Does anybody remember the temper tantrums of 2000 when Bush beat Gore in the electorate? Popular vote went to Gore by about 500,000 votes Man, I thought those snowflakes melted. This new crop of snowflakes actually are even more fun to watch melt.
Oh god z1111 I find no true humor in this. In any of it. Everything is bad, and it's going to be really, horribly bad for a long, long time, getting worse before it gets better. I'm relying on gallows humor now.
But the thought of alpha males who voted for trump being terrified of being laughed at, and me laughing at them for it? That's funny. They're such delicate precious snowflakes, poor babies.
i am vehemently opposed to trump and pence. they are certainly a darkness spreading across america.
i will say, it was Roosevelt who imprisoned Japanese people against their will for 4 years. in some ways i find this to be the darkest moment of the 20th century in America.
alex jones can go fuck himself because nothing as terrible as that has happened since then in our country.
while there is rampant oppression and hatred today amongst citizenry, everyone has been able to use our democratic process to overturn or halt laws that have denied their rights as Americans.
no one has been arrested and placed into a work camp by direct presidential executive order.
Exactly, z1111. "Ooh, the scary lady made me vote for a racist! I was afraid of her! I needed a safe space!"
Look, there are reasons to be afraid of any US administration's intentions with our armed forces. But under Hilary if one wanted to, say, write a newspaper article criticizing it, one could. trump wants journalists who don't support him to be silenced. And Mike Pence *literally promoted* a state-run news agency as governor of my backwards state, until he was laughed so resoundingly at about it that he withdrew it.
i'm assuming they were droned abroad under combat conditions? i find war reprehensible as well but those are different circumstances. no one has walked into your office or home under federal orders and placed you and your entire family into a secure facility indefinitely.
if this happens again, i'll be taking action to get each person out, even if they voted Trump.
The problem is with so much power in the hands of the republicans, they can and probable will remove some of the foundational safeguards that can prevent things from happening.
I lived thru the 60s. I remember fire hoses, police dogs, and billy clubs being turned on peaceful protestors.
jla, while that is tragic for the children, they arrived here under circumstances that by law require them to be deported to their county of origin. ice has rules, oversight, and schedules that while not infallible are completely different from Japanese internment camps.
those law-abiding citizens were forcibly removed from their homes and businesses and placed in a prison with an indefinite sentence and there were no rules or oversight on how these citizens were to be treated.
it was certainly the darkest moment in the 20th century for America.
Bernie would have lost worse against Trump than Hillary did. The really sad thing for the Democrats is that she really was the best candidate they could come up with. Pathetic.
True...but many of the kids he wants to deport do not know any other home than the US...and will be literally uprooted from their normal life...to them its no less traumatic. I just feel most bad for the dreamer kids. They didn't ask for any of this. I hope trump finds some humanity and tones his approach to immigrants down.
maybe 'great america' means we're going to get rid of all process automation in manufacturing facilities, so they have to fill assembly lines like they did in the '50's? sure, we'd never be able to compete with countries that have modern infrastructure, but we'll just keep slapping tariffs on them until they can't compete anymore.
Read this. Seriously. Understand how the majority of liberals are looking at this from a rational standpoint where a large percentage of conservatives are looking at it from an emotional standpoint. an emotional standpoint so strong they are willing to support and align themselves with xenophobes.
The only way to make America great again is to have a smaller pie where we all get a more even share (everyone still gets less) or redistribute the wealth, tax the upper end and have some socialist policies. but the conservatives don't see it that way. they are blinded by emotion and nostalgia.
I really have very little interest at this point in shaming people who voted for Trump. And I am glad to see that Bernie Sanders is also not shaming people who voted for Trump. Its a destructive path that will lead to a larger separation between those who have historically been solid Democrats and the Democratic Party.
The Democratic Party had the opportunity to present an option that was an anti-establishment, economic populist AND wasn't an authoritarian racist! If Bernie Sanders had run, enough working class whites would have taken the opportunity to vote against the establishment and vote for someone wasn't racist.
This was an astounding political failure of the party apparatus to select a candidate who can win. Trump is the result of that political failure.
The only way to make America great is to have a cultural revolution. Cultural revolution always precedes political revolution. A shitty public will get shitty leaders. At this point that's unlikely to happen unless the aliens make contact of Trump accidentally sets off a nuke.
Interesting. I also wonder if this event will burst some of the delusions that people have about how life imitates the cozy and warm narratives we see on tv or in film.
Obama's election seemed so perfectly scripted. We were all expecting that again with Hillary and for feminism.
