But... This is all just info from "democratic party insiders"... Do we know for certain Clinton's out? I guess we'll know tomorrow...
Way back before the primary season even kicked off, my choice was Obama Edwards '08. So my wife asked me just now: What about John Edwards? I responded, "Well, now he can do Sunsetter Retractable Awning commercials".
I am excited with Biden, especially looking ahead to the VP debates. When he actually got some time in front of the mic during the Dem primaries, he was gold! And he would tear Mittens a new one. Over and over again.
we also now know that biden thinks his wife is "drop dead gorgeous." (it sounded a bit like he had consumed about 6 manhattans before uttering that line.)
By DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writer
8 minutes ago
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, hoping to unite the Democratic Party and cement her future in it, will gather her hard-won primary delegates Wednesday at a reception where she is expected to formally release them to Barack Obama.
The New York senator has invited her pledged delegates to a reception at the Colorado Convention Center, not far from the main Democratic National Convention arena.
The high-profile gathering of political regulars who once fought against Obama serves a dual purpose for Clinton: Show fellow Democrats that she can be a team player, and display her still-formidable political strengths for the future. Many of her supporters want her to run for president again.
A Democratic official told The Associated Press Sunday, a day before the convention begins, that she is expected to release her delegates at the Wednesday event. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to discuss details publicly.
Asked about Clinton's plans for the event, her spokesman Philippe Reines said it will be "an opportunity for Senator Clinton to see her delegates — many for the first time since the primaries ended, thank them for their hard work and support, and most importantly to encourage them to support and work for Senator Obama as strongly as she has in order to elect him in November."
At an appearance in Fresno, California, for the United Farm Workers, Clinton declined to comment on her plans for the Wednesday event. She praised Obama's newly-minted running mate Joe Biden, another sign of party loyalty.
"I know him very well, and I know he has been on the front lines of the fight for social and economic justice his entire time in public service," Clinton said.
She has support among key voting groups that Obama has yet to win over, particularly women, older voters, and working-class voters.
Coming into the convention, many Democrats have wondered exactly how and when Clinton would throw her delegates to Obama, and if that would be a messy, contentious affair.
Some Clinton delegates still plan to vote for her at the convention, even if she releases them.
"This is much bigger than Hillary," said Pam Durham, a Clinton delegate from Fort Worth, Texas. "I have a responsibility. I do not own my vote. I have to represent the voters who sent me."
Pat Bakalian, a Clinton delegate from Santa Cruz, Calif., agreed. She said she came to Denver to vote for Clinton, "and it's what I'm going to do."
Both Durham and Bakalian said Obama has not yet won their support. They are waiting to see how Clinton is treated at the convention, and to make sure the nominating process is run fairly.
Daniel Kagan, a Clinton delegate from Colorado, said, "I was sent to Denver to vote for Clinton. I would be letting my voters down if I voted for anyone else."
Kagan said he plans to vote for Obama in November, but he won't be volunteering for the campaign.
"I'll get behind it (the ticket) weakly," Kagan said.
Republicans are already trying to take advantage of such potential fissures.
John McCain's campaign launched a television ad suggesting rival Barack Obama snubbed Clinton because of her criticism during the Democratic primary fight.
The ad features clips of Clinton, including one in which she accused him of negative campaigning, and a voiceover announcer says: "She won millions of votes but isn't on the ticket. Why? For speaking the truth."
Clinton aides responded that she clearly supports Obama and agrees with him on important issues like health care and the Iraq war, and doesn't agree with McCain on those issues.
___
Associated Press Writer Stephen Ohlemacher in Denver and Tracie Cone in Fresno, Calif. contributed to this report.
Clinton supporters who won't support Obama are just a bunch of racists.
4arch, I see that comment nothing more than race baiting. As a firm advocate of third parties I'm offended by any comments expecting "party loyalty" above all else, especially when such derogatory language is used.
Maybe so aquapura but you have to admit a good bit of them probably are racist. Has nothing to do with Hillary or how she ran her campaign. Clinton and Obama's platforms were virtually the same. Why would it be such a big deal to say sure I'll go with the other guy who has basically the same views.
