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Ukraine redux: war, Russophobia and Pipelineistan

https://thesaker.is/ukraine-redux-war-russophobia-and-pipelineistan/

Apr 10, 21 9:56 am  · 
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randomised

The Biden-Ukraine Conspiracy!

Apr 11, 21 6:12 am  · 
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x-jla

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/white-supremacy-is-the-root-of-all-race-related-violence-in-the-us-157566


Just want to post this to show how fucking retarded critical race theory is.  How is it possible for anyone this stupid to teach in academia? 

Apr 11, 21 11:21 am  · 
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x-jla

“ So when a Black person attacks an Asian person, the encounter is fueled perhaps by racism, but very specifically by white supremacy. White supremacy does not require a white person to perpetuate it.”. Anyone who believes this is racist and mentally retarded

Apr 11, 21 11:23 am  · 
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randomised

You just think that’s racist because of your white supremacy(!) :-P

Apr 11, 21 3:14 pm  · 
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randomised

wow?

Apr 12, 21 5:08 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

This is what pass for intelligent thinking in some circles. If you even spent half-a-minute and read just a little bit of "How To Be An Anti-Racist" you'd find that Black racists exist, something I had a difficult time accepting.

Apr 12, 21 4:55 pm  · 
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x-jla

“Anti-racist” is a neurotic movement that’s causing more harm than good.

Apr 12, 21 5:06 pm  · 
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x-jla

I thought the same. Punching up down theory fails at scale.

Apr 12, 21 5:21 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]
b3tadine[sutures]

https://www.naacp.org/criminal-justice-fact-sheet/

Apr 12, 21 5:43 pm  · 
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x-jla

“While people of color make up about 30 percent of the United States’ population, they account for 60 percent of those imprisoned. “. They also commit more serious crime that results in prison. This is a fact.

Apr 12, 21 6:10 pm  · 
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x-jla

But still, yeah there is definitely some racial disparity in sentences and lower quality of legal representation

Apr 12, 21 6:21 pm  · 
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x-jla

Maybe fixation on the idea that America is hopelessly racist is why Nigerian immigrants who believe America is land of opportunity do better than black and whites born in US?

Apr 12, 21 6:25 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]
b3tadine[sutures]

Everything has gotten worse. This place is just a refection of that. And that trend is accelerating rapidly.

Apr 13, 21 8:57 pm  · 
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x-jla

Nothing will get better until people become intellectually honest with themselves.

Apr 14, 21 1:16 am  · 
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tduds

lol

Apr 14, 21 10:51 am  · 
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square.

this place has somehow gotten worse.

Apr 13, 21 5:04 pm  · 
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x-jla

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/blm-official-calls-investigation-founder-114017918.html


Marxism will be different this time they say.  That devolved quickly.  Not surprisingly, she’s just doing what good marxists do with power-enrich themselves.  

Apr 13, 21 5:04 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Yep. But let's not talk about the trillions of dollars absconded by the corporate whores.

Apr 13, 21 5:41 pm  · 
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tduds

Dumb gossip to distract small minds. You took the bait.

Apr 13, 21 5:44 pm  · 
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x-jla

Whataboutism

Apr 14, 21 1:02 am  · 
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x-jla

“If you go around calling yourself a socialist, you have to ask how much of her own personal money is going to charitable causes,” he said. “It’s really sad because it makes people doubt the validity of the movement and overlook the fact that it’s the people that carry this movement.” It’s litterally not sad at all. This is what thinking people (aka horrible racist enemy trolls) have been saying all along. Power corrupts always. Power corrupts always. Power corrupts always. It’s been obvious that power was the goal. The cause was hijacked for power. Hopefully next people will realize that intersectionality is just a partly downloaded version of classical liberalism lololol. Maybe just slow learners?

Apr 14, 21 1:30 am  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

.


Apr 14, 21 4:57 am  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Of course it shouldn't go unnoticed that you only post links to organizations that are hell bent on destroying Black people. But I won't play. Racist.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/04/trump-campaign-scamming-elderly-voters-is-only-okay-when-we-do-it/amp

Apr 14, 21 5:00 am  · 
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x-jla

I’d argue that the woke shit, that is being mostly pushed by white people for the sake of the game (collect work points), is hurting black people more than anything.

Apr 14, 21 10:01 am  · 
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x-jla

If someone actually cared about struggling communities they would promote self empowerment, and discourage degenerative behavior like rioting and being blatantly disrespectful and defiant to the police, which obviously increases the likelihood of being hurt by the police. They would tell the truth about the true nature of risk, opportunity, and current position. It’s something like, if you wanted a give a ship it’s best chance of navigating the water you would give it accurate feedback, not exaggerated hyperbole. That would throw it off - of course

Apr 14, 21 10:06 am  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

^more racism. Congrats.

Apr 14, 21 10:23 am  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

You know you give up the ghost whenever you use "woke".

Apr 14, 21 10:25 am  · 
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x-jla

Racism= when people disagree with me and stuff -b3

Apr 14, 21 10:50 am  · 
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tduds

What'd I say? Dumb gossip to distract small minds.

Apr 14, 21 10:51 am  · 
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x-jla

Entrepreneurship, opportunity, creativity, discipline, health, education, property ownership....all things that racists don’t want other races acquiring. I’m litterally saying the opposite of what a racist would say. I’m just saying it without pussyfooting around truth.

Apr 14, 21 10:57 am  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

^yeah, you "woke". You say this in the comfort of your anonymity. You get zero.0 points.

Apr 14, 21 11:54 am  · 
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x-jla

“ Dumb gossip” the founder of the organization that people were called racist for criticizing, even when clearly distinguishing the organization from the movement, turns out to be skimming off the top and acting highly capitalistic while espousing that she’s a student of Marxism....and it’s gossip...ok whatever.

Apr 14, 21 12:04 pm  · 
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tduds

You say you like big ideas but whenever we've attempted to get into one you drag it down to individual mudslinging and "gotcha!" accusations of "hypocrisy." Because you like dumb gossip.

Apr 14, 21 12:28 pm  · 
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x-jla

Well, it’s kima

Apr 14, 21 2:44 pm  · 
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x-jla

*kinda like when some anti gay preacher gets caught giving someone a hand jibber in the men’s room. It’s hard not to say gotcha

Apr 14, 21 2:45 pm  · 
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x-jla

The self righteousness invites the gotcha.

Apr 14, 21 2:46 pm  · 
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tduds

He said, self righteously.

Apr 14, 21 5:16 pm  · 
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tduds

Enjoy your petty little soap opera thread you think is "Politics" I'm gonna go read some books.

Apr 14, 21 5:17 pm  · 
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Pagination changed recently. There used to be a comment about a new page and a chance to get it right at the top. Now it's at the bottom of page 9.

Somebody got their comments nuked from the thread. 

archi_dude?

Apr 14, 21 6:37 pm  · 
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randomised

Seems like it...

Apr 14, 21 6:59 pm  · 
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x-jla

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2021/4/14/22374196/calling-the-police-violence-alternatives


I don’t always agree with vox, but this article makes some good points.  

