Of course no country is perfect and we are all boased towards our homes.
Personally i like cadilacs and burgers, but only in the movies. Don't care much for not affording healthcare despite working, GMO food with pesticide sauce, mass shootings, 5 litre engines that barely move the 3 ton car, lack of public transit, neonazis, trump voters(ok same thing), the debt culture etc.
It all looks good in the movies, but actually being there? No thanks, i'd rather use my bicycle to go home to my small debt free house and cook my own gmo free food. And i'd rather have my kids not die in a school shooting or from a drug overdose. Cheap jeans and stuff aren't worth the trouble, i can always order them on ebay.
It’s ok, you can say ass here. So where does your holiness live then?
Mar 8, 19 8:01 am ·
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x-jla
America can beat your country up. You lose.
Mar 9, 19 12:49 am ·
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x-jla
Florida is really nuts though. We should totally
dump Florida.
Mar 9, 19 12:54 am ·
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randomised
Europe is not a country, you must be from Florida ;) You'd have to find the country first, in order to "beat it up", back2school!
Mar 10, 19 4:39 pm ·
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michaelmantion
Hopefully if Trump Gets re-elected we can get out of the UN and NATO. Get read to speak Russian. Face it you are America's bitch, we fight your war for over 100 years, we constantly send you aid, you bitch and cry and act like you are better. All while living in the house of freedom we built. You offer the world nothing except a cautionary tale of what not to do.
No problem Normi, carry on in your utopian society wherever that is. And you're welcome for the US saving your country wherever that may be, and providing a blanket of military security from Russia, and soon China.
Thanks a lot of valid points in the article. I think the thing that is missing is Europeans have a confidence issue that makes it impossible to accept that Europe sucks. There is a reason why few Americans choose to become european citizens and millions of Europeans are currently trying to become Americans.
The problem with this article is anyone who is open minded has never given any serious thought to living in Europe. Sure we may want to visit or even work there for a couple of years, but we don't want to live there.
So the people who are going to read your article are european snowflakes that can't admit you are right about everything.
Oct 23, 19 4:33 pm ·
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Non Sequitur
Europe > USA by a cubic light-year
Oct 23, 19 5:10 pm ·
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poop876
You are an idiot! So Europeans have a confidence issue to admit Europe sucks, yet they choose to move to the US? You probably never left your county let alone the continental US.
"While the typical American suburban house is about 4000 square feet, the average in Europe is 1300, yet you pay as much if not more."
The average American home is closer to 1300 square feet. In an Expensive area that is large. Are you talking about a 1 million dollar mansion? Or living in Detroit?
That data is fairly meaningless even if it is real. Post the exact URL address source of data. I'm not buying that the average American home is 2,500 square feet. And does that include apartments, condos an town homes? Those are a huge part of the USA housing stock.
In large urban areas with high incomes large houses are far more expensive. A large home starts at $1 million USD. Maybe its half of that in a poor rural area. Or in a poor metro like Detroit Michigan. So yes in the country and places where wages are low there are larger houses.
I am Italian and reading this text made me smile many times, because you understood very very little about Europe and its context. In Europe food might be more expensive because we eat REAL FOOD, not just fast food and junk food, colourful but fake food, water with many different colours and flavours but..NORMAL AND NATURAL WATER! We buy fresh food more often because fresh food is good and healthy, why do you have to store food for a month? In many Us stores there are more chocolate bars or canned food ( also Pasta with cheese that fortunately you will NEVER find in Italy because nobody would buy it) on sale than fruits and vegetables! And this is super strange for us, because food is the most natural thing on earth! You have big cars...okay...here distances are reduced, we just dont need a huge car but a the right size one. Houses? Yours might be bigger but at least in European houses people from the same family still meet eachother and talk to eachother, eat together and look at each other's eyes, in the Usa many people from the same family barely know each other! Ask yourself what you really need in your life, what is important at the end of the day...if money is the answer you should go back to the Usa where money is more important than lives and people. In Europe and in Italy Hospital care, education are free, we have a lot of history...so..try to be more objective. I travelled to the Usa many times, there were many things I appreciated but at the same time many I didnt like at all I felt a general sense of superficiality where appearances are more important that the essence of things. I would never live there, but I would go there again to understand more about it and its culture. the whole world is special some how!
