Princeton and former School of Architecture Dean Alejandro Zaera-Polo are officially cutting ties as the 57-year-old has been formally dismissed from his faculty position following a unanimous vote by an Ad-Hoc committee of the university’s board of trustees this summer.
Zaera-Polo served as Dean of Princeton's School of Architecture for a brief period from 2012 until 2014, when he resigned following allegations of plagiarism that eventually led to a defamation lawsuit brought by Zaera-Polo against the university, which then made an unsuccessful attempt to dismiss the four-part claim against itself and President Christopher Eisgruber.
Zaera-Polo had continued on as a faculty member despite the surrounding controversy.
In response to his dismissal, Zaera-Polo has issued a 5-hour “Gonzo-style” polemic against the university in which the AZPML founder touches on various topics including “Interpretation Trumps Evidence”, “Identity Politics”, and “The Post-truth University.” The Spanish architect has also made an 813-page accounting of his evidence available to the public in the hopes of making his case more transparent.
The "seminar" consists of seven sessions with an overall duration of 4.5 hours: Introduction (above), Identity Politics, Academic Freedom?, Power and Knowledge, The Post-truth University, Interpretation Trumps Evidence, and Speaking Truth to Power.
“Through this process, I have gradually elevated the controversy about academic freedom, the ideological imposition onto my thesis supervision activities, the blockage to the free association between students and advisors and the illegitimate allocation of credit up to the Board of Trustees, triggering various collateral processes which I have also meticulously recorded,” Zaera-Polo said in an email statement.
He continued: “What emerges from my investigation is a disturbing picture of Princeton as a structure of layers formed by opaque committees that cover up and exonerate each other with the ultimate aim of protecting the authorities, at the expense of truth, the rules, and academic freedom.”
Zaera-Polo shared the following statement with select individuals and press:
For those of you who do not know Princeton, probably the two first sessions and the last one will be probably sufficient to understand the facts. Those of you who know Princeton university or the School of Architecture may enjoy listening to the details of the intermediate sections.
Through this process, I have gradually elevated the controversy about academic freedom, the ideological imposition onto my thesis supervision activities, the blockage to the free association between students and advisors and the illegitimate allocation of credit up to the Board of Trustees, triggering various collateral processes which I have also meticulously recorded.
What emerges from my investigation is a disturbing picture of Princeton as a structure of layers formed by opaque committees that cover up and exonerate each other with the ultimate aim of protecting the authorities, at the expense of truth, the rules, and academic freedom.
The entire process records not only the deceitful behavior of Monica Ponce de Leon, Elizabeth Diller and other members of the faculty at the SoA, but a multitude of administrators and academics throughout the university, acting as pawns of authority, operating unanimously but refusing to argue their decisions publicly and in writing. They regularly lie, incur in conflicts of interest, rewrite rules ad hoc, conceal evidence, falsify records, certify false evidence, create scapegoats, stereotype, impose codes of silence, retaliate, coerce students and do whatever it takes to exonerate academic authority in its most autocratic forms.
Regardless of the future legal implications of these processes, what is most relevant now is to make this evidence available as widely as possible, so feel free to share its content with whoever you think may be interested in this evidence, post it online and in print. The purpose of this communication is to shed light onto the obscure processes which characterize not only the School of Architecture in Princeton, but also the highest echelons of the university.
The processes exemplify the implications of the post-truth culture and the imposition of a relativist ideology which leads to the prevalence of political interests over genuine academic concerns, interpretation over evidence, and the abuse of identity politics and political correctness within the contemporary academia.
I would recommend you to download these materials and save them, as their public availability may be challenged in the future by some of the agents involved.
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Good.
1. The Ivies are not the whole world.
2. The academy is not the whole world.
3. People who need buildings live in the whole world. And there's a WHOLE LOT OF IT with a glorious chaotic clamor of traditions, hopes, needs, comforts, enticements, safeties, and love.
I do not know much about his ideas or work but this happens in academia all the time. When one is in environment where your work contributions are not valued it is better to leave asap. He should focus on his practice and getting work built.
