I like Koz. I think he's for real - I'm surprised some of you don't seem to know real people like that.
Our spring intern (university co-op I think) just ordered a bunch of fresh juices delivered to the office for everyone on our team (20ish people!). He isn't even here today - left last week. I guess he is thinking ahead... Some people just have a better sense of how work works than others.
OTOH we had a young woman who finally left after a year of being bounced between teams - she seemed great until you actually needed her to do anything. Her daddy was an architect, and she formed her expectations of work based on what it was like working for him...
So here is what I'm battling right now: idealist young disruptors being told over and over again that "That's not how things work" by those who willfully ignore all the accomplishments of the idealist young disruptors to the contrary.
The reason things work the way they work is people are afraid to try something new. And a lot of times those things DON'T work, they just look like they do because they look familiar.
Note: I'm arguing against Uber-style disruption on another thread while I argue FOR a small-scale, local type of disruption here.
I could argue the reasons why, but not without possibly veering into legal issues. Suffice to say if you want to be involved in interesting things, you sometimes have to face difficult things along the way.
Has SCOTUS ruled on gay marriage yet? Off to the news sites...
“The opinion is couched in a style that is as pretentious as its content is egotistic,” Justice Scalia wrote of his colleague’s work. “Of course the opinion’s showy profundities are often profoundly incoherent.” This is coming from a man who publicly stated he believes in demons. I'm not sure he's a valid judge of what is incoherent!
maybe things work the way they work because the people responsible for making the decisions as to how things work are afraid they will lose their position if a new system they don't understand is put in place. in my office there is very little support for helping people do better. if any of you looking for new people want to send me an email....
so the message isn't 'this is the way it works and why,' the message is 'i'm afraid of stepping outside my comfort zone, i'm afraid i will become obsolete if the systems i'm familiar with become obsolete, and i'm afraid my security will collapse if i help an idealist disruptor improve the systems i work with.'
curtkram, yes, you sum up the fears very well. And I see myself on both sides, often, but I'm trying to get better about not being afraid of certain new things.
The reason things work the way they work is people are afraid to try something new.
There are lots of reasons why things work the way they work (and particularly don't work) including economics, law, politics, etc. Understanding these factors is a necessary requirement for effective disruption.
Saying that's not the way things work is dismissive without explanation. This is how it works and why details existing processes, conditions and the reasons for them, providing a basis for analysis and creating the opportunity for intelligent design (ha!).
Disruption for it's own sake is architecture because we can. Disruption based on careful analysis of the failures and shortcomings of an existing system (such as a corrupt regime) is something else entirely.
Not thread related but something that happens nearly every time we propose a non-concrete surface anywhere in the public realm, most recently due to a wood deck platform:
Client (i.e., man): We can't do this because HIGH HEELS. Also, will tap dancers be able to use this surface?
Miles, I agree in spirit, but for some reason I just can't get worked up about "poor doors" beyond hating the nomenclature.
Is it really not fair for people who pay more to get more? The important part of this argument, for me, is the mixing of economic classes that is allowed to happen in the greater city because of the affordable housing requirement. I feel like on the macro scale of the city what matters is proximity, not amenities.
I'm suspicious of myself that my middle class privilege allows me to imagine that I *wouldn't want* to share a lobby with a bunch of snotty rich people, anyway, but I'm still trying to parse this out for myself. In the meantime I keep going back to the idea of equity, not equality: if everyone gets a good address that allows them proximity to jobs, infrastructure, and participation in the cultural vitality of the city, does having a fancy lobby vs. a merely safe and functional one really matter that much?
I'm going to go post this on the news item, so the discussion can happen there instead of on TC.
so, would you say it's ok to extend separate entrances to separate toilets, separate drinking fountains, separate seating sections in a restaurant, separate voting booths?
perhaps the fundamental problem is that they are identifying and separating people by class. once you say this group is different from that group and should have different things because of it, it's a slippery slope.