Not only that but they would vote for McCain over Obama. It's pretty ridiculous. If they were all saying we just won't vote it would be one thing. But to say you are going to vote for the white man that has completely different views rather than the black man who has virtually the same. What is one to think?
I don't expect party loyalty above all else but I do expect people to be honest with themselves and others about their reasons for supporting or refusing to support a particular candidate. Most of the explanations I've seen Clinton supporters give for not supporting Obama seem pretty anemic and tortured, particularly in light of the fact that Clinton and Obama's positions on so many issues are virtually indistinguishable and together are closer to each other than to any of the other candidates. This all just leads me to believe there is at least a grain of truth to what I say.
4arch - what would you say to a Hillary supporter that says she'd rather see McCain win in '08 so Hillary can run again in 2012 rather than 2016? I don't think that's racist, just playing party politics and why I believe Hillary supporters would cross party vote in November.
Not PC to say. Selfish and sore loser, yes, but cunningly tactic IMO. Obama surely couldn't make as good of a run in 2012 after losing once already to McCain, and Hillary would have a good platform to argue she should've been on the ticket back in '08 and is better equipped to run in 2012.
Ya I think PUMA ("party unity my ass") members who will choose mccain over obama belong to one of the following categories:
a. sore losers,
b. hillary fanboys and fangirls, not real thinking voters,
c. feminists offended by media sexism, who don't really care about the country, prioritize their own agendas,.. who regardless of policy, think having a woman president is more important.
d. people who *enjoy* the negative smear aspects of campaigns generally (both in hillary's campaign and in mccains), think it makes her (and them) a "winner"... these are the guys who just like dirt... they're fans of tabloids, reverend wright soundbite clips, and the o.j. trial
e. republican *plants* in the democratic party... obviously they are not real democrats if they vote for mccain, who right now absolutely represents the bush ideology and policy
f. clinton "loyalists", more worried about politics of power within the democratic party than the politics concerning the country generally
g. racists (there's a possibility)
h. people who were somehow personally offended by obama's so called "negative attacks" (which simply told them to stop the negative campaign tactics and stick to real issues)... they think smear campaigns are the way to go...
i. people who think obama swung too far center, who like the ways thing were... the divided partisan tradition...
j. people who bought the "lack of experience" argument put forward by clinton
bRink, you're so empathetic. It's great to talk about nebulous "voters" and peg EVERY ONE on their reasons for not liking Obama to negative impulses like racism, isn't it? Makes life so simple.
I know some Clinton supporters personally (I am one of them, although I am now an Obama supporter): they honestly thought Clinton was the best choice, and they ARE hurt that she is not the nominee, and most of them DO realize that Obama is now the better choice. But even if some of them now voted for McCain, I would not agree with their choice, but would respect their right to make it and not lump them in you simplistic a to q.
Well its definitely unsettling, but I dont think its helpful to blame psycho-meth heads on republicans.
On the clinton/mccain drama-off, I think we talk less cause there dont seem to be any McCainiacs around here anymore to fight with. Look theres definitely going to be some hillary people who somehow vote for McCain, but the hugest majority who know she was actually fighting for something, for heathcare and a foreign policy that actually makes sense, know just how desperately we need to win this thing. The obama people might not have liked some of her tactics, but there was barely daylight between their actual platform to squabble over.
Emilio, I apologize, maybe I was a little bit harsh... I have nothing against Hillary supporters, note I said PUMA members, which is hardly lumping all Hillary supporters together...
That said, I must admit, PUMA has me totally baffled, and that was honestly a confounded attempt to understand where these people are coming from... It just doesn't make any sense... I mean no disrespect, and do not mean to imply that race is the primary issue here, maybe only that none of the rationales I've seen make any sense...
This election has too much at stake, so it just seems rather selfish, and irresponsible to vote against your democratic values when so much is at stake... Hillary Clinton understands that this election is not about Obama or McCain or her... This is bigger than the candidates, and bigger than small politics, it's about the welfare of our country and people, the economy, the environment, and foreign relations, people's lives. She is fully in support of Obama, so it's only a handful of people who are acting alone to try to bring down the country, about progress... This is about issues, not about persons...
