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threadkilla

bump. a-f do you have one to post?

Jan 12, 18 3:03 pm
a-f

Yes, let's revive this thread!


Jan 16, 18 6:05 am
Positive Pete

it looks like a campus of sorts located in the hills/mountains, but that is all I have.

quondam...

thought this might be Finnish, so I looked for one of the first architecture books I've ever owned -- Modern Architecture in Finland (1970) -- couldn't find the book yesterday, but remembered today where it probably was and found it -- the plan is in the book and a picture of this place is even on the cover -- Reima Pietila & Raili Paatelainen, Dipoli, student's activity center, Otaniemi, 1966

threadkilla

Nice! It kind of reminded me of Aalto's Säynätsalo Town Hall, but I knew it was a different project, so was looking into Aalto hoping for clues. Turns out this campus is currently part of Aalto University! For recent photos and a walkthrough writeup: http://elec.aalto.fi/en/current/news/2017-11-08-003/

a-f

Correct, the Aalto University would have been part of my first clue of course, but in the end it wasn't necessary. This kind of research is what makes the thread worthwhile!

a-f

The entrance facade is beautiful. The excavated shapes look impressive in plan but are a bit underwhelming in reality.


quondam...

this is one of the captions for Dipoli in MODERN ARCHITECTURE IN FINLAND: This building is regarded by many as architectural anarchy. It is anarchist in its relationship towards formalist constructivism, yet it is also the most natural and obvious solution to the problems it had to solve. The building is intended to reflect the natural background; the ground floor corridor, for example, represents a river bed and even has rocks and boulders to heighten the effect.

quondam...

hint: unbuilt NYC

Jan 18, 18 7:17 pm
threadkilla

any more hints? looks like it's from 1920s or 1930s

quondam...

I wasn't sure if this would be easy or not. It's certainly not from the first half of the 20th century. The work of the architect is very well known, although he passed away what to some young architects would be almost a life-time ago. I saw a plan of Adam's Lord Derby's House today and immediately though that might very well have been the inspiration.

Positive Pete

the hatching made me think more recent. it's a strange row/townhouse kind of thing, but I'll need more hints.

threadkilla

There's some interesting things going on with the columns... So is it postmodern? James Stirling
?

quondam...

threadkilla, are you asking or telling. . .

threadkilla

it was an educated guess last night, but since you've confirmed the direction of my line of thought I found it :)

threadkilla

James Stirling, Michael Wilford and Associates (with Robert Livesey listed as the one responsible for the preliminary design) - Solow Townhouses aka 11 Townhouses on East 67th St. 1978 or 1979

The first three floors consist of alternating five-story, "thin man"
(18-feet-wide) homes and three-story, "fat man" (38-feet-wide) homes. The top two floors also alternate between two-story, "fat man" homes and the top two floors of the ground-level "thin man" homes.

https://ksamedia.osu.edu/work/...

quondam...

very good

a-f

So, these are all ground-access apartments with individual elevators?

quondam...

Yes, that's right--individual stairs and elevators. All the floor plans are published within JAMES STIRLING: BUILDINGS AND PROJECTS (Rizzoli, 1984).

threadkilla

hint: trying to up the Can-Con in this thread :)

Jan 20, 18 4:06 pm
Positive Pete

very organic.

Positive Pete

Any hints?

threadkilla

Non-Sequitur should probably know this one for sure :)

threadkilla

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threadkilla

I thought this might be a somewhat easy one, but perhaps the image clues are not enough (though they get me to the project in two clicks with google)... This much-decorated architect was one of the first to implement CAD for design and documentation, and this project pretty much kick-started his career...

jw468

Is it the Douglas J. Cardinal Performing Arts Centre by Douglas Cardinal?

threadkilla

You have the right architect! But the wrong building, although both are assembly spaces, and are in the same province. The amber stag is hinting at the right location.

jw468

St. Mary's Roman Catholic Church in Red Deer.

threadkilla

bingo! it's our own Little Ronchamp on the Praries :)

"Father Merx had a vision of a church that could carry the very
abstraction of the Spirit of the Church, past present and future. He
hired Architect Douglas Cardinal and together while listening to Bach’s organ music they designed a church around the new liturgy.