I could make the jump to the news item, but I won't. My understanding is that including 'affordable' units got the developers certain very valuable benefits regarding what they were allowed to build. If they took those benefits - intended to make the project more inclusive - and then chose to interpret the goals of those benefits liberally in order to gain more exclusivity, they're bending the rules.
I agree that I'm not torn up about separate doors. I *do* get torn up about wealthy folks getting benefits at the expense of less wealthy folks, especially when it happens with the assistance of programs meant to help those less wealthy ones!
wealthy folks getting benefits at the expense of less wealthy folks
Yeah, I'm unambivalent about how much this sucks. That is an interesting and nuanced twist, Steven, but I respect your desire not to wade into the news.
1- poor doors often lead not to poor finishes but substandard ones.
2- the sad problem is that they are already present in (American in this case) architectural history, and we keep ignoring it. I'm not referring to plantations, I'm referring to mansions with two sets of stairs- one for the people we hear stories about, and for everyone else. Go on a house tour, and you'll likely need to ask to see the stairs and you'll be lucky if the docent knows them as more than a shortcut between floors. In the worst cases you can't see the unimportant rooms (read servant quarters) because they have been converted into office or storage space.
Here's another example- think about hotels. When do you see the staff that's not dressed for customer engagement? In the halls, at times in the lobby, but that's about it. We all accept that there are more concierges than housekeeping or maintenance staff- byt we also know that's not the case. Extrapolate that to a place like Vegas- entire streets and tunnels of people you never see.
That's the problem with the poor doors. Poor doors too often lead to poor streets, and people we forget.
From the Indianapolis Business Journal: (The) proposal also leans heavily on the federal EB-5 program, under which foreigners can invest $500,000 to $1 million for up to five years. In return, they qualify for legal permanent residency and a “green card.” The investment must create at least 10 full-time jobs within two years.
So you really can legally buy your way into citizenship? I guess the question is why does this shock me so much?
not like walking into a store and buying a pair of socks, it's a process and it's complicated and regulated. Can't really tell why it shock you so much, it's been in place forever.
Yeah, it shouldn't shock me. Maybe I was knocked for a loop because I read it in an article about a local very wealthy real estate developer who imploded fantastically after being convicted of fraud but is now proposing to make his comeback with an $11 BILLION dollar proposal on a highly contested site downtown. I was already in a state of shock.
Donna, as the author I don't think I even have the ability to turn commenting off; I think that privilege is reserved for the big green head.
It looks like commenting is still available. I'm hesitant to wade into the word vomit to test it at the moment ... I don't want to get it all over me. However, I do appreciate your comments and would gladly engage more if you had more to say. The sad thing is I'm afraid any good comments tend to get drowned out by the word vomit.
is continuing to use the title, having expressed an inability or unwillingness to "work toward licensure" unethical? Particulary in view of a users practice in relation to "exempt" buildings?
Jerome, I think that argument could easily be made. I don't think it's necessarily always intentionally deceptive, but it could be construed that way depending on the specifics of the party.
Speaking of the party, I have tomorrow off and I'm headed to the lake for the 4th, my workday ends right now, woohoo! Happy Fourth of July everyone, and be mindful of shooting off fireworks near combat vets who might have PTSD, and for godssake don't shoot a gun into the air to celebrate, that's just dumb.
Donna,,,,damn girl your loosin your Arizona Heritage....lol...sometime it is good to loose your heritage. I recall all those crazy people wanting to shoot off their guns in the desert on the 4th and at New Years.....wonder how it ever got started. We be lighting Farts on fire her celebrating the 4th. Blast away Folk!
Happy 4th all! Worked a bit yesterday and today. End of June first week of July is our busiest time of the year with all the new medical residents starting. Also, job hunting, ughhhh!
Mr_Wiggin, leave the Pacific NW and Montana, or leave Texas?