The US saved Europe from the Nazis, so there’s that. Italy is beautiful, but most of Europe is not nearly as culturally diverse as the US. We are a melting pot, so culture is mostly expressed in private around the family functions...while the public realm is for superficial things...
Aug 13, 20 7:37 pm ·
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x-jla
So, just coming to visit you won’t necessarily see the depth as apparently as you do in Europe. I totally understand what you are saying though.
Aug 13, 20 7:39 pm ·
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Jaetten
To be fair, Russia did the the leg work. Without them, even with the US, we may have lost. That’s not to say the US wasn’t a help, they were. It’s just that the enemy had decimated Europe and hope had wained, where without the US, there would have probably been a bad ‘truce’ and a facist superstate.
Aug 15, 20 2:46 am ·
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Jaetten
Russia may have controlled Western Europe as they did Eastern after the war. You never know. It’s a strange thing to imagine alternative scenarios.
Aug 15, 20 2:49 am ·
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Jaetten
Every time I press enter haha... I think the US’ was a bigger help in preventing Russian expansion, more so than the nazi defeat. They had the capacity to fend the US had Russia not been there.
American here and now a Brit living in UK - undeniably Europe is far better that USA.
We believe in science.
We don't eat chlorinated chicken
We have the NHS.
......What the orange blob has done to US will take decades to repair. Getting out of the Paris Accord should bring brought millions to the street. Caging humans and children should have bring millions to the street. Gun deaths and mass shouting should have bring millions to the street. Inequality particularly education in the black community should bring millions to the street.
Trump worries about toilet flushing with 1 person dying every 8 seconds.
I'll go along with that. However I will forcefully argue it is the correct dipping sauce for french fries/ frites/ chips/ whatever you call them locally. The Belgians can't lay claim to much, but at least they'll always have mayonnaise on fries, Eddy Merckx, and waffles.
Sorry x, not gonna beat a classic poutine with some chick-pea and garlic mush.
Aug 16, 20 7:02 pm ·
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archanonymous
NS - I always thought Poutine was like a complete dish, not a dipping sauce for fries? You wouldn't order a bunch of fries and ask for a side of gravy and cheese, right? You just order Poutine.... In my book that makes it not "fries" but a separate and distinct culinary entity.
Listened to a recent NPR story that illustrated Protos post well. Talked about how young people from Europe were flocking to the US because the European Union business environment, and layers of regulations made starting new business or growing them very difficult. Young people everywhere want the good life, and apparently here they feel it's their best chance to achieve that kind of success, through our slightly workaholic business model.
They go because they think you need to be in Silicon Valley to start-up something related to the internet, until they realise they might need medical help, a holiday, maternity or paternity leave, social security, etc. and they come back home
Yep they went in to all of that. They come here because starting a business in the US is far far easier than in a centrally controlled, heavily bureaucratic EU. That's NPR' s report, and finding. They love the EU, by the way.
It's all personal preference. President come, and go here. I wouldn't be basing my moves on a temporary position politician.
Aug 16, 20 7:25 pm ·
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Non Sequitur
That’s just one part of the problem. There is plenty more thats wrong that’s engrained deep.
Aug 16, 20 7:54 pm ·
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Drawn in
Well, there are no perfect places. Every country has its issues. It's all what you make of the place you're in or going to, and right now the US has been a favorite of the millennial age population in the EU. Creating wealth is deemed easier buy many in the US than many other countries.
Even if that were actually true, still not worth it given all the other drawbacks. Creating "wealth" is an odd benchmark to use and ignores a metric shit-ton of missing adequate/reasonable/intelligent benefits.
Good life implies more than business. You can have all the wealth generation culture you want, I'll take mine instead. At least I don't have to allocate money each month to ammunition, hospital bills, or silly gated community HOAs.
Aug 16, 20 9:01 pm ·
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x-jla
Idk non, its far easier to live in most parts of the US than most parts of Europe or Canada.