The church thus stands as a monument to spirituality. Based on the ideas of the first Christian gatherings before the cruciform basilica plan was created, Father Merx environed a design centered in the Eucharist, the symbol of Christ’s Living. An oculus to the altar and the tabernacle directs natural light as a symbol of divine light. The amorphous ceiling, a technical feat of the times, creates the acoustics to carry the Word of Christ without microphones. Even the confessional’s unique design using tempered glass to allow in the light of the altar inspires deep spiritual reconciliation."

http://www.djcarchitect.com/wo...

threadkilla

a few more wise words from Douglas Cardinal, best known for his design for the Canadian Museum of Civilization in Ottawa:

"I have always maintained that the endeavours of all Canadians should be directed towards a betterment of the human condition. Therefore in my role as planner and architect, and as the coordinator of technologists, I see a tremendous opportunity to petition the needs of the individual and to reinstate our humanness as the most important element in all of our efforts. I have found that by placing the needs of the human being before the systems that modern man has created, we can ensure that man is indeed served by these systems rather than becoming a slave to them."

The complexity of his serpentine architectural forms presents difficult geometrical problems; his church at Red Deer, for example, required 82,000 simultaneous equations to design the tent-like roof structure. To solve these and to accommodate the dynamic process of design, involving frequent changes in technical drawings and the repetitive procedures involved in producing updated sets of drawings, CAD was a natural answer. It gives accuracy, speed, and coordination, releasing staff from tedious manual drafting tasks to devote more time to design refinements. By itself, of course, it cannot guarantee a better building - that responsibility remains with the creative skill of the architect.

http://www.historymuseum.ca/cm...

and more from St. Mary's in Red Deer, completed in 1969he's 34 or 35 years old in this photo!

Jan 22, 18 2:04 am
randomised

Wow, that's pretty impressive! Love those 'Beam me up Scotty' apertures :)

jw468

Interesting building and architect!

a-f

Yes, what an incredibly weird sci-fi architecture! Me gusta.

jw468

Next:


Jan 22, 18 7:34 am
Positive Pete

A door to a spiral stair....the columns are plus signs in section (mies did that i think)...

threadkilla

very Miesian, almost like an abbreviated Tugendhat house

jw468

It's not Mies, or a house; however, it is in Europe. It's also somewhat related to my first contribution in this thread.

a-f

A chapel of some sorts? Related to Lewerentz but no Asplund...

a-f

Yes, it is Bernt Nyberg's Klockarebacken chapel! I've seen that church hall before...

Choices of materials and details are sometimes very Lewerentz, the plan not so much.


a-f

I've been trying to find any book on Nyberg's work for a while but it's impossible.

jw468

There are two, an exhibition catalog, Endangered Architecture: The Work of Bernt Nyberg, and a+u's 2017 September issue featuring monographic coverage of Nyberg's work.

The a+u is sold out now; however, the editor of the catalog, Matt Hall, Assistant Professor of Architecture at Auburn, might be able to help you.



jw468

There's also a podcast episode, which is in Swedish and English:

http://summitunlimited.se/88-l...

a-f

Ah, I didn't know there was an a+u of his work. Thanks for the help!

threadkilla

Holy mortar joints, that's some hella fuzzy detailing! Def. seeing the Lewerentz reference in surface materiality, but maintin that the plan has a strong Miesian feel to it. Nice contrast to the brickwork in my post,
as well

jw468

a-f, a+u has the Nyberg issue back in stock.

a-f

Off to a hotter climate:


Jan 23, 18 3:52 am
quondam...

Jorn Utzon, Can Lis, 1972

a-f

Nailed it.


Positive Pete

those portals are awesome.

a-f

No guesses? This is the architect's own house.

Jan 24, 18 3:39 pm
Positive Pete

South america?

quondam...

a competition entry that did not win

Jan 25, 18 12:51 pm
threadkilla

Looks like a PoMo project - but not one that I'm particularly familiar with. Did the competition result in a building? Any other hints? maybe a location or actual winner ?

quondam...

Looks like you're right about the project's stylistic period. The winning design was executed, but the location and actual winner might give it away too easily. Part of the plan above includes an existing building, inclusion of which was part of the competition brief, plus the program of the new building is a type that I like to collect.

threadkilla

Ok, so it's a losing competition entry for a museum building/ expansion from sometime between 1969 and 1989...

quondam...

Split the difference between 1969 and 1989 and you get the year of design. Ungers also had to include an existing building for one of his museum designs (that also got built nearby)... ...oh, and this design and the winning design are kind of "night and day" (or color variations of that sense).

jw468

Is this the Museum für Kunsthandwerk by Venturi, Rauch, & Scott Brown, from 1979? Richard Meier won the competition.

quondam...

It is the Museum für Kunsthandwerk (1979) by Venturi & Rauch; Venturi, Rauch, & Scott Brown did not exist until 1980. I 'built' a cad model of the project over 21 years ago. I was particularly interested in seeing Venturi's use of brise-soleil. I'll post some perspectives derived from the cad model.

jw468

Okay. I wasn't sure about the firm name.

threadkilla

Don't know much about this project/competition... I thought Denise Scott Brown married Robert Venturi in '67, shortly after the big Vegas trip, and became a partner in the firm in '69... Quondam would know better, though - he's got a Philadelphia connection :)

It would be great to see your perspectives, quondam - the drawings from project summary from the VSBA website are quite small:

http://venturiscottbrown.org/p...

quondam...