Has anyone else noticed a decline in grammar and/or sentence structure from archinect's favorite Assoc. AIA member? I seem to remember his comments, while somewhat unintelligible, were at least understandable from a language point of view. Recent comments of his I've seen have started to slip in the understandable language category. It may also not be that recent, maybe it has always been this way. I probably skim over the majority of what he says and maybe actually only read less than 5% of his comments.
I guess I couldn't imagine anyone ever WANTING to return to Texas, although I'm sure there's a lot of folks out there that love this place to death. Needless to say, I'm not one of them...
I know a few people who would never want to leave Texas. I can't say I understand it. Montana and the PNW on the other hand ... I can understand not wanting to leave. Beautiful country, love every chance I get to visit/pass through.
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IMO - angst recent grad trying to be clever...
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I'm going to bed....wake me up when it is over.
e.e. s.s.d.
I like Koz. I think he's for real - I'm surprised some of you don't seem to know real people like that.
Our spring intern (university co-op I think) just ordered a bunch of fresh juices delivered to the office for everyone on our team (20ish people!). He isn't even here today - left last week. I guess he is thinking ahead... Some people just have a better sense of how work works than others.
OTOH we had a young woman who finally left after a year of being bounced between teams - she seemed great until you actually needed her to do anything. Her daddy was an architect, and she formed her expectations of work based on what it was like working for him...
So here is what I'm battling right now: idealist young disruptors being told over and over again that "That's not how things work" by those who willfully ignore all the accomplishments of the idealist young disruptors to the contrary.
is there a reason things work how they work?
That's not how things work
Wrong message.
This is the way it works and why.
The reason things work the way they work is people are afraid to try something new. And a lot of times those things DON'T work, they just look like they do because they look familiar.
Note: I'm arguing against Uber-style disruption on another thread while I argue FOR a small-scale, local type of disruption here.
I could argue the reasons why, but not without possibly veering into legal issues. Suffice to say if you want to be involved in interesting things, you sometimes have to face difficult things along the way.
Has SCOTUS ruled on gay marriage yet? Off to the news sites...
HAHAHA YES THEY HAVE!!!!! Whooppeeee!!!
“The opinion is couched in a style that is as pretentious as its content is egotistic,” Justice Scalia wrote of his colleague’s work. “Of course the opinion’s showy profundities are often profoundly incoherent.” This is coming from a man who publicly stated he believes in demons. I'm not sure he's a valid judge of what is incoherent!
hahahaha yay!!!!!
of course he believes in demons, he is one of them
sounds like scalia has been having a bad week
maybe things work the way they work because the people responsible for making the decisions as to how things work are afraid they will lose their position if a new system they don't understand is put in place. in my office there is very little support for helping people do better. if any of you looking for new people want to send me an email....
so the message isn't 'this is the way it works and why,' the message is 'i'm afraid of stepping outside my comfort zone, i'm afraid i will become obsolete if the systems i'm familiar with become obsolete, and i'm afraid my security will collapse if i help an idealist disruptor improve the systems i work with.'
curtkram, yes, you sum up the fears very well. And I see myself on both sides, often, but I'm trying to get better about not being afraid of certain new things.
The reason things work the way they work is people are afraid to try something new.
There are lots of reasons why things work the way they work (and particularly don't work) including economics, law, politics, etc. Understanding these factors is a necessary requirement for effective disruption.
Saying that's not the way things work is dismissive without explanation. This is how it works and why details existing processes, conditions and the reasons for them, providing a basis for analysis and creating the opportunity for intelligent design (ha!).
Disruption for it's own sake is architecture because we can. Disruption based on careful analysis of the failures and shortcomings of an existing system (such as a corrupt regime) is something else entirely.
Not thread related but something that happens nearly every time we propose a non-concrete surface anywhere in the public realm, most recently due to a wood deck platform:
Client (i.e., man): We can't do this because HIGH HEELS. Also, will tap dancers be able to use this surface?