This teaser for season two of The Chair is amazing...
I don't know how to embed tweets but this is fucking perfect.
The Spanish Inquisition lives on at Princeton? Who knew?
If you see him at a party, suggest moving away. Life is too short -
You people won’t realize what you’re being warned of until it’s too late. Watch this. Sound familiar?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA
The Hustle Architect is live tweeting a listening session:
https://twitter.com/VitruviusGrind/status/1445399383898460166
I'm in awe of their stamina. This doesn't seem like an easy watch.
This sort of insider scandal reporting is not helpful.
Come on archinect - stay focused - we've got a planet to save, and the real enemies of progress are NOT schools of architecture. On the other hand, students at SFU in Vancouver are going on a hunger strike, calling for their university to Divest from Fossil Fuels. That is news!
"I acted in the context of a non-academic engagement, with the agreement of the overall author and the chief editor of the publication, and following the polemical — rather than academic — intent of the project. . . . The purpose of removing the citations was to diminish the academic tone of the text and write it into a more casual narrative to make it more accessible for the general public. . . the sources were used only for factual information which is easily available from multiple sources on internet."
https://archinect.com/news/art...
I'm going to jump into this one quickly and just as quickly jump out. His work looks to be a quasi-creative piece, and if what he says is true his omissions are completely acceptable. I know literary magazines that will not allow footnotes. There are different standards for different types of writing. And academic plumbing is off-putting.
From the surface of this, academia does not look good at all. Scholars have a low threshold for tolerating anyone or anything that does not look like them and what they do. The stance is precious, ultimately mindless.
or, "when school is no longer concerned with teaching."
About 18 or 20 years ago, the website for his firm FOA had a somewhat lengthy description/screed about what was required of potential interns. However, the word 'slaves' was used instead of 'interns'. Cheeky fun if you're channeling the abusive insensitive maestro character from a absurdist play. But maybe indicative of something else, a something or someone that we should have said good bye to a while ago.
Now that the auto de fa has been convened and the judgement rendered when will the burning begin?
Should be 'auto de fe'. I may get my 'mouse' hand chopped off for the misspelling.
Stop them! They're burning that straw man!
This is disgraceful. We have witnessed some of these stories first-hand, but we could not imagine that the conflict over thesis was the tip of such an iceberg. It is disgraceful that the best studio in the SoA by some distance, and some of the best seminars are not available any longer because some people in the SoA cannot tolerate alternative approaches, particularly when they are clearly much more interesting than what they offer.
Most surprising is to find all this online. Monica has not addressed this publicly and for what we have gathered, the faculty has not been informed either in any way. In fact, the “thesis courses” which AZP had been denouncing have been suddenly discarded without a proper consultation with the faculty. At least not officially, because it appears as if there were some offline conversations between the Dean and the thesis coordinators which were sent to the administration without a thread of evidence.
To claim that AZPs opposition to the thesis protocols was due to misogyny is ludicrous. Liz Diller’s statement to the investigation committee that students were allowed a co-equal first choice of thesis advisor is blatantly false. And we have also heard about her attempts to coerce a student and a former assistant to make false statements to the investigation committee, much to the dismay of the student in question, who rejected the suggestions and intimated the attempts to some colleagues. Now we see where that fits the story.
For the president to sign that AZP had a “pattern of mistreating graduate students” is unbelievable, particularly in the face that he was the one who came out publicly against the protocols of assigning students against their will to the committees’ cronies, imposing a “theme” on our thesis and producing the systematic conflicting advice between Liz Diller/Sylvia Lavin and the primary advisors. All of these have been concerns of the student body for some time, and a real source of student mistreatment and disrespect. To see how the administration creates such a narrative out of the evidence of three students which were coerced at least in some cases, (and that will not support such accusations, for what we have gathered) and a series of opaque committees that refuse to give account of their conclusions (the code of silence around seminar qualifications and the “interpretations” of the rules against basic math principles!) is truly dismaying. Complaining within this system is pointless, among other things because Princeton may simply not process inconvenient complaints, as we see in the think needs to happen here.
