i'm seriously considering going back to grad school... the problem is there isn't a school in the NW that would be a good fit - and i don't feel like moving. bah...
Yay, rationalist!! Congratulations!!! Just tell the current place you will be leaving in two weeks, respectfully.
I'm in a Facebook fight with someone over unpaid internships at OMA. I may be making an enemy with this fight - oops. But one of my best ever students has put in 4/5 of a week's work in two days at OMA, all unpaid. It rankles, especially when eery time I come to the 'nect lately I have to see that OMA guy's mug on the front page!
I know he will, as will and have all our other students doing their version at various offices this week and in other years of this program. But really, couldn't they just get a stipend? $500 bucks for an 80 hour week?
Congratulations rationalist on the new job. Stick to your guns Donna. I got in an argument with someone on a forum on LinkedIn once about it. It's amazing how many people supported the non-paid internship, despite they themselves not having the monetary resources to do one themselves. I guess it's because people thinks it's the norm and there isn't anything anybody can do. I don't get it.
Thanks guys. I'll be back working for an architecture firm again, but not til the second week of April. I'm sure those who are friends on FB and such will see who within the next couple of weeks once the news becomes more widely known amongst my office-mates.
Gave my notice yesterday, boss sort of shut down, seems to be trying not to talk to me if he can help it.
Well hello. Gonna try this out and see how it feels.
So, has anyone uploaded their link to issuu on their profiles? I'm interested in seeing how people are presenting work these days...particularly people who have been out of school for a while.
I need to update mine as I will be without a job once again..although this time it's sort of by choice albeit a few months earlier than I intended. Seems like the economy is picking up a bit so hopefully I"ll be able to return if I have to...but for the time being I think I'd like to try and build some stuff and not be in front of a computer every day for 10 hours. We'll see if that changes. Should be interesting at the least...although I'm wondering if I should be freaking out inside.
isn't the idea to quit a job and move on as soon as something better comes along? thats sure how everyone i know has done it. in NA culture i don't think employers can ever be surprised that someone is moving on, no? especially if a person is talented. it's the other side of exploitation no? we are not paid properly nor given enough healthcare or whatever but the trade off is that we will move to better things when we can and when we want. that's the social contract since the 80's. it is harsher but better than the deal my parents had as far as i am concerned...
Welcome Karl-Erik, nice to see you here. You too, citizen!
I do think the job environment is picking up a bit. Certainly job postings on Archinect are more frequent.
My design task for the day: decorating the cafeteria for the middle school dance tonight. I'm in charge of decorating and will also be a chaperone - I'm afraid it's going to be painfully awkward and adorable! To the Christmas lights I must go...
Will, I might possibly agree with you except for the fact that my parents getting proper healthcare, pay and retirement pay allowed them to actually retire... and with full pension so that my dad is still pulling in two paychecks even though he's not working at either place any longer. With our added mobility comes a lack of security and financial inflexibility really.. i'm not sure i make that tradeoff given the choice.
yeah i can see that karl. im canadian and all the countries ive lived in have healthcare so my experience is bit different. pension is also very cool and it worked that way for my parents too. i absolutely don't expect it will for me (few do, out this way).
in my case the new social contract has meant opportunity so i'm cool with it.
here in japan its the wage-slave life-long employment system still. starting to fray a bit but in general kids get a job before finishing uni and almost never quit after that (i've seen people ask for permission to quit their job and meekly agree when the employer said no). there are real negative consequences on display all the time. stability is the trade-off, but it requires a bit of soul-numbing to carry out in long haul.
anyway not intending to be so serious, just surprised that any american employer would be surprised when talented people take opportunity to leave when it comes up. it is the american way, isn't it?
sounds fun donna. am sure you will do awesome job!
well I've found that there's a big difference in reactions between corporate firms and sole proprietors. At a corporate firm, it's not a huge deal, the same way that asking for a raise isn't personal. But with a sole proprietor, they see what they pay you as *their* money, they consider themselves to have been supporting you for the time you've been there, and that you should feel lucky for that. When it's one guy (and yeah, it usually is a guy) at the top, they tend to take things quite personally. The rest of the people I work with seem pretty happy for me, though.