*headdesk*
And now for something completely different...
NYC bans the "Poor Door" movement
Linky > http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/29/new-york-poor-door-low-income-tenants-rent
Up next? Tiny houses...
Oh dear. I mean, politically I'm not a socialist though I'm leaning towards it, but I don't personally have a problem with "poor doors".
Oh lordy. Why did I try to discuss licensure with Richard?! It's impossible. I'm going to take a muscle relaxant and watch OITNB.
Poor doors are economic apartheid.
Yet another discussion smothered with Richard's impenetrable word salad of pedantry.
Miles, I agree in spirit, but for some reason I just can't get worked up about "poor doors" beyond hating the nomenclature.
Is it really not fair for people who pay more to get more? The important part of this argument, for me, is the mixing of economic classes that is allowed to happen in the greater city because of the affordable housing requirement. I feel like on the macro scale of the city what matters is proximity, not amenities.
I'm suspicious of myself that my middle class privilege allows me to imagine that I *wouldn't want* to share a lobby with a bunch of snotty rich people, anyway, but I'm still trying to parse this out for myself. In the meantime I keep going back to the idea of equity, not equality: if everyone gets a good address that allows them proximity to jobs, infrastructure, and participation in the cultural vitality of the city, does having a fancy lobby vs. a merely safe and functional one really matter that much?
I'm going to go post this on the news item, so the discussion can happen there instead of on TC.
so, would you say it's ok to extend separate entrances to separate toilets, separate drinking fountains, separate seating sections in a restaurant, separate voting booths?
perhaps the fundamental problem is that they are identifying and separating people by class. once you say this group is different from that group and should have different things because of it, it's a slippery slope.
diversity only among sameness....
I'd rather continue the discussion on the news post.
I could make the jump to the news item, but I won't. My understanding is that including 'affordable' units got the developers certain very valuable benefits regarding what they were allowed to build. If they took those benefits - intended to make the project more inclusive - and then chose to interpret the goals of those benefits liberally in order to gain more exclusivity, they're bending the rules.
I agree that I'm not torn up about separate doors. I *do* get torn up about wealthy folks getting benefits at the expense of less wealthy folks, especially when it happens with the assistance of programs meant to help those less wealthy ones!
wealthy folks getting benefits at the expense of less wealthy folks
Yeah, I'm unambivalent about how much this sucks. That is an interesting and nuanced twist, Steven, but I respect your desire not to wade into the news.
There are 2 problems with poor doors.
1- poor doors often lead not to poor finishes but substandard ones.
2- the sad problem is that they are already present in (American in this case) architectural history, and we keep ignoring it. I'm not referring to plantations, I'm referring to mansions with two sets of stairs- one for the people we hear stories about, and for everyone else. Go on a house tour, and you'll likely need to ask to see the stairs and you'll be lucky if the docent knows them as more than a shortcut between floors. In the worst cases you can't see the unimportant rooms (read servant quarters) because they have been converted into office or storage space.
Here's another example- think about hotels. When do you see the staff that's not dressed for customer engagement? In the halls, at times in the lobby, but that's about it. We all accept that there are more concierges than housekeeping or maintenance staff- byt we also know that's not the case. Extrapolate that to a place like Vegas- entire streets and tunnels of people you never see.
That's the problem with the poor doors. Poor doors too often lead to poor streets, and people we forget.
Marc would you mind reposting that comment on the News article? All good points, and one of the reasons I have come to somewhat despise house museums.
Done.
This is a test.
Interesting. The NCARB blog post discussion thread seems to be messed up, but TC is working fine.
r.b. broke it?
Maybe the author of the blog post turned off comments after the word vomit that landed all over it.
The NCARB punt piece didn't work for me earlier but it is working now.
So I took a muscle relaxant last night for back pain. Today I can hardly stay awake. Mistake.
