I find it irasional that any house shuld float ,esp. when you emagine how weak a vessel , all houses are; starting to build houses that will float wull anyway ask a compleat rethinking of the intire industrie and for what porpus --- none of today's pointers indicate just beautifull houseboats, most are overpacked ,share an impossible stability curve, would proberly kill hundreds of people case it was allowed to rage thru the waters ,in fact impossible to maneage and when left on dry land, impossible to move , things you already shuld know.
I am more concerned from what these future designs may be assembled from, if new Eco friendly and cheaper materials will be develobed for just that, not for floating houses, but for a new architecture, --- please allow me to experss this issue with these words, and these ;
"Remember that this is also just a framework, for further development, keep in mind that this is the basic idea, what I show must be simple as the whole attitude are so different from the traditional structural thinking, still, it reveals a relevant answer, a direct link from projecting to producing the individual building element and it does not fight, but shape itself under the demands of other building components, - the standard window frames will not ask altering, you can place a traditional huge steel profile in the center of the structure, it will just shape around and even lock the profile in place. When you place the engine in the engine room, the foundations will shape exactly around the engine foundations, when you add a tank the framework shape around and support it, this framework work in maxi and micro size it work with many other structures than just those of buildings, the limitations are only in your mind and the manufacturing is digitally controlled."
And please let me asure you, --- I lived on houseboats for 30 years, this is not the future houseboats are not the solution ,a new architecture perhaps, that allow the craftsmanship again enter the industrie, a houseboat are more trouble than you think, and not just an easy life not at all, sorry but I realy find it more relevant to think in real solutions that may consider experience, and mine say that a houseboat also will be more expensive unless ofcaurse the design is crap.
thats exactly what i would propose for houses of the future
crappily built houseboats... they would be available in a variety of colors and patterns... perhaps the craftsman could be involved in the applying of the decals
I don't think so, if it then just was house boats, not ugly boxes placed ontop silli floatations means , a clumpsy design and a huge volume ,you can't even emagine the povers of such over expensive design, --- in limited numbers and with a bit more care about the design I agrea them a place, but houseboats are not the answer to further develobment either in manufactoring or arcitecture , it's a niche sadly modern times did not bring acturly beauty houses in that respect ; ask anyone passing one of these modern "houseboats" that all cost a farm, no one find them just beautifull. Even you can find beautifull houseboats, but then the caps are on Boat not house.
eh carol ...... like Kahn said to the group of NASA scientists ....If you can imagine what it will look like, then that is what it will not look like. for if you can imagine it now, it is of this time and not of the future.
Now that don't mean that I don't belive in float bridges ; they are smart replacing the need for all the expensive steel to hold it in the air, by a cheap ships hull carrying a road deck with protective sides , made extreemly stable by both form properties and automated stability system, You can emagine huge boat shaped barges that assemble in a line to form a floating bridge, even automated by satelite guidance,
Float bridges can be build for a fraction of what a tradisional bridge cost, be flexible as an assembled bridge moved to where best placed , each module as a seperate stable motorised barge that serve many porpus now please don't emagine it as a road deck and a number of floatation tanks, that will kill the vision and just be a clumpsy solution .
You simply have not read what I say --- the milltary float bridges is exactly what I warn about ; clumpsy design based on floatation tanks instead of a whole ships hull --- there are a hell of difference , now houseboats you will reconise , atleaset over time as a not so innovative solution but float bridges now, why make them clumpsy and useless as the millitary ones , why not as I describe, --- well I also share pictures, just remember how much cheaper than convensional bridges and emagine them as what they realy are ;
Also a different aproach towerds the suggestion for floating houses, --- why not make the road float, bridges like that, acting as shallow water boat hulls, can become very handy , compared floating houses.
Btw I do not think any ships regulations will fight cross framed ships hulls, acturly the more boxwork caused by shipbuilding idears that make a shipshull cheaper and easier to build will not meet resistance in the normal demands for structural integrity of a 3dh structure, --- it's like doubling up the strength of thradisonal shipsbuilding and adding the flexibility that was lost with geometric entities.
Eh --- there was a suggestion about the framework to ;
All you see is accurate down millimeter cut by today's manufactoring, it's just the way to envision a build structure that is different, see no one demanded that sections -- that be frames -- has to follow the tradisional construction planes, in fact there are great advanteages, working outside the tradisional construction planes, an example are 3dh where two planes are more than enough to develob a reliable framework, just by a press of a button.
Gosh! u guys can crap so much around that floating thing.... let me orient it this way. if the concern is about energy issues and a future social setup, is anybody gonna be still thinking obout balsa wood or anything that exists at all?
what is happening to all our nanotechnology and quantum physics? >>>>> next?