will - I guess... but I hate having to quit jobs (even places I've liked) just so I can get a bump in pay... and I feel like you don't really learn anything from a firm unless you've been in one place for at least 5+ years... the other bad thing is that it sets up this dynamic where the principal won't teach you anything because they're afraid you're going to bolt at any moment and steal their clients - your best hope is a non-vested senior person who will show you the ropes (although you have to be careful because there's a reason they're over 50 and not a partner) then expect you to take them with you when you finally leave or start your own thing. it's really f-ed up. I'd much rather find an office I can grow with than this constant trading favors BS just so I can get access to someone's stupid flashing detail.
I want to make buildings, not play these stupid games all the time just to get anything accomplished or make any money. it all feels very unnecessary.
@ toasteroven, i suppose that is the downside of the free market.
i like an open system myself (because it worked for me, so i'm biased) but understand not liking the situation you describe.
i'd be cool with staff heading out on their own after learning from us. that's the atmosphere i was trained in and i find it quite normal. probably all that socialism drummed into me as canadian ;-)
I think a lot of people would be proud of someone leaving their office and starting their own thing - I had one former boss talk about a few people as if they were his own children (he hired someone as an intern who is now dean of an architecture school). I know I'd feel pretty good (especially about my abilities as a manager and teacher) if someone who worked for me had learned enough from me to also achieve success in our field, but you also need to have extremely motivated people working for you. if you're working in an environment where people are mostly just scared of losing their jobs - which is what a lot of firms are like (and it's gotten worse since the recession), then it creates a very different atmosphere - where once ambitious people can completely lose their confidence in their own ability to make it professionally, so they cling to whatever power they've gained in that particular office ( this is what I'm talking about when I'm referring to places where you're constantly trading favors).
I think when the economy is good, this system is fine because talented people can jump ship when other people start dragging them down, and people are less interested in hoarding information so you can actually learn something, but once you've spent far too long struggling (and/or being dragged down by negative people who really should leave the profession but seem far more interested in spreading discontent) it gets much harder to picture yourself "succeeding."
I think looking at it from an economic standpoint brings up something that is an issue at my office. Right now jobs have been unavailable for so long that people sort of hunkered down where they were at, resulting in many people who would jump ship as soon as the opportunity presents itself. When an owner realizes that a large portion of their employees are there for that reason, they can get defensive about it, and I think that's happening more and more now because the market seems to be picking up a bit.
I was at a party saturday night and three people in the room had been offered (and taken) new jobs last week. To be honest we were all gloating a bit about how good we felt to be able to get out of our current situations—a real reminder that people are sticking with jobs that they are unhappy with. So when people quit in that situation, I think bosses are also feeling a little bitterness if they realize that's the way it is and are wondering how long they've been checked out for.
We are seeing a lot of the same thing here in Chicago. Former intern of ours is not happy that he now has mandatory unpaid overtime. Last year they had a 10% pay cut and not enough work for 40 hours/ week.
amazing how the economy creates so much tension...even people with jobs are stressed.
i would actually love to have a few people who are ambitious and driven in the office even if they are planning to leave in a few years. would be a real drag to be paying people who are unhappy to be there though. it's a hard enough job without the added difficulty of unhappy staff. guess its not always obvious.
now i think on it, more of my friends have set up their own business during recession than in the good times. i am very glad to hear glimmers of a change in the air though. fingers crossed this is a real trend.
In honor of LB I will use proper punctuation. It feels so... formal!
I have been out of the official architecture workforce for almost 3 years now. I feel like it's about time to get back in... and oh what a scary feeling it is. If I can even find a job (unlikely) I'll be looking at a huge drop in pay - likely less than 2/3 what I make now. Plus, now that I'm out of it, the thought of going back to the old grind of sole-proprietors with no desire to share their firm, constant crazy hours, project timelines that are screwed from day one so that you spend literally the entire duration of the project behind schedule, getting ribbed by the jobsite electrician for not being able to afford a car with your college degree... ugh.