Apr 15, 21 10:33 am  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

WHAT?! We agree on something?

Apr 15, 21 7:51 pm  · 
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x-jla

I guess so :)

Apr 15, 21 9:58 pm  · 
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randomised

Okay, you guys agree, finally, can this thread be closed and archived now? Thanks!

Apr 16, 21 3:30 am  · 
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no double standard here:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNswTDWF9EL/?igshid=4frnnwem29vb

Apr 15, 21 7:21 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Maybe the kkkiller kkkops need more training?

Apr 15, 21 7:51 pm  · 
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x-jla

Not nearly as politicized^

Apr 15, 21 11:36 pm  · 
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x-jla

This isn’t racism. It’s over policing combined with a general disregard of human life.

Apr 15, 21 11:37 pm  · 
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x-jla

The race component comes into play due to the fact that black neighborhoods are typically higher crime because of all sorts of factors, including past racism. Correlation is not causation. It’s important to clearly diagnose the problem in order to create solutions.

Apr 15, 21 11:42 pm  · 
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randomised

So a black guy in a black neighbourhood is killed by cops because of the higher crime in that neighbourhood, the black guy in the white neighbourhood is killed by cops because he looks like coming from a neighbourhood with higher crime? What can black people do to finally not get killed by cops, because it seems to me they're in a Catch-22 situation here...

Apr 16, 21 3:45 am  · 
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Nothing. The culture is to kill Blacks. Whites don't get executed at random traffic stops. Police, economic persecution, racism, it's all part of the program to maintain an underclass that is used to instill fear in the general population, which makes them easier to manipulate. Hitler did it with Jews, the US is doing it with Blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, Asians ...

Apr 16, 21 10:28 am  · 
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x-jla

You don’t understand what I’m saying. Police should not be killing anyone unless they are armed and posing a threat, but when the police interact with someone there is a chance that a bad cop or negligent cop or overly vigilant cop will shoot someone. No one is saying that this is acceptable, just statistically obvious.

The more police interactions the greater chance you have of this happening. The more crime that you engage in the greater chance you have of this happening. Whites are eaten by sharks at a higher rate because they swim far out in the ocean at a higher rate, not because sharks are racist. Whites and blacks are BOTH killed by the police at a similar rate when you look at it per police encounter rather than per capita. This is because statistically blacks commit about 53% of all murders despite the fact that they only make up only 13% of the population. Overall crime is like 2x. Look it up. If you make up 13% of the population and commit 2x the amount of crime you can expect 2x the amount of police interactions and therefore 2x the amount of misfortunes at the hands of bad cops, overly vigilant cops, or negligent cops. You can cherry pick stories all you want to support a narrative, but if you look at the actual data, you will see the truth.

The truth is not better or more comforting. The truth points to a harder problem. The racism does not seem to be the immediate factor. The racial disparity is related to the income disparity that is a downstream result of past racial policies. We know crime is linked to poverty. Poor white neighborhoods have crime rates similar to poor black neighborhoods. Unfortunately, there is a higher proportion of blacks living in low income areas than whites per capita. To make matters worse, poor areas often get stocked with the lower experience cops. The ones with seniority work the cushy jobs in the burbs. Obviously, this adds file to the fire.

What’s the solution then? Decrease the amount of police interactions by decriminalizing victimless crime (thanks libertarians). Provide more opportunities and education in lower income areas to dissuade serious crime like gang violence, assault, burglary, etc. And, improve community and police relations.

Apr 16, 21 10:46 am  · 
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tduds

More white people swim because of vestigial generational effects from segregated pools.

Apr 16, 21 11:01 am  · 
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tduds

No one is saying (okay, no one worth taking seriously is saying..) that cops deliberately go out looking to murder some black folk because they're hood-wearing violent white supremacists. What people are saying is that the legacy of racism in this country has left us with a slew of different factors - from poverty to health to crime to education to stereotype to implicit & explicit bias - which American minorities, especially black Americans, being disproportionately impacted by. That's what we keep trying to explain by saying these things are systemic & structural. You just accidentally explained it to yourself above, but you're too arrogant or ignorant to figure that out.

Apr 16, 21 11:05 am  · 
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tduds

I do agree with your solution though. It's not *the whole* solution, but its definitely part of a solution.

Apr 16, 21 11:07 am  · 
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x-jla

I agree with that 100%. And yes, sharks are not racist but there is probably a historical reason whites swim out in the ocean more. The problem is that people ARE suggesting that police are kkk white supremacists. I agree completely with what you said.

Apr 16, 21 11:08 am  · 
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x-jla

Other than that point. And the tactics of protests and riots are completely counterproductive unless you assume that’s what people are saying.

Apr 16, 21 11:10 am  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

A system, that has its own historical legacy, tied to capturing runaway slaves, cannot be given the benefit of doubt when it comes to race, and racism. Chairman Hampton was sleeping in his bed, executed by kkkops. Police, real estate, medical, education, governance, all have tentacles in 18th and 19th century racist policies, that they, we, refuse to grapple with, all because, why? Because, that was in the past, yet, it wasn't thousands of years ago, it was only in a handful of generations ago.

Apr 16, 21 11:32 am  · 
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kudos to jla for making a clear point in one comment using paragraphs and everything.

Apr 16, 21 11:35 am  · 
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tduds

I can't remember where I heard it first but someone said it seems like America is trying to run out the clock on racism. & sorry but that's not how it works. Inertia won't fix itself, it takes action.

Apr 16, 21 11:42 am  · 
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Inertia: 

  1. a tendency to do nothing or to remain unchanged. 
  2. a property of matter by which it continues in its existing state of rest or uniform motion in a straight line, unless that state is changed by an external force.
Apr 16, 21 12:06 pm  · 
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randomised

“If you make up 13% of the population and commit 2x the amount of crime you can expect 2x the amount of police interactions and therefore 2x the amount of misfortunes at the hands of bad cops, overly vigilant cops, or negligent cops.”

If you are being singled out more by the police, it only makes sense they are likely going to find something that sticks...it is a self-fulfilling prophecy and a downward spiral in one...as black people also simply show up more in the statistics because they have more police interactions but they have more police interactions because they show up more in the statistics(!)

you can’t find what you’re not looking for...

Apr 17, 21 2:45 pm  · 
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x-jla

Not how it works random. Crime is absolutely higher in poor neighborhoods. Many poor neighborhoods are also minority neighborhoods. It’s not only a matter of more police presence. There is definitely more police presence, and there is definitely a higher chance of a black kid getting caught smoking a joint than a white kid in the burbs, but you don’t see the levels of serious crimes in the burbs as you do in the poorer areas. Native American reservations, poor white trailer parks, poor Mexican neighborhoods, all have high crime too. Not about race, but there is a racial component to poverty, and so the inequalities you see in the prison system are reflective of the income inequality among different races. But, there is also a cultural component. There is a gang culture in certain communities that doesn’t exist to the same degree as in other communities. So it’s not all about the system either. There are certain pathologies that correlate to certain cultures. Poor white areas have meth problems, poor black areas don’t really have meth problems for instance. Alcohol use in Native American areas, or Irish areas. There is a dysfunctional sub culture in the inner cities. When you have 15 year old kids running around murdering each other that’s dysfunctional. Removing the cops won’t stop that. These issues are all multi faceted.