Aug 17, 20 12:36 am ·
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Non Sequitur
Most parts? I’m willing to meet you halfway on the EU point but not a chance on Canada.
Aug 17, 20 5:58 am ·
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Drawn in
Non s. you don't really have as strong grasp of the US. Most people don't live in gated communities, you don't need to buy ammo, and the health care while expense is still good, and you don't have to wait months and months for surgeries (pre covid of course). I like the back and forth, but reality needs to be part of the discussion. Both the US and EU have pros, and cons.
Aug 17, 20 7:51 am ·
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Non Sequitur
I do have a good grasp of the US tho and I want absolutely none of it.
Aug 17, 20 8:15 am ·
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Drawn in
No not really. Unless you've spent actual time here the things you're commenting on are headline grabbing issues, not actual daily life in America for the vast vast majority of citizens.
Aug 17, 20 8:24 am ·
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Non Sequitur
So you're saying the vast majority of citizens don't need to shell out a fortune for basic health care? That's good to know.
Aug 17, 20 8:39 am ·
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Drawn in
We can go on. about this all day. Yes, we pay more for medical insurance. Yes we have the most innovative medical colleges in the world, yes people from all over the world come here for the most delicate, and difficult surgical procedures. Yes to many issues, and its still a great country, just as the countries in the EU. If you're determined to make this a US sucks thread, I'm out. The topic was young people leaving the EU in large numbers because the EU is a difficult place to start new businesses. You've morphed it into something different. All those folks have weighed the costs, and issues with coming here, and decided it was the right decision for them. The US is right at the top of GDP in the world. We are nation that values hard work, and the rewards of that hard work. The other issues take care of themselves when you succeed in a place that fosters success.
Yeah, keep up those delusions buddy. It's not as great a place as you've convinced yourself it is. M'erica: "we're better because we told you so, fight-us!" is your dumb motto. Shelve it, along with your non-existant and backwards social policies, insulting 2A obsession, and inflated egos. Very happy that border is closed ATM.
Aug 17, 20 11:06 am ·
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Drawn in
Wow. Where do you call home ?
Aug 17, 20 11:16 am ·
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Non Sequitur
North of your precious border. 8-) See the above discussion on the correct accoutrements with french(freedom) fries.
Aug 17, 20 11:25 am ·
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Drawn in
Canada, nice place. Have always enjoyed my visits except in Quebec. The rudest, most arrogant people I've ever encountered anywhere in the world, and we've traveled 3 continents, 2 hemispheres, and all social classes within those geographic locations.
The USA is far more better than Europe.
All things considered, the US is a joke.
Land of the free and home of the brave my a**.
Of course no country is perfect and we are all boased towards our homes.
Personally i like cadilacs and burgers, but only in the movies. Don't care much for not affording healthcare despite working, GMO food with pesticide sauce, mass shootings, 5 litre engines that barely move the 3 ton car, lack of public transit, neonazis, trump voters(ok same thing), the debt culture etc.
It all looks good in the movies, but actually being there? No thanks, i'd rather use my bicycle to go home to my small debt free house and cook my own gmo free food. And i'd rather have my kids not die in a school shooting or from a drug overdose. Cheap jeans and stuff aren't worth the trouble, i can always order them on ebay.
America? No thanks.
You made an account especially for this?
Do ya like corn?
It’s ok, you can say ass here. So where does your holiness live then?
America can beat your country up. You lose.
Florida is really nuts though. We should totally
dump Florida.
Europe is not a country, you must be from Florida ;) You'd have to find the country first, in order to "beat it up", back2school!
Hopefully if Trump Gets re-elected we can get out of the UN and NATO. Get read to speak Russian. Face it you are America's bitch, we fight your war for over 100 years, we constantly send you aid, you bitch and cry and act like you are better. All while living in the house of freedom we built. You offer the world nothing except a cautionary tale of what not to do.
^Wanker.
No problem Normi, carry on in your utopian society wherever that is. And you're welcome for the US saving your country wherever that may be, and providing a blanket of military security from Russia, and soon China.
it's all relative.... there are no absolutes, otherwise Utopia would exist (which then would void its existence...mind fuck).
