"You can't beat large open space. A loft is a loft."
-JohnProlly
you heard it here, kids. put that one in the architectural textbooks under "bushwick architect with no repect for his own profession."
i said berry, not bedford.
Actually, when you move into a loft, it's open. Mark that in the "architectural textubooks" loft = open space in an old warehouse.
See unlike you and your pretentious high design attitude, I took the time, energy, money and ambition to BUILD
my own space. I have built 3 bedrooms, all utilizing their space in the most efficient manner and suited to my roomate's needs. My room is the product of a lot of sketching, diagramming, programming, modeling and rendering. What I am left with is a design build project that can go in my portfolio and has helped me understand the ciritcal detailing that goes into my work as an architect. Again dude, for being older and wiser you sure know how be presumptious.
Berry is still in the bedford scene. Fucking indie rats and yuppies. Sceenie Teenies throwing beer bottles.
hotsies, pomotrash, are you guys serious,
not all coities are the same, LA IS NOTHING LIKE NY.
Compare LA, Miami, Phoenix, Atlanta, and Vegas if you will
and then Compare NY, Chicago, Boston,
and even that is a stretch
Miami is not like Ny, LA is not like Chicago,
Please kids dont start rumors....
hotsies, pomotrash, are you guys serious,
not all cities are the same, LA IS NOTHING LIKE NY.
Compare LA, Miami, Phoenix, Atlanta, and Vegas if you will
and then Compare NY, Chicago, Boston,
and even that is a stretch
Miami is not like Ny, LA is not like Chicago,
Please kids dont start rumors....
oh and there's nothing more tantalizingly asinine than some cocky "streetwise" white boy braggin' about how he slangs it in the hood. in chicago they used to call those people "statistics."
never said I was "streetwise" and def dont slang in the hood [whatever that means] - prolly not that gully or grimey - but I do know how to use the subway.
Oh and I grew up in Miami and found myself often in the ghettoes.
People treat you like you treat them. That Louisiana kid in Chicago had it coming.
I used to hang out in Carol City and Opalaka, overtown, etc... with the whitest kid you have ever seen (Im a brown hispanic, my friend was the whitest Cuban you'd ever see, we called him "powder") Anyway, we didnt "overact" and found the poeple to be nice, and we had friends in those areas. I lived in Hialeah, a Hispanic ghetto.
We went there because we had friends and never had a problem.
One time I was in the suburbs of Boston, and was actually harrassed with racist shit. Where are you safer the "hood" or the 'burbs? Is all a matter of perspective....
Carlito is either a 35+ yuppie who like to look at hipster saggy ass all day, buy them drinks and hopes to get his tip wet or a trustie with all of the Joy Division's music on Vinyl...
I also have always feel that feeling bad for those that live in he "ghetto" and praising those that live in the 'burb to be stupid as shit.
In both places there is crime, drugs and sex, the only thing that changes is amounts in bank account and skin colors...
i always wondered what would've happened if i'd have moved to moscow like i wanted back in '99. like, would i still be here. i was eating at sbarro pizza in okhotny ryad with my old man and the next day the chechens bombed it. good thing we decided on mcdonald's that day.
new york? hard and expensive? you don't know the half of it.
ok, now, for all you haters that can't stay on topic: get a life / go away
fortunately, am84, whom I know personally (and q, you know him too), is far too intelligent to listen to any of the useless drivel posted by some of you.
for those of you that were genuinely helpful, thanks for representin' the archinect community in a positive manner with your thoughtful insight and experience.
am84, NYC, huh, good for you. actually, if you want a roomie, I may be interested. O-town is fine as a fund-raiser and experience builder, but I too yearn for the "urban experience."
as for the comment above on taking 2 years rather than 1, I agree. If I was taking only one year, I would currently be hustlin to get portfolio etc ready for grad apps, and to be truthful, I've just started settling into life out of school...good luck either way
This is truly helpful everyone, and I greatly appreciate the insights (and sometimes interesting ping pong head butts) everyone has shared from their experiences. I'd like to say I am now more intrigued than ever to experience NY for myself. I will think about it some more tommorow morning as I eat my briosche and sip my cappuccino across from Andrea Palladio's basilica in good ol' Vicenza.
AP, I may take you up on that. stay in touch. You have my email.
Living in Gin - I dont support internet abuse, but $50 bucks says I could stomp your trustie ass without breaking a sweat or the sharpie marker in my pocket.
In 5 years i'll be prolly living in the city with a wife and still be under 30...