Apr 18, 21 2:24 am  · 
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randomised

That IS how it works x-jla, it's called racial profiling and it targets non-whites specifically and intentionally, richer or poorer...why'd you think Chris Rock had to make his "PSA"?


Apr 18, 21 3:24 pm  · 
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tduds

*Describes the system exactly* 

"See, it's not about the system."

Apr 18, 21 6:40 pm  · 
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x-jla

Liberals should be as flippant with their own children. Next time your child’s grades start slipping, blame the school system. Blame everyone but them. Personal responsibility doesn’t work after all. Watch their grades decline even further.

Telling young kids growing up in the inner city that nothing is their fault is putting them in harms way. As we watch crime surge and violence surge in cities around the nation, it’s obvious to me that this narrative is at least partly to blame. I just hope you actually believe in this message, and will preach it to your own kids too. I won’t-don’t. I preach the same message to a black kid growing up in a rough neighborhood as I go to my own kids. Because I would rather look un-woke then spread a dangerous and unproductive message.

Apr 18, 21 9:10 pm  · 
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tduds

"Telling young kids growing up in the inner city that nothing is their fault is putting them in harms way." 

Good thing nobody's telling them that.

Apr 19, 21 7:58 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

xlax, you know what you've accomplished here, you and you alone? you've single-handedly have wore the fuck out of the term "woke", in fact 2020 is asking you to stop already...

Apr 19, 21 10:31 pm  · 
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x-jla

Thumbs down that Tduds because it’s not honest, and you know it. Media is telling them that. By media I mean all media including social media.

Apr 20, 21 3:01 pm  · 
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tduds

Post some examples then.

Apr 20, 21 5:59 pm  · 
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I can only imagine what jla is saying in response to this .

Apr 20, 21 3:10 pm  · 
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x-jla

To the article? I don’t doubt it at all. Like I’ve said, reduce interactions by getting rid of victimless crimes and simultaneously lowering crime in general

Apr 20, 21 5:58 pm  · 
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x-jla

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dDq4XwG19ak


One of the best conversations I’ve heard in a while.  Chloé Valdary on the Theory of Enchantment.  

Apr 19, 21 6:36 pm  · 
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x-jla
x-jla

Can someone explain how this is better than what trump did? Trump tells people to revolt against democratic results, Waters tells people to revolt against the result of a judicial process. Both things are fundamental to our country.

Apr 20, 21 3:04 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

I'm guessing that you missed the part about "stay in the street", as opposed to go to the Capitol? Or, the fact that protests, not overthrow the government, are fundamentally different? When did you lose sight of reality?

Apr 20, 21 3:27 pm  · 
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randomised

Happy 420?

Apr 20, 21 3:48 pm  · 
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x-jla

she said “get more confrontational”. That’s obviously on par with what trump said.

Apr 20, 21 3:49 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

No. It's. Not.

Apr 20, 21 3:55 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

First, juries aren't intimidated after the fact, after the verdict. Two, her comment wasn't aimed at jurors. Three, Trump's speech acts before January 6th led up to the event. Four, the certification of the election was actively under way. Five, the insurrectionists interrupted the certification. Six, no one died from Rep. Water's speech. Seven, there is no one actively attacking the courthouse. Seven, your arguments lack in many ways.

Apr 20, 21 4:01 pm  · 
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x-jla

Ok, you have a point. it’s still stupid to use inflammatory rhetoric as an elected official. Anyway, random reminded me of a pressing issue. Going to finish this stressful long day with a joint and cold beer while I plant a tree that I’ve had in a container on my patio for 2 weeks...

Apr 20, 21 5:56 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

There's a verdict.

Apr 20, 21 3:48 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

I expect that we'll be hearing helicopters all evening again...

Apr 20, 21 4:31 pm  · 
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seeing on the twitter that it's guilty

Apr 20, 21 5:15 pm  · 
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"Former Minneapolis Police Officer Derek Chauvin was found guilty on charges of second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/derek-chauvin-trial-verdict-n1264670

Apr 20, 21 5:17 pm  · 
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Yup. Guilty. The governor of MN still declared a state of emergency this morning at 7am CST.

Apr 20, 21 5:44 pm  · 
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x-jla

Guilty on all counts.

Apr 20, 21 5:53 pm  · 
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x-jla

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mynorthwest.com/2802297/wa-health-deny-vaccines-white-people/amp/


How is this not unconstitutional?



Apr 23, 21 2:38 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Do you know how the Constitution works?

Apr 23, 21 3:23 pm  · 
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x-jla

Yes, do you? This is a clear violation of the law. It’s a racist policy, and people should sue the piss out of the organization, remove their medical license,

Apr 23, 21 3:31 pm  · 
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x-jla

Until they follow the law. You clearly can’t deny someone treatment based on race. Clearly. How can you defend such a stupid and dangerous precedent?

Apr 23, 21 3:34 pm  · 
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tduds

Go sue them, then. Be the change.

Apr 23, 21 3:37 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

What's so awesome, is that your limited mental capacity prevents you from reading this opinion hit for the garbage it is. You take an obviously, horrible hit job, and don't even bother to do two things; do your research, and miss that this was slanted so far to the right, I was looking for the Heil Hitler at the end. It's one clinic, and likely one that most of you vvhytes would never visit, and the state of Washington is not keeping vvhytes from going someplace else to get their mind control vax. You insipid Dolt.

Oh, one more thing dummy. Whites are not a protected class, and States Rights. Now run back to your hovel.

Apr 23, 21 3:43 pm  · 
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x-jla

I don’t care enough to sue. Just another sign that this country is heading down a foolish and divisive path.

Apr 23, 21 3:48 pm  · 
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tduds

jla - It's not so much the uncritical gobbling up of any material - no matter how clearly slanted or how poorly researched - that confirms your existing beliefs. Most people do that, classic human nature. It's that you do it while being so insufferably smug and loud about how you don't.

Apr 23, 21 3:50 pm  · 
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x-jla

It’s one thing to target a specific group for help. It’s another to exclude a specific group. Completely different things

Apr 23, 21 3:51 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

The article is literally written by a pos who is routinely on Tucker Carlson. Nuff said.

Apr 23, 21 3:52 pm  · 
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x-jla

Did you read the article?

Apr 23, 21 3:53 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

White People practice genocide and slavery = A OK

Black People getting priority treatment for the vaccine when typically majority white communities get it first = Divisive NOT A OK

Apr 23, 21 3:54 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Yeah I read it. It's not an article, it's opinion, and I don't trust the writer.

Apr 23, 21 3:56 pm  · 
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tduds

Appalling that The African American Reach and Teach Health Ministry would prioritize the literal thing their name describes.

