let's see if i have this right, seven and lullaby are annoyed they couldn't review someones portfolio? okay, chch, perhaps those are the people with suspicious motives to begin with...hey dolts, i asked to review and help out, but did not get the chance, and i understand why that was the case. for whatm reason would it benefit you to see his/her work? was it because you are stuck trying to develope your portfolio, and needed some "inspiration"? go back into your holes.

I totally accept Chch's rationale, and thanks for the response and apology. Sorry if my post seemed harsh, there are really no hard feelings. And good luck---it seems from other posts that you have some nice work, and like others I'm sure, I was just really interested in seeing it. Your response was frustrating, that's all.

NP--This is the internet!! Information made public should be just that--public. Not sort-of-public, or public-for-my-friends-only, or public-for-the-first-three-but-not-the-next-90--there are other means of communication for this. This is a forum for professionals, not some sort of high-school clique. 30 seconds of anyone's time are valuable, and if you're going to post your stuff, you have to at least consider the possibility that others may be interested!!

...a good thing, by the way :)

hey bs - one thing we all learned in architecture school was how to accept criticism gracefully, which Chch obviously knows how to do. Did you call your critics "dolts" and tell them to "go back into their holes" as a student?? I hope not.

But I'll respond to your questions seriously: No, I am not a prospective applicant looking for inspiration. All that is behind me, and I am now a practicing professional/educator/portfolio reviewer. I wanted to see chch's work because I thought I might have something to contribute. Also, as much fun as it sometimes is to read about hotpants and bunnies and things, we're all here to discuss/share/get feedback on our work, not to bash each other and hurl personal insults.

Well the information wasn't really made public, it was Chch's personal portfolio and its his decision who gets to see it and who doesn't. I understand the argument but it isn't relevant in this situation.

This thread is over. Chch started it for feedback on a portfolio, he got his feedback from a number of people and doesn't need anymore. Respect the fact that he doesn't want to share it anymore and he shouldn't be expected to share it at all. We are done here.

From the Merriam-Webster online dictionary:

"forum: 1 a : the marketplace or public place of an ancient Roman city forming the center of judicial and public business b : a public meeting place for open discussion c : a medium (as a newspaper or online service) of open discussion or expression of ideas"

If you are going to open a forum for the discussion of your portfolio, then post your portfolio for all to see.

And isn't it rather paternalistic to tell us when an open discussion is over?

Chch : I don't want to hurt your feeling like sevenA. As I told you, I think we are in the same boat and hope we could be a classmate. I've worked one of starchitecture office and I applied GSD only like you for my further study.

I am not willing to get any inspiration from yours because the GSD application was way behind. Chch, sevenA and other people probably totally understand the other one's(architect) pride to stick to their own style but accept criticism gracefully.

I just had curiosity and see what's another possible classmate's or competitor's portfolio. and that's why I try to show mine to you as well. Most of archinect people like to crit yours was another reason to see.

I think I am more selfish person rather than you. I learned a lot of things today.

i think chch opened this thread with the words "...i would like some of you..." he/she did not say all of us. i have no problems limiting the review of the work so as to not weed through 1000's of comments, many that probably said the same thing, and manybthat probably could sidetrack and distract from the intent. i think perhaps if anything the limited review only satisfied any internal struggle or satisified the direction chch was going - as has been said 70+ pages of portfolio is a lot and is a lot to change. as for my "method's" i expect as much from a self serving namby pamby educator to claim so sort of moral high ground, when your comments were best served by emailing chch your obvious displeasure with his "rejection" of you as a reviewer. what purpose was served by airing your bruised ego here? purpose, oh yeah, that you are an educator and deserve to be treated better than us common folk. go screw. how is that for high brow? CHch, i applaud you for coming here and taking a chance on us that were fortunate enough to see the work and comment. i no doubt will look forward to your blog here on archinect, where we can all see your future unfold, until then good luck with your applications, and if ever i could help you sort out anything in the future please think of me.

hey spade isn't it paternalistic for you to decide what is relevant for a forum thread, and what should be posted? who made you god?