Wait, really? This is a thing that exists?!?:
From the Indianapolis Business Journal: (The) proposal also leans heavily on the federal EB-5 program, under which foreigners can invest $500,000 to $1 million for up to five years. In return, they qualify for legal permanent residency and a “green card.” The investment must create at least 10 full-time jobs within two years.
So you really can legally buy your way into citizenship? I guess the question is why does this shock me so much?
not like walking into a store and buying a pair of socks, it's a process and it's complicated and regulated. Can't really tell why it shock you so much, it's been in place forever.
http://www.uscis.gov/green-card/green-card-through-job/green-card-through-investment
Yeah, it shouldn't shock me. Maybe I was knocked for a loop because I read it in an article about a local very wealthy real estate developer who imploded fantastically after being convicted of fraud but is now proposing to make his comeback with an $11 BILLION dollar proposal on a highly contested site downtown. I was already in a state of shock.
Donna, as the author I don't think I even have the ability to turn commenting off; I think that privilege is reserved for the big green head.
It looks like commenting is still available. I'm hesitant to wade into the word vomit to test it at the moment ... I don't want to get it all over me. However, I do appreciate your comments and would gladly engage more if you had more to say. The sad thing is I'm afraid any good comments tend to get drowned out by the word vomit.
It does seem the post is still working, but I don't know that there's much more to be said without inviting another tidal wave...
Agreed ...
Two questions:
is the title AIA Associate deceptive?
is continuing to use the title, having expressed an inability or unwillingness to "work toward licensure" unethical? Particulary in view of a users practice in relation to "exempt" buildings?
Jerome, I think that argument could easily be made. I don't think it's necessarily always intentionally deceptive, but it could be construed that way depending on the specifics of the party.
Speaking of the party, I have tomorrow off and I'm headed to the lake for the 4th, my workday ends right now, woohoo! Happy Fourth of July everyone, and be mindful of shooting off fireworks near combat vets who might have PTSD, and for godssake don't shoot a gun into the air to celebrate, that's just dumb.
The question was mostly rhetorical...
I'm visiting Okanagan County this week- hot and dry and the lake is perfect
Donna,,,,damn girl your loosin your Arizona Heritage....lol...sometime it is good to loose your heritage. I recall all those crazy people wanting to shoot off their guns in the desert on the 4th and at New Years.....wonder how it ever got started. We be lighting Farts on fire her celebrating the 4th. Blast away Folk!
Does the AMA sell 'associate' titles?
Health and safety ...
Happy 4th all! Worked a bit yesterday and today. End of June first week of July is our busiest time of the year with all the new medical residents starting. Also, job hunting, ughhhh!
Happy 4th from The Henry Ford & The Detroit Symphony Orchestra
Happy 4th from The Henry Ford & The Detroit Symphony Orchestra
(Video) http://vid1167.photobucket.com/albums/q626/1aausable/Fourth%20of%20July%20055_zpszq1zhr1x.mp4
Just back from my summer vacation in Montana and the Pacific NW , first thing that came to mind after landing in Texas was "Why did I ever leave?"
Mr_Wiggin, leave the Pacific NW and Montana, or leave Texas?
Has anyone else noticed a decline in grammar and/or sentence structure from archinect's favorite Assoc. AIA member? I seem to remember his comments, while somewhat unintelligible, were at least understandable from a language point of view. Recent comments of his I've seen have started to slip in the understandable language category. It may also not be that recent, maybe it has always been this way. I probably skim over the majority of what he says and maybe actually only read less than 5% of his comments.
Good point...
I guess I couldn't imagine anyone ever WANTING to return to Texas, although I'm sure there's a lot of folks out there that love this place to death. Needless to say, I'm not one of them...
I know a few people who would never want to leave Texas. I can't say I understand it. Montana and the PNW on the other hand ... I can understand not wanting to leave. Beautiful country, love every chance I get to visit/pass through.
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