Apologies. We have been told that our last sentence was muddled. It should read: Complaining within this system is pointless, among other things because Princeton may simply not process inconvenient complaints, as we see in the folder of evidence. We thought we had to add some inside perspective here. Some things will need to happen here.
Anyone who thinks any of this is remotely relevant beyond the halls of Princeton needs to get out of academia (&, it could be argued, out of the handful of ivory tower firms at the dumping end of the Ivy League Pipeline) for a few years and see what actual architects do each day.
It's been good drama, but beyond that I really struggle to care about any of this.
I could not agree more.
I got into this profession because I was actually interested in buildings. This has nothing to do with real architecture.
+1
definitely the ivies- i teach at other institutions and it is a pleasure to interact with the faculty.. none of this childish drama.
It's not politics it's soap-opera level palace intrigue.
Somebody's gotta take things down a few pegs.
/\ this /\ I am exhausted by the largely baseless, but widely held, belief that the ivies are somehow far superior to all other USA educational institutions.
i still haven't figured out what this is about nor who to be angry at. too bad architecture doesn't have trashy gossip newsites to keep the masses informed.
Alejandro's fate was sealed the day they bounced him out of the Dean's slot to make way for a female.
Alejandro would have been a pipeline into the modern architecture of Spain and Portugal, and perhaps of Latin America, which is among the most creative and interesting in the world. Instead, Princeton has the three witches from Macbeth dancing around the caldron with Alejandro in it. "Good is evil, and evil is good, Let's fly off through the foggy wood"
We do not know of other ivies. This one is going downhill under Monica, who does not have any vision beyond maintaining her power base under the cover of her politically correct mantra. (we see now why is she so insistent about affirmative action and her 51%) We have a crust of entrenched senior professors, like Liz herself or Guy Nordenson, who are hardly ever there but demand to be listened to, and a totally inconsistent group of young faculty, hired by Monica for political reasons (and through dodgy protocols, as we see now) who are not particularly exciting. This school can afford to buy anyone but is hiring middle ground people who will not cast a shadow over anyone. Typical of a low-calibre head and a system that prioritizes politics over academic concerns. Suppressing the voice and getting rid of the few people who raise relevant questions is unhelpful. As the older faculty gets older and more bored, we do not see how this can be refloated anytime soon.
Monica should make a public statement to explain how this process has unfolded and why the school could not find a solution before reaching the point of firing an important member of the faculty for resisting the imposition of a counterproductive conversation with the “damsels in distress”. Aren’t we supposed to have academic freedom to teach and to learn? Why are we still being forced a “year theme” over our theses?
I dunno much about Princeton, but honestly the guy does not seem academically exciting, sorry, did he publish some peer review papers or something? Couldn´t find anything like that on his website. But he seems to run a fairly active practice, he is probably better off doing that, then participating in some sort of school soap opera that nobody outside of the school cares about.
You keep using the term "the 51%" without defining it, as if it's a widely used term that we should all know (and, it seems, all agree that its somehow not a good thing ). Not to wade back into this thread, but what the hell are you talking about?
Do you really rate the your design professors by the number of peer-reviewed papers? What planet are you from? Do not be disingenuous. If you google him you will probably see that he has more publications that the whole department together, with the exception of the H&T people. You are probably right: the guy has better things to do than sticking around this crowd. But some people here are trying to diminish the importance of what has happened here as a soap opera. When the academic freedom of the students and the faculty are systematically breached for the benefit of some members of the faculty, when the Dean lies non-stop, retaliates, produces false evidence
Do you rate your design professors on the number of peer-reviewed papers? Really? What planet do you come from? Anyhow, AZP has written more than the department together if we remove the H&T faculty. Don’t be disingenuous, you know how to google people better than that. AZPs studios from the last three years “The Posthuman City”, “In the Age of Covid-19” and “Posthuman Keynesianism” were by far the most important in the school, and the most influential among students. There is a number of people in this thread who are trying to say that nothing has happened here and this is a soap opera. But when our academic freedom is breached by the imposition of the ideology of a couple of faculty members, and the Dean lies through her teeth, use gender stereotypes, falsifies minutes and hides evidence, retaliates and even coerces former students to expel one of the most valid members of the faculty, and the whole university administration follows suit through conflicts of interest and deceitful behavior until the President makes the ludicrous accusations of “student mistreatment” the matter ceases to be a comedy and becomes a tragedy. A tragedy that requires public accountability from Monica. And from the President.