Apr 23, 21 3:58 pm  · 
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x-jla

I’m not being smug at all. Your orthodoxy is not allowing you to see the many many small steps this country has been taking down a very backwards path. It’s all started in academia. Everyone laughed “that’s just college who cares”. Then the culture wars “who cares”. Now this illiberal neo-Marxist bs has infected everything from politics to businesses.

Apr 23, 21 3:58 pm  · 
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x-jla

Like I’ve predicted for about a decade btw

Apr 23, 21 3:58 pm  · 
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tduds

Nah my "orthodoxy" is allowing me to see the scores of times that exact argument was used in the past to justify oppression, and how things are still fine decades or centuries after the people making those arguments lost. Shut off conservative talk radio & read a book.

ps you're extremely smug.

Apr 23, 21 4:00 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

I look forward to your pearl clutching when you find out that Governor of Florida allowed his rich, white donors to get the vaccination over poor communities. Oh, wait, that is Capitalism, it's ok. I'm going to dunk on you all day. I'm the Great White Dunker.

Apr 23, 21 4:01 pm  · 
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tduds

selective outrage is selective

Apr 23, 21 4:05 pm  · 
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x-jla

It’s a racist practice. Period. You can’t dunk because you are on the wrong court all together. Denying something to someone based solely on race is racist. I don’t give a shit who’s doing it to who.

Apr 23, 21 4:06 pm  · 
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tduds

Yeah we already know you struggle with the definition of racism. It's just weird how loudly you do it.

Apr 23, 21 4:09 pm  · 
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x-jla

“I look forward to your pearl clutching when you find out that Governor of Florida allowed his rich, white donors to get the vaccination over poor communities“. Then he should be held accountable too if he prioritized donors. 2 wrongs don’t make a right. Are kids not taught this anymore?

Apr 23, 21 4:10 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Close the thread, tduds thunder jammed.

Apr 23, 21 4:10 pm  · 
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tduds

This thread has improved since I stopped taking it seriously.

Apr 23, 21 4:12 pm  · 
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x-jla

“White People practice genocide and slavery = A OK

Black People getting priority treatment for the vaccine when typically majority white communities get it first = Divisive NOT A OK“.

There is so much wrong with this ahistorical, misguided, and reductive statement that I don’t know where to start. Better off not even engaging this one.

Apr 23, 21 4:16 pm  · 
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x-jla

“Yeah we already know you struggle with the definition of racism. It's just weird how loudly you do it.“. No, you do. The definition is clear. The illiberal libs changed it so that they could weaponize it. Now, the definition has lost all meaning.

Apr 23, 21 4:19 pm  · 
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tduds

So loud.

Apr 23, 21 4:21 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Yeah. I'm directly targeting your selective biases against Black Lives, in favor of your myopia when it comes to privileged vvhytes. I don't think organizations prioritizing Black Lives, when the systems of White Supremacy never did, or never do. Again. Show me where an organization, a non-denominational, non-profit is running afoul of The Constitution, cite the Amendment, and we can discuss your cited precedents.

Apr 23, 21 4:22 pm  · 
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x-jla

The only bias that I have is against this illiberal cancer that is going to set everything and everyone back.

Apr 23, 21 5:01 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Well, you're on a lonely island of one.

Apr 23, 21 5:18 pm  · 
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tduds

Eh it's Friday afternoon, I'll bite: How?

Apr 23, 21 6:00 pm  · 
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x-jla

How? By uprooting the entire project of liberalism. The idea that we should not judge or treat people differently or exclude people based on immutable (and id argue insignificant) physical characteristics. That’s how. It’s perfectly fine to focus aid towards underprivileged communities, but when it is done by race? Nope. Not cool. Zip code, fine. Income level, fine. Divisions based on racial exclusion is not ok, especially with something like medical aid. All black colleges do just fine without excluding non blacks.

Apr 23, 21 6:27 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

It's fairly clear, from all your bloviating, that you haven't read the piece, or visited the site. You took the headline as truth, and ran with it.

I don't see deny anywhere on the site.

Apr 23, 21 7:43 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Do you know why, they are prioritizing BIPOC communities? Let's see if you get this correct.

Apr 23, 21 7:46 pm  · 
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x-jla

Why not just treat everyone equally? Isn’t that the root of all these problems to begin with- treating one race different from another? You can still focus on a specific community without having to resort to this bs.

Apr 23, 21 8:04 pm  · 
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BabbleBeautiful

Sometimes, in order to correct something that has been wronged for so long a phase of over-correction needs to occur. Balance will eventually follow.

Apr 23, 21 8:11 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

What's great xla, is that you won't even answer my question.

Apr 23, 21 8:31 pm  · 
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x-jla

BB, that’s absolutely not in tune with the ideals that led to the major progresses we’ve seen over the years. It’s completely illiberal and will end up doing nothing but create more racism and division. It’s a dangerous precedent.

Apr 23, 21 9:19 pm  · 
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x-jla

B3, why? Because low vaccine rates or higher serious cases?

Apr 23, 21 9:20 pm  · 
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x-jla

“the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.” This is the ideal that I believe. Stick to what is right. Don’t look for vengeance or “overcorrection”. Be consistent, and in time things get better. It’s the only way. I understand it’s unfortunately slow, but it’s the only way. Any diversion from the “moral universe” will have unintended collateral effects that will eventually undo all of the real hard progress that’s been made.

Apr 23, 21 9:25 pm  · 
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BabbleBeautiful

How, exactly, will this create more racism?

And within the confides of your belief system, who are you to say that this isn't part of the slow progression as opposed to a diversion?

Apr 23, 21 10:11 pm  · 
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BabbleBeautiful

Also, what a load of crap. How does the civil war and war of independence fit in you long moral universe theory?

Apr 23, 21 10:29 pm  · 
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x-jla

It’s not my theory, it’s an MLK quote

Apr 23, 21 10:33 pm  · 
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tduds

"How? By uprooting the entire project of liberalism." 

No no no I meant specifically "How?" You write "Everyone laughed “that’s just college who cares”. Then the culture wars “who cares”. Now this illiberal neo-Marxist bs has infected everything from politics to businesses." 

Ok, what events are happening that are bad because of this? Show me individuals who are being harmed and why their harm is because of these trends you find so worrying. 

Cause, otherwise, it just kinda sounds like you're bitter that your pet philosophy isn't the dominant hegemony anymore and, frankly, who gives a shit?

Apr 24, 21 11:41 am  · 
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x-jla

pet philosophy=Tools of the enlightenment and values of liberalism that created the most free, diverse, and prosperous civilization that’s ever existed. “New dominant hegemony” the not so new rebranding of a deeply flawed philosophy that’s failed every time it’s been tried and led to hundreds of millions of deaths, mass starvation, and equality of extreme poverty. Boohoo right?

Apr 24, 21 1:08 pm  · 
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x-jla

Everyone has been or will be hurt by this anti-intellectual emo bs. It’s creating a culture where discussions are not possible and diversity of thought is shunned. Hopefully it’s a fad, like the Hoover era buzz cut dicks, the post 9-11 ultra nationalism, the Christian right pearl clutchers, and all the other illiberal bs. I fear though, that the woke shit is even more infectious. I’m not going to convince anyone in here.