I'm also not looking forward to explaining that no, I don't know Revit, and yes, I was laid off, and yes, I chose to flee the profession for a warm bosom of financial stability rather than allow my resume to mingle with the 300 unsolicited resumes sent to firms in my town every week for the past 3 years. Hopefully I won't be looked upon as the theoretical employee who "didn't have the passion to stay in" or the "oh, well you know there's always a reason they get laid off..." employee. Neither are the case.
am sure you will find something manta, as long as economy comes back. that whole passion thing is not so important in the real world as far as i can tell.
unrelated to jobs but the venice biennale entry from canada was finalised recently and it is kinda cool. the idea of the project comes from the principals of 5468796 architecture (good friends featured a while back on this site) and another good friend, jae sung chon. really great concept.
manta - do you own your place? having enough money to experiment with your own house could placate that desire to design... at least for a little while...
Will, your friends may be super cool, and that enormous model city looks pretty sweet, but the name of their firm bugs me like crazy. I mean how do they answer the phone? How does a client refer to them? Is that just their phone number? I would get annoyed having to say all those numbers all the time.
Maybe I just need to know the reason. Or maybe I'm just being mean today. I had a meeting with a photographer, and he's a mousey man, and I just can't take him seriously. I think he's an idiot, although he's really given me no real reason to think so.
Manta, I know exactly what you're saying, and that's most of why I don't think I'll ever get back into the career side of architecture. With only 2 years of post-graduation experience, there's absolutely no reason a firm would hire me over a recent grad. I've got no revitt skills, no computer rendering skills, and none of that project management experience. Oh well. I think I'll enjoy teaching the subject more anyway.
Wouldn't worry donna. Architecture is not about software. When it comes to hiring, for us at least, its about personality more than anything, followed by experience. Maybe for big firms it matters more but even then i somehow doubt anyone would think of wasting all your experience by asking you to work with revit all day...
About the name of 5468796, i kinda agree. It's the number of their company registration, nothing more. They didn't want any names to define the company since they believe in the team identity not the individual identity. It is a mouthful, but remember when MVRDV hit the stage? Everyone was saying the same thing, and now it's a non-issue. Perhaps they will go the same way. Amazingly enough they were just invited to give presentation in mexico city at the 13th arquine congreso, between zaha hadid and steven holl. This is second time they shared stage with steven holl in 2 years. They must be doing something right ;-)
Anyway, i do like the biennale concept, making it about immigration instead of about themselves. Very non-narcissistic and perfect pitch for our times.
They should have added the numbers together and got 9. 9/Nine Architects is pretty good. It beats Poor Boys Architecture from the 1990's/early 2000's which of course folded. Everyone know's poor boys/girls can't have successful architecture practices - they proved their own point.
Rusty, there is definitely declining interest in architecture ed and competition among the schools for new students is very fierce.
As far as Archinect, it is omni present in the archi universe and in Apple apps. (unfortunately I don't have an I-Phone) I even see it in school studio reading and research/reference lists now. I am told the site is doing great and even better since v.3., which means and translates as it is visited by people other than architects as well.
congrats rationalist.... pending love beats career if you ask me - the former is always harder to find.
manta I feel the need to say welcome back to the profession, but I believe that can't really leave can you - does your brain stop designing? Probably never.
Donna my apologies for a lack of capitalization...
i'm glad i'm not the only one bumfuzzled by 5468796. it makes a good narrative, which has probably helped them gain some traction. i honestly haven't figured out what else has gotten them so much attention: it's good solid work, but....
Rusty, there is definitely declining interest in architecture ed and competition among the schools for new students is very fierce.
Same issue that Law schools are facing - it's now either legacy/rich kids or people who are 100% committed to the profession. Either people are finding work and not needing to postpone entry into the career by going to grad school, or, more likely, people are realizing that cost of these programs are completely out of whack with real salaries. why spend 100-200k on an education when your starting salary is less than someone who cleans up garbage on the side of a highway?
the schools that will win are the big names and the schools with large endowments who can offer $$ for the best students.
also - after the tax revolt in the late 70s, California's public education system has gone completely down the tubes.
competition for students is tough here too. declining population is part of it, but also some ennui i think. ironic timing. wish we had more money to throw at really good students.