Yeah it matters to me if a person calls themselves a "professor" and cannot manage to even produce one peer reviewed paper. It takes a-lot of rigorous work to get something through peer review. Publishing in journals without any form of peer review or even using sources is not very professional or difficult, so I dunno what to say about his other published work. In my opinion to qualify as a professor you are either well known for publishing articles and books of high caliber or for producing compelling architectural design work - preferably built. He does seem to manage to do the latter, although there are far better architects out there, but still his practice is sort of interesting. I think what a-lot of the comments are trying to get across is that there is a world outside of Princeton. What happened to AZP happens in a-lot of schools all the time but that does not make it news, hence the drama soap opera comments. You need to get over Princeton, AZP over himself. And if the school is as toxic as you describe then AZP is better off focusing on his practice anyways, and you are probably better off writing a letter to the dean or the president of the school or something. And for that matter I am probably better off not reading and responding to this matter anymore and getting on with my own work!! So peace!
maybe people here just aren't too concerned with what is happening to princeton/ivy students? especially since the majority of institutions, that are more interested in teaching, and less politics, don't have these sorts of inane issues?
it's a bit of a logical fallacy to extrapolate what is happening in one of the most elite schools in the country to all places of higher ed.. it's similar to twitter tunnel vision.
Sorry archinet, but yes, you should better stay out instead of spreading false rumors here about the number of peer reviewed papers AZP has published. Papers are not published with a "peer reviewed" label, but given the fact that AZP has published multiple papers in Log, Harvard Design Magazine, New Geographies, and publications from the London School of Economics Cities Program and Actar Books, amongst others, it is almost certain that he has many peer reviewed papers and books. Unlike, for example, Liz Diller or Monica Ponce de Leon, who are much less capable thinkers. We are more in agreement with square: what happens here does not happen everywhere and cannot be extrapolated, even to the ivies. The levels of toxicity and deceit are extraordinary as per these revelations, which are shocking even for those of us who were around at the time all this was secretly unfolding. Whether the manifest abuse of affirmative action policies, the disrespect for academic freedom and freedom of expression, and the opaque and deceitful behavior of academic authority is a Princeton trademark or an index of the widespread pandemic of the post-truth university is the real question here.
FYI ppl in academia know full well that log, HDM, new Georgraphies and anything from Actar is definitely not peer reviewed btw. Those publications are by ppl from elite universities almost exclusively and do not go through a blind peer reviewed process. Articles or even presentation for ACADIA conferences for instance are peer- reviewed, and guess who might be an ACADIA rock-star. For better or for worse this matters when it comes to academic jobs. Not saying that something published in Log sucks- plenty of good stuff has been come out of there but so has some questionable stuff. Anyways I mentioned earlier AZP did win international competitions and manage to get interesting work built, which counts in its own right, and it seems he is far better off focusing on his practice then wasting his time at Princeton. You should write a letter to the University President about this AZP fiasco instead of whining about it here.
Do some leg work to find out instead of making blanket statements. Monica does not know how to turn the robot on. Her papers are parasiting the work from other people who do. If you look at the evidence you will see what President Eisgruber does with inconvenient complaints. Pointless to complain within Princeton. And risky. These people retaliate. The accountability must be public.
try the ombudsman, at least then you can file a complaint against the faculty that did the take down.
So you come in here as if you are naive and inexperienced, not knowing anything about Princeton, and having casually come across AZPs website and found it not academically exciting, and then you give us a [false] lecture about the peer review practices of rather elitist publications, and now you want to give us lessons about what to do? Anything within Princeton is hopeless, including the Ombuds. Look at the videos and you will see how the disciplinary system works in Princeton. It is all about authority and silence. Have you seen anything published in the Daily Princetonian about this story? The only option is the courts of law. Then they will have to answer. And then people will get to know more about Liz and Monica lying and coercing students, and the administrators doing a cover-up of the thesis system.