Apr 24, 21 1:18 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

So, the Federal Government can intervene in the activities of religious organizations then?

Apr 24, 21 1:52 pm  · 
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tduds

So zero examples then. Ok. Got it.

Apr 24, 21 3:25 pm  · 
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x-jla

Tduds, get out of the bubble. Most-all of this shit is the doing of White elites, not minorities. Do you know how many actual Latinos use the term Latinx? 2%, and I will guarantee you they are either in academia or politics. Who does it hurt? Some people being cancel for saying something in 1983 or something...education in general...but It’s mostly an annoyance at the moment. No one is annoyed by this shit more than non whites who are circle jerking each other in academia- which is the majority, thankfully

Apr 24, 21 4:02 pm  · 
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x-jla

“who are not circle jerking...”

Apr 24, 21 4:03 pm  · 
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x-jla

And it obviously hurts dialogue and race relations. Do you think something like this vaccine issue makes people feel more or less racial tensions?

Apr 24, 21 4:05 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Well, given there are only two people butt-hurt, you and the writer, I'd say it's a small group of conservative back-biters that are feigning concern. Again, do you have a problem with the federal government intervening in the actions of religious organizations?

Apr 24, 21 4:36 pm  · 
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x-jla

Yes B3, I have a problem with the fed telling a religious group what to do. Religious groups are not however above the law. As the article states...” Given repeated opportunities over the course of several days, the state DOH would not directly answer whether or not this practice violates the law. Instead, the DOH repeatedly deflected, arguing that they’re taking necessary steps to provide equitable access to the vaccine. But it’s only equitable access if you have the right skin color.”. The DOH statement was where its imo a violation

Apr 25, 21 12:56 am  · 
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tduds

It's confusing that you're yelling at me instead of providing examples that I asked about. Surely that's not because you don't have any examples to point to. Surely not that.

Apr 26, 21 1:19 pm  · 
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tduds

Anyway, I think the main issue here is that a lot of people seem to misunderstand the difference between censorship and deplatforming. You have a right to speak, not a right to be listened to. What's occurring right now is the latter much less than the former. The doomsday extrapolation from various people in reaction to recent examples of deplatforming is, imo, overblown.

Apr 26, 21 1:23 pm  · 
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x-jla

Tduds, if you raise the consequences of honesty or holding opinions that diverge from the acceptable narrative you will stifle critical thinking, creative thought, honesty, and implant a confirmation bias that disrupts the pursuit of truth in media, education, and the evolution of social dynamics among different groups. This is obvious. Even Obama said-
“This idea of purity and you’re never compromised and you’re always politically ‘woke’ and all that stuff,” Mr. Obama said. “You should get over that quickly.”

“The world is messy; there are ambiguities,” he continued. “People who do really good stuff have flaws. People who you are fighting may love their kids, and share certain things with you.”

Apr 26, 21 4:36 pm  · 
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x-jla

Just like design, learning requires being allowed to make mistakes, and being allowed to test ideas. What’s most problematic with “woke” is that takes ideas and words too seriously. It demands a finished polished product. As you know, in design this is not possible or productive. We need a place for trace paper wads, bad cardboard models, and napkin sketch’s with coffee rings. Where is that place now?

Apr 26, 21 5:00 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

HRRRRG!

Sisyphus. The painting by Tiziano Vecellio (Titian)

Apr 23, 21 4:15 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Minnesota AIA continues to get it correct.

Apr 23, 21 8:30 pm  · 
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x-jla

I agree with everything in this statement except “anti-black bias in architecture”. What’s an example of this?

Apr 25, 21 10:43 am  · 
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curtkram

something like this? https://www.aia.org/pages/6303978-racial-equity-initiative-

Apr 25, 21 11:49 am  · 
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x-jla

Looks like a lot of typical identity politics bullshit. Any mention of...idk...removing expensive barriers to entry like licensing? Surly if a 15$ id is a barrier to vote then a 2-10 year low paid internship following a 100k degree program must be too, no?

Apr 25, 21 1:08 pm  · 
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x-jla

This woke shit has become nothing but a bone they throw to the public that really doesn’t require them giving up very much. “The banks are raping the American people...sorry we’ll send our employees a letter about micro aggressions if you keep letting us face fuck the public, cool?”

Apr 25, 21 1:11 pm  · 
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x-jla

And yes, I’m aware that the AIA doesn’t control licensing, but they sure have a big influence over the states, and they sure fight deregulation tooth and nail

Apr 25, 21 1:12 pm  · 
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x-jla

But coke is woke...they are asking the polar bears to be less white or something...as they sell their carbonated sugar to the masses probably contributing to so many health problems, and they create an enormous amount of plastic pollutants...but they are on board. The greatest scam of this decade is corporate America and establishment politics selling this fake woke shit to the public. Divide and distract
And you all don’t notice.

Apr 25, 21 1:16 pm  · 
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x-jla

It’s like Nino Brown giving out turkeys on thanksgiving.

Apr 25, 21 1:17 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

People using the term "woke" are either incapable of seeing the systemic problems that exist, or racists. Or both. You decide.

Apr 26, 21 10:13 am  · 
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Wood Guy

"Woke" is similar to "snowflake"--meant as an insult, but I wear the terms with pride--I'd rather be sensitive to others' plights than to be an insensitive asshole.

Apr 26, 21 10:36 am  · 
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I wonder what jla's clients would think of his views

Apr 26, 21 10:51 am  · 
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Sorry Chad, strong thumbs down on that one. That's the sort of talk that keeps me anonymous around here. Whether they would love, hate, or be indifferent about his views, that's something you don't mess with.

Apr 26, 21 12:36 pm  · 
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Wood Guy

As a purely hypothetical comment I think it's fine to wonder, but it does read a bit like a threat. I may not agree with most of XJLA's opinions but he has the right to hold them.

Apr 26, 21 12:41 pm  · 
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square.

i'm missing the problem here, seems like a bit of an overreaction. unless chad knows xlax's identity, i think the speculation is proving a point. not that i've read a post from xlax anytime recently..

Apr 26, 21 12:57 pm  · 
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I actually do know jla's identity and business. I find many of his comments racist and stupid. However he's allowed to have those opinions as long as he's not causing harm.  Square is correct in my intent though - would jla say these things to his clients?

For me posting anonymous is a pet peeve of mine.  What you say online is no different than saying it in person.  If you're not comfortable with someone knowing who you are online because of what you say then you shouldn't be saying it. 

That being said I do see a difference between posting anonymously to protect yourself from retribution for exposing harmful or illegal actions of others and posting anonymously just so you can get away with saying shit that would get you in trouble.  

Apr 26, 21 1:16 pm  · 
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Witty Banter

"I agree with everything in this statement except “anti-black bias in architecture”. What’s an example of this?"

To begin, that isn't the quote.