I think the two year break makes sense as well, because before you know it, you'll be stressing out with GRE tests, letters of recomendation, transcripts, portfolios, visiting schools, more stress, get a response and in three months out again to school!! _ Take your time and see for yourself the different programs, the blogs will help a lot but visiting the schools for me was priceless.
•west village = safe, convenient, expensive, and way too white (save for the tranny hookers along the west side highway).
•bushwick = sucks. affordable but not safe. inconvenient too, since the L train never runs consistently past the lorimer stop. this translates into long bus rides or expensive cab rides with drivers that are pissed off that you lied and said you lived in "east williamsburg."
•prospect heights = affordable and relatively safe. the library has free wireless internet and the chinese take out joints are cheap and pretty good if you are broke and hungry (which you will be).
•fort greene = awesome. out of my price range now, but i loved it while it lasted. very convenient and totally safe now. very beautiful neighborhood with a real sense of community pride.
•long island city = affordable and convenient. a bit empty at night, which makes me nervous since i am a skinny white guy. seems fine so far.
in five years i hope to be back in la where i promise i will not complain about the weather and cost of rent on an hourly basis.
Sorry am84 but your thread morphed into a discussion about urbanism with a little bit of wannabehomboyshit on the side.
I'm with Ochona- Vicenza is sweet. Nothing like chilling back with a bottle of vino at the Villa Rotunda. Last I was there (97) rents were affordable and since it's only an hour or so from Venice its easy to hop a north bound train for the rest of the continent (tho with Easy Jet why bother).
+q- I've been around enough to know. All cities are the same.
Only the prices differ. It's like amusement parks- Some have a roller coasters, some have a flume, some have a bunch of dip shit bears walking around with hats on- but in the end they're all the same.
At the end of the day it all comes down to the individual and their desires for living.
Donald Judd had it right- he left the city for Marfra because he felt that the NY art scene was stifling. He built himself a sweet studio and never looked back. Likewise Andrea Zittel functions on both coasts (NYC and her desert outpost in Joshua Tree)- They understand that to be urban is a mindset- not a place.
Just to clear the air- I don't dislike NYC as a place, I think like LA it has a lot to offer. What I don't like is the self-rightious attitude that a lot of newbie NYC transplants put up. Give it a rest.
•bushwick = sucks. affordable but not safe. inconvenient too, since the L train never runs consistently past the lorimer stop. this translates into long bus rides or expensive cab rides with drivers that are pissed off that you lied and said you lived in "east williamsburg."
Hmmm seeing as how it's to be expected that every year a train will need repairs... If you move here, get used to it.
As for your other claims, i've never had a problem with Bushwick [off Montrose stop on the L] being unsafe or inconvienient.
But then again, if you are "afraid" of graffiti, shadows, warehouses, Puerto Ricans and indie rats - you might have nightmares for weeks.
I think we've explored every facet of this argument now...
LA = nice weather, saline titties, good surf, good architectural community [if you can afford it], Low Density, Car city, terrible pulic transportation.
Chi-Town = Cold, Good Beer, more dense, great Architectural Community, good public transportation. Da Bears. lou malnati's pizza.
NYC = Cold, Dirty, Dense, Great Architectural Community, Great and Extensive Public Transportation [busrides to Boston and Illadelph are a +], "expensive living".
pomotrash- ignorance can be excused, but having traveled, seen these places and still think their all the same is inexcusable.
NY is the shit, everyone knows it, everyone loves it.
And that shit about MARFA, Judd left after he made his fame in NY. You think that any self-respecting artist strating out will move to the middle of nowhere and wait to be discovered.
Stop the hate, NY is the place you come to make name, have experience. It's the best city in the world.
I have read that the french love paris, the italians love rome, the only that hates it's cosmopolitan is America, Americans hate NY. it must be an irrational feear of culture.
prolly...
you gotta admit though that the 'burg and bushwick
really only have the 'L'...there aren't any other train
choices if you want to get over there..and the L is down
alot...because of all the construction on that line. most
other areas in the nyc area have at least two line choices..
i think you'd agree that the L is one of the worst lines
at the moment...that and the G...but i'm not trying to
hate on the 'burg..i just have had a lot of friends complain
about how difficult it is to get home at times late night.
and the reason many americans hate new york is new yorkers, especially those who came from [insert other place here] and get an instant shot of hubris when they make it six months without getting their arses kicked
and then get jobs at 'provincial' architecture schools only to brag about how great new york is
Is New York the religion? I dont understand people's hate of the truly cosmopolitan. LA and TX are nice but are not the centers of the universe. NY isnt either, but it's closer...
and...