Clearly the likes of you do not care what others outside of Princeton actually think of this matter. I have seen this happen in other schools- horrible yes but best thing to do is get away from toxic environments. Eventually those leading the environments eat each other up. I tried to give some constructive feedback. But this is going nowhere and honestly I have to get back to my own life now and pick up my kids. Sorry no time to watch hours of AZP´s videos. Geez
You keep talking as if you are giving advice to AZP. As if you were one of these members of the faculty who keep muttering in private that this is embarrassing but that the best for AZP was to leave. Michael, Stan, Jesse, Cameron... they are all trying to get themselves off the hook, as if they did not watch this happening and did nothing to stop it. Listen: AZP is gone, much to the despair of some of us who wanted to take his courses. Now, how do we get out of the toxic environment? Worst: how do we get out of the mess that Monica has made of the school, misusing affirmative action for her own benefit (and often turning it into blatant stereotyping and illegal hiring protocols). What do we do with a dean who is a fake and a liar, and has shielded Liz from doing nothing for decades while getting exclusive credit for thesis? What do we do with Sylvia and her defence of the thesis system on the grounds of misogyny? Isn't it clear enough that Monica has to resign ASAP and Liz has to be put immediately to teach something instead of forcing her stupid themes on our thesis? Shouldn't Monica listen to much needed "structural change"?
I feel for you. I went to two schools which I did not enjoy, undergrad and masters. For my undergrad I was disappointed with our dean at the time and what she did to our thesis system so I went to the Ombudsman and complained about that and about the fact that she threw out student work without anyone´s permission bc they were lying around the hallway and were a fire safety. What happened? She quit. For my master´s I also hated some of the faculty in charge and their pedagogical stance so I came up with a thesis that countered the dominant pedagogical stance. Did I win any awards?- no bc my thesis advisor was not in charge of delegating the awards. What did I do? I published my work (non- peer review) in some archizines. In the end it barely matters when you start working. What should you do? Hard to answer, but I at least you are at Princeton and from my experience Princeton alumni are very very well taken care of, so do what you want for your thesis or projects, try not to make any enemies with the faculty (they sound lethal) and then enjoy your alumni status when done. Or you can switch schools. Also really go to the Ombusman and make a formal complaint, they will keep a record of it and nobody will know who did the complaint.
Looks as if you really know about Princeton. You seem to be very crafty with your strategies too. Students here have followed similar strategies to those you are recommending for years and we are still suffering from that, still being given a theme for our thesis every year. I can guarantee nobody will go to the ombuds or to any other body in the university. Particularly after the revelation of how they work and how people are "taken care" of. some people are even asked to lie to investigation committees so that some faculty can keep doing nothing and lie about the assignment protocols. If you look through the material you will find evidence of it: who has ever heard of a co-equal first choice of advisor? Well it looks as if the pressure works on some people who want to be taken care of, including assistants/scapegoats.
You really need to be deaf not to hear the call for structural change, and quit!
Well then switch schools. Nobody outside of Princeton cares about that school- really. Its small and elitist. So if you think ppl outside of Princeton are going to start marching around and calling for structural change, forget it. Perhaps you should talk to your student friends and make a protest with them and alumni? If this is unlikely to happen and you are that unhappy with the place then leave. One day you will graduate and get a life and realize there is more to life then Princeton and probably forget all of this fiasco and hopefully build nice buildings and focus on that. Believe me its the way to go.
agreed archinet- the ivies seem to have an endemic disease about them, which might have something to do with the faculty they hire..