"Looks like a lot of typical identity politics bullshit. Any mention of...idk...removing expensive barriers to entry like licensing? Surly if a 15$ id is a barrier to vote then a 2-10 year low paid internship following a 100k degree program must be too, no?"

I'm not aware of AIA National publicly supporting this position but there are AIA chapters working on removing the education requirement as we speak.  My state has an alternative path to licensure and as a member of my chapter's board I have been involved in discussions of how we can support other states adopt similar alternative paths.

Apr 26, 21 1:20 pm  · 
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square.

yeah, i mean you sort of have to be aware that anything you say online could eventually come back to you, even if anonymous. there's no guaranteed protection.

Apr 26, 21 2:39 pm  · 
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x-jla

Chad, can you please find one thing I’ve said that is racist?

Apr 26, 21 3:37 pm  · 
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x-jla

You won’t be able to. Just a knee jerk reductionist conclusion that people say without actually looking at what’s being said. What I’m saying is in fact, the opposite of racist. Your just equating anti-leftist with racist. That’s silly

Apr 26, 21 3:39 pm  · 
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x-jla

Also, my anonymity is my choice. I can’t control how much of what I post is read and take out of context. It’s unlikely anyone seeing my posts will understand them in the broader context of my philosophy, or give me the benefit of the doubt that I’m speaking from a place of good intentions, whether I’m right or wrong. I do truly want the best for everyone. I just disagree that the current narrative will provide that. Instead, it seems like a game being played by power hungry corporations, groups, individuals, and government - to either divide and conquer, rebrand their toxic practices, or gain social status.

Apr 26, 21 3:44 pm  · 
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tduds

exhibit a

Apr 26, 21 3:47 pm  · 
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square.

i can't believe i have to respond to this.. but what's the common thread here, mentioned 7 times?

poverty.

Apr 26, 21 4:00 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Wood, I agree, I don't care if people think I'm woke. Dumbasses who do, don't know shit about me. I didn't wake up in 2008 and think that racism was over, just the opposite. It's these racist smear merchants like xlax spreading a blatant disregard for the reality that exists, who often resort to that bullshit.

Apr 26, 21 4:24 pm  · 
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x-jla

Tduds, is this not true? You don’t believe that certain cultures foster certain pathologies? There was actually a study done that I read about comparing poor Irish neighborhoods with poor Italian neighborhoods in the early 20th century. The Irish had a whisky culture and a culture that used alcohol in certain social settings that led to increased alcoholism where as the Italians had a wine culture that mostly was integrated with meals. They had a very low problem with alcoholism. Americans abuse cocaine whereas Peruvians use it sparingly like we use coffee. Yes, some cultures have different codes of conduct, traditions, problems, etc. that’s all I meant.

Apr 26, 21 4:24 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

I wonder how all this garbage reconciles with the idea of a "color blind" society? Color blind, but a limited understanding of one aspect of a culture, means the entirety of that culture is "x". We're one step away from calling Jews good with money, and Chinese are great at math and science, hell everyone knows that all Russians are forced to drink vodka from the bottle at birth.

Apr 26, 21 4:38 pm  · 
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x-jla

Again with the names, “racist smear merchants”. Please show where what I said is racist.

Apr 26, 21 4:46 pm  · 
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x-jla

B3, race and culture are 2 completely different things. Are you implying that cultural differences don’t exist? Someone alert the cultural anthropologists

Apr 26, 21 4:48 pm  · 
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x-jla

And nothing I’ve said negates my belief in a colorblind society either. That should be the goal post. That was the goal post over the last couple decades. It’s changed. I’ve never said that we reached the goal post. I’ve never said that systematic problems don’t exist. All I’ve said is that the goal post should not have changed. I also don’t blame anyone at all for being impatient with the rate of change. MLK’s dream is a long slow one. I just believe that the long slow road is the correct route towards the best goal.

Apr 26, 21 4:54 pm  · 
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Witty Banter

Just because a colorblind society was your goalpost does not mean it was the goalpost.

Apr 26, 21 5:16 pm  · 
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tduds

Listen I didn't look very hard I'm sure there are better examples.

Apr 26, 21 5:22 pm  · 
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tduds

Anyway my Irish great grandfather famously (within the family, at least) slowly drank himself to death after immigrating because of the lack of social cohesion, constant money worry, and frequent exclusion he faced in America. So, you know, if you see an overlap between a "whiskey culture" and "alcoholism" there's a causal instigator there and its - if not explicit than implicit - racism.

Apr 26, 21 5:25 pm  · 
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tduds

And just for the record, jla, I do not think you're racist. I do think your views are much less examined than you think they are, but not racist. Ok back to lazily trolling...

Apr 26, 21 5:27 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Of course you'd misunderstand MLK's words. You read them as passive, divinely provided, and nothing could be further from the truth.

Go read a book, or a fucking article.

Apr 26, 21 5:32 pm  · 
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x-jla

I don’t think you guys are understanding my points. I’m probably not being as clear as I should. Let me try again-

There are problems that communities face. Many problems are caused by poverty. These problems manifest differently in different communities for all sorts of reasons.

Some reasons are external. Specific types of Drugs for example are due to proximity and availability. While substance abuse may be a universal feature of poverty, betel nut is only a problem in SE Asia, because it’s only available in SE Asia. But, betel nut use has become a cultural/social practice.

Some reasons are more internally generated. For example, very religious cultures may treat sexual promiscuity or homosexuality harshly. Some cultures promote/embrace a macho male role. This obviously creates a certain dynamic within that culture.

Culture is not race. Even the culture of NYers differs greatly from that of Californians.

If you fail to acknowledge the cultural factors, you are not seeing the whole picture. There is a gang culture in certain communities. There is a rape culture in certain communities. There is a fighting culture in certain communities. Geez. When I was kid fights happened in my elementary school daily. They seldom happen in my kids elementary school. I clearly remember a culture of fighting where the good fighters got praised, the parents scolded the kids for losing a fight. This was the culture then and there. It’s not the culture here and now. This was not about poverty or race. It was a feature of the time and neighborhood. Anyone in the neighborhood who was persuaded by the culture took part in that culture regardless of race or ethnicity.

Apr 26, 21 6:02 pm  · 
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tduds

Which culture does your beating of a dead horse arise from?

Apr 26, 21 6:14 pm  · 
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x-jla

On more point before I go away. Look into suicide culture in Japan. It’s a thing. Perfect example of a specific pathology of a specific culture.

Apr 26, 21 6:15 pm  · 
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x-jla

The left would focus on the externalities, capitalism, high cost of living in Japan, work environments, etc. yeah, but that’s only part of the story. The fact that suicide is regarded as honorable certainty plays a very big role as do the high expectations of Japanese culture.

Apr 26, 21 6:19 pm  · 
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tduds

*Looking into 'not shutting the fuck up' culture in White America*

Apr 26, 21 6:23 pm  · 
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tduds

Sure I could focus on rhetoric, citations, examples, history, etc. but that's only part of the story. Turns out that not shutting the fuck up is considered honorable in some subcultures of White America.