Now, don't diss namby pambys. :( :( :(

"And isn't it rather paternalistic to tell us when an open discussion is over?"

How is this an open discussion? Archinect is an open forum for discussion, however, you didn't see the portfolio so you are not part of this particular discussion and anything you type in this thread is not relevant to the discussion. Everyone is bitching about not being able to see someones portfolio as if opening a thread to discuss the portfolio is some sort of binding contract to display it. Thats ridiculous.

Exactly, cp. Archinect is an open forum for discussion. This is not an open discussion, since the material in question is not available for discussion. Therefore, perhaps an open forum such as archinect is not the proper venue for a private (or semi-private) discussion.

But then how is someone like Chch to find people to comment? If this were me, I would know off the top of my head half a dozen people I could email to ask for a review from, but someone who's only been here for 80 posts doesn't have those relationships with people here yet.

Just lay off Chch, people. He asked for a little help, he got the help, and has declared himself 'done'. I'm glad you all think so highly of your reviewing skills as to attempt to shove them down someone else's throat, but the guy has every right to say that he's no longer making the portfolio available. I am stumped as to why anyone has a problem with this.

Well, I haven't been privy to seeing mister CHCH portfolio so I'll just judge him as an isolationist dweeb seeking instant internet gratification. This kid clearly has confidence issues if he feels the need to work of starchitects & then hop on their coattails for entry in graduate school. Moreover, this kid doesn't know anyone in person to review his portfolio (especially with all that work experience)?

So here's my advice to the kid:
1- Make some friends in the real world. Architecture is a social business and you can't rely on the internet fro everything.
2- Show some backbone and stand by your work. People don't like your diagrams then tell them to bugger off instead this lame, "oh yes your are right, thanks" An architect needs thick skin and the conviction to believe he's doing it the right way. What happens when someday everybody from the city planning department, to news columnists, nimby's, and sporttalk radio is bitching about your queer looking buiding and you respond, "oh yes, i'll straighten my building. i was just thinking that too. thanks"
3- don't apply to anymore schools this year. you are not ready. work on the two points above and try again next because you definitely ain't getting into my school this year.

nobody in my real world is seeing my portfolio. Many of them (read: those at work), don't even know I'm applying to grad school. I'm sure Chch has his reasons. Hell, online criticism might even be better, since obviously nobody's worried about hurting your feelings!!!

... and the bombastically aggressive, heterosexist troll award goes to hocus.pocus. Good choice for your very first contribution to the forums. Hi!

There were plenty of instances where Chch *did* stand by his work/decisions. Sometimes he simply explained why he did certain things when it wasn't clear, and sometimes he recognized/accepted criticism in other areas. That is a more positive way of handling things than maintaining an immutable faith in one's own infallibility. Good design is not born out of total insensitivity to others, and there's a difference between being a spineless yes-man and knowing when to consider suggestions/input.

Some people are comfortable sharing these things in varying degrees, and some aren't. Both are valid. I don't see anything weak or inexplicable at all about what Chch did. The fact that he's asked for the input of random archinectors doesn't mean he hasn't received feedback or shown it to people he knows personally. Being on the inside circle and having seen the portfolio in question, I'd say that Chch is most definitely ready for school and most likely will get in somewhere quite nice. :P

Gah...I leave the computer for a few hours and I become the frickin devil!

As others have said, I don't see why some people are getting so wound up by the fact that I didn't provide them with my portfolio. There is a very clear difference beween a public discussion and a public document. My portfolio is in no way a public document and neither has it ever been. As namby says, this is a public discussion with plenty of general advice that can help you anyway. The fact that I choose to draw a line in the distribution of my own work should not be an indult to anyone.

Yes - I asked for advice, but if you were prepared to spare a good half hour looking over my 70+ page document, then you shouldn't consider the 30 seconds it takes to read a perfectly polite apology a waste of your time. If anything, I just gave you 29 and a half minutes of you life back. Do something with it other than attacking me on a forum.


