finish the quote "who make His rain fall on the Just(good people) and the Unjust (bad people).
He is talking to farmer about the attitude of God. god does not with hold his blessings from people simply because they do bad. we need to develope the same attitude.
Hey you at least are familuer with the scripture. He that is nice to know
Pay special attention to the wording and spelling. If you know the Bible,
even a little, you'll find this hilarious! It comes from a Catholic
elementary school test. Kids were asked questions about the old and new
testaments. The following statements about the Bible were written by
children. They have not been retouched nor corrected. (i.e., incorrect
spelling has been left in).
1. In the first book of the bible, Guinessis, God got tired of creating
the world so he took the sabbath off.
2. Adam and Eve were created from an Apple tree. Noah's wife was called
Joan of Ark. Noah built an ark and the animals came on in pears.
3. Lots wife was a pillar of salt during the day, but a ball of fire
during the night.
4. The Jews were a proud people and throughout history they had trouble
with unsympathetic Genitals.
5. Sampson was a strongman who let himself be led astray by a Jezebel
like
Delilah.
6 Samson slayed the Philistines with the axe of the Apostles.
7. Moses led the Jews to the Red sea where they made unleavened bread
which is bread without any ingredients.
8. The Egyptians were all drowned in the dessert, afterwards Moses went
up
to Mount Cyanide to get the ten ammendments.
9. The first commandment was when Eve told Adam to eat the apple.
10. The seventh Commandment is thou shalt not admit adultery.
11. Moses died before he ever reached Canada. Then Joshua led the Hebrews
in the battle of Geritol.
12. The greates miricle in the bible is when Joshua told his son to stand
still and he obeyed him
13. David was a Hebrew king who was skilled at playing the liar. He
fought the Finkelsteins, a race of people who lived in bibical times.
14. Solomon, one of Davids sons, had 300 wives and 700 porcupines.
15. When Mary heard she was the mother of Jesus, she sang the Magna
Carta.
16. When the three wise guys from the east side arrived, they found Jesus
in the manager.
17. Jesus was born because Mary had an immaculate contraption,
18. St. John the blacksmith dumped water on his head.
19. Jesus enunciated the Golden Rule, which says to do unto others before
they do one to you. He also explained, a man doth not live by sweat
alone.
20. It was a miricle when Jesus rose from the dead and managed to get the
tombstone off the entrance.
21. The people who followed the lord were called the 12 decibels.
22. The epistels were the wives of the apostals.
23. One of the oppossums was St. Matthew who was also a taximan.
24. St. Paul cavorted to Christianity, he preached holy acrimony, which
is
another name for marraige.
25. Christians have only one spouse. This is called monotony.
i get it icedragon, you are religious, i get it that instead of looking at yourself when all of these "miracles" happened to you, you credit some false spirit outside of you for working things out for you. but have you ever stop to consider that (for instance) that you have had your job for the last 5 years because you worked your ass off for it? don't you think that when you were cold you sought out the clothes you needed (you know the ones in the box that fell off the back of a truck). i mean why is it that so many people credit some higher being for giving them the strength to get off there ass and work instead of creditiing the rightful person...YOU. for me i knew that i when i graduated high school that i hadn't really worked hard enough to realize my goals, so i joined the army, went to combat...fought through my immaturaty and went to college, and now i am an architect, father and husband....and how did i get that, through the grace of GOD...NO...through my hard work, i get up everyday and work for everything i have.
Side thought, it say in the bible that god created MAN in his own image...so therefore god is man. Hence, man created god.
Has no one every questioned why it was we sought out religion? Why we sought out a god? because we had questions, fears, desires...etc, and instead of truly seeking out the truth we find it easier to give up and put it in someone else’s hands, absolving us of the responsibility of the truth. We believed that the sun rose and fell on the whim of the god’s, that to make the sun rise again we must appease the god’s. We believed that the sun revolved around the earth, and that heaven was in the clouds above. We believed a lot of things until we sought out the truth, until those that were free of the mental corruption would seek out the truth, it is ok to believe in nothing because it let’s you believe in EVERYTHING.
I agree with architorturealist: religion is a human invention.
Logically, if there are a number of religions, and they roughly have the same set of qualities [ie, they all hold there is divinity, that there are earthly and heavenly consequences for actions, and a guiding tome to determine which actions get which consequences] then they are equal. And only idiots pronounce the superiority of their own religion.