Anyway... degustibus non disputandum est.
"far more better" ... more better? Nice.
The OP is from USA... so... that checks out.
Thanks a lot of valid points in the article. I think the thing that is missing is Europeans have a confidence issue that makes it impossible to accept that Europe sucks. There is a reason why few Americans choose to become european citizens and millions of Europeans are currently trying to become Americans.
The problem with this article is anyone who is open minded has never given any serious thought to living in Europe. Sure we may want to visit or even work there for a couple of years, but we don't want to live there.
So the people who are going to read your article are european snowflakes that can't admit you are right about everything.
Europe > USA by a cubic light-year
You are an idiot! So Europeans have a confidence issue to admit Europe sucks, yet they choose to move to the US? You probably never left your county let alone the continental US.
first time poster talking about snowflakes ... LOL
This Michael is just some guy who works in a warehouse and spends his free time on the internet. Ignore him.
I bet ya he has a fine collection of red ballcaps.
I kind of like those red caps. It's like someone wearing a sign that lets me know they are stupid and I shouldn't waste my time with them.
Is it the new "Qray" bracelet? That used to be my default warning sign.
Can this thread be locked? It's turned into xenophobe bait & we don't need any more of that.
Agreed.
Where are you getting this tripe:
"While the typical American suburban house is about 4000 square feet, the average in Europe is 1300, yet you pay as much if not more."
The average American home is closer to 1300 square feet. In an Expensive area that is large. Are you talking about a 1 million dollar mansion? Or living in Detroit?
.
That data is fairly meaningless even if it is real. Post the exact URL address source of data. I'm not buying that the average American home is 2,500 square feet. And does that include apartments, condos an town homes? Those are a huge part of the USA housing stock.
In large urban areas with high incomes large houses are far more expensive. A large home starts at $1 million USD. Maybe its half of that in a poor rural area. Or in a poor metro like Detroit Michigan. So yes in the country and places where wages are low there are larger houses.
Image caption shows source: census bureau.
don’t know where you got this from, but like 99% of what you said is not true
I am Italian and reading this text made me smile many times, because you understood very very little about Europe and its context. In Europe food might be more expensive because we eat REAL FOOD, not just fast food and junk food, colourful but fake food, water with many different colours and flavours but..NORMAL AND NATURAL WATER! We buy fresh food more often because fresh food is good and healthy, why do you have to store food for a month? In many Us stores there are more chocolate bars or canned food ( also Pasta with cheese that fortunately you will NEVER find in Italy because nobody would buy it) on sale than fruits and vegetables! And this is super strange for us, because food is the most natural thing on earth! You have big cars...okay...here distances are reduced, we just dont need a huge car but a the right size one. Houses? Yours might be bigger but at least in European houses people from the same family still meet eachother and talk to eachother, eat together and look at each other's eyes, in the Usa many people from the same family barely know each other! Ask yourself what you really need in your life, what is important at the end of the day...if money is the answer you should go back to the Usa where money is more important than lives and people. In Europe and in Italy Hospital care, education are free, we have a lot of history...so..try to be more objective. I travelled to the Usa many times, there were many things I appreciated but at the same time many I didnt like at all I felt a general sense of superficiality where appearances are more important that the essence of things. I would never live there, but I would go there again to understand more about it and its culture. the whole world is special some how!
France is nicer.
you made an account for this?
I sure did.
I knew all this work would pay off one day
Meant giorgia, but good for you ;-)
The US saved Europe from the Nazis, so there’s that. Italy is beautiful, but most of Europe is not nearly as culturally diverse as the US. We are a melting pot, so culture is mostly expressed in private around the family functions...while the public realm is for superficial things...
So, just coming to visit you won’t necessarily see the depth as apparently as you do in Europe. I totally understand what you are saying though.
To be fair, Russia did the the leg work. Without them, even with the US, we may have lost. That’s not to say the US wasn’t a help, they were. It’s just that the enemy had decimated Europe and hope had wained, where without the US, there would have probably been a bad ‘truce’ and a facist superstate.
Russia may have controlled Western Europe as they did Eastern after the war. You never know. It’s a strange thing to imagine alternative scenarios.
