, and then he sits on her lap.

Mar 24, 20 4:50 pm  · 
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Indiana now has a stay-at-home order, but "essential" construction can stay open. Weirdly, this now includes my husband, who is making some interior elements for an event space that has just been told their building might be conscripted into hospital overflow space!

Mar 23, 20 2:50 pm  · 
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cncguy
All of my projects are still full steam ahead. They are considered “essential”. My only issue is that we are having a huge problem with guys showing up.
Mar 23, 20 5:02 pm  · 
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bowling_ball

Had a job for a non profit shut down as of today. Construction just about to start. It'll happen eventually for sure, just not right now.

Mar 23, 20 6:36 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Let me ask this; what are ways that we contribute to the problem? How can we design in the present, and future, so that we use fewer materials that pull directly from the healthcare industry? One thing I thought of is stop specifying Tyvek, think about how much of this is used currently, and how much of it is taken out of circulation, and could be used for PPE. What about using fewer materials with high VOCs? That may mean fewer masks taken out of circulation, more natural materials for blown in insulation? 

I'm just thinking out loud, not suggesting this is total, or only, but part of a solution, and more than what the AIA is offering in their letter to members, Congress, and the President.

Mar 23, 20 10:31 pm  · 
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Chad Miller

Well dang.  I think I'm getting sick.  It's probably just be stress from the house move and project management hell.  


Mar 24, 20 4:49 pm  · 
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JLC-1

it's also allergy season

Mar 24, 20 6:02 pm  · 
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Chad Miller

I'm already on allergy medication.

Mar 24, 20 6:03 pm  · 
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atelier nobody

With my allergies, if I do get the plague I probably won't notice the difference until I'm about halfway dead.

Mar 25, 20 5:11 pm  · 
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Volunteer

If you are working from home there are several tax deductions you can take. If your home office takes up 15% of the floor area of your home you can deduct 15% of the home's total electrical and natural gas bill as well as 15% of the city water and trash collection bill.  If you remodel the office you can deduct 100% of the remodeling costs. You can deduct 15% of general maintenance costs for the home. The phone bill is deductible also as is the internet service, if those are not reimbursed by your company. You can also take a depreciation on your home using the 15% which usually comes out to a few hundred dollars a year. And if your home is your place of business you can deduct travel expenses to the main office if not reimbursed by the company.  

These may add up to the point where it is better to take the itemized deductions rather than the new standard deduction. It is a pain to do it the first year, but after that you can use the previous year as a template and plug in the new year's numbers. 

Mar 24, 20 6:37 pm  · 
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liberty bell

When I was self-employed I took every single one of these deductions. I also claimed every design magazine subscription, meal with a client, and pencil.

Mar 24, 20 6:39 pm  · 
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curtkram

you would have to work from home most of the year, not just a month or two right?

Mar 24, 20 6:59 pm  · 
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Volunteer

You can prorate the deductions for the months you had a home office.

Mar 24, 20 7:01 pm  · 
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from IRS Publication 587

Mar 24, 20 10:50 pm  · 
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You’re correct that it really only applies to self-employed people using a portion of their home regularly and exclusively for business. Even if I was self-employed, I’m working in my home office that doubles as a guest bedroom. According the IRS document, that’s not exclusively for business.

Mar 25, 20 1:57 am  · 
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Chad Miller

You better have high utility bills and home office renovation costs to itemize and use this deduction.  I believe the standard married filing jointly deduction is what, $24,800?

Mar 25, 20 2:06 pm  · 
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curtkram

this is pretty cool. It goes through the timeline of what happened in Wuhan 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU9FVqwO4TM

Mar 24, 20 11:30 pm  · 
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sameolddoctor

yes, and also a healthy dose of chinese propaganda thrown in there...

Mar 25, 20 12:43 am  · 
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curtkram

china is china. still though, they went through it first and it's best if we can learn from what they did there.

Mar 25, 20 7:59 am  · 
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wurdan freo

you mean this china... https://youtu.be/bpQFCcSI0pU

Apr 11, 20 9:13 pm  · 
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Volunteer

From the IRS website:  

"Additional tests for employee use. If you are an employee and you use a part of your home for business, you may qualify for a deduction for its business use. You must meet the tests discussed above plus:

  • Your business use must be for the convenience of your employer.
  • You must not rent any part of your home to your employer and use the rented portion to perform services as an employee for that employer."

I think the above chart, although from the IRS website, is flat wrong. It is clearly contradicted by the above IRS information. 


Mar 25, 20 6:20 am  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Volunteer, that's exactly correct.