@steven re 546...i agree they do not fill the scene with the spectacle we are used to lately (and which everyone complains about). but for an office only a handful of years old they have done well. im looking forward to seeing what they do when they really find their feet.
school year starts again in a few weeks. i'm still exhausted from the last one and not remotely caught up. on bright note will be teaching studio with sejima this term, which am quite looking forward to.
will, that is a very bright note. sanaa is the darling of students world over these days.. stand on your ground. (sorry for sounding like an horoscopist.;.)
some schools are becoming more and more outrageous with their offerings to draw attention to their programs. some resorting outright star shows not knowing many are not as sharp as they used to be. ie; sci arc have been hosting eisenman, kipnis (a lecture named "who is moss?" the director of the school) thom mayne, peter cook. if you want to see how agressive a school is for new students, look at their february-march lecture/event rosters.
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i'm seriously considering going back to grad school... the problem is there isn't a school in the NW that would be a good fit - and i don't feel like moving. bah...
did anyone catch the PBS nature episode on chernobyl, radioactive wolves? worth it.
Yay, rationalist!! Congratulations!!! Just tell the current place you will be leaving in two weeks, respectfully.
I'm in a Facebook fight with someone over unpaid internships at OMA. I may be making an enemy with this fight - oops. But one of my best ever students has put in 4/5 of a week's work in two days at OMA, all unpaid. It rankles, especially when eery time I come to the 'nect lately I have to see that OMA guy's mug on the front page!
i think he'll leverage it for good, but...yeah. it's just spring break, right?
I know he will, as will and have all our other students doing their version at various offices this week and in other years of this program. But really, couldn't they just get a stipend? $500 bucks for an 80 hour week?
awesome, congratulations rationalist!!! can't wait to hear the details!
Orhan,
Please shoot me an email. I am looking for resources for Schindler.
Wm
Congratulations rationalist on the new job. Stick to your guns Donna. I got in an argument with someone on a forum on LinkedIn once about it. It's amazing how many people supported the non-paid internship, despite they themselves not having the monetary resources to do one themselves. I guess it's because people thinks it's the norm and there isn't anything anybody can do. I don't get it.
Good Morning everyone.
Nice to see you melt!
Whoa, Donna. You talk about not wearing pants like it's a bad thing ;-)
And don't get me started on the difficulty of reading bad writing. It's the only part of teaching I truly detest....
Thanks guys. I'll be back working for an architecture firm again, but not til the second week of April. I'm sure those who are friends on FB and such will see who within the next couple of weeks once the news becomes more widely known amongst my office-mates.
Gave my notice yesterday, boss sort of shut down, seems to be trying not to talk to me if he can help it.
mobility is the american way ain't it?
glad you got new job rationalist. maybe archi-world is shaping up for better things again...
Well hello. Gonna try this out and see how it feels.
So, has anyone uploaded their link to issuu on their profiles? I'm interested in seeing how people are presenting work these days...particularly people who have been out of school for a while.
I need to update mine as I will be without a job once again..although this time it's sort of by choice albeit a few months earlier than I intended. Seems like the economy is picking up a bit so hopefully I"ll be able to return if I have to...but for the time being I think I'd like to try and build some stuff and not be in front of a computer every day for 10 hours. We'll see if that changes. Should be interesting at the least...although I'm wondering if I should be freaking out inside.
(I capitalized just for you LB)
mobility is the american way ain't it?
what do you mean?
mobility in america?
isn't the idea to quit a job and move on as soon as something better comes along? thats sure how everyone i know has done it. in NA culture i don't think employers can ever be surprised that someone is moving on, no? especially if a person is talented. it's the other side of exploitation no? we are not paid properly nor given enough healthcare or whatever but the trade off is that we will move to better things when we can and when we want. that's the social contract since the 80's. it is harsher but better than the deal my parents had as far as i am concerned...
Welcome Karl-Erik, nice to see you here. You too, citizen!