Are you defending the structure? Are you suggesting we should not criticize the system? Of course, we have considered leaving or transferring to another school. And so did other people last year. And the year before. But once you are in it you are stuck. We wish we had chosen another offer. This is a warning for people thinking in applying to Princeton SoA: if you want to learn about architecture, go elsewhere. Now we know what was behind those embarrassing lectures about identity last spring and the “women in architecture” conferences: an alibi to profit from the 51% and a legitimation for ethnically-exclusive hiring protocols to build majorities which protect the status quo of some well-known figures in the business who have done nothing for decades, but have absorbed the credit. This is not just tokenism as some people are saying here. This is a cover-up for some incredibly weak people to remain in power in the “post-truth university”. We wish this was “elitist”. At the moment, what is left is a crust of entitled senior faculty surrounded by a cohort of run-of- the-mill junior faculty who are constantly compromised by the toxic politics of the oldies. Nothing very exquisite. And it is not likely to change in the near future, so this is a warning for future applicants, even if Monica hears the calls for structural change. But the relevance of this is not just about the “small and elitist PSoA”: it is a global example of what lies behind these “woke” politics that are spreading everywhere. When you get a dean and some senior faculty spreading the rumor that AZP’s legitimate opposition to the thesis system is due to misogyny, (a behavior that nobody we know has ever noticed in AZP’s engagement with students) and coercing former students and assistants to make false statements to investigations, you are in very serious trouble. Other schools may not have fallen this low yet. But watch out for the “wokes”.
The context sounds like a corporate bastion. Enforce, create endless detailed rules, regulations, and policies but propagate free, uninhibited thinking. Is that possible?
Requiem by Lady Monica and the Princeton Faculty Orchestra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Just putting it out here.
"Eisgruber: We’re all muddled. Yes, we are."
https://www.theatlantic.com/po...
There is a lot of one model fits all political tools and manuals. The board room conservatism running the show. Tokenism ate the ideals.
Anyone else want some, popcorn seems trite at this point.
600 FUCKING MG? See you in a few days.
Duuuuuuuude! I was so wrecked.
Dear Archinect
We have just noticed that one of the most important contributors to this thread, tigerstoo, has been suddenly cancelled. Not only seems to have been banned, but all her previous messages have been deleted. We do not know why but a colleague has told us that he saw two posts from him regarding the new video that AZP has posted in Vimeo.
We do not know what the sin has been, but we think that if you have to cancel people, you should not pretend that they were never part of the thread: you should state it publicly, and explain why they have been cancelled and, most importantly, why their previous posts have been removed. This is the usual procedure in most websites.
Otherwise you are breaching the contributors’ right to free speech, and distorting the dialog, just like Eisgruber and Monica did in Princeton, in the name of equality. Are you part of the wokes?
We look forward to an explanation.
The account wasn't banned, it was blocked from commenting on this thread. The reason is that the same user "alejandro zaera-polo" is also commenting with these alternative accounts/usernames:
PublicAccount
tigerstoo
This is clearly misrepresentation, which isn't tolerated in a context like this.
* please note, this isn't an assumption, this is fact based on the user account identity signatures only our admins can view, which can identify each user to their specific IP address and geographic location
Hi Alejandro.
We have just noticed that one of the most important contributors to this thread, tigerstoo has been suddenly cancelled
split personality, over-inflated sense of importance, delusions of grandeur, oh my..
this whole spectacle, while entertaining, has been quite bizarre. time to move on alejandro, i don't think this strategy is working, and is decidedly having the reverse effect that you intended.
Big green head for the win, again.
When will these "free speech" clowns ever get a clue?
just goes to show how much of this "canceling" "free speech" etc crap is just a false flag for an inability to find an audience for unpopular ideas, so much so that in this case someone had to MAKE UP fake accounts in order to quite literally hear themselves talk. wild.
Lately I just feel bad for the guy. I hope he gets help and finds some stability in his life.
i also must congratulate archinect on this dunk.
Wow! What a great scoop! But, even if all this was true, and we are all the same, or at least located in the same place, why didn’t you block (and delete) both accounts? You didn’t simply block the account, you deleted all the posts. Why allowing PublicAccount to continue posting (or displaying) “unpopular” ideas (or facts) about “free speech” and “cancelling”? You will earn some further applause from the mob above… They prefer more “popular” conversations about race and gender, even at the expense of people being hired from ethnically exclusive lists, the misuse of the 51%, misogyny and harassment allegations, and even more seriously dishonest behavior, as we have seen now...
no, we just think you are a clown who fabricates multiple identities in order to air your grievances.