Dont Mess with Texas!!!
"Actually, i'm a North Carolina Native who grew up in the straight edge hardcore scene and spent the summers surfing"
how impressive, a redneck that followed every trend of the late 1990's. did you lift your life story from a "dawson's creek" script? hahahaha!!!! any more cliche's on the horizon? maybe a tribal armband? oversized yankees fitted?
noho= the perfect location, right in the middle of everything within a walking distance. Lots of NYU students but it doesn't matter as long as you don’t hang out on the Bleeker trashy bars.
Awesome sushi (Marumi), great breakfast-bunch places like Cafe Henri, Cafe Gitane (Mott street, 5 minute walk towards nolita)
1492 Spanish restaurant, awesome Clinton Street. (East Village)
All this places are within walking distance from a central location such a noho.
**This year moved to Brooklyn to give it a try, so far we like it but I bike frequently to my beloved old neighborhood ;)**
"Living in Gin - I dont support internet abuse, but $50 bucks says I could stomp your trustie ass without breaking a sweat or the sharpie marker in my pocket.
In 5 years i'll be prolly living in the city with a wife and still be under 30..."
Get a grip, dude. I was walking through the middle of Cabrini-Green everyday on my lunch break when your mommy was giving you rides to soccer practice.
well by the makes of your conversations, I could have mistaken you for a 20-something. I hope by the time i'm your age, i'm not frequenting a website to try to clown on young architects. Dink.
Moving to NYC?
-JohnProlly
you heard it here, kids. put that one in the architectural textbooks under "bushwick architect with no repect for his own profession."
i said berry, not bedford.
Actually, when you move into a loft, it's open. Mark that in the "architectural textubooks" loft = open space in an old warehouse.
See unlike you and your pretentious high design attitude, I took the time, energy, money and ambition to BUILD my own space. I have built 3 bedrooms, all utilizing their space in the most efficient manner and suited to my roomate's needs. My room is the product of a lot of sketching, diagramming, programming, modeling and rendering. What I am left with is a design build project that can go in my portfolio and has helped me understand the ciritcal detailing that goes into my work as an architect. Again dude, for being older and wiser you sure know how be presumptious.
Berry is still in the bedford scene. Fucking indie rats and yuppies. Sceenie Teenies throwing beer bottles.
Give me my union pool and duvel.
hotsies, pomotrash, are you guys serious,
not all coities are the same, LA IS NOTHING LIKE NY.
Compare LA, Miami, Phoenix, Atlanta, and Vegas if you will
and then Compare NY, Chicago, Boston,
and even that is a stretch
Miami is not like Ny, LA is not like Chicago,
Please kids dont start rumors....
hotsies, pomotrash, are you guys serious,
not all cities are the same, LA IS NOTHING LIKE NY.
Compare LA, Miami, Phoenix, Atlanta, and Vegas if you will
and then Compare NY, Chicago, Boston,
and even that is a stretch
Miami is not like Ny, LA is not like Chicago,
Please kids dont start rumors....
never said I was "streetwise" and def dont slang in the hood [whatever that means] - prolly not that gully or grimey - but I do know how to use the subway.
+q - thanks. These guys are really flailing their arms to keep from drowning
dude, didn't mean you -- but coming as it did after some slighting i can see your defensiveness.
and i have no idea what it means either -- but i have enough brains to not say it on the dan ryan train at 12.30 in the morning.
I heard Mott Haven's looking up these days, whatever that means.
Seriously though, Carlito, what are you paying for your Williamsburg condo, which is a whole block from Bedford?
yeah - There are many parts of Chi - town I wouldnt go to.
Oh and I grew up in Miami and found myself often in the ghettoes.
People treat you like you treat them. That Louisiana kid in Chicago had it coming.
I used to hang out in Carol City and Opalaka, overtown, etc... with the whitest kid you have ever seen (Im a brown hispanic, my friend was the whitest Cuban you'd ever see, we called him "powder") Anyway, we didnt "overact" and found the poeple to be nice, and we had friends in those areas. I lived in Hialeah, a Hispanic ghetto.
We went there because we had friends and never had a problem.
One time I was in the suburbs of Boston, and was actually harrassed with racist shit. Where are you safer the "hood" or the 'burbs? Is all a matter of perspective....
Carlito is either a 35+ yuppie who like to look at hipster saggy ass all day, buy them drinks and hopes to get his tip wet or a trustie with all of the Joy Division's music on Vinyl...
I also have always feel that feeling bad for those that live in he "ghetto" and praising those that live in the 'burb to be stupid as shit.