I do think the job environment is picking up a bit. Certainly job postings on Archinect are more frequent.
My design task for the day: decorating the cafeteria for the middle school dance tonight. I'm in charge of decorating and will also be a chaperone - I'm afraid it's going to be painfully awkward and adorable! To the Christmas lights I must go...
resist the urge to angle walls. think happy and hormonal, not haptic and high art!
Will, I might possibly agree with you except for the fact that my parents getting proper healthcare, pay and retirement pay allowed them to actually retire... and with full pension so that my dad is still pulling in two paychecks even though he's not working at either place any longer. With our added mobility comes a lack of security and financial inflexibility really.. i'm not sure i make that tradeoff given the choice.
yeah i can see that karl. im canadian and all the countries ive lived in have healthcare so my experience is bit different. pension is also very cool and it worked that way for my parents too. i absolutely don't expect it will for me (few do, out this way).
in my case the new social contract has meant opportunity so i'm cool with it.
here in japan its the wage-slave life-long employment system still. starting to fray a bit but in general kids get a job before finishing uni and almost never quit after that (i've seen people ask for permission to quit their job and meekly agree when the employer said no). there are real negative consequences on display all the time. stability is the trade-off, but it requires a bit of soul-numbing to carry out in long haul.
anyway not intending to be so serious, just surprised that any american employer would be surprised when talented people take opportunity to leave when it comes up. it is the american way, isn't it?
sounds fun donna. am sure you will do awesome job!
well I've found that there's a big difference in reactions between corporate firms and sole proprietors. At a corporate firm, it's not a huge deal, the same way that asking for a raise isn't personal. But with a sole proprietor, they see what they pay you as *their* money, they consider themselves to have been supporting you for the time you've been there, and that you should feel lucky for that. When it's one guy (and yeah, it usually is a guy) at the top, they tend to take things quite personally. The rest of the people I work with seem pretty happy for me, though.
will - I guess... but I hate having to quit jobs (even places I've liked) just so I can get a bump in pay... and I feel like you don't really learn anything from a firm unless you've been in one place for at least 5+ years... the other bad thing is that it sets up this dynamic where the principal won't teach you anything because they're afraid you're going to bolt at any moment and steal their clients - your best hope is a non-vested senior person who will show you the ropes (although you have to be careful because there's a reason they're over 50 and not a partner) then expect you to take them with you when you finally leave or start your own thing. it's really f-ed up. I'd much rather find an office I can grow with than this constant trading favors BS just so I can get access to someone's stupid flashing detail.
I want to make buildings, not play these stupid games all the time just to get anything accomplished or make any money. it all feels very unnecessary.
@ toasteroven, i suppose that is the downside of the free market.
i like an open system myself (because it worked for me, so i'm biased) but understand not liking the situation you describe.
i'd be cool with staff heading out on their own after learning from us. that's the atmosphere i was trained in and i find it quite normal. probably all that socialism drummed into me as canadian ;-)
I think a lot of people would be proud of someone leaving their office and starting their own thing - I had one former boss talk about a few people as if they were his own children (he hired someone as an intern who is now dean of an architecture school). I know I'd feel pretty good (especially about my abilities as a manager and teacher) if someone who worked for me had learned enough from me to also achieve success in our field, but you also need to have extremely motivated people working for you. if you're working in an environment where people are mostly just scared of losing their jobs - which is what a lot of firms are like (and it's gotten worse since the recession), then it creates a very different atmosphere - where once ambitious people can completely lose their confidence in their own ability to make it professionally, so they cling to whatever power they've gained in that particular office ( this is what I'm talking about when I'm referring to places where you're constantly trading favors).
I think when the economy is good, this system is fine because talented people can jump ship when other people start dragging them down, and people are less interested in hoarding information so you can actually learn something, but once you've spent far too long struggling (and/or being dragged down by negative people who really should leave the profession but seem far more interested in spreading discontent) it gets much harder to picture yourself "succeeding."
I think looking at it from an economic standpoint brings up something that is an issue at my office. Right now jobs have been unavailable for so long that people sort of hunkered down where they were at, resulting in many people who would jump ship as soon as the opportunity presents itself. When an owner realizes that a large portion of their employees are there for that reason, they can get defensive about it, and I think that's happening more and more now because the market seems to be picking up a bit.