And this leads me on to another very good point by betadinesutures - why are you (those who are complaining) coming on here to voice your dissatisfaction? This kind of behavior leads me to reluctantly conclude that this is, in fact, more about your bruised ego than my 'rejection' of your offer. SevenA for example - now I have no hard feelings towards you either - but it seems to me that you are priding yourself and your potential critique of my portfolio on the fact that you are a professional. However, your decision to post private - or at least personal - qualms on a forum that you seem only too interested in touting as public does far from exude professionalism to me.

Lullaby - your reasons for complaint, however, seem fine. I can completely understand your dissapointment given that we are in similar circumstances. And I do hope you didn't see my refusal to send the url as a move of arrogance. It was simply down to getting a much larger audience than I had anticipated.
This is a point I can't emphasise enough. This.was.nothing.personal. Please, all those who are upset about not recieving the URL (and that is a tiny, tiny section - almost all of the people I had to do this to were entirely gracious and understanding... I thank them all for that) - please realise that situations change. I have been called naive for not realising the number of responses I would get - I probably was. But to use part of samspade's definition of a forum as a public square for discussion - imagine starting a speech to 15 people in this place then having thousands more crowd in half way through. You might think twice about continuing, simply because you were not prepared for such a different scale of audience. Simply because I was prepared to share it with a few does not mean that my portfolio becomes public property to which your right to read it outweights my right to privacy.

Now, hocus.pocus - you seem to have the wrong guy here. I am absolutely confident in my work. However, I do acknowledge the line between confidence and arrogance. Accepting the suggestions of others is not a sign of weakness, and if you consider this to be the case then it would seem you are a lot more isolationist than me.
I have never felt the "need to work off starchitects & then hop on their coattails for entry into graduate school". Working for starchitects is what you make of it and, while I'm sure there are a few people purely seduced my the brand name alone, I had very specific reasons for working for the firms that I have - famous or otherwise.

To address your 3 points:
1 - I have friends in both real and virtual worlds, thanks. And, to be honest, I don't think I'll be taking any social pointers from you.
2 - I've addressed the main point above, but the fact that you're slipping into homoerotic terms to describe a building means that you've either been reading too much freud and lacan recently or you're a bit of a biggot and not worth responding to anyway. I'm drawn to the latter.
3- I don't thi-- actually, see the point above.

lets see if I understand the situation:

sevenA has made 8 posts total to this forum and wants to earn respect by being rude to somebody with ten times the amount of posts...

lullaby has only attempted 5 posts to date and is already establishing themselves a whiner.

samspade = 2 posts = is already hated by the rest of archinect. Way to go sam!

for those newbies tuning in, it takes some effort to be part of archinect. If you give, you shall get in return... there is a difference between being sarcastic, ironic, snarky, snippy, or clever, and just being rude. if you can't parse the difference between these modes of expression - then piss off and go find somebody else's air to pollute.





confidential to ChCh- no need to apologize, though that may be the british custom. You've been very open and receptive to the offered review of your portfolio - that shows maturity and intelligence that some posters seem to lack. So don't lower yourself to their level. Thank you for sharing, as many points about typography, graphics, and portfolio content are good advice for all aspiring folio makers out there (even without seeing the original layouts).

Seriously guys, consider this my last and final post. I didn't realize Archinect was some sort of club, where the number of posts you make increases in any way your authority, and where being liked or hated is some sort of meaningful barometer. I'm sure I'll see you around. Thanks very much for the intelligent discussion, and good luck to you all!

bu bye!

we're not a club, but a co-op and society where each member earns the respect of the other members by contributing to the discussions with intelligence, humor, and knowledge.

Ah, the classic "goodbye, cruel internet forum" post. $20 says he'll come back. They always do.

Thanks, Barry, I think I can live without your respect or love. Your posts confirm the general truth that people who speak of "co-ops and societies" are prone to mob mentality and mob violence.

Besides, remember that on Archinect you don't know who I am. In the real world, I could be your coworker or even someone whose work and ideas you otherwise do respect. Keep your online fantasy co-op to yourself.

co-op, i like that.