In both places there is crime, drugs and sex, the only thing that changes is amounts in bank account and skin colors...
after all this i wonder if you're moving to nueva york after all, am84!
Prolly... I mean for nothing else... try it for a year. If you are still VD free and debt free - stay for longer.
Here try this:
Pretend you're at a party and say:
1) "Yeah, I lived in New York for while. I was cool, but I had to get out."
2) "No, I've never been to [insert place here]. I was going to move to New York, but I don't know. I heard it's really hard and expensive."
"I was cool ." ha ha
i always wondered what would've happened if i'd have moved to moscow like i wanted back in '99. like, would i still be here. i was eating at sbarro pizza in okhotny ryad with my old man and the next day the chechens bombed it. good thing we decided on mcdonald's that day.
new york? hard and expensive? you don't know the half of it.
word is bond, ochona...
Almost sounds like people are talking about Baghdad.
I wasn't really saying it was hard and expensive, I was just ... oh forget it.
ya, that was a funny typo...it was a typo, right? j/k...
ok, now, for all you haters that can't stay on topic: get a life / go away
fortunately, am84, whom I know personally (and q, you know him too), is far too intelligent to listen to any of the useless drivel posted by some of you.
for those of you that were genuinely helpful, thanks for representin' the archinect community in a positive manner with your thoughtful insight and experience.
am84, NYC, huh, good for you. actually, if you want a roomie, I may be interested. O-town is fine as a fund-raiser and experience builder, but I too yearn for the "urban experience."
as for the comment above on taking 2 years rather than 1, I agree. If I was taking only one year, I would currently be hustlin to get portfolio etc ready for grad apps, and to be truthful, I've just started settling into life out of school...good luck either way
Wow....ummm....I didn't expect to get this many replies.
This is truly helpful everyone, and I greatly appreciate the insights (and sometimes interesting ping pong head butts) everyone has shared from their experiences. I'd like to say I am now more intrigued than ever to experience NY for myself. I will think about it some more tommorow morning as I eat my briosche and sip my cappuccino across from Andrea Palladio's basilica in good ol' Vicenza.
AP, I may take you up on that. stay in touch. You have my email.
pah pah prolly eh pah prolly
mosdef...say hi to Franca for me...peace
718 GAIN SOME WEIGHTTTTTTTTTTTT
$50 says JohnProlly is living in New Jersey and driving an SUV in five years.
stay in vicenza -- the coffee is much better and the vespas are cheaper.
Living in Gin - I dont support internet abuse, but $50 bucks says I could stomp your trustie ass without breaking a sweat or the sharpie marker in my pocket.
In 5 years i'll be prolly living in the city with a wife and still be under 30...
I think the two year break makes sense as well, because before you know it, you'll be stressing out with GRE tests, letters of recomendation, transcripts, portfolios, visiting schools, more stress, get a response and in three months out again to school!! _ Take your time and see for yourself the different programs, the blogs will help a lot but visiting the schools for me was priceless.
my experience over the past two years:
•west village = safe, convenient, expensive, and way too white (save for the tranny hookers along the west side highway).
•bushwick = sucks. affordable but not safe. inconvenient too, since the L train never runs consistently past the lorimer stop. this translates into long bus rides or expensive cab rides with drivers that are pissed off that you lied and said you lived in "east williamsburg."
•prospect heights = affordable and relatively safe. the library has free wireless internet and the chinese take out joints are cheap and pretty good if you are broke and hungry (which you will be).
•fort greene = awesome. out of my price range now, but i loved it while it lasted. very convenient and totally safe now. very beautiful neighborhood with a real sense of community pride.
•long island city = affordable and convenient. a bit empty at night, which makes me nervous since i am a skinny white guy. seems fine so far.
in five years i hope to be back in la where i promise i will not complain about the weather and cost of rent on an hourly basis.
Sorry am84 but your thread morphed into a discussion about urbanism with a little bit of wannabehomboyshit on the side.
I'm with Ochona- Vicenza is sweet. Nothing like chilling back with a bottle of vino at the Villa Rotunda. Last I was there (97) rents were affordable and since it's only an hour or so from Venice its easy to hop a north bound train for the rest of the continent (tho with Easy Jet why bother).
+q- I've been around enough to know. All cities are the same.
Only the prices differ. It's like amusement parks- Some have a roller coasters, some have a flume, some have a bunch of dip shit bears walking around with hats on- but in the end they're all the same.
At the end of the day it all comes down to the individual and their desires for living.