Mar 25, 20 8:12 am  · 
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"As a result of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA), for the tax years 2018 through 2025, you cannot deduct home office expenses if you are an employee. It's one of several changes affecting Schedule A (read about other changes here). Those changes are expected to be absorbed or mitigated by the doubling of the standard deduction."

For Many Taxpayers, Tax Reform Means No More Home Office Deduction - Forbes

Mar 25, 20 11:21 am  · 
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"We've got some good news and bad news. The bad news? In years past, if you worked for a company (and received a W-2) but worked from home occasionally or full-time, you could claim a home office tax deduction. But not anymore.

"'There is a major change to the home office deduction: It is no longer available for company employees,' says Bill Abel, tax manager at Sensiba San Filippo in Boulder, CO. 'This has many remote employees frustrated.'"

How to Take a Home Office Tax Deduction When You Work From Home - Realtor.com


Mar 25, 20 11:26 am  · 
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Volunteer

I don't doubt you but here is the current wording from the IRS https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/home-office-deduction

Mar 25, 20 11:55 am  · 
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I see the current wording, I linked to it earlier. I'm just not sure it has been updated to reflect the changes made in the TCJA. That's why I also posted the flowchart detailing how to take the deduction from the IRS's document created for use when preparing your 2019 taxes. Conceivably, that document would reflect the changes. You can see from it that if you are an employee you don't qualify for the deduction.

Mar 25, 20 12:11 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

In fact it's in the forms I've seen from HR Block and others.

Mar 25, 20 12:11 pm  · 
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This HR Block...?

"Note: Before 2018, employees could deduct unreimbursed employee business expenses, including the home office deduction if eligible, as miscellaneous itemized deductions on Schedule A. For tax years 2018 through 2025, tax reform has eliminated the itemized deduction for employee business expenses. Thus, employees may not claim a home office deduction for these years."

Home Office Deduction Requirements - HR Block


Mar 25, 20 12:28 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

Wait, you mean to tell me that Trumps "Jobs" act screws workers? WHAT?!

Mar 25, 20 12:35 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Everyday, again that's weird, I mean it doesn't apply to me, but I distinctly recall those questions on the form. It's strange.

Mar 25, 20 12:37 pm  · 
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b3ta, I'll make roughly the same comment I made to gwharton in the COVID-19 layoff thread ... cite your sources if you can. I'm not trying to call you out as disingenuous or saying you don't recall what you say you recall, but without some type of citation or source material it's hard to take someone's word and assume it is correct when faced with multiple sources claiming otherwise. It's the same reason I'm skeptical of the IRS website Volunteer quoted. 

My gut thinks you recall it from a form prior to the TCJA going into effect. You could have seen it as recently as two years ago as you were preparing your 2017 taxes and it would have been correct. Even for 2018, maybe HR Block hadn't updated the form, but the professional preparing your return would have known to ignore it. Of course, I have no way of figuring that out for sure ... so take it only as speculation.

Mar 25, 20 1:00 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

This should help clear up the confusion, it's a very specific instance;


Mar 25, 20 1:18 pm  · 
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b3ta, what's the source of that clipping?

Mar 25, 20 1:43 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

From HR Block.

Mar 25, 20 1:58 pm  · 
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Thanks b3ta, it would be nice to have a link, but I understand if it is part of the tax prep software or something that wouldn't allow a direct link. No need to get all crazy with bibliographic citations like Rick would like.

Mar 25, 20 2:23 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Everyday, that's exactly the case. It's in the application.

Mar 25, 20 2:54 pm  · 
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Rick, calm down buddy. Go for a walk or something, staying 6 feet away from others of course.

Mar 25, 20 8:41 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Everyday, FWIW, it's part of the 2019 Q&A side panel.

Mar 25, 20 9:17 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Your business use must be for the convenience of your employer

I think the bold is instructive here. Not for your convenience, but your employer. I imagine they were getting a lot of people itemizing their spaces at home, but it was because they were choosing to work from home. I think that this is deliberately anti-woman, anti-parent, because much of the attraction for businesses is to offer telecommuting, as a method of employee retention.


Mar 25, 20 9:33 pm  · 
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Bloopox

You can no longer deduct home office expenses as an employee, even if the office is for the convenience of your employer. The instructions for the applicable form (8829) explicitly state that. The info on the IRS website regarding use of home office for employer convenience is unfortunately outdated.

Mar 25, 20 10:25 pm  · 
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Volunteer

Not to beat a dead horse but,

https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/home-office-deduction

which says: 

"Additional tests for employee use. If you are an employee and you use a part of your home for business, you may qualify for a deduction for its business use. You must meet the tests discussed above plus:

  • Your business use must be for the convenience of your employer." 