You can wrap a 3dh framework cut in thick styrofoam with fibers, cover that with a resin, and you will have the strongest, cheapest box frame framework, ---- pour acetone inside the hardened shell forming a tubework you can't emagine, incapsulating strength members make it reach the sky, drain out the liquid of acetone soluted styrofoam and there even be within structure volums.
sorry! but which nationality do u belong to.... i wonder what u find so difficult to follow.... do u read only victorian english? gosh how do u survive?!
There are new science that emagine the earth's textonic plates in a fluid, this fluid as water, water interacting with various basic minerals everything seem to indicate, that if all the ice melt nothing realy will happen. maybe more earthquakes but then, then I guess we shuld start building stronger houses.
i believe it may be a good idea to try to "conquor the elements" in the order of density. solid - pretty well mastered. liquid - getting there, i.e. houseboats. gas - very little has been done, though i've heard a rumor about a boutique hotel in outer space.
therefore, the exploration of materials with a density lighter than water seems like a good place to start. per's styrofoam idea seems like it's got some potential. i'm just throwing my balsa wood idea out there, knowing it's got some problems, but still a possibility.
Now if the water will not raise it still become a major issue, that water will occupy more of the energy transforming ,then it could be interesting, what is acturly inside the earth, maybe it is what can ensure we get into the space, maybe just the science encountered will provide enough technikes, --- but not as long as we think that inside the earth, there are not one but two iron cores , Earthquakes can just aswell be the earth expanding, due to matter created round the perimeter, of the in earth encapsulated plasma bubble. 3dh is perfect for space structures, but that's another angle, as there the nano proberly are more proven to build the frameworks in space one function robots shuld be the only nessery, to prepare some place to live on a distant planet , maybe not for long, then long enough to earn a mountain of money.
Just everyone understand ; the earth expand, that create earthquakes, the ice melt but the earth become bigger --- now would the waters raise in that situation?
The craks between the textonic plates, don't they rather indicate that the earth are acturly expanding, who on earth speculated that there was two types of craks between textonic plates M those we can reconise as that in the middle of the atlantic, and then those we can't see, those boldly lifting the mountains as an enormous pover while the plates move nonsense, the hydrolics can move mountains not motions that in themself indicate exactly creation of matter , what else shuld force the textonic plates to move anyhow ????
There are several very interesting speculations about future housing and buildings in the book "5 Regions of the Future". Aerogel (an artcile was posted in the news recently) is an extremely efficient insulator; carbon fiber frames with integrated windows could be "grown" out of algae ponds (related article), and the systems could conduct electricity, collect solar energy, and even act as information processors.
Another section of the book discusses the possibility of mining materials from asteroids for building megastructures on earth and in space. very sci-fi.
Also, I think the Fab Tree Hab fits into this dicussion (co-designed by Javier)
All of this seems way beyond 2030 I guess, probably much further into the future. If you look at where we were in 1977 compared with now in 2007 in terms of building technologies, things have only slightly changed. Most houses in the US are built using stick frame construction, in europe and japan they're using concrete and brick, and many other parts of the world its a concrete frame with clay block infill. This will probably continue as long as wood, clay, and rock/cement/water are abundant resources. The market and public perception have to totally change to see a real shift.
as for floating houses, its not a new technology, but at LSU there some students and professors testing applications for hurricane/flood-prone areas such as New Orleans. read here
For more immediately available technologies, read the World Changing book. Its full of great examples of systems, products, and ideas that can and will be incorporated into future housing - materially, structurally, socially, ecologically, and technologically.
also, we are very close to being able to print houses.
houses of the future
what wud houses by the year 2030 be like?
they "would" float
what 'will' houses be in 2040?
you need some majer spell checkin
do u mean the earth wud have only water? where r the rest of the buildings?
sorry! 'would'....'would'
i bet the typical house in 2030 will look something like this:
but with newer kitchen appliances!
or, as cadalyst mentioned:
http://archinect.com/news/article.php?id=62833_0_24_0_C
I find it irasional that any house shuld float ,esp. when you emagine how weak a vessel , all houses are; starting to build houses that will float wull anyway ask a compleat rethinking of the intire industrie and for what porpus --- none of today's pointers indicate just beautifull houseboats, most are overpacked ,share an impossible stability curve, would proberly kill hundreds of people case it was allowed to rage thru the waters ,in fact impossible to maneage and when left on dry land, impossible to move , things you already shuld know.