We haven't blocked all of your different aliases because we believe the transparency is important within the context of this news article.
What a sad little wanker.
There's a saying about giving one enough rope to hang themselves...
Anything but transparent. So what made you decide to shut down tigerstoo instead of us if we are both the same. S/he was there first. Did you flip a coin? Or was it more a matter of the content that you did not want to show?
We are curious about the shared IT address/location. Can you post it? If you do not want to disclose it, can you please send it to our email?
We are delighted to hear the mob in full flight!
Buddy, no one cares about your fake outrage. Get another hobby, this one is not working out for you.
So AZP is PublicAccount?
There are 3 Archinect user accounts (out of hundreds of thousands) that use this exact same very specific device IP address. They are "tigerstoo", "PublicAccount" & "alejandro zaera-polo" - the latter account is associated with his confirmed personal email address. Extrapolate that as you wish.
LMAO he should just let it go on this forum at least. He can't find any sympathy here.
I wonder what brilliant brain-droppings Alejandro will leave today.
imagine taking the time to not only make 3(+) different accounts, but then interchangabley log into them, and then attempt to use a different "voice" in order to make them appear to be separate views which all ultimately agree quite neatly with azp. this is something people get fired for due to lack of integrity and honesty... but looks like someone beat you to the punch there.
A lot of forums I've participated on in the past will hand out lifetime bans for sock puppet behaviors. That Archinect will allow AZP to keep all three of these accounts and only block one of them from one discussion is actually quite generous when you think about it.
His career went off to such a great start, with the Yokohama terminal. And he was Dean of an Ivy department just recently. Please don't demean yourself AZP!
Well, it looks as if you are also blocking our messages now, while keeping others. Where is the transparency of your cancellations? We have an idea of what is happening here, but it looks as if you do not want to hear it or test it. Your alleged scoop serves you well as an alibi to cancel the content that you dislike. Can you send us the IT address?
Stop. This has nothing to do with whether we like your comments or not. There is nothing subjective about this. The action we took was because we don't tolerate misrepresentation in our forum, especially when it is an individual defending themselves by trying to fool others into believing it is someone else. The only reason we publicly disclosed that these accounts are all operated by the same individual is in response to you publicly demanding to know why the account was blocked. (blocking means all the comments in a thread are closed and the user can't contribute any longer)
If you want to know your IP address just go here - https://whatismyipaddress.com/
You'll see that yours ends in 3.3 and is a proxy server based in Belgium, that you use to access the internet for each of these 3 accounts. It will show this same IP address regardless of what Archinect account you're logging in with. As mentioned earlier, the only 3 Archinect user accounts that connect through this IP address are "tigerstoo", "PublicAccount" & "alejandro zaera-polo"
All this from a Princeton academic? Sure does not look good for that school.
I love watching an academic lose he's shit. It's so goddamn affirming.
azp over here like
Odd, the link above shows that I am in Pennsylvania, south of Pittsburgh, where I have never lived or even traveled to with a laptop or cellphone. Extrapolate that as you wish.
In any event, "Public Account' writes much too well for English to be a second language. Maybe Alejandro has a girlfriend who knows where all the Princeton brain-dead and menopausal bodies are buried?
I agree, he should just move on with his career. The game isn't worth the candle.
Mine says I'm in montreal
IP addresses indicate the location of the server or computer you use to access the internet. If you're using a mobile device, for example, the cell network may be located far from where you are physically located. Yes, your IP address is in Montreal. Volunteer, if you check the IP address from the same device that you're using to comment on Archinect, you'll see it's in Virginia. If you're seeing Pennsylvania then it's from a different device than you're using here.
Thanks for the explanation. Usually I access from my HP desktop, but now and then from an I-pad.
AZP is a fine writer in English
Not that good.
Bingo! Belgium, that is what we wanted to read. The wonders of the VPNs. We have found an interesting file in our computer… And taken action about it.