I was listening to a reporter on NPR describe the feeling at the Jacob Javits Center in NYC where Clinton's election night event was held. The archi-symbolism was that the building has a glass ceiling. Large confetti canons were designed to shoot out iridescent scraps of plastic to appear as though the glass ceiling was shattering. All that stagecraft and narrative-craft ended so unexpectedly badly. That degree of whiplashing shock seemed so profoundly un-contemporary. Even when tragic things happen like shootings or terror attack, they still fit into a familiar narrative. This event ripped the familiar narrative up and went entirely in a different direction.
Maybe it will create an entire generation that understands reality and the course of history in a different way that is much more skeptical of convenient narratives.
"After weeks of taunting Trump supporters, over Trump's suggestion that he might not immediately accept the election results, Hillary voters came together preached the message of unity and graciously accepted Donald Trump's victory. Oh no, they actually rioted, attacked people in the street and threatened to kill Donald Trump and his supporters."
"All year they denounced us as being hateful and intolerant. And what's the first thing they do after the election? Engage in rampant hateful intolerance."
"Seriously, has anyone told you people you can't change the outcome of democratic election by throwing a temper tantrum."
"Your behavior is why Trump won in the first place. Do you understand that yet?"
Donna - No I don't consider myself as a racist (however much youd label me as one). I only weighed my options (of which they were plenty more topics to talk about other than race) amd picked the lesser of 2 evils.
Also refer to exit polls and notice some minorities voting for Trump. Surely you don't suggest they are racist toward their own too?
so what i learned from this thread its better to be called racists, sexist, yadayada than naive liberal and dumb. remember how you feel and what you believe jas little to do with reality. reality being the economy and defense, everything else is irrelevant cultural bull shit. wake up you smart liberals, your bull shit values do nothing but make you feel good.
architechie, I believe you when you say you don't consciously consider yourself a racist, but you decided virulent racism *is acceptable* over whatever it as you feared from Hillary. Making the choice that racism is at all acceptable means you support racism.
Racism is complex, and not always easy to see, and much social research exists discussing how racial minorities or people in any kind of oppressed situation (I'd even loosely include young inexperienced unpaid architecture interns in that latter) often can't see their own power and role in it.
But if you're white, and chose trump, you made the statement that the oppression of racial minorities isn't a line you won't cross.
Lol, tintt, I know a better way to determine if you live in a bubble. If you found that quiz at pbs.org or had someone forward you that quiz chances are 100% you live in a bubble. :)
haha, good point won. so I got a 52...that was fun.
I had a CDL once, while in high school, got me out of a lot of traffic stops back in college. and I have a masters from an Ivy League school. but I have no idea what the media is talking about half the time, i must be in a bubble, hahaha
I was surprised I scored so high because I thought maybe I did live in a bubble, but not compared to most. Won, it's just a fun quiz, but please do share how would you decide if one lived in a bubble? I think you live in a bubble, no?
i couldn't check any of the movies or TV shows, like not a single one, but I also only watch College Football and Cable news and can't remember the last movie I saw other than some kid movie like the Minions...
I think it's fair to say 100% of the country lives in a bubble. 50% on the left and 50% on the right.
I scored a 33. It was pretty accurate. I'm upper-middle class, live in Detroit, son of two post-graduate degree-holding public school teachers, brought up in a smallish Midwest town. If I didn't visit my parents frequently and my in-laws in the Deep South, I would be much more disconnected. My kids are growing up totally disconnected.
Thump the Trump
Does anybody remember the temper tantrums of 2000 when Bush beat Gore in the electorate? Popular vote went to Gore by about 500,000 votes Man, I thought those snowflakes melted. This new crop of snowflakes actually are even more fun to watch melt.
Donna, it is hard for me to find humor in this situation.
However, two things have made me laugh out loud.
1. Trump went on Twitter last night to complain about the "professional demonstrators". What a small mind.
2. He looks like a dog that has caught the car.
Of course LITzfor whatever his name is doesn't acknowledge the birther movement exists, so maybe he still can't quite understand the question:
LITS4formZ: Did you vote for trump for president?
What is a snowflake?
Oh god z1111 I find no true humor in this. In any of it. Everything is bad, and it's going to be really, horribly bad for a long, long time, getting worse before it gets better. I'm relying on gallows humor now.
But the thought of alpha males who voted for trump being terrified of being laughed at, and me laughing at them for it? That's funny. They're such delicate precious snowflakes, poor babies.
The funny thing, z, is that if he passes the infrastructure bill and then has latinos deported, who would actually build the infrastructure?
(tintt special snowflake is what all the anti-SJWs have been calling people who support PC language.)
Donna, agreed, it is all dark humor.