And at the bottom of the page: "Page Last Reviewed or Updated: 16-Jan-2020" Meaning that this is CURRENT guidance, if not the IRS had every opportunity to say so and reference the years for which it was applicable. 

Mar 26, 20 8:01 am  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Volunteer, so far we're in agreement, everything that has been cited seems to be self-employed forms, and not employer based. I think the deductible is similar to that deduction for mileage if the employer doesn't reimburse. Additionally, this forced telecommuting is definitely going to necessitate a change in the code.

Mar 26, 20 8:50 am  · 
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Not to try and stop you from beating that horse ... also from that same webpage: “For a full explanation of tax deductions for your home office refer to Publication 587, Business Use of Your Home.”

Mar 26, 20 9:57 am  · 
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Open the current version of Publication 587 and do a search for the word “employee,” “employer,” and “convenience,” and let me know what you come up with.

Mar 26, 20 10:00 am  · 
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Once you've done that, open the 2017 version of the same publication and do the same searches to compare results. The reason I think it is still on the IRS website, is because (and I don't like that I'm saying this) as Rick pointed out earlier, the website is giving information for more than just the current tax year. So the text you keep coming back to is appropriate for tax years 2017 and earlier, but it doesn't apply for 2018 and later. 

I agree it would be better if the IRS would make that clear on the website, but to the credit of the bureaucracy, the IRS probably thinks they are being clear because they've stated that "for a full explanation [...] refer to Publication 587."

Mar 26, 20 10:58 am  · 
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archanonymous

I like this this thread has devolved into pedantic arguments about tax breaks that will save you what, a couple hundred dollars? 

Don't be daft - just cheat on your taxes like our president.

Mar 26, 20 11:39 am  · 
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Twitter is reporting that Michael Sorkin has passed away from COVID-19. I'm sad about this, I saw him speak at The Architecture Lobby Think-In a few years ago and he was great. 

Mar 26, 20 4:31 pm  · 
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tintt

oh man, that's so sad. so bummed to hear that

Mar 26, 20 5:53 pm  · 
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sameolddoctor

That's really sad, I heard him speak about 20 years ago. Good man.

Mar 26, 20 5:58 pm  · 
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proto

WA just shut down construction

A cabinetmaker & a frequent GC for our jobs were told that they had to shut down & there would be $1k fine if they were found to be operating

https://www.constructiondive.com/news/washington-state-bans-construction-boston-extends-moratorium/574925/

OR can't be too far behind

Mar 26, 20 4:44 pm  · 
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JLC-1

my county (Pitkin,CO) shut down construction too, until April 17. Who knows what's going to happen after that.

Mar 26, 20 5:17 pm  · 
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I heard that AIA was pushing to get Gov. Inslee to clarify architects as an essential profession. Is that in part what prompted the clarification? Note they are conspicuously absent from the list of included professions in his clarification. Apparently Inslee doesn't think architects need to be on site to run CA?

Mar 26, 20 8:45 pm  · 
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sameolddoctor

Stunning (and scary) 3d imagery of a COVID-19 patient: The greenish-yellow parts are the infected parts:

https://www.gwhospital.com/res...

Stay home, everyone.



Mar 26, 20 6:25 pm  · 
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Doc Arch

The NYC Department of Design and Construction has halted all project from Design though Construction. Hopefully this ends soon. This is significant for NYC firms!

Mar 26, 20 9:01 pm  · 
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Archinect

Where did you hear this news?

Mar 26, 20 9:10 pm  · 
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Doc Arch

I hope I have a job tomorrow

Mar 26, 20 9:18 pm  · 
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x-jla

Even design work being done remotely?

Apr 7, 20 4:41 pm  · 
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Doc Arch

Here is the announcement 

Mar 26, 20 9:14 pm  · 
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tduds

I chuckled.


Apr 7, 20 2:17 pm  · 
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JLC-1

anybody keeps shaving?

Apr 7, 20 11:13 pm  · 
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Not with the same frequency or rugularity thats for sure. But same could certainly be said about a number of things...

Apr 8, 20 12:35 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

Nope. I have the whole « just woken up from under the overpass grundys jesus » look down.

Apr 11, 20 8:00 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

.

Apr 11, 20 8:46 pm  · 
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JLC-1

do I want to know what balkins said?

Apr 13, 20 1:46 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

JLC, it's just balkins explaining his grooming practices in light of all the video conferencing he believes he's doing.

Apr 13, 20 1:52 pm  · 
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Here's some things to do. 