HRC supporters voting for McDouche, if he wins, can explain to their daughters, nieces, granddaughters, sisters and any other women, why Roe was overturned. If Obama does lose, 2012 better not find any HRC canvassers on my doorstep, they get rotten eggs and the gasface.
There are a lot of reasons not to vote for McCain but fear of him overturning Roe isn't one of them. I guarantee he won't do it. Having Roe around has been nothing but a boon to the republican party.
Do you seriously think the republican party leadership would let him nominate any judge who would even think about overturning Roe? If the republicans "win" the abortion issue think of all the votes and donations this issue consistently brings to the party that would be put on thin ice.
"I'd rather vote Neo-fascist, err Republican, than vote for Obama!" -ubiquitous bitter HRC supporter. I like HRC a lot, and she didn't get a fair shake, but these people need to get their shit together.
We need affordable Health insurance, a commitment to sustainable energy, a government more in line with Australia, Germany, Spain and Britain on social and environmental issues. This country cannot take another 4 years of George Bush and John McCain.
The republican arguments are all a toxic distraction...
The whole election is pretty clear. Clinton is upset because there was no restoration. The Republicans are trying to make a tempest of this. Meanwhile the Republican attack machine is trying to make the campaign all about Obama. The hipster doofus pictured above continues the "celebrity" theme.
Whatever. McCain was a big celebrity himself like on the Saturday NIght Live skit where he plays the creepy husband:
The country desperately needs a new direction internationally and at home. It would be good to see Austin Goolsbee's and Samantha Power's influence in the economy and Iraq.
Perhaps Clinton supporters are too dumb to understand what racism means?
At a meeting of the Democratic women’s caucus Tuesday, 74-year-old Carol Anderson of Vancouver, Wash., a former Hillary volunteer, stood in the back of the room in a Hillary T-shirt and hat signed by Hillary and “Nobama” button and booed every time any of the women speakers mentioned Obama’s name.
She’s voting for McCain and had nothing nice to say about the Obamas. What about the kids, I asked. “Adorable,” she agreed. Well, I said, Michelle raised them.
“I think her mother does,” Anderson shot back, adding: “I wonder if Michelle would give the Queen one of her little knuckle punches?”
Then again, a 74 year old white woman would fit the demo. Face it, this is less about women and more about a generation that thinks they're being passed by a younger more "with it" generation, that is sick and tired of letting old fogeys - no offense OF - fuck it up.
Ok, I'll give my response to Ms. Anderson above and all the other Clintonites who now berate Obama instead of moving on (which are not the same as "Clinton supporters", in the large part), and I apologize beforehand for speaking frankly and to the point:
FUCK THEM
And now I'm going to take a large sleeping pill: wake me up the day after the election.
(And Mo Dowd doesn't know movies: she's quoting "Godfather III", the crappy final installement to two preceding masterpieces).
who's ready for slick willy's speech!?! should be in 1-1/2 to 2 hours i'm tingling all over! followed by our regular joe i'm just biden my time waitin' for this oh god the best week of my life (until tomorrow when, you know, the One speaks!)!
VOTE OBAMA
Obama Biden '08... Nice...
But... This is all just info from "democratic party insiders"... Do we know for certain Clinton's out? I guess we'll know tomorrow...
Way back before the primary season even kicked off, my choice was Obama Edwards '08. So my wife asked me just now: What about John Edwards? I responded, "Well, now he can do Sunsetter Retractable Awning commercials".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDE6ya2SaRo
just got the text message........Obama/Obama!
j/k
no, i really did get the text....Obama Biden 2008!
Biden...good choice....yea, good choice.
...yeah, and i think Joe only has one or two homes, not 11.
^ Joltin' Joe was ranked 99 of our 100 senators in 2005 ranking...here's a WaPo bio-type piece on the man... (from last fall)
I am excited with Biden, especially looking ahead to the VP debates. When he actually got some time in front of the mic during the Dem primaries, he was gold! And he would tear Mittens a new one. Over and over again.
Let's hope so. Go JoBama !
we also now know that biden thinks his wife is "drop dead gorgeous." (it sounded a bit like he had consumed about 6 manhattans before uttering that line.)