I was at a party saturday night and three people in the room had been offered (and taken) new jobs last week. To be honest we were all gloating a bit about how good we felt to be able to get out of our current situations—a real reminder that people are sticking with jobs that they are unhappy with. So when people quit in that situation, I think bosses are also feeling a little bitterness if they realize that's the way it is and are wondering how long they've been checked out for.
@ rationalist:
We are seeing a lot of the same thing here in Chicago. Former intern of ours is not happy that he now has mandatory unpaid overtime. Last year they had a 10% pay cut and not enough work for 40 hours/ week.
amazing how the economy creates so much tension...even people with jobs are stressed.
i would actually love to have a few people who are ambitious and driven in the office even if they are planning to leave in a few years. would be a real drag to be paying people who are unhappy to be there though. it's a hard enough job without the added difficulty of unhappy staff. guess its not always obvious.
now i think on it, more of my friends have set up their own business during recession than in the good times. i am very glad to hear glimmers of a change in the air though. fingers crossed this is a real trend.
hello, all. have you seen this, donna?
Former Intern at ‘Charlie Rose’ Sues, Alleging Wage Law Violations
apparently I don't know how to quit a job properly, as I'm still in the office I just handed in notice at, and was here yesterday as well...
Thanks elinor!
I drafted for 13 hours straight today. I hope I'm paying myself!
hi all.
In honor of LB I will use proper punctuation. It feels so... formal!
I have been out of the official architecture workforce for almost 3 years now. I feel like it's about time to get back in... and oh what a scary feeling it is. If I can even find a job (unlikely) I'll be looking at a huge drop in pay - likely less than 2/3 what I make now. Plus, now that I'm out of it, the thought of going back to the old grind of sole-proprietors with no desire to share their firm, constant crazy hours, project timelines that are screwed from day one so that you spend literally the entire duration of the project behind schedule, getting ribbed by the jobsite electrician for not being able to afford a car with your college degree... ugh.
I'm also not looking forward to explaining that no, I don't know Revit, and yes, I was laid off, and yes, I chose to flee the profession for a warm bosom of financial stability rather than allow my resume to mingle with the 300 unsolicited resumes sent to firms in my town every week for the past 3 years. Hopefully I won't be looked upon as the theoretical employee who "didn't have the passion to stay in" or the "oh, well you know there's always a reason they get laid off..." employee. Neither are the case.
If only I didn't love designing. (sigh)
am sure you will find something manta, as long as economy comes back. that whole passion thing is not so important in the real world as far as i can tell.
unrelated to jobs but the venice biennale entry from canada was finalised recently and it is kinda cool. the idea of the project comes from the principals of 5468796 architecture (good friends featured a while back on this site) and another good friend, jae sung chon. really great concept.
manta - do you own your place? having enough money to experiment with your own house could placate that desire to design... at least for a little while...
Will, some interesting projects...
Good morning all back at work after having a crazy GI bug this weekend. it was like being back in India :o
manta I'm guessing that project we talked about didn't pan out? I'm sad to hear that.
Will, your friends may be super cool, and that enormous model city looks pretty sweet, but the name of their firm bugs me like crazy. I mean how do they answer the phone? How does a client refer to them? Is that just their phone number? I would get annoyed having to say all those numbers all the time.
Maybe I just need to know the reason. Or maybe I'm just being mean today. I had a meeting with a photographer, and he's a mousey man, and I just can't take him seriously. I think he's an idiot, although he's really given me no real reason to think so.
Manta, I know exactly what you're saying, and that's most of why I don't think I'll ever get back into the career side of architecture. With only 2 years of post-graduation experience, there's absolutely no reason a firm would hire me over a recent grad. I've got no revitt skills, no computer rendering skills, and none of that project management experience. Oh well. I think I'll enjoy teaching the subject more anyway.
Yeah, Sarah, I'm with you on the firm name 5468796. It's just confusing. Their work is fantastic, though!