I forgot the best one.
It is not my fault! HILLARY made me do it!
not exactly, you shithead.
SOD, well it sure the fuck is not going to be any Americans.
The are all going to be in the fields picking radishes for a dollar an hour.
Clear thinking is apparently not their forte.
Make America Great Again!
i am vehemently opposed to trump and pence. they are certainly a darkness spreading across america.
i will say, it was Roosevelt who imprisoned Japanese people against their will for 4 years. in some ways i find this to be the darkest moment of the 20th century in America.
alex jones can go fuck himself because nothing as terrible as that has happened since then in our country.
while there is rampant oppression and hatred today amongst citizenry, everyone has been able to use our democratic process to overturn or halt laws that have denied their rights as Americans.
no one has been arrested and placed into a work camp by direct presidential executive order.
No form
"no one has been arrested and placed into a work camp by direct presidential executive order."
No, but American citizens have been droned by POTUS.
Exactly, z1111. "Ooh, the scary lady made me vote for a racist! I was afraid of her! I needed a safe space!"
Look, there are reasons to be afraid of any US administration's intentions with our armed forces. But under Hilary if one wanted to, say, write a newspaper article criticizing it, one could. trump wants journalists who don't support him to be silenced. And Mike Pence *literally promoted* a state-run news agency as governor of my backwards state, until he was laughed so resoundingly at about it that he withdrew it.
i'm assuming they were droned abroad under combat conditions? i find war reprehensible as well but those are different circumstances. no one has walked into your office or home under federal orders and placed you and your entire family into a secure facility indefinitely.
if this happens again, i'll be taking action to get each person out, even if they voted Trump.
The problem is with so much power in the hands of the republicans, they can and probable will remove some of the foundational safeguards that can prevent things from happening.
I lived thru the 60s. I remember fire hoses, police dogs, and billy clubs being turned on peaceful protestors.
This is not good.
Really no form? Have you not heard of ice detention? they basically keep undocumented kids in detention...trump will make this worse.
Still so many delicious salty tears in this thread. Please keep them coming.
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Blame the DNC for it, they pulled some sneaky stuff in getting Bernie off the possible ticket.
jla, while that is tragic for the children, they arrived here under circumstances that by law require them to be deported to their county of origin. ice has rules, oversight, and schedules that while not infallible are completely different from Japanese internment camps.
those law-abiding citizens were forcibly removed from their homes and businesses and placed in a prison with an indefinite sentence and there were no rules or oversight on how these citizens were to be treated.
it was certainly the darkest moment in the 20th century for America.
Bernie would have lost worse against Trump than Hillary did. The really sad thing for the Democrats is that she really was the best candidate they could come up with. Pathetic.
True...but many of the kids he wants to deport do not know any other home than the US...and will be literally uprooted from their normal life...to them its no less traumatic. I just feel most bad for the dreamer kids. They didn't ask for any of this. I hope trump finds some humanity and tones his approach to immigrants down.
Still so many delicious salty tears in this thread. Please keep them coming.
Yuck
maybe 'great america' means we're going to get rid of all process automation in manufacturing facilities, so they have to fill assembly lines like they did in the '50's? sure, we'd never be able to compete with countries that have modern infrastructure, but we'll just keep slapping tariffs on them until they can't compete anymore.
http://qz.com/832522/election-2016-we-just-saw-what-voters-do-when-they-feel-screwed-heres-the-economic-theory-of-why-they-do-it/
Read this. Seriously. Understand how the majority of liberals are looking at this from a rational standpoint where a large percentage of conservatives are looking at it from an emotional standpoint. an emotional standpoint so strong they are willing to support and align themselves with xenophobes.
The only way to make America great again is to have a smaller pie where we all get a more even share (everyone still gets less) or redistribute the wealth, tax the upper end and have some socialist policies. but the conservatives don't see it that way. they are blinded by emotion and nostalgia.
I really have very little interest at this point in shaming people who voted for Trump. And I am glad to see that Bernie Sanders is also not shaming people who voted for Trump. Its a destructive path that will lead to a larger separation between those who have historically been solid Democrats and the Democratic Party.
The Democratic Party had the opportunity to present an option that was an anti-establishment, economic populist AND wasn't an authoritarian racist! If Bernie Sanders had run, enough working class whites would have taken the opportunity to vote against the establishment and vote for someone wasn't racist.
This was an astounding political failure of the party apparatus to select a candidate who can win. Trump is the result of that political failure.