So now you are posting our comments again. Some of them. Others are deleted. Beyond cancelling users and deleting their files, your policy seems to be able to cancel posts now and then?
We were wondering why did you choose us rather than alejandro zaera polo or tigerstoo. Other people are also wondering why not to block us too. Answering that question is about transparency too. The answer is that you wanted to cancel tigerstoo. We do not recall seeing posts from alejandro zaera polo, but if there were, they seem to have been deleted.
"So now you are posting our comments again. Some of them. Others are deleted"
Nope. The only action that has been taken was the tigerstoo account was blocked from this thread. All comments by that account, along with in-line/direct responses to those comments, were closed when the account was blocked. No other moderation has been taken to date in the comments on this article.
"your policy seems to be able to cancel posts now and then?"
We don't know what you mean by that. We moderate the comments to comply with our T.O.S.
"We were wondering why did you choose us rather than alejandro zaera polo or tigerstoo"
One of our moderators blocked "tigerstoo" due to incessant and suspicious comments, pending final review by an admin. Before the admin reviewed the case, "PublicAccount" demanded an explanation about the moderation, which lead to further investigation and discovery that "tigerstoo", "PublicAccount" & "alejandro zaera-polo" all share the same unique IP address, so this information was shared in our response, and we decided to keep a record of the remaining posts for context.
Alex, baby, time to let it go. You've only fooled yourself here.
So, isn't your argument for cancelling tigerstoo that there was a single user with various accounts? Why are you allowing one user to have two aliases.
Here is one of the posts you have deleted (there are others):
We can’t find any posts from alejandro zaera polo. Have you also blocked/deleted that account? Presumably you should have, right? We would be grateful if you could disclose the offending IP address or send it to us. We would like to check it if possible. Now that we are left as the last bastion of the group, we would like to follow this matter. Although we do not have much more to add beyond our cancellation accusation. For now…
Where does it violate your TOS? Look at the mobs comments above. Some of them are more in violation of your TOS...
Face it, you cancelled tigerstoo because you did not like it. And you are deleting other posts from us because they are critical of Monica.
lol "we", "us"
I'm fairly certain that if you posted all that material again honestly, under your own name, it would reappear.
For fuck's sake Alex, you really like digging holes. Will this be on the final of your "how to tank a career and public profile 101" course?
can someone get this guy a commission?
I don't particularly disagree with AZP in every point he is making but "he and they" need a crash course on how to argue on the net. Most of us learned the hard way.
Good morning Archinect. I don’t know who on the team is responding to AZP here, but I appreciate their calmness and logic. These actions all make perfect sense when one is not deep in the weeds of their own conspiracy theory.
Archinect is a public forum run by a private entity. That private entity sets rules and users of the forum have to abide by them. This is NOT a free-speech issue.
As a private company, Archinect is free to do whatever it wants with the posts. No question there. Nobody can sue. More sinister is the redirection of traffic through foreign servers. Not saying this is necessarily Archinect’s making. It could have been done by someone else…
The question is not that. The question is whether Archinect has rules, TOS etc, or whether it just cancels depending on the content of the posts. As things stand now, it looks as if sometimes it cancels users or posts when they do not suit their interests. Some people above have answered our posts on other threads before they were deleted, because they were critical of Monica and the SoA professional capacities.
And, if Archinect’s hypothesis is true, they should have either cancelled us or alejandro zaera polo, in compliance with their own policy of no aliases. But they say they have not cancelled that user, although we cannot find any posts to that name. And they are only cancelling some of our messages.
We believe that tigerstoo crossed the line regarding his last messages regarding AZP’s latest Vimeo video, which we did not have the chance to see. Does anybody has a screenprint or something? We have heard about the subject, but we would like to see it.
We know it's you, Alex, give it a rest. You've done nothing but hammer home that you're a disgruntled and clueless ex-academic.
No. Go away.
All I have to say is this
DAMN AZP YOU NEED SOME HELP
It's really hard to single handedly reform a dysfunctional and entrenched department or institution if indeed that is truly so. Banging your head against a stone wall only bloodies it.
In my experience its best to move on to something more compatible. Life is too short.
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