Clinton expected to release delegates Wednesday
By DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writer
8 minutes ago
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, hoping to unite the Democratic Party and cement her future in it, will gather her hard-won primary delegates Wednesday at a reception where she is expected to formally release them to Barack Obama.
The New York senator has invited her pledged delegates to a reception at the Colorado Convention Center, not far from the main Democratic National Convention arena.
The high-profile gathering of political regulars who once fought against Obama serves a dual purpose for Clinton: Show fellow Democrats that she can be a team player, and display her still-formidable political strengths for the future. Many of her supporters want her to run for president again.
A Democratic official told The Associated Press Sunday, a day before the convention begins, that she is expected to release her delegates at the Wednesday event. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to discuss details publicly.
Asked about Clinton's plans for the event, her spokesman Philippe Reines said it will be "an opportunity for Senator Clinton to see her delegates — many for the first time since the primaries ended, thank them for their hard work and support, and most importantly to encourage them to support and work for Senator Obama as strongly as she has in order to elect him in November."
At an appearance in Fresno, California, for the United Farm Workers, Clinton declined to comment on her plans for the Wednesday event. She praised Obama's newly-minted running mate Joe Biden, another sign of party loyalty.
"I know him very well, and I know he has been on the front lines of the fight for social and economic justice his entire time in public service," Clinton said.
She has support among key voting groups that Obama has yet to win over, particularly women, older voters, and working-class voters.
Coming into the convention, many Democrats have wondered exactly how and when Clinton would throw her delegates to Obama, and if that would be a messy, contentious affair.
Some Clinton delegates still plan to vote for her at the convention, even if she releases them.
"This is much bigger than Hillary," said Pam Durham, a Clinton delegate from Fort Worth, Texas. "I have a responsibility. I do not own my vote. I have to represent the voters who sent me."
Pat Bakalian, a Clinton delegate from Santa Cruz, Calif., agreed. She said she came to Denver to vote for Clinton, "and it's what I'm going to do."
Both Durham and Bakalian said Obama has not yet won their support. They are waiting to see how Clinton is treated at the convention, and to make sure the nominating process is run fairly.
Daniel Kagan, a Clinton delegate from Colorado, said, "I was sent to Denver to vote for Clinton. I would be letting my voters down if I voted for anyone else."
Kagan said he plans to vote for Obama in November, but he won't be volunteering for the campaign.
"I'll get behind it (the ticket) weakly," Kagan said.
Republicans are already trying to take advantage of such potential fissures.
John McCain's campaign launched a television ad suggesting rival Barack Obama snubbed Clinton because of her criticism during the Democratic primary fight.
The ad features clips of Clinton, including one in which she accused him of negative campaigning, and a voiceover announcer says: "She won millions of votes but isn't on the ticket. Why? For speaking the truth."
Clinton aides responded that she clearly supports Obama and agrees with him on important issues like health care and the Iraq war, and doesn't agree with McCain on those issues.
___
Associated Press Writer Stephen Ohlemacher in Denver and Tracie Cone in Fresno, Calif. contributed to this report.
yay! vote for clinton!!
Jeez. Would they still vote for Clinton if she was (god forbid). . .dead ?
Clinton supporters who won't support Obama are just a bunch of racists.
4arch, I see that comment nothing more than race baiting. As a firm advocate of third parties I'm offended by any comments expecting "party loyalty" above all else, especially when such derogatory language is used.
Maybe so aquapura but you have to admit a good bit of them probably are racist. Has nothing to do with Hillary or how she ran her campaign. Clinton and Obama's platforms were virtually the same. Why would it be such a big deal to say sure I'll go with the other guy who has basically the same views.
Not only that but they would vote for McCain over Obama. It's pretty ridiculous. If they were all saying we just won't vote it would be one thing. But to say you are going to vote for the white man that has completely different views rather than the black man who has virtually the same. What is one to think?
I don't expect party loyalty above all else but I do expect people to be honest with themselves and others about their reasons for supporting or refusing to support a particular candidate. Most of the explanations I've seen Clinton supporters give for not supporting Obama seem pretty anemic and tortured, particularly in light of the fact that Clinton and Obama's positions on so many issues are virtually indistinguishable and together are closer to each other than to any of the other candidates. This all just leads me to believe there is at least a grain of truth to what I say.