Every time I press enter haha... I think the US’ was a bigger help in preventing Russian expansion, more so than the nazi defeat. They had the capacity to fend the US had Russia not been there.
Have you watch “The Man in the High Castle”?
British houses don't blow over in the wind!
You do however have such beautiful uninhabited scenery; go exploring and never see anyone.
Also, FREE public toilets!!!
And they speak English, sort of...
Are you sure you don't mean Oregon? This sounds like my life in Oregon.
Where in Oregon? It's on my "possibles" list.
Anywhere but Klamath Falls (sorry Klamath Falls).
Is that where the sovereign citizens gather?
I'm constantly reading about Astoria, Oregon. That place must be stellar.
Beautiful city but the locals can be a bit over the top.
Currently, just the one eccentric here.
I think the idea that we're far "more better"just proves why we're not.
[inserts clip from The Newsroom - America is not the greatest country in the world]
But they do live real close to the best one tho... like literally below it. Just don’t come over until you get your shit together.
Does that include spelling? Can Canada also spell 'Tyre' correctly? :) :) :)
Nope.
Aucune chance mon ami.
NZ is the best country in the world.
...when you’re white
rando, are you dutch?
yep!
so, before riding your high horse all over this forum, please read a bit about your ancestry. I bet you know most of this history.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/africa/dutch-colonization-wreaked-havoc-from-asia-to-africa/1075570
btw, I don't disagree with your comment.
Just rewatched Whale Rider last weekend, made me feel very nostalgic and sentimental.
American here and now a Brit living in UK - undeniably Europe is far better that USA.
We believe in science.
We don't eat chlorinated chicken
We have the NHS.
......What the orange blob has done to US will take decades to repair. Getting out of the Paris Accord should bring brought millions to the street. Caging humans and children should have bring millions to the street. Gun deaths and mass shouting should have bring millions to the street. Inequality particularly education in the black community should bring millions to the street.
Trump worries about toilet flushing with 1 person dying every 8 seconds.
What a silly question to ask!
I eat sodium chlorinated chicken. It's gross otherwise.
Isn’t that annoying to always having to add chicken to your sodium chloride?
toilet flushes? totally wrong - he was worried about showerhead flow rates!
Chlorine on chicken is better than ketchup on chicken...
Ketchup on chicken is a terrible idea.
And in Europe we put neither ketchup nor chlorine on our chicken.
mayonnaise?
We fuckin’ drown ‘em in that shit...
Mayonnaise is just wrong...
If Mayo is wrong, I don't wanna be right.
^erata, White mayo is wrong, unless it’s mixed wither either curry or hot spices, then it’s fucking delicious.
I'll go along with that. However I will forcefully argue it is the correct dipping sauce for french fries/ frites/ chips/ whatever you call them locally. The Belgians can't lay claim to much, but at least they'll always have mayonnaise on fries, Eddy Merckx, and waffles.
and flavored beer!
fries are best enjoyed with cheese curds and drowned in thick brown gravy. Fight me.
Fries and hummus. Fight me
Sorry x, not gonna beat a classic poutine with some chick-pea and garlic mush.
NS - I always thought Poutine was like a complete dish, not a dipping sauce for fries? You wouldn't order a bunch of fries and ask for a side of gravy and cheese, right? You just order Poutine.... In my book that makes it not "fries" but a separate and distinct culinary entity.
I mean... if they'd only speak English over there like us civilized folk here in America.....
My educated guess is that the Dutch speak better English than some Americans...
https://www.iamsterdam.com/en/business/news-and-insights/news/2019/netherlands-first-place-in-ef-english-proficiency
And I just found this:
Surprised this gem hasn’t made here yet
https://youtu.be/xNzXze5Yza8
#american
#asshole
#douchebag
That's some funny sh*t.....
This one is better.
#fuckgm
#fuckwhiteguys
#fuxkcadillac
https://youtu.be/24VerifhVJk
Listened to a recent NPR story that illustrated Protos post well. Talked about how young people from Europe were flocking to the US because the European Union business environment, and layers of regulations made starting new business or growing them very difficult. Young people everywhere want the good life, and apparently here they feel it's their best chance to achieve that kind of success, through our slightly workaholic business model.