Sam - that is why I'm here as myself. So I may be a sentimental utopianist, but mob violence? puh-lease.... So if you really want to be respected - which from your posts, you seem to crave (is there something in your childhood that you need to share with us?), show some intelligence and wit.

the odds are that you have never met me and that we never will.

i am always fond of the pseudo-lurker shit stirrers that either read and contribute nothing, or post under a pseudo-pseudonym in order to spare their other name the indignity of being wrong. my what a god complex you have. sam spade would have found the maltese falcon by now.

Wait, a few people standing up for some guy on an internet forum who didn't do anything wrong now constitutes "mob violence?"

That is the most priggish sounding statement I have heard in ages! Damn, and I thought I was a sensitive babycakes.

I'm sitting back, dimming the lights, and getting some popcorn to watch this one go down :)

snowboarding was great today.

lets all be pals.

Jason- which mountains did you shred??? If you're still in NM, then did that blizzard in CO, make it all the way down to your part of town?

yeah, the blizzard hit Sandia and Santa Fe with 30 + inches...got 6 more friday night and expect two more storms this next weekend. I only hope the weather can keep up the nice conditions.

somebody posted this before.. thought it was prime opportunity to bring it back.

http://gprime.net/video.php/reallifevsinternet

seriously, nambypambics.. you want to share some of that popcorn?

sam spade vs barry lehrman


columbia hands down, and good luck chch

my fortune for yesterday said this;

whoever said life isn't fair was cheating.

thank you excite.

i love it when a discussion devolves into a debate about the appropriate use of archinect.

as if the rules at archinect are different from the rules of normal interaction among people.

as if their aren't degrees of private, semi-private, and public that can be observed in these discussions just like in any other sphere of life.

wow that exchange above is amazing.

go to bed, spend the next day on a series of trains and buses trying to get over the mountains in a storm, and wattaya find when ye gets back to civerlisation and the internet ?...craziness, jus craziness.

it would be a shame if chch felt this was normal behaviour on this site and scared him off. bloody hell.

respect to chch for starting the thread and taking the comments in the way intended. apologies to same for behavior of a few trolls.

This thread is just to long to read on a Monday....sigh~~~

Don't worry, jump - the amount of useful feedback and nice comments from everyone else far outweighted the comments from the eejits above. Thanks. :)

Steven the first rule of archinect is you don't post about archinect.

oh wait. damn.

You know, it's times like these when I wonder if some of life's greatest feuds weren't just a series of unfortunate misunderstandings. I think the internet, with it's open format and now lightening speeds, is another way to perpetuate these misunderstandings. It's easy to jump on someone's case for a certain transgression that you think they may have committed, but on the other hand, if that someone is new, and they happen to show up on a day where this thread is at the top, and start posting before thinking very clearly, well, apparently they are screwed. Of course it was within Chch's right to tell people to buzz off - indeed, it is within all of our rights to come to his defense - but I'd hate to think that just because someone started off by making some bombastic comments that they are permanently voted off the island.

I, for one, would like to invite any newbies who showed up here to come back, and contribute. Change your name if you want, you can do that, you know, and no one will be the wiser. Also in the future I would suggest just going with it if someone tells you they don't want your opinion. Things will go a lot more smoothly for you.....

em, you are right, i would also note to the noobs that post; to look around - the internet is not new - read a few things, get a sense of the vibe, the spirit of the posts, the humor, the savagery, etc...and then make an informed contribution.

those interior designers did exactly what we thought, they waited for a post they could start ripping on and when we didn't all bow to their wit and wisdom *poof* like Kaiser Souza, they were gone.

what a silly thread this turned out to be

wonderK is totally right though, come back new kids... new kids can be cool kids too ya know...

i have to say, though im sure this thread is dead, that archinect does seem to be devloping a more clique-ish vibe than it used too.

whether that is good or bad, i will not judge

ahhh, I feel much better today. I was a bit of a grouch yesterday...

'noobs' - that's a better term then newbies