yeah, we're #1 in lowest salary....wonderful. we did it team!!!!! years of poor business skills and inept explanations of our value to society have really paid off.
The thing that irks me most is landscape architect pay relative to architects. These guys do like one or two drawings that are usually in colored pencil.
The same is true for consulting engineers of all types. Their pay is far better than architects'; they basically come in at 9 and leave at 5; and they don't have the resposibility of making sure everything works in concert. (I know I'm grossly oversimplifying....but what the hell.)
How did architects get to the point where our salaries are so low?
The lawyer our firm hires, if we call him for five minutes, he bills us (at $250 an hour!) But I and every other architect spends days and days each year doing free work. A lawyer or doctor wouldn't EVER do that. We gotta get more businesslike as a profession!
"But I and every other architect spends days and days each year doing free work. A lawyer or doctor wouldn't EVER do that."
Wrong doctors and lawyers are always doing pro-bono work - for most it is mandatory. AFH has had 3 law firms provide services to us, one lawyer has worked with us for 6 years. By having stronger codes of ethics these two professions can justify there high prices.
I don't see the lower salary as lower prestige, I see as an indicator of how much work we have to do to fix the shittiness of our collective self-worth.
We spend years getting whipped by school into a such a masochistic frame of mind that by the end of it we feel we should pay someone to allow us to do our drawing stuff...it's this mentality that has fucked our profession.
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hah! landscrapers beat out archs by $3k and have a better job outlook! I always knew that most architects secretly wanted to be 'scrapers
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well at least we beat out the planners...
Yeah - and that's it. We're lower than everyone else in salary. But man oh man do we have the prestige!
yeah, we're #1 in lowest salary....wonderful. we did it team!!!!! years of poor business skills and inept explanations of our value to society have really paid off.
The thing that irks me most is landscape architect pay relative to architects. These guys do like one or two drawings that are usually in colored pencil.
The same is true for consulting engineers of all types. Their pay is far better than architects'; they basically come in at 9 and leave at 5; and they don't have the resposibility of making sure everything works in concert. (I know I'm grossly oversimplifying....but what the hell.)
How did architects get to the point where our salaries are so low?
The lawyer our firm hires, if we call him for five minutes, he bills us (at $250 an hour!) But I and every other architect spends days and days each year doing free work. A lawyer or doctor wouldn't EVER do that. We gotta get more businesslike as a profession!
For further reading,
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/biztech/articles/061218/18architect.life.htm
Sounds EXACTLY like my average day in the office. The level of accuracy is amazing.
"But I and every other architect spends days and days each year doing free work. A lawyer or doctor wouldn't EVER do that."
Wrong doctors and lawyers are always doing pro-bono work - for most it is mandatory. AFH has had 3 law firms provide services to us, one lawyer has worked with us for 6 years. By having stronger codes of ethics these two professions can justify there high prices.
I don't see the lower salary as lower prestige, I see as an indicator of how much work we have to do to fix the shittiness of our collective self-worth.
farwest- you just don't get it... it's really simple:
X number of architects
X/100 number of Landscape Architects
= better pay for the scapers!
We spend years getting whipped by school into a such a masochistic frame of mind that by the end of it we feel we should pay someone to allow us to do our drawing stuff...it's this mentality that has fucked our profession.
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