i'm making a model out of medal and need some references for professionals that could weld some pieces together. The model is pretty small (1/8" = 1') and i need a professional office/workshop that specializes in such detailed work.
Thanks in advance
Also as the topic headline suggests, i would like to find an office in nyc, but jersey may be fine as well.
per may be on to something. 1/8" means awfully small pieces. sounds like either a glue/epoxy job or maybe a soldering job. welding might be too....aggressive.
If it must be welded, you will need someone who has access to a TIG machine and has a fair amount of experience using it. Try a metal sculpture school or furniture shop... but be prepared for potential burn marks or metal spatter to clean up.... might be just as much work.
It's probably too small to weld. 1/4 scale is managable, with an oxy rig in the hands of a talented sculptor (Tig would be like making a balsa model with an industrial glue gun). The problem is that if you really size your structural elements, they won't be all that much stronger than wire and epoxy anyway.
If you are trying to make a semiprecious model, you can try casting it in bronze. work with a jeweler rather than a welder though -- they will be able to work much closer to scale.
it doesn't necessarily have to be tig welded, mig will also work unless you are using some exotic metal like titanium, etc...welding aluminum will also require a lot of power, so plan on tig welding it if that's what you will be using. tig will give you more uniform and thinner looking welds (look at the welds on expensive ass bicycles), while a mig weld, and of course this will also depend on the welder's skill, tends to be thicker. regardless of what welding machine you use, you will get some filleted corners that will need to be grinded if you want sharp corners. usually, with a thicker peice of steel (1/8" and up) the edges of the joint can be beveled so that the welds protrudes less, but in your 1/8" scale...a 6" wall will be 1/16" of an inch and beveling that will make the metal extremely thin and has a larger chance of burn through...i would opt for spot welds than continuous welds...continuous welds can also warp the thin metal from too much heat. tig is like a staedler pen while mig is like a sharpie...
Uh, why does everyone assume that the guy doesn't need to weld a 1/8" scale model? He said he needs to weld it, and so far he hasn't gotten any help besides "why don't you use epoxy, etc." Perhaps he is using a sheet material to model a skin...who knows? Its not like he's going to weld together an 1/8" scale space frame.
liebchen..
i mentioned i knew welders in brooklyn...
and the scale is 1/8" inch which would indicate very small pieces..
thus the other possible ideas.
maybe you need to read more of the responses instead of doing
the ever so helpful post of 'why are people being so unhelpful?'
I'm rolling my eyes, but you're right...you did offer that you knew welders in Brooklyn. I'm only suggesting that perhaps it is not a presentation model, maybe it is a concept model, perhaps it is not of a building at all.
well liebchen...tman hasn't chimed back in to explain exactly what
he is making/looking for...but he did say 'that kind of
detailed work' in the original post...so i'm guessing it's an 1/8"
finished model...plus he said it was a model as well.
hey guys...sorry i haven't "chimed" in lately. To verify it is an architectural model and it is of "final" quality. Right now i'm exploring soldering but may need to hire someone to help me if i'm unable to reach the quality i aspire for.
Thanks for all your helpful comments, i may revive this post again in a week if i've given up on doing this myself.
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Hi all,
i'm making a model out of medal and need some references for professionals that could weld some pieces together. The model is pretty small (1/8" = 1') and i need a professional office/workshop that specializes in such detailed work.
Thanks in advance
Also as the topic headline suggests, i would like to find an office in nyc, but jersey may be fine as well.
is it a gold, silver, or bronze medal?
Are you sure epoxy wouldn't do the trick ?
per may be on to something. 1/8" means awfully small pieces. sounds like either a glue/epoxy job or maybe a soldering job. welding might be too....aggressive.
If it must be welded, you will need someone who has access to a TIG machine and has a fair amount of experience using it. Try a metal sculpture school or furniture shop... but be prepared for potential burn marks or metal spatter to clean up.... might be just as much work.
i know a couple welders here in brooklyn..but as others have mentioned
that's pretty small...i could ask my friends what a realistic option
would be.
if its copper i know some guys that would rip it off of you
It's probably too small to weld. 1/4 scale is managable, with an oxy rig in the hands of a talented sculptor (Tig would be like making a balsa model with an industrial glue gun). The problem is that if you really size your structural elements, they won't be all that much stronger than wire and epoxy anyway.
If you are trying to make a semiprecious model, you can try casting it in bronze. work with a jeweler rather than a welder though -- they will be able to work much closer to scale.
it doesn't necessarily have to be tig welded, mig will also work unless you are using some exotic metal like titanium, etc...welding aluminum will also require a lot of power, so plan on tig welding it if that's what you will be using. tig will give you more uniform and thinner looking welds (look at the welds on expensive ass bicycles), while a mig weld, and of course this will also depend on the welder's skill, tends to be thicker. regardless of what welding machine you use, you will get some filleted corners that will need to be grinded if you want sharp corners. usually, with a thicker peice of steel (1/8" and up) the edges of the joint can be beveled so that the welds protrudes less, but in your 1/8" scale...a 6" wall will be 1/16" of an inch and beveling that will make the metal extremely thin and has a larger chance of burn through...i would opt for spot welds than continuous welds...continuous welds can also warp the thin metal from too much heat. tig is like a staedler pen while mig is like a sharpie...
btw...i don't know any welders in nyc
tumbles has a personal welder...mdler
Epoxy actually sounds like a good idea, as others have mentioned above.
I'm beginning to think that any construction error can be fixed with some drilling + anything made by Hilti + epoxy.
And sorry, I don't know any welders in nyc, but I do like the phrase "lay down a weld."
Uh, why does everyone assume that the guy doesn't need to weld a 1/8" scale model? He said he needs to weld it, and so far he hasn't gotten any help besides "why don't you use epoxy, etc." Perhaps he is using a sheet material to model a skin...who knows? Its not like he's going to weld together an 1/8" scale space frame.
Phone book. Sorry.
liebchen..
i mentioned i knew welders in brooklyn...
and the scale is 1/8" inch which would indicate very small pieces..
thus the other possible ideas.
maybe you need to read more of the responses instead of doing
the ever so helpful post of 'why are people being so unhelpful?'
I'm rolling my eyes, but you're right...you did offer that you knew welders in Brooklyn. I'm only suggesting that perhaps it is not a presentation model, maybe it is a concept model, perhaps it is not of a building at all.
i did a brass 1/8" model and brazed it/soldered it together....
with steel.... the heat/welding puddle might be tooo much for the small pieces.....
go for it and then dip it in salt water for about 20 minutes so you can rust it up...
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there we go...brazing...like the sheet metal and autobody guys...
http://www.237am.com/images/large_image_brass1-2.jpg
http://www.237am.com/images/large_image_brass1-3.jpg
theres the links.... i always screw up the img posts bty
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well liebchen...tman hasn't chimed back in to explain exactly what
he is making/looking for...but he did say 'that kind of
detailed work' in the original post...so i'm guessing it's an 1/8"
finished model...plus he said it was a model as well.
Sorry, I didn't mean to come off as a total dick...just a partially.
^drop that 'a'
hey guys...sorry i haven't "chimed" in lately. To verify it is an architectural model and it is of "final" quality. Right now i'm exploring soldering but may need to hire someone to help me if i'm unable to reach the quality i aspire for.
Thanks for all your helpful comments, i may revive this post again in a week if i've given up on doing this myself.
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