The National Council of Architectural Registration Boards (NCARB) is proposing a resolution that would require interns to document their IDP hours every 6 months, otherwise they will begin to lose credit. This initiative is intending to help keep interns on track towards licensure by requiring them to pay attention to their IDP more frequently, and therefore point out potential areas that may be lacking in development before the intern has reached the three-year "finish line". The proposed resolution is meant to be beneficial to us deadline-oriented, occasionally procrastinating interns; But how will it play out? Look for a full article discussing this Draft Resolution in next week's AIArchitect.
This along with ARE Timing will be voted on at NCARB’s Annual Meeting in June. Until then, let your position be known to your State Licensing Board by writing a letter or attending a meeting to show your support of the AIA’s Position on ARE Timing.[/i] AIA NAC
more: n order to ensure that an intern is progressing through the Intern Development Program (IDP) and completing all required training activities in a timely fashion, the National Council of Architectural Registration Boards (NCARB) has put forth Draft Resolution “07-I”, Proposed Six-Month Requirement for Documenting IDP Training Activity". It will require all, new IDP record holders to submit training unit reports at a maximum of once every six months. Similar to the “5-year rolling clock”, any training units that are acquired and not reported prior to the six-month period will begin to “roll off” and no longer be deemed valid to count toward IDP requirements. As written, this new requirement would affect all new IDP record holders that enroll after July 1, 2009.
HELP STOP THIS MEAN-SPIRITED MEASURE- write to your local registration board
Stourley, TK, I love you guys, but I can't say I agree that this is a terrible idea.
One of the biggest problems for me finishing IDP was I just kept PROCRASTINATING and never getting it done. It took at least 18 months longer than it should have because I kept putting it off.
Now granted, if NCARB screws up and loses your paperwork - which they have frequently been known to do - and the six month clock ticks off, I would hope they have methods in place to keep you from losing hours. In other words, if they cause a delay, the intern should not be penalized.
Also, Stourley, this wouldn't affect you at all, would it? It's only for new applications in 2009.
no, it would not, but lib it angers me that interns are somehow supposed to bear the burden of the professional brain drain, when its actions like this that push potential architects away from the profession.
it seems that somehow once a license is attained any responsibility of the profession towards the development and cultivation of prospective interns is forgotten.
abolish NCARB, let the profession dictate the terms for its surrender.
i also don't think it's a good idea, despite the fact that i, too, was a procrastinator. this amounts to babysitting. a sense of personal responsibility will always be the only way you finish idp, even/especially if they throw up more hurdles and deadlines.
now if they actually wanted to assign a real babysitter of your file to call you up occasionally and nag you, that would be OK.
Non-traditional aka older interns will be penalized the worst by this requirement. I know lots of folks that started, stopped, then resumed architectural interning before starting the IDP paperwork. SO how are these folks going to document that they worked for 2 years at joe-schmoe startchitect 10 years ago?
I just was asked by NCARB to submit a form 123 for a job back in 2001. If the new rule passes, why even bother? That job was informative and exposed me to significant amount of contract negociations, CA, and clients- all stuff that is very hard to gain time on.
Just because you like to procrastinate, that shouldn't disqualify you from becoming registered. Tell NCARB that all internship experience, no matter how long ago it was earned MUST STILL BE ACCEPTED!
When NCARB starts to put time limits on the things they do (ie respond to candidates, process paper work), then I think they will have the right to start putting more deadlines on interns. This is just some bureaucrats trying to look busy!
j
The NCARB should be disbanded just for even thinking of such mean-spirited, protectionist measures! sometimes the delays are not the interns fault; my boss takes forever to sign on these forms..
Architects are always torn, it seems, between professionalism and freedom.
Doctors and lawyers and other professionals are pressured much more intensely than architects to get their licenses. But, on the other hand, their system almost guarantees them responsiblities that architects have to fight for. Their training is much more organized than ours.
My problem with IDP isn't that it imposes regulations on our training. It's that it's done in such a weak, half-assed, arbitrary way. It doesn't account for the diversity of architectural practice.
Having been at design firms for six years, I found that I couldn't fulfill most of the back-end requirements.
Basically, IDP works for the set of interns who go straight out after school and get themselves a job on the bottom rung of a corporate ladder and start chewing their way to the top. For the rest of us, it's broken and sucks.
I think the argument that interns are not in complete control of when they submit forms is compelling. NCARB should also promulgate a rule about how long it should take architects to confirm, sign and return an IDP form.
Also, an argument that NCARB should establish a firm time period within which they must ask questions or forever hold their peace, as it were, is also compelling. Unless NCARB and architects themselves are willing to be subject to a time period, I don't see why interns should (continue to) be held solely responsible for actions over which they have limited control at best.
the bottom line for me is that this change would be purely punitive. it has no relation to how one progresses in their career in architecture. i mean, is undocumented experience no longer actually 'experience'?
As an employer of interns I like seeing their IDP workbook every 18 weeks. The IDP has an excel workbook that auto summates your hours and develops your form for submittal to NCARB. It is not that hard to add your hours to the workbook as you complete your daily timesheet. It would not be fair to your employer to have him or her go back 18 months to verify that you completed a CD. – especially if you has since left the firm.