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned ? Was Shakespeare a sexist too ?
4arch - what would you say to a Hillary supporter that says she'd rather see McCain win in '08 so Hillary can run again in 2012 rather than 2016? I don't think that's racist, just playing party politics and why I believe Hillary supporters would cross party vote in November.
Not PC to say. Selfish and sore loser, yes, but cunningly tactic IMO. Obama surely couldn't make as good of a run in 2012 after losing once already to McCain, and Hillary would have a good platform to argue she should've been on the ticket back in '08 and is better equipped to run in 2012.
Ya I think PUMA ("party unity my ass") members who will choose mccain over obama belong to one of the following categories:
a. sore losers,
b. hillary fanboys and fangirls, not real thinking voters,
c. feminists offended by media sexism, who don't really care about the country, prioritize their own agendas,.. who regardless of policy, think having a woman president is more important.
d. people who *enjoy* the negative smear aspects of campaigns generally (both in hillary's campaign and in mccains), think it makes her (and them) a "winner"... these are the guys who just like dirt... they're fans of tabloids, reverend wright soundbite clips, and the o.j. trial
e. republican *plants* in the democratic party... obviously they are not real democrats if they vote for mccain, who right now absolutely represents the bush ideology and policy
f. clinton "loyalists", more worried about politics of power within the democratic party than the politics concerning the country generally
g. racists (there's a possibility)
h. people who were somehow personally offended by obama's so called "negative attacks" (which simply told them to stop the negative campaign tactics and stick to real issues)... they think smear campaigns are the way to go...
i. people who think obama swung too far center, who like the ways thing were... the divided partisan tradition...
j. people who bought the "lack of experience" argument put forward by clinton
k. glass half empty
l. don't like hope
m. don't like inspiring speaches
n. don't like "stupid" youth voters
o. afraid / don't like change
p. special interests
q. they think hillary can still win
aqua, i'd say they'd gone batty.
hillary had her chance and lost. if she pulled a lieberman here, there is no way she'd get the democratic nomination in 2012.
bRink, you're so empathetic. It's great to talk about nebulous "voters" and peg EVERY ONE on their reasons for not liking Obama to negative impulses like racism, isn't it? Makes life so simple.
I know some Clinton supporters personally (I am one of them, although I am now an Obama supporter): they honestly thought Clinton was the best choice, and they ARE hurt that she is not the nominee, and most of them DO realize that Obama is now the better choice. But even if some of them now voted for McCain, I would not agree with their choice, but would respect their right to make it and not lump them in you simplistic a to q.
funny how this thread lies dormant for months after obama wins the nomination. ho hum - obama v. mccain, who cares?
but one mention of hillary and this thing blows up again. i think obama supporters find hillary v. obama much more engaging than mccain v. obama.
That is, respect it if they give me well thought out reasons why they will now pick McCain...but still won't agree with them.
Yea, ja, McCain is about as exciting as watching paint dry.
high VOC paint
wow, republicans really are trying to make it like '68
friggin clowns
Well its definitely unsettling, but I dont think its helpful to blame psycho-meth heads on republicans.
On the clinton/mccain drama-off, I think we talk less cause there dont seem to be any McCainiacs around here anymore to fight with. Look theres definitely going to be some hillary people who somehow vote for McCain, but the hugest majority who know she was actually fighting for something, for heathcare and a foreign policy that actually makes sense, know just how desperately we need to win this thing. The obama people might not have liked some of her tactics, but there was barely daylight between their actual platform to squabble over.
Yes.
Maybe sanity will prevail at the eleventh hour -- even, or especially, after an October Surprise ?
Emilio, I apologize, maybe I was a little bit harsh... I have nothing against Hillary supporters, note I said PUMA members, which is hardly lumping all Hillary supporters together...
That said, I must admit, PUMA has me totally baffled, and that was honestly a confounded attempt to understand where these people are coming from... It just doesn't make any sense... I mean no disrespect, and do not mean to imply that race is the primary issue here, maybe only that none of the rationales I've seen make any sense...