In terms of the Venturi firms names it's:
Venturi and Short 1960-63
Venturi and Rauch 1959-80
Venturi, Rauch and Scott Brown 1980-1988
Venturi, Scott Brown and Associates 1988-until retirement of Venturi and Scott Brown 2012?
VSBA Architects post Venturi, Scott Brown retirement

threadkilla

here's Richard Meier's plan, for comparison purposes

quondam...

The competition brief specifically stated the existing villa was to be part of the new design composition, but the new building and the existing villa were to not be physically connected. Venturi and Rauch (but probably strong-headed Scott Brown) decided to work against the stipulation of separate buildings and made one long elevation along the river bank, evoking their Allen Art Museum Addition. This violation of the competition brief may indeed have quickly put the Venturi and Rauch scheme in the losing pile.

quondam...

Museum für Kunsthandwerk in a virtual Ideal City context:

jw468

Very interesting!

jw468

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Jan 31, 18 9:52 pm
jw468

A couple of hints: this project was completed within a decade of the Museum für Kunsthandwerk competition and was intended by the architects to compliment the architecture of one of the oldest European-established cities in the southeastern United States.

jw468

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clark menefee

Feb 4, 18 12:58 pm

To be specific - the Middleton I nn in Charleston

jw468

Yes! Please claim your prize!

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Feb 4, 18 5:48 pm
threadkilla

is this the plan for the unbuilt Greek Orthodox Church by Herzog and DeMeuron?

No, this was built

Positive Pete

Reminds me of a Alvaro siza church...but pretty sure that aint it

Correct- it’s not Siza

How about Herz Jesu Kirche, Munich, Architect: Allmann Sattler Wappner, 2000

Yep indeed.

threadkilla

that's a pretty cool double skin facade project. or is more like a triple skin facade?

this glass panel detail, designed by glass artist Alexander Beleschenko (which i grabbed from http://figure-ground.com/herz-...) is also really cool - apparently the images of nails are arranged to form an inscription (in cuneiform script) of Christ’s Passion from the St John’s Gospel

this is the Herzog&DeMeuron church I thought it was - I think these two projects are pretty close...

Hint, completed in 2000.

Feb 5, 18 6:08 pm

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Feb 5, 18 8:31 pm
threadkilla

Giovanni Michelucci, the Church of San Giovanni Battista, 1960-64

aka Church of the Motorway / Chiesa dell'Autostrada del Sole

threadkilla

a project of seemingly infinite complexity

threadkilla

this moneyshot detail didn't post for some reason

threadkilla

this plan always made me think of combustion engines - perhaps appropriate for a church for wayfarers that also commemorates the workers who died building the highway that its immediately adjacent to...

threadkilla

next:

Feb 6, 18 3:01 pm
threadkilla

hints: this architect is certainly less well known than some of his contemporaries like Mies van der Rohe, with whom he shared an office for a time, despite his role in establishing some pretty significant architectural organizations and his contributions to debates on and around the philosophy of modernist design

Positive Pete

Kuhstall von Gut Garkau by Hugo Häring

threadkilla

yes, probably the best cowshed in the world, here's the entire siteplan - but only the building I posted the plan for was ever built

threadkilla

err, scratch that, it's the plan I posted and the adjacent structure that got built - the completely rectangular shed has the lamella roof.

project photos source: https://www.flickr.com/photos/seier/2552160490/in/photostream/

some drawings I found by someone named Diego Lucio

Positive Pete

Yeah when i googled it that lamella shed came up. Aleays wondered why this building was important. And yes most badasss cow shed ever

Positive Pete

And no i did not reverse image google the plan. Saw that plan soo much in school and have german books that always show it...i think even frampton has a plan in his modern architecture book

Positive Pete

Kenneth Frampton's "Modern Architecture: A Critical History" confirms Mies sharing offices and each influencing the other...on Hugo....Frampton writes " Although Häring , like Mendelsohn, believed in the ultimate primacy of function, he sought to transcend the primitive nature of mere utility by evolving his forms froma more profound understanding of the programme. Like Scharoun, however, his attitude to massing was often naively imitative of biological form. "