If you can not keep up with your paperwork for IDP now how are you ever going to keep up with the full responsibilities of running a project.
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n order to ensure that an intern is progressing through the Intern Development Program (IDP) and completing all required training activities in a timely fashion, the National Council of Architectural Registration Boards (NCARB) has put forth Draft Resolution “07-I”, Proposed Six-Month Requirement for Documenting IDP Training Activity". It will require all, new IDP record holders to submit training unit reports at a maximum of once every six months. Similar to the “5-year rolling clock”, any training units that are acquired and not reported prior to the six-month period will begin to “roll off” and no longer be deemed valid to count toward IDP requirements. As written, this new requirement would affect all new IDP record holders that enroll after July 1, 2009.
HELP STOP THIS MEAN-SPIRITED MEASURE- write to your local registration board
YEAH!
another way to screw the intern and let the architect off the hook!
NCARB a-holes.
timely fashion?! how long is eternity anyway?
Stourley, TK, I love you guys, but I can't say I agree that this is a terrible idea.
One of the biggest problems for me finishing IDP was I just kept PROCRASTINATING and never getting it done. It took at least 18 months longer than it should have because I kept putting it off.
Now granted, if NCARB screws up and loses your paperwork - which they have frequently been known to do - and the six month clock ticks off, I would hope they have methods in place to keep you from losing hours. In other words, if they cause a delay, the intern should not be penalized.
Also, Stourley, this wouldn't affect you at all, would it? It's only for new applications in 2009.
no, it would not, but lib it angers me that interns are somehow supposed to bear the burden of the professional brain drain, when its actions like this that push potential architects away from the profession.
it seems that somehow once a license is attained any responsibility of the profession towards the development and cultivation of prospective interns is forgotten.
abolish NCARB, let the profession dictate the terms for its surrender.
i also don't think it's a good idea, despite the fact that i, too, was a procrastinator. this amounts to babysitting. a sense of personal responsibility will always be the only way you finish idp, even/especially if they throw up more hurdles and deadlines.
now if they actually wanted to assign a real babysitter of your file to call you up occasionally and nag you, that would be OK.
Non-traditional aka older interns will be penalized the worst by this requirement. I know lots of folks that started, stopped, then resumed architectural interning before starting the IDP paperwork. SO how are these folks going to document that they worked for 2 years at joe-schmoe startchitect 10 years ago?
I just was asked by NCARB to submit a form 123 for a job back in 2001. If the new rule passes, why even bother? That job was informative and exposed me to significant amount of contract negociations, CA, and clients- all stuff that is very hard to gain time on.
Just because you like to procrastinate, that shouldn't disqualify you from becoming registered. Tell NCARB that all internship experience, no matter how long ago it was earned MUST STILL BE ACCEPTED!
This sounds like a way to make people pay maintenance fees on their records for three more years.
When NCARB starts to put time limits on the things they do (ie respond to candidates, process paper work), then I think they will have the right to start putting more deadlines on interns. This is just some bureaucrats trying to look busy!
j
The NCARB should be disbanded just for even thinking of such mean-spirited, protectionist measures! sometimes the delays are not the interns fault; my boss takes forever to sign on these forms..
This is paternalistic horseshit heaped on top of the pile of paternalistic horseshit that is the IDP program.
Architects are always torn, it seems, between professionalism and freedom.
Doctors and lawyers and other professionals are pressured much more intensely than architects to get their licenses. But, on the other hand, their system almost guarantees them responsiblities that architects have to fight for. Their training is much more organized than ours.
My problem with IDP isn't that it imposes regulations on our training. It's that it's done in such a weak, half-assed, arbitrary way. It doesn't account for the diversity of architectural practice.
Having been at design firms for six years, I found that I couldn't fulfill most of the back-end requirements.
Basically, IDP works for the set of interns who go straight out after school and get themselves a job on the bottom rung of a corporate ladder and start chewing their way to the top. For the rest of us, it's broken and sucks.
Farwest, I absolutely agree with you. What is worse is that IDP in fact discredits those who actually have some talent, or some brains...
I think the argument that interns are not in complete control of when they submit forms is compelling. NCARB should also promulgate a rule about how long it should take architects to confirm, sign and return an IDP form.
Also, an argument that NCARB should establish a firm time period within which they must ask questions or forever hold their peace, as it were, is also compelling. Unless NCARB and architects themselves are willing to be subject to a time period, I don't see why interns should (continue to) be held solely responsible for actions over which they have limited control at best.
the bottom line for me is that this change would be purely punitive. it has no relation to how one progresses in their career in architecture. i mean, is undocumented experience no longer actually 'experience'?
Oh come on.
As an employer of interns I like seeing their IDP workbook every 18 weeks. The IDP has an excel workbook that auto summates your hours and develops your form for submittal to NCARB. It is not that hard to add your hours to the workbook as you complete your daily timesheet. It would not be fair to your employer to have him or her go back 18 months to verify that you completed a CD. – especially if you has since left the firm.
If you can not keep up with your paperwork for IDP now how are you ever going to keep up with the full responsibilities of running a project.
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