I also don't know Revit. I hope I don't ever have to but by saying that I think I've just jinxed myself.
Wouldn't worry donna. Architecture is not about software. When it comes to hiring, for us at least, its about personality more than anything, followed by experience. Maybe for big firms it matters more but even then i somehow doubt anyone would think of wasting all your experience by asking you to work with revit all day...
About the name of 5468796, i kinda agree. It's the number of their company registration, nothing more. They didn't want any names to define the company since they believe in the team identity not the individual identity. It is a mouthful, but remember when MVRDV hit the stage? Everyone was saying the same thing, and now it's a non-issue. Perhaps they will go the same way. Amazingly enough they were just invited to give presentation in mexico city at the 13th arquine congreso, between zaha hadid and steven holl. This is second time they shared stage with steven holl in 2 years. They must be doing something right ;-)
Anyway, i do like the biennale concept, making it about immigration instead of about themselves. Very non-narcissistic and perfect pitch for our times.
5468796 is a bit long to say
Team Hard Work fits
I just bumped all grad school applicant threads if anybody is interested to study the changing face of architecture education if any..
They should have added the numbers together and got 9. 9/Nine Architects is pretty good. It beats Poor Boys Architecture from the 1990's/early 2000's which of course folded. Everyone know's poor boys/girls can't have successful architecture practices - they proved their own point.
Actually, it was the Poor Boys Enterprise - http://www.architonic.com/aiabt/the-next-enterprise-architects/5201934
Orhan, your little exercise proved declining interest in architectural education or declining interest in Archinect. Or both.
Rusty, there is definitely declining interest in architecture ed and competition among the schools for new students is very fierce.
As far as Archinect, it is omni present in the archi universe and in Apple apps. (unfortunately I don't have an I-Phone) I even see it in school studio reading and research/reference lists now. I am told the site is doing great and even better since v.3., which means and translates as it is visited by people other than architects as well.
best line ever..."it is a bauhaus thing... capitalization is a form of ornament..."
5468796 makes my dyslexia act up.
congrats rationalist.... pending love beats career if you ask me - the former is always harder to find.
manta I feel the need to say welcome back to the profession, but I believe that can't really leave can you - does your brain stop designing? Probably never.
Donna my apologies for a lack of capitalization...
i'm glad i'm not the only one bumfuzzled by 5468796. it makes a good narrative, which has probably helped them gain some traction. i honestly haven't figured out what else has gotten them so much attention: it's good solid work, but....
good morning all
Hi David! Orhan love that new feature.
Rusty, there is definitely declining interest in architecture ed and competition among the schools for new students is very fierce.
Same issue that Law schools are facing - it's now either legacy/rich kids or people who are 100% committed to the profession. Either people are finding work and not needing to postpone entry into the career by going to grad school, or, more likely, people are realizing that cost of these programs are completely out of whack with real salaries. why spend 100-200k on an education when your starting salary is less than someone who cleans up garbage on the side of a highway?
the schools that will win are the big names and the schools with large endowments who can offer $$ for the best students.
also - after the tax revolt in the late 70s, California's public education system has gone completely down the tubes.
competition for students is tough here too. declining population is part of it, but also some ennui i think. ironic timing. wish we had more money to throw at really good students.
@steven re 546...i agree they do not fill the scene with the spectacle we are used to lately (and which everyone complains about). but for an office only a handful of years old they have done well. im looking forward to seeing what they do when they really find their feet.
school year starts again in a few weeks. i'm still exhausted from the last one and not remotely caught up. on bright note will be teaching studio with sejima this term, which am quite looking forward to.
thanks nam.
will, that is a very bright note. sanaa is the darling of students world over these days.. stand on your ground. (sorry for sounding like an horoscopist.;.)
some schools are becoming more and more outrageous with their offerings to draw attention to their programs. some resorting outright star shows not knowing many are not as sharp as they used to be. ie; sci arc have been hosting eisenman, kipnis (a lecture named "who is moss?" the director of the school) thom mayne, peter cook. if you want to see how agressive a school is for new students, look at their february-march lecture/event rosters.
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