Apr 26, 21 6:24 pm  · 
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tduds

I've even heard that, in some remote villages, shutting the fuck up is considered a violation of ones fundamental rights.

Apr 26, 21 6:25 pm  · 
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x-jla

“ Turns out that not shutting the fuck up is considered honorable in some subcultures of White America” I’m a second generation American...The culture I come from is stereotyped as being very stubborn and thick headed.

Apr 26, 21 6:30 pm  · 
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x-jla

Go figure lol

Apr 26, 21 6:30 pm  · 
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tduds

Look I gave you plenty of heads up...

Apr 26, 21 6:38 pm  · 
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x-jla

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/biden-recognizes-massacre-armenians-genocide/


Props to Biden for doing this.   Long overdue for the Armenian community here and abroad.  

Apr 25, 21 10:39 am  · 
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curtkram

just to be clear, this is not in the past. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Nagorno-Karabakh_war

Apr 25, 21 11:47 am  · 
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randomised

I was wondering why Erdoğan started killing Kurds again in Iraq right now...but he’s just blowing off steam and diverting attention away from one genocide by creating another.

Apr 25, 21 3:18 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

Why do we have any lower courts again? Oh, right. To make sure the pea brains in the supreme court's conservative club don't have to work as hard to dismantle protections for everyone who isn't white, male,  a gun, or a corporation.

Apr 26, 21 11:51 am  · 
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tduds

I think I missed the context that this is referring to?

Apr 26, 21 6:38 pm  · 
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Not sure tduds. Only thing I've seen lately that might fit is the "public charge" rule that SCOTUS essentially sent back to the lower courts. I'm not fully up to speed on it though so I'm not sure if it really fits SP's complaint.

Apr 26, 21 6:53 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

Recent decision to make sure we can keep kids of color in prison for life with no pesky reading or thinking required for the judge or jury, upcoming loosening of gun "rights'," making sure there's no oversight abilities for charitable donations, etc etc.

Apr 26, 21 9:16 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

Point being that the lower court decisions (as well as previous SCOTUS rulings) do nothing except make sure the only cases that percolate up through the system are the ones these shitgibbons can use to the greatest political effect.

Apr 26, 21 9:18 pm  · 
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x-jla

Do you have any idea the type of heinous crime that you have to commit to get life as a juvenile? This is not something given out lightly. This is like school shooters and others. Not defending life without parole, but that’s a a sentence saved for especially severe crimes. I also don’t see anything in there about race. Look up kids sentenced to life and there’s plenty of white young serial killer types.

Apr 26, 21 10:47 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

x-jla is ignored by you

Apr 27, 21 11:55 am  · 
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x-jla

what is wrong with our cowardly society?  Elderly Asian people being violently beaten and no one steps in to help?  What tf is going on here?  Every Asian person needs to CC, legal or not.  

Apr 28, 21 3:54 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Yeah! Break the law. If only every Black person would have thought about that during slavery. You fucking child.

Apr 29, 21 3:55 pm  · 
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tduds

"Women should stop dressing so provocatively!"

Apr 29, 21 5:06 pm  · 
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x-jla

If you see an old lady getting stomped in the head, you are allowed to intervene with necessary force. Nothing illegal.

Apr 29, 21 7:31 pm  · 
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tduds

Anyway the rise in racist attacks in this country is disgusting and the seeming lack of intervention is disheartening.

Apr 29, 21 8:04 pm  · 
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x-jla

Tim Scott could have a good chance in 2024.  I may consider voting Republican if he runs.  

Apr 29, 21 3:06 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Tim Scott is garbage. His talk last night, garbage. No policy. No acknowledging the reality, only what mealy mouthed vvhytes want to hear.

Apr 29, 21 3:54 pm  · 
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x-jla

What reality?

Apr 29, 21 7:32 pm  · 
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x-jla
x-jla

Adherence to Covid restrictions has become an expression of ones political/quasi religious identity.

May 4, 21 12:24 pm  · 
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x-jla

When I see someone walking outside in full sun, 50 ft away from any other human, wearing a mask....I know they have a low IQ

May 4, 21 12:25 pm  · 
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What part of that person expressing their individual freedom to wear whatever they want 50 ft away from anyone while enjoying the sunshine indicates a low IQ?

May 5, 21 1:41 pm  · 
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tduds

lol IQ.

May 5, 21 2:33 pm  · 
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square.

*looks to see if there is anything lively, thoughtful conversation going on*

May 4, 21 12:32 pm  · 
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May 4, 21 1:08 pm  · 
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Bench

OK now this is getting too meta, most of the thread is me seeing the message "x-jla is ignored by you" and the rest of it is people posting the same thing as images or quotes.

May 4, 21 1:19 pm  · 
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tduds

Petition to rename this thread "x-jla tries to dunk on libs in an empty room"

May 4, 21 12:34 pm  · 
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Granted. Also acceptable is 'x-jla talks to himself'

May 4, 21 1:07 pm  · 
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You need game to dunk.

May 4, 21 7:17 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]


go ahead dummy.

May 4, 21 5:57 pm  · 
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x-jla

The whole “anyone who disagrees is a racist” thing has been debunked already.

May 5, 21 2:04 am  · 
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x-jla

The woke religion (because that’s what it is) ignores a simple
Fact: world is better than ever on almost every metric for more people.

May 5, 21 2:14 am  · 
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x-jla

It’s a religion of negativity. Nothing bothers woke people more than a positive mental attitude, or pointing out the positive progress that we’ve made over the decades on so many levels. Like how expanded trade and capitalism has lowered extreme poverty from 30% to 10% over just the last 20 years. How sub Saharan Africa is not only feeding its people, but producing surpluses that they are exporting, how energy is becoming more efficient, how crime (was) down, how the average income has gone up, especially for minorities, etc etc etc...Get some PMA! The negative bs is for grifters and generally miserable people. It’s destroying the psychology of vulnerable people in ways that you don’t realize

May 5, 21 2:22 am  · 
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tduds

A masterclass in how to lie with statistics.

May 5, 21 12:55 pm  · 
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BabbleBeautiful

I don't understand this tweet. Even if it were sarcasm I don't get it.

May 5, 21 1:40 pm  · 
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x-jla

Tduds, what’s a lie?

May 5, 21 1:43 pm  · 
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x-jla

BB, she’s not being sarcastic. She’s trying to use a bully tactic to silence and demonize dissent from her ideological quasi religious package deal. It’s like saying that if you don’t support Qannon you are a secret pedophile, because part of Qannons thing is this uncovering of child trafficking rings in the deep state, pizza gate bs. So, any decent person against such things should be on board with Q right? The left can’t understand that “woke” and “Q” are both very similar things. They are religious like belief systems that operate on pure emotion, interpretation, and adherence to an orthodoxy of thought and speech.

May 5, 21 1:59 pm  · 
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x-jla

Anyway, I’m going back into retirement. This is pointless.

May 5, 21 2:01 pm  · 
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tduds

Naw it's a half- joke that clearly has merit seeing by the nerves it hit.

May 5, 21 2:32 pm  · 
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BabbleBeautiful

It feels hyperbolic.