Positive Pete


Hugo Häring's entry for Friedrichstrasse vs Mies Van Der Rohe


threadkilla

I don't recall if it's in the Frampton book, and my copy is in storage at the moment, but it very well might be. We looked at this project in one of our tech classes in grad school. Häring was one of the co-founders of Der Ring (with Mies) and later CIAM. He was voted in as the secretary of Der Ring, but the group eventually disbanded in part beacause of the rise of the NSDAP and in part because a lot of the members had major disagreements with Häring, who advocated for 'organic functionalism' and a kind of a 'tight-fit' approach to planning over the preference for industrially-driven construction, held by the likes of Walter Gropius, and the kinds of 'universal' spaces that Mies produced. One architect who was very much aligned with Häring and his design approach was Hans Scharoun. The Gut Garkau farm buildings are considered to be Hugo Häring's main work, together with the Siemensstadt housing block built in a community master-planned by Scharoun.

threadkilla

The feedlot building plan is completely derived from the functional requirements of the program - organically emerging from the building's function, as it were - despite it's sculptural appearance.

Positive Pete

the plan is not in Frampton's, just an image...was in one of my German architektur books....I def. see the Scharoun connection.

Positive Pete

next.


Feb 6, 18 8:57 pm
threadkilla

this one's easy, and I want some more participants :) high tech classic!

Positive Pete

Hint: 30th floor...yes a classic it is

JLC-1

I know, I know, but I don't have time to look for another plan!

Positive Pete

feng shui actually changed the entrance to this building and the main structural members

danielkragskov

HSBC Building?

Feb 8, 18 1:31 pm
Positive Pete

By?

danielkragskov

Norman Foster?

danielkragskov

I guess its my turn then?

Positive Pete

Yes. Please post

danielkragskov

A jump to something very different, and maybe a project not so known. Clues will come if it is too difficult.

Feb 8, 18 6:38 pm
danielkragskov

I recon it is a tad difficult. Maybe a facade can help?

Feb 10, 18 10:21 am
Positive Pete

is it brutalist say from the 60's or 70's?

danielkragskov

It is not brutalist. Finished in 1984.

Positive Pete

ah. so that's probably wood slats and maybe standing seam roofing?

danielkragskov

Yes, but also a lot of eternit plates. The Architecture studio had a saying "it should look cheap, no matter the cost"...

threadkilla

Is it a trade school, or something like artist live/work studios? The plan actually has some formal affinities with a part of Dipoli and the Clark Menefee Charleston Inn...

danielkragskov

It is a cooperative with shared workshops, dining hall
etc.

Positive Pete

I think we need more hints

jw468

Is it Tinggården, by Vandkunsten?

danielkragskov

Very close but no cigar!

jw468

Jystrup Sawmill by Vandkunsten:

http://vandkunsten.com/en/proj...


danielkragskov

Ding Ding Ding - correct!

jw468

Next:

Feb 17, 18 12:10 pm
jw468

A hint:

threadkilla

?
Made me think of Gaudi, or perhaps Gunther Domenig, but I'm fairly certain it's neither...

jw468

This architect was greatly influenced by a major cultural figure from the country in which he decided to practice. This cultural figure was a leader in the push for independence from this architect's home country.

jw468

It's too new to be Gaudi.

threadkilla

Yes, that is what I thought... As far as the facade 'scallops' which reminded me of Domenig's Z-Bank in Vienna, when I looked that one up I realised that their orientation in this plan is rotated 90° relative to those, and that these appear more 'regular'. Then I looked up 'British architect in India' based on your clue, and discovered the name of Laurie Baker!

jw468

Time-wise, the Z-Bank is close.

threadkilla

And a little more digging reveals this plan to be the Centre for Development Studies, located in Ulloor, Trivandrum, completed in 1971 by Lawrence Wilfred "Laurie" Baker. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurie_Baker

Some really good photos of Baker's fantastic brickwork : http://www.chothompson.com/blog/onbricksandbaker


Looking forward to learning more about this man and his work for the rest of the weekend!

jw468

That's it, Please claim your prize!

threadkilla

posting from the phone, so unable to post images, but really encourage the curious onlooker to visit the links and see some of the photos!

And for some videos:

https://youtu.be/r6ni3aFraXE

threadkilla

this one should be pretty well known

Feb 18, 18 8:23 pm
randomised

Toyo Ito's Mediatheque in Sendai Japan?

randomised

Looked it up and ?=!

The model is in MoMA: https://www.moma.org/collectio...

If anyone has nice pictures or drawings, please reply, I'll post a new one to keep things going.

randomised

Here's another classic:

Feb 19, 18 11:43 am
danielkragskov

BIG Lego House?

randomised

How did you...? I even desaturated it and called it 'a classic' and everything. Well congrats :) You're up.

danielkragskov

Maybe because it is one the most branded projects of 2017 ;)

danielkragskov

Another one then:

Could not find it in a better resolution so this will have to do.

Feb 19, 18 1:55 pm

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