Ok listen up
His majesty Sam Harries has spoken up
https://youtu.be/UcmmJqRbRbQ
The only way to make America great is to have a cultural revolution. Cultural revolution always precedes political revolution. A shitty public will get shitty leaders. At this point that's unlikely to happen unless the aliens make contact of Trump accidentally sets off a nuke.
"Cultural revolution always precedes political revolution."
What do you mean by cultural revolution? Are you talking about the arts and sciences?
Like the 60s....maybe this trump era will spark one...
Interesting. I also wonder if this event will burst some of the delusions that people have about how life imitates the cozy and warm narratives we see on tv or in film.
Obama's election seemed so perfectly scripted. We were all expecting that again with Hillary and for feminism.
I was listening to a reporter on NPR describe the feeling at the Jacob Javits Center in NYC where Clinton's election night event was held. The archi-symbolism was that the building has a glass ceiling. Large confetti canons were designed to shoot out iridescent scraps of plastic to appear as though the glass ceiling was shattering. All that stagecraft and narrative-craft ended so unexpectedly badly. That degree of whiplashing shock seemed so profoundly un-contemporary. Even when tragic things happen like shootings or terror attack, they still fit into a familiar narrative. This event ripped the familiar narrative up and went entirely in a different direction.
Maybe it will create an entire generation that understands reality and the course of history in a different way that is much more skeptical of convenient narratives.
Davvid, yeah. I agree.
#THUMPtheTHREAD!
Another orange turd.
"After weeks of taunting Trump supporters, over Trump's suggestion that he might not immediately accept the election results, Hillary voters came together preached the message of unity and graciously accepted Donald Trump's victory. Oh no, they actually rioted, attacked people in the street and threatened to kill Donald Trump and his supporters." "All year they denounced us as being hateful and intolerant. And what's the first thing they do after the election? Engage in rampant hateful intolerance." "Seriously, has anyone told you people you can't change the outcome of democratic election by throwing a temper tantrum." "Your behavior is why Trump won in the first place. Do you understand that yet?"
Donna - No I don't consider myself as a racist (however much youd label me as one). I only weighed my options (of which they were plenty more topics to talk about other than race) amd picked the lesser of 2 evils. Also refer to exit polls and notice some minorities voting for Trump. Surely you don't suggest they are racist toward their own too?
so what i learned from this thread its better to be called racists, sexist, yadayada than naive liberal and dumb. remember how you feel and what you believe jas little to do with reality. reality being the economy and defense, everything else is irrelevant cultural bull shit. wake up you smart liberals, your bull shit values do nothing but make you feel good.
architechie, I believe you when you say you don't consciously consider yourself a racist, but you decided virulent racism *is acceptable* over whatever it as you feared from Hillary. Making the choice that racism is at all acceptable means you support racism.
Racism is complex, and not always easy to see, and much social research exists discussing how racial minorities or people in any kind of oppressed situation (I'd even loosely include young inexperienced unpaid architecture interns in that latter) often can't see their own power and role in it.
But if you're white, and chose trump, you made the statement that the oppression of racial minorities isn't a line you won't cross.
wrudan, I'm not getting the point of your string of quotes up there?
Check out this quiz to see if you live in a bubble. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/do-you-live-in-a-bubble-a-quiz-2/ I got a 58 which meas my bubble is very thin.
Lol, tintt, I know a better way to determine if you live in a bubble. If you found that quiz at pbs.org or had someone forward you that quiz chances are 100% you live in a bubble. :)
The person who gave it to me had a very low score, meaning a very thick bubble.
haha, good point won. so I got a 52...that was fun.
I had a CDL once, while in high school, got me out of a lot of traffic stops back in college. and I have a masters from an Ivy League school. but I have no idea what the media is talking about half the time, i must be in a bubble, hahaha
I was surprised I scored so high because I thought maybe I did live in a bubble, but not compared to most. Won, it's just a fun quiz, but please do share how would you decide if one lived in a bubble? I think you live in a bubble, no?
i couldn't check any of the movies or TV shows, like not a single one, but I also only watch College Football and Cable news and can't remember the last movie I saw other than some kid movie like the Minions...
I think it's fair to say 100% of the country lives in a bubble. 50% on the left and 50% on the right.
I could only check one movie, that was because I took my teenage nieces to Mockingjay.
I scored a 33. It was pretty accurate. I'm upper-middle class, live in Detroit, son of two post-graduate degree-holding public school teachers, brought up in a smallish Midwest town. If I didn't visit my parents frequently and my in-laws in the Deep South, I would be much more disconnected. My kids are growing up totally disconnected.
Though I was able to check a few movies because of my kids.
olaf, you haven't seen the new star wars? that's just crazy talk. you do live in a bubble.
i was right in the middle with a 44.
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