  1. Complete your CEUs. There’s always a rush to get CEUs completed before licenses expire. Do them and more now. There are many free courses on the internet that will benefit your practice.
  2. Study areas of practice or design you believe will benefit you and your present or future firm. Amazon and USPS still deliver books.
  3. Dust off your resume and update it. Work on it…hard, very hard. If you have already been laid-off, get it in front of the right people at other firms now. Get a dialogue going with prospective employers and recruiters now. Check online hiring pages. Archinect, your local AIA job board, and others do show job openings. Connect with every recruiter you can find. Renew acquaintances with friends now. Find out what is happening at other firms. You must work at this as if it is your regular job...and harder.
  4. Send your information directly to principals. Several at the same firm won’t hurt. You can easily Google their email addresses. Forget about submitting through online job portals that screen your resume. You are good enough and qualified to communicate with the top people directly. Get a dialogue going.
  5. Participate in your local professional organizations to the most possible. There are webinars and Zoom meetings. Write to the speakers and panelists after the presentations. Let them know who you are.
  6. Linkedin, Facebook, and other networking sites are your business partners. They are not for connecting with friends. They are free marketing platforms and opportunities to showcase you and your work. There are sites online with good free advice on how to max out their potential.
  7. Clean up the junk on your computer. The more junk you have the slower your computer performs. With many more people slowing down the internet during all hours of the day, this may be beneficial. Besides, if it is a company computer you should not have personal stuff on it anyway. And, if it is your computer, it doesn’t hurt to keep it clean.
  8. If you are your firm, review your marketing materials. Update as needed. The business and client world will be very different in two or more months. Consider what market sectors may be hot in the future and plan. Be flexible!
  9. Respond to more proposals. You’ve got the time and need the work. Public agencies continue to release RFP/Qs noting submissions and reviews will be done electronically. Never considered public sector work? Bond and other monies are already dedicated to projects. Think again. Competition will be fierce. You will need to separate yourself from the herd.
  10. Write a monograph or magazine article. Get yourself and your ideas noticed. Architects are talented and smart and have knowledge that benefits others. Your articles may not get selected but, who knows. Put them on your company website or on your or someone elses blog. Share with clients, associates, and potential employers.
  11. Enter competitions. Most have not been cancelled. Submissions and reviews are electronic. Whether you win, place, show, or not put it on your website, in your portfolio, and resume.
  12. Reconnect with past clients and reach out to new potential clients. Start going through the thousands of business cards you have accumulated over the years.
  13. Revisit your insurance. My broker mentioned how few architects have force majeure clauses. He noted there should be specific mention of epidemics and pandemics – never know about the future. With the drop in revenue you might save a few bucks too.
  14. Have online meetings with your team, with friends and business associates. A friend in marketing has scheduled online ‘happy hours’ twice a week. It’s BYOB, of course. Zoom is free.
  15. Connect with consultants. Think of them as partners. Meet new engineers and specialty firms. They are in the same boat as you and will welcome the opportunity to meet potential clients.
  16. After every recession new firms have appeared. If this is in the cards, start getting your practice together. Start marketing yourself and your new firm. Incorporate! Become an SBE, MBE, WBE, etc. Now!!!
  17. Make a career move. Move laterally to construction management, learn design-build, forensics, sales, product design, and more. A friend now designs packaging for Whole Foods and other brands. Another does custom woodwork.
  18. Exercise. Be healthy. I read of people who ran marathons on their balcony. Be diligent. A healthy body yields miraculous results in your life.
  19. Have hope! This sounds easy to say and it is. Whatever your religion, philosophy, or if there is a motivational guru that turns you on and picks you up, you need daily inspiration. Check out Tony Robbins. He’s on YouTube and free. Try ‘Think and Grow Rich’. The philosophy is real. Wake up each day with the thought ‘Today is the greatest day of my life’ and it will be.


Apr 13, 20 9:04 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

and when all this fails, remember that Walmart always needs front door greeters.  Also worth noting, Tony Robins is just another form of snake-oil salesman.  Perfect if you've easily influenced by low-effort platitudes and general statements.

Apr 13, 20 9:13 am  · 
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Chad Miller

I'm building an archery range in my back yard, dose that count?

Apr 13, 20 10:43 am  · 
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audigaudi

I was laid off on March 20th when my higher ed projects started going on hold.  https://www.reddit.com/r/architecture/comments/fxxli9/laid_off_or_know_someone_who_has_ask/

I would highly suggest becoming a member of the Architect's Lobby, a group making an effort to provide a Union for us: https://www.facebook.com/architecturelobby/

Also, if you're on Facebook or LinkedIn please feel free to request to join the A + D Industry [support group] where we aim to have sponsored happy hours and virtual meet and greets!

https://www.facebook.com/groups/527027667838189/

https://www.linkedin.com/groups/12394449/

Apr 13, 20 11:15 am  · 
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