I am more concerned from what these future designs may be assembled from, if new Eco friendly and cheaper materials will be develobed for just that, not for floating houses, but for a new architecture, --- please allow me to experss this issue with these words, and these ;
"Remember that this is also just a framework, for further development, keep in mind that this is the basic idea, what I show must be simple as the whole attitude are so different from the traditional structural thinking, still, it reveals a relevant answer, a direct link from projecting to producing the individual building element and it does not fight, but shape itself under the demands of other building components, - the standard window frames will not ask altering, you can place a traditional huge steel profile in the center of the structure, it will just shape around and even lock the profile in place. When you place the engine in the engine room, the foundations will shape exactly around the engine foundations, when you add a tank the framework shape around and support it, this framework work in maxi and micro size it work with many other structures than just those of buildings, the limitations are only in your mind and the manufacturing is digitally controlled."
no Per... generally im with you.... but you are way way off on this one...
in the future all houses will float
cause the earth will be flooded
end of discussion
And please let me asure you, --- I lived on houseboats for 30 years, this is not the future houseboats are not the solution ,a new architecture perhaps, that allow the craftsmanship again enter the industrie, a houseboat are more trouble than you think, and not just an easy life not at all, sorry but I realy find it more relevant to think in real solutions that may consider experience, and mine say that a houseboat also will be more expensive unless ofcaurse the design is crap.
thats exactly what i would propose for houses of the future
crappily built houseboats... they would be available in a variety of colors and patterns... perhaps the craftsman could be involved in the applying of the decals
I don't think so, if it then just was house boats, not ugly boxes placed ontop silli floatations means , a clumpsy design and a huge volume ,you can't even emagine the povers of such over expensive design, --- in limited numbers and with a bit more care about the design I agrea them a place, but houseboats are not the answer to further develobment either in manufactoring or arcitecture , it's a niche sadly modern times did not bring acturly beauty houses in that respect ; ask anyone passing one of these modern "houseboats" that all cost a farm, no one find them just beautifull. Even you can find beautifull houseboats, but then the caps are on Boat not house.
eh carol ...... like Kahn said to the group of NASA scientists ....If you can imagine what it will look like, then that is what it will not look like. for if you can imagine it now, it is of this time and not of the future.
As I said belive me, I acturly lived in a real houseboat acturly several, for past 30 years, I know the troubles.
Now that don't mean that I don't belive in float bridges ; they are smart replacing the need for all the expensive steel to hold it in the air, by a cheap ships hull carrying a road deck with protective sides , made extreemly stable by both form properties and automated stability system, You can emagine huge boat shaped barges that assemble in a line to form a floating bridge, even automated by satelite guidance,
Float bridges can be build for a fraction of what a tradisional bridge cost, be flexible as an assembled bridge moved to where best placed , each module as a seperate stable motorised barge that serve many porpus now please don't emagine it as a road deck and a number of floatation tanks, that will kill the vision and just be a clumpsy solution .
yeah PC, we have all seen the history channel with the military's floating bridges .... what is your point?
Louisianna has "float" bridges, theyre made with 50g drums. Thats OLD technology.
You simply have not read what I say --- the milltary float bridges is exactly what I warn about ; clumpsy design based on floatation tanks instead of a whole ships hull --- there are a hell of difference , now houseboats you will reconise , atleaset over time as a not so innovative solution but float bridges now, why make them clumpsy and useless as the millitary ones , why not as I describe, --- well I also share pictures, just remember how much cheaper than convensional bridges and emagine them as what they realy are ;
Also a different aproach towerds the suggestion for floating houses, --- why not make the road float, bridges like that, acting as shallow water boat hulls, can become very handy , compared floating houses.
you're over 30 yrs old?
If I remember correctly, Per is 57.
Btw I do not think any ships regulations will fight cross framed ships hulls, acturly the more boxwork caused by shipbuilding idears that make a shipshull cheaper and easier to build will not meet resistance in the normal demands for structural integrity of a 3dh structure, --- it's like doubling up the strength of thradisonal shipsbuilding and adding the flexibility that was lost with geometric entities.
Waterstudio.nl
future floating pods?
Eh --- there was a suggestion about the framework to ;
All you see is accurate down millimeter cut by today's manufactoring, it's just the way to envision a build structure that is different, see no one demanded that sections -- that be frames -- has to follow the tradisional construction planes, in fact there are great advanteages, working outside the tradisional construction planes, an example are 3dh where two planes are more than enough to develob a reliable framework, just by a press of a button.
but per, your never going to get two of every animal in that, the small ones will fall through the holes
per, how is that thing going to float with so many holes in it? i think this is just fancy 3d(h) graphics.
maybe if it were cut from giant sheets of balsa wood it could float, but i doubt it.
mmmmmmmmmmm..... baaaaalsaaaaaaa.....