May 5, 21 2:43 pm  · 
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tduds

Therein lies the joke.

May 5, 21 2:50 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Babble, for me, the example as described in the tweet, best represents what fraudsters like xla, and others in the conservative echo chamber, like to do to challenge the movements for Black Lives. Especially when white people like me challenge the white supremacy, and capitalist narrative that has been destroying the country.

They want to use "woke" as an insult, instead of dealing with reality. I'm not offended, but Bree is correct.

May 5, 21 4:34 pm  · 
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x-jla

Capitalism has destroyed the country-false

May 5, 21 4:44 pm  · 
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x-jla

Capitalism has lifted more people from poverty than any system ever. The overall standards of living for a black person in 2021 is magnitudes higher than it was for a white or anyone living 100 years ago. Capitalism has greatly reduced famine, increased opportunities, and reduced overall suffering. “Woke” is surrounded by hints of neo-Marxist bs. But, I actually know Venezuelans who went from a middle class life to literal starvation over a decade. Guess why? Guess who’s still doing ok over there?

May 5, 21 4:49 pm  · 
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x-jla

No one falls for this bully shit anymore. Either support your points with facts and evidence or you lose. Too bad. “If you disagree you’re racist” is a banned move in the thinking world. Foul.

May 5, 21 4:53 pm  · 
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tduds

"Capitalism has lifted more people from poverty than any system ever." 

I'm going to elaborate on this one and nothing else, simply for the sake of time. This is, to me, the "How to Lie With Statistics" archetype. The framing is not incorrect, just simplified. As an analogy, imagine poverty as drowning. You're not wrong to say that "Capitalism" (as you define it) has saved a huge proportion of the world from "drowning", more than any other system in the past. 

But what this "fact" ignores is that some people are clinging to a floating plank while others have 300' yachts and unlimited champagne. And whenever the people on the planks suggest that some of the champagne budget might help pay for, say, a rowboat, they're told "You should be thankful you're not drowning anymore!" Kinda rings hollow imo.

May 5, 21 5:32 pm  · 
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tduds

There's also an entirely different argument which points out, rightly, that before we invented capitalism (and even for a while after capitalism's initial ascension) Feudalism was the system that lifted the most people out of poverty in human history. There's nothing to suggest something else far more successful might supplant capitalism in the future, and pointing to it's past success does nothing to counter the claim that capitalism as a system is starting to show its age. Things evolve.

May 5, 21 5:36 pm  · 
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The Planet Money people at NPR did a podcast recently on socialism and it pointed out that evolution of economic systems thing. For a 20-min overview of the history and critique of capitalism, it wasn't a bad episode. Worth a listen at any rate. https://www.npr.org/2021/03/26/981686254/socialism-101

May 5, 21 5:57 pm  · 
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x-jla

I’m not saying that something more successful ought not supplanted capitalism in the future. I’m saying that thing has not yet been “invented”. It hasn’t been invented because civil liberties that we enjoy are tethered to free markets and we haven’t figured out a way to provide for them without the freedom to engage in trade. Economics is more than money. Being a musician is different in capitalist system than in a communist system for instance. Your also being disingenuous about the plank thing. “Plank” is more like food, transportation, shelter, upward mobility, etc etc. On top of this, you can see communist countries like China and Russia that imported capitalism and saved their asses by doing so. Before this, poverty in China and Russia was abhorrent. A plank is a plank whether a yacht is sailing in the distance or not.

May 5, 21 6:07 pm  · 
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x-jla

Inequality is a stupid metric. It’s more useful to measure the increase in average living standards and the condition of the poorest people than worry about how many watches Kanye has

May 5, 21 6:10 pm  · 
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tduds

Defend capitalism without talking about communism challenge go.

May 5, 21 6:43 pm  · 
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tduds

EA - That planet money episode was great! I caught it a couple of weeks back. Very even-handed I thought.

May 5, 21 6:43 pm  · 
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tduds

Outliers skew averages. Perhaps we could discuss medians.

May 5, 21 6:44 pm  · 
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x-jla

https://www.humanprogress.org/ylin/

May 5, 21 7:16 pm  · 
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x-jla

Facts^ Go ahead and debunk

May 5, 21 7:16 pm  · 
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tduds

Facts without context are simply trivia.

May 5, 21 8:35 pm  · 
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x-jla

The site has plenty of context. It’s all data from reliable 3rd party sources like the UN.

May 5, 21 10:15 pm  · 
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x-jla

Has an article about this

May 5, 21 10:17 pm  · 
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randomised

everybody’s ignoring x-jla but can’t stop talking about him...he must hit a nerve here or there. Maybe this thread should be called: 


“X-jla is ignored by you-Central” 


For all that want to discuss the fact they’re ignoring x-jla but can’t shut up about it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

May 5, 21 3:43 am  · 
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square.

ok buddy {-_) am i doing this right?

May 5, 21 1:32 pm  · 
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tduds

Not to throw more gasolene on the fire but I just saw this tweet and reminded me of this entire thread.


May 5, 21 3:38 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

This is good.

May 5, 21 4:30 pm  · 
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x-jla

Oh, I’m not worried about white people. They’ll be just fine. It’s bad for white people, but It’s most damaging to black people actually. Mostly, it’s just dogma and lacks actual scientific and intellectual rigor and honesty. That’s my problem.

May 5, 21 4:38 pm  · 
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x-jla

Talk about a reductionist theory...geez.

May 5, 21 4:43 pm  · 
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x-jla

“Woke” is like architecture education. It teaches fluffy things that are partly true, mostly cherry picked, delivered with hyperbole and made up verbiage...that poorly prepare you for navigating the real world, and create an overall tunnel vision that winds you up interning into your 30’s

May 5, 21 5:02 pm  · 
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x-jla

If I had a dime for every anti capitalist rant I heard in arch school id be able to pay my debt. Meanwhile 100% of students now work in a company that exists and operates in a capitalist system...even if they moved abroad

May 5, 21 5:04 pm  · 
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x-jla

Imagine if they spent a semester learning about how to contribute economically rather than how to build socialist gender neutral moon colonies

May 5, 21 5:05 pm  · 
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tduds

*cracks knuckles* 

What's reductionist about it?

May 5, 21 5:25 pm  · 
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x-jla

intersectionality (which is a component) Is literally a reduction of individualism. Ones identity is abstracted into reduced categories based on a finite number of intersections vs the totality that results in something like 7.8 billion individual identities.

May 5, 21 6:28 pm  · 
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x-jla

As for critical race theory, it reduced every societal problem to power hierarchies based around racial groups. It’s Marxism that simply swapped class for race as the justification of the philosophy. Take any problems being examined by the CRT’s...and It completely ignores all of the many other variables. It’s completely anti scientific because it assumes a conclusion, by it’s nature. A little like the alien guy with the wild hair...but not as funny.

May 5, 21 6:35 pm  · 
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tduds

Who is saying this?

May 5, 21 6:42 pm  · 
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May 5, 21 6:39 pm  · 
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bowling_ball

Same

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