Donald Judd had it right- he left the city for Marfra because he felt that the NY art scene was stifling. He built himself a sweet studio and never looked back. Likewise Andrea Zittel functions on both coasts (NYC and her desert outpost in Joshua Tree)- They understand that to be urban is a mindset- not a place.
Just to clear the air- I don't dislike NYC as a place, I think like LA it has a lot to offer. What I don't like is the self-rightious attitude that a lot of newbie NYC transplants put up. Give it a rest.
Hmmm seeing as how it's to be expected that every year a train will need repairs... If you move here, get used to it.
As for your other claims, i've never had a problem with Bushwick [off Montrose stop on the L] being unsafe or inconvienient.
But then again, if you are "afraid" of graffiti, shadows, warehouses, Puerto Ricans and indie rats - you might have nightmares for weeks.
I think we've explored every facet of this argument now...
LA = nice weather, saline titties, good surf, good architectural community [if you can afford it], Low Density, Car city, terrible pulic transportation.
Chi-Town = Cold, Good Beer, more dense, great Architectural Community, good public transportation. Da Bears. lou malnati's pizza.
NYC = Cold, Dirty, Dense, Great Architectural Community, Great and Extensive Public Transportation [busrides to Boston and Illadelph are a +], "expensive living".
Lou Malnati's rocks.
pomotrash- ignorance can be excused, but having traveled, seen these places and still think their all the same is inexcusable.
NY is the shit, everyone knows it, everyone loves it.
And that shit about MARFA, Judd left after he made his fame in NY. You think that any self-respecting artist strating out will move to the middle of nowhere and wait to be discovered.
Stop the hate, NY is the place you come to make name, have experience. It's the best city in the world.
I have read that the french love paris, the italians love rome, the only that hates it's cosmopolitan is America, Americans hate NY. it must be an irrational feear of culture.
prolly...
you gotta admit though that the 'burg and bushwick
really only have the 'L'...there aren't any other train
choices if you want to get over there..and the L is down
alot...because of all the construction on that line. most
other areas in the nyc area have at least two line choices..
i think you'd agree that the L is one of the worst lines
at the moment...that and the G...but i'm not trying to
hate on the 'burg..i just have had a lot of friends complain
about how difficult it is to get home at times late night.
parisians aren't too popular in the provinces
don't know about rome -- italy is so regionalized
and the reason many americans hate new york is new yorkers, especially those who came from [insert other place here] and get an instant shot of hubris when they make it six months without getting their arses kicked
and then get jobs at 'provincial' architecture schools only to brag about how great new york is
we should just have a "new york: yes or no" thread but it's all been discussed here already
playahatah ;)
oh, and a huge YES!!!
yawn.
indeed, on to my rcp. no zeal like the zeal of the convert and g-d bless TX.
Is New York the religion? I dont understand people's hate of the truly cosmopolitan. LA and TX are nice but are not the centers of the universe. NY isnt either, but it's closer...
and...
Dont Mess with Texas!!!
"Actually, i'm a North Carolina Native who grew up in the straight edge hardcore scene and spent the summers surfing"
how impressive, a redneck that followed every trend of the late 1990's. did you lift your life story from a "dawson's creek" script? hahahaha!!!! any more cliche's on the horizon? maybe a tribal armband? oversized yankees fitted?
noho= the perfect location, right in the middle of everything within a walking distance. Lots of NYU students but it doesn't matter as long as you don’t hang out on the Bleeker trashy bars.
Awesome sushi (Marumi), great breakfast-bunch places like Cafe Henri, Cafe Gitane (Mott street, 5 minute walk towards nolita)
1492 Spanish restaurant, awesome Clinton Street. (East Village)
All this places are within walking distance from a central location such a noho.
**This year moved to Brooklyn to give it a try, so far we like it but I bike frequently to my beloved old neighborhood ;)**
and the unraveling deterioration continues.
"Living in Gin - I dont support internet abuse, but $50 bucks says I could stomp your trustie ass without breaking a sweat or the sharpie marker in my pocket.
In 5 years i'll be prolly living in the city with a wife and still be under 30..."
Get a grip, dude. I was walking through the middle of Cabrini-Green everyday on my lunch break when your mommy was giving you rides to soccer practice.
well by the makes of your conversations, I could have mistaken you for a 20-something. I hope by the time i'm your age, i'm not frequenting a website to try to clown on young architects. Dink.
Philip Gentleman... you're so clever. Do you have any more stereotypes? Wow, I bet your girlfriend wets her panties everytime you open your mouth.
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