Gosh! u guys can crap so much around that floating thing.... let me orient it this way. if the concern is about energy issues and a future social setup, is anybody gonna be still thinking obout balsa wood or anything that exists at all?
what is happening to all our nanotechnology and quantum physics? >>>>> next?
i think you're really downplaying the possible role of balsa wood.
You can wrap a 3dh framework cut in thick styrofoam with fibers, cover that with a resin, and you will have the strongest, cheapest box frame framework, ---- pour acetone inside the hardened shell forming a tubework you can't emagine, incapsulating strength members make it reach the sky, drain out the liquid of acetone soluted styrofoam and there even be within structure volums.
leave the water alone... what happens when you invade every element on earth. wat next??? build in air?
carola, ur killN mi w/ ur shortNd wurds.
You've got lots of great ideas, I'm just getting distracted by all the misspellings and abbreviations.
sorry! but which nationality do u belong to.... i wonder what u find so difficult to follow.... do u read only victorian english? gosh how do u survive?!
There are new science that emagine the earth's textonic plates in a fluid, this fluid as water, water interacting with various basic minerals everything seem to indicate, that if all the ice melt nothing realy will happen. maybe more earthquakes but then, then I guess we shuld start building stronger houses.
i believe it may be a good idea to try to "conquor the elements" in the order of density. solid - pretty well mastered. liquid - getting there, i.e. houseboats. gas - very little has been done, though i've heard a rumor about a boutique hotel in outer space.
therefore, the exploration of materials with a density lighter than water seems like a good place to start. per's styrofoam idea seems like it's got some potential. i'm just throwing my balsa wood idea out there, knowing it's got some problems, but still a possibility.
Houses will be 100% sustainable and compliant to AIA standards.
suprised this hasn't shown up in here yet
imagine houses you could switch off and on like an electric appliance, dismantle and carry it around and settle it down where you want to?
Im trying to point out how the idea of demolishing buildings could become a long forgotten thing.
these could be light- weight so that the roof doesnt break your skull during an earthquake.
Now if the water will not raise it still become a major issue, that water will occupy more of the energy transforming ,then it could be interesting, what is acturly inside the earth, maybe it is what can ensure we get into the space, maybe just the science encountered will provide enough technikes, --- but not as long as we think that inside the earth, there are not one but two iron cores , Earthquakes can just aswell be the earth expanding, due to matter created round the perimeter, of the in earth encapsulated plasma bubble. 3dh is perfect for space structures, but that's another angle, as there the nano proberly are more proven to build the frameworks in space one function robots shuld be the only nessery, to prepare some place to live on a distant planet , maybe not for long, then long enough to earn a mountain of money.
Just everyone understand ; the earth expand, that create earthquakes, the ice melt but the earth become bigger --- now would the waters raise in that situation?
The craks between the textonic plates, don't they rather indicate that the earth are acturly expanding, who on earth speculated that there was two types of craks between textonic plates M those we can reconise as that in the middle of the atlantic, and then those we can't see, those boldly lifting the mountains as an enormous pover while the plates move nonsense, the hydrolics can move mountains not motions that in themself indicate exactly creation of matter , what else shuld force the textonic plates to move anyhow ????
There are several very interesting speculations about future housing and buildings in the book "5 Regions of the Future". Aerogel (an artcile was posted in the news recently) is an extremely efficient insulator; carbon fiber frames with integrated windows could be "grown" out of algae ponds (related article), and the systems could conduct electricity, collect solar energy, and even act as information processors.
Another section of the book discusses the possibility of mining materials from asteroids for building megastructures on earth and in space. very sci-fi.
Also, I think the Fab Tree Hab fits into this dicussion (co-designed by Javier)
All of this seems way beyond 2030 I guess, probably much further into the future. If you look at where we were in 1977 compared with now in 2007 in terms of building technologies, things have only slightly changed. Most houses in the US are built using stick frame construction, in europe and japan they're using concrete and brick, and many other parts of the world its a concrete frame with clay block infill. This will probably continue as long as wood, clay, and rock/cement/water are abundant resources. The market and public perception have to totally change to see a real shift.
as for floating houses, its not a new technology, but at LSU there some students and professors testing applications for hurricane/flood-prone areas such as New Orleans. read here
For more immediately available technologies, read the World Changing book. Its full of great examples of systems, products, and ideas that can and will be incorporated into future housing - materially, structurally, socially, ecologically, and technologically.
also, we are very close to being able to print houses.
I would love to see urban vertical farming become a reality in the near future. (more and more)
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