They go because they think you need to be in Silicon Valley to start-up something related to the internet, until they realise they might need medical help, a holiday, maternity or paternity leave, social security, etc. and they come back home
Yep they went in to all of that. They come here because starting a business in the US is far far easier than in a centrally controlled, heavily bureaucratic EU. That's NPR' s report, and finding. They love the EU, by the way.
Still not worth it to have to deal with the other nonsense (healthcare, guns, religion, politics, trump, etc)
It's all personal preference. President come, and go here. I wouldn't be basing my moves on a temporary position politician.
That’s just one part of the problem. There is plenty more thats wrong that’s engrained deep.
Well, there are no perfect places. Every country has its issues. It's all what you make of the place you're in or going to, and right now the US has been a favorite of the millennial age population in the EU. Creating wealth is deemed easier buy many in the US than many other countries.
Even if that were actually true, still not worth it given all the other drawbacks. Creating "wealth" is an odd benchmark to use and ignores a metric shit-ton of missing adequate/reasonable/intelligent benefits.
Creating wealth is the number one thing people in business are trying to do. Nothing odd about that in my opinion.
"Young people everywhere want the good life"
Good life implies more than business. You can have all the wealth generation culture you want, I'll take mine instead. At least I don't have to allocate money each month to ammunition, hospital bills, or silly gated community HOAs.
Idk non, its far easier to live in most parts of the US than most parts of Europe or Canada.
Most parts? I’m willing to meet you halfway on the EU point but not a chance on Canada.
Non s. you don't really have as strong grasp of the US. Most people don't live in gated communities, you don't need to buy ammo, and the health care while expense is still good, and you don't have to wait months and months for surgeries (pre covid of course). I like the back and forth, but reality needs to be part of the discussion. Both the US and EU have pros, and cons.
I do have a good grasp of the US tho and I want absolutely none of it.
No not really. Unless you've spent actual time here the things you're commenting on are headline grabbing issues, not actual daily life in America for the vast vast majority of citizens.
So you're saying the vast majority of citizens don't need to shell out a fortune for basic health care? That's good to know.
We can go on. about this all day. Yes, we pay more for medical insurance. Yes we have the most innovative medical colleges in the world, yes people from all over the world come here for the most delicate, and difficult surgical procedures. Yes to many issues, and its still a great country, just as the countries in the EU. If you're determined to make this a US sucks thread, I'm out. The topic was young people leaving the EU in large numbers because the EU is a difficult place to start new businesses. You've morphed it into something different. All those folks have weighed the costs, and issues with coming here, and decided it was the right decision for them. The US is right at the top of GDP in the world. We are nation that values hard work, and the rewards of that hard work. The other issues take care of themselves when you succeed in a place that fosters success.
Yeah, keep up those delusions buddy. It's not as great a place as you've convinced yourself it is. M'erica: "we're better because we told you so, fight-us!" is your dumb motto. Shelve it, along with your non-existant and backwards social policies, insulting 2A obsession, and inflated egos. Very happy that border is closed ATM.
Wow. Where do you call home ?
North of your precious border. 8-) See the above discussion on the correct accoutrements with french(freedom) fries.
Canada, nice place. Have always enjoyed my visits except in Quebec. The rudest, most arrogant people I've ever encountered anywhere in the world, and we've traveled 3 continents, 2 hemispheres, and all social classes within those geographic locations.
Agree, quebec is the worst.
Damn frenchies.
^Correction, damn Québécois!
As a francophone, I take great offense to be associated with them.
They make the French seem tolerable.
The other issues take care of themselves when you succeed in a place that fosters success.
Maybe for the wealthy, but the rest of American society begs to disagree.
There is no social trickle down.
okay for the love of god!
Europe is better than the USA in some ways, and worse than the US in other ways.
All I see here are obviously biased people arguing about whose country is better like a bunch of god damn School Children! Grow Up!
Why did you drag this dead horse for another beating?
Repeating my request to shut this thread down.
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