This election has too much at stake, so it just seems rather selfish, and irresponsible to vote against your democratic values when so much is at stake... Hillary Clinton understands that this election is not about Obama or McCain or her... This is bigger than the candidates, and bigger than small politics, it's about the welfare of our country and people, the economy, the environment, and foreign relations, people's lives. She is fully in support of Obama, so it's only a handful of people who are acting alone to try to bring down the country, about progress... This is about issues, not about persons...
Yo who stayed up to watch Michelle tonight? Damn girl!
Suck on that Sean Hannity!
HRC supporters voting for McDouche, if he wins, can explain to their daughters, nieces, granddaughters, sisters and any other women, why Roe was overturned. If Obama does lose, 2012 better not find any HRC canvassers on my doorstep, they get rotten eggs and the gasface.
There are a lot of reasons not to vote for McCain but fear of him overturning Roe isn't one of them. I guarantee he won't do it. Having Roe around has been nothing but a boon to the republican party.
2 judges will be nominated by McCracker in his first term.
Do you seriously think the republican party leadership would let him nominate any judge who would even think about overturning Roe? If the republicans "win" the abortion issue think of all the votes and donations this issue consistently brings to the party that would be put on thin ice.
"I'd rather vote Neo-fascist, err Republican, than vote for Obama!" -ubiquitous bitter HRC supporter. I like HRC a lot, and she didn't get a fair shake, but these people need to get their shit together.
beta - being a racist is not how we're going to end racism
We need affordable Health insurance, a commitment to sustainable energy, a government more in line with Australia, Germany, Spain and Britain on social and environmental issues. This country cannot take another 4 years of George Bush and John McCain.
The republican arguments are all a toxic distraction...
?
The whole election is pretty clear. Clinton is upset because there was no restoration. The Republicans are trying to make a tempest of this. Meanwhile the Republican attack machine is trying to make the campaign all about Obama. The hipster doofus pictured above continues the "celebrity" theme.
Whatever. McCain was a big celebrity himself like on the Saturday NIght Live skit where he plays the creepy husband:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lhomInJ7Pc
The country desperately needs a new direction internationally and at home. It would be good to see Austin Goolsbee's and Samantha Power's influence in the economy and Iraq.
"no way, no how, no McCain!" Hillary Clinton
brilliant!
Perhaps Clinton supporters are too dumb to understand what racism means?
At a meeting of the Democratic women’s caucus Tuesday, 74-year-old Carol Anderson of Vancouver, Wash., a former Hillary volunteer, stood in the back of the room in a Hillary T-shirt and hat signed by Hillary and “Nobama” button and booed every time any of the women speakers mentioned Obama’s name.
She’s voting for McCain and had nothing nice to say about the Obamas. What about the kids, I asked. “Adorable,” she agreed. Well, I said, Michelle raised them.
“I think her mother does,” Anderson shot back, adding: “I wonder if Michelle would give the Queen one of her little knuckle punches?”
Mo Dowd
Then again, a 74 year old white woman would fit the demo. Face it, this is less about women and more about a generation that thinks they're being passed by a younger more "with it" generation, that is sick and tired of letting old fogeys - no offense OF - fuck it up.
Ok, I'll give my response to Ms. Anderson above and all the other Clintonites who now berate Obama instead of moving on (which are not the same as "Clinton supporters", in the large part), and I apologize beforehand for speaking frankly and to the point:
FUCK THEM
And now I'm going to take a large sleeping pill: wake me up the day after the election.
(And Mo Dowd doesn't know movies: she's quoting "Godfather III", the crappy final installement to two preceding masterpieces).
obama just got the nomination!
thanks to hillary, suspending the count or whatever
yay!
Hillary introduced the motion to suspend the roll call and make the nomination via acclimation. Very classy move, IMO.
Thanks, Hillary.
oh she's so classy you betcha!
who's ready for slick willy's speech!?! should be in 1-1/2 to 2 hours i'm tingling all over! followed by our regular joe i'm just biden my time waitin' for this oh god the best week of my life (until tomorrow when, you know, the One speaks!)!
obama's temple he's so progressive!
Free Ramos,
You're kind of a sarcastic dick, aren't you? In real life too?
Just noticed.......
Obamas campaign is so pomo its ridiculous.
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