Icedragon, I suggest you read some books by Mircea Eliade, particularly The Sacred and the Profane, where you will see some of the early thinking that produced religious thought. Also, have a look at Nietzsche, who in my opninion was the best thing that ever happened to religion. These books may also help with your grammar, which is in dire need of divine intervention.
only a fool would say nietzshe is a good thing. Hitler got many of his ideas for him. "Nietzsche said God is dead." well guess what God is alive and where is Neitzsche?? all you have to do is look at the last 100 years and you can very clearly see, the results of that garbage.
only a fool would say nietzshe is a good thing. Hitler got many of his ideas for him. "Nietzsche said God is dead." well guess what God is alive and where is Neitzsche?? all you have to do is look at the last 100 years and you can very clearly see, the results of that garbage.
Man created God in Man's image. And they say it the other way around! :(
God is the ideal human, the superman. ice dragon - why?
My imagination must be so wild, because God doesn't have to have human qualities such as the Christian God does. God is so much more than what is shown to me thru the Bible.
People say the Bible is God's words? How so, if it was written by man? Aren't we all God' children, therefore Neitzsche's Anti Christ is also God's word? Isn't God interestingly non-human in that regard? That he is all seeing, doing and can have equal and opposite "opinions" simultaneously.
I'm with you, Strawbeary - god is so much more than I/we can possibly imagine, and isn't a he/she deity but a binding force of some sort, and basically is best described as love, however that can be described.
icedragon...all you have to do is look at the 2000 year result of the bible's influence on the earth...let's see, for starters more people have been killed both directly and indirectly in the name of god, and thanks for that manifest destiny crap, i am sure the native americans weren't really attached to there lands...
and where is Neitzsche..well you understand how biology works right? he is worm food like the rest of us soon shall be.
liberty/strawbeary...i wish i could get on board with you on thinking and believing that god is so much more, something higher something greater. but when you attach human understanding to the notion of god you corrupt it, when you attach a moniker of a religion to god you corrupt it...it is the need for humans to corrupt in order to understand things in this world.
"but basically described as love?" that i am not sure i can agree with. for example - you know as a concept communism (here's where i get burned at the stake) was a great notion, that humankind works for the greater good of humans, that in it's purest forms communism could have been the utopian society, now in practice it was one of the greatest evils known to humankind, it controlled and killed because it was corruptable, you can have leaders in a utopia...control corrupts. religion much the same way, we have fought, and are currently fighting wars that contrary to popular belief is over religious ideologies (with a dash of oil to boot) it is a struggle of my god is better than yours (now trust me on this since i am a desert storm combat veteran) they are as much fighting because of capital reasons as they are for religious purpose...corruption, because if religion (ALL religion) were so GOOD, why fight, why have to fight? humans are the only species on the planet that kills for the hell of it...think about it, we make up excuses (like the crusades) to kill. now i know i got off on a slight tangent, and yes diabase my grammer sucks...i typically write in a stream of thought. but my point is that once you introduce humanity in it's most corruptable form into anything you get the worst of things, humanity has several rules for a good and just society to abide by, and when you add the influence of religion into it you get corrupted.
architorturealist, I don't think you've written anything I disagree with. Yes, organized religions corrupt almost every notion of god I feel like I can believe.
to architorturealist and liberty bell: I read once that you have to work as if everything depended upon you, pray as if everything depended upon God.
liberty bell: organised religions ARE corrupt, but that is man's fault, not God's.
systematic religion is corrupt because ultimately it is a man's system.
but i wouldn't therefore assume that everyone who belongs to it as corrupt.
architorturealist: communism failed because it ignored the inherent corruption of man..
once you can deal with that reality, you can move on.. until that point you're just like sisyphus..
religion= social club, about, about, about, abrout, around (center you back to, scales to eyes). sun no light- sleep you. green back land to- sun, sun, sun, grow.
pasha i agree...i didn't want to start making this an overall debate on the failings of communism, more just trying to make a generalization of my point, which is that everything seems to ultimately fail because of the inherant corruption of man.
pasha: you ask "can any human produce such love?" Of course they can... with God's grace... which is always there for the asking. It's in the air, it's everywhere...
yes, it is His grace that gives us that power to love that way.. yet grace is given to the humble..
and to see the definition for humility, you need to look up the Word.
and also to sinners. Above churches should read the sign "Only Sinners Need Enter". It's quite pointless trying to be holier than God. If Jesus were around today he would be hanging around with porn stars and drug addicts, not churchgoers...
well, everyone is a sinner.. whether people realize it or not, that's another issue..(you're right, most churchgoers don't..)
Jesus despised iniquity.. he loved people.. irrespective of their status..
thousands were following him, yet only 12 remained.. and even one of those was of the devil..
most were following to get their stomachs filled, some to get higher knowledge, and few were looking for life..
nothing has changed in 2k years. very few follow him for the right reasons today..
if a drug addict or a porn star are happy and content in the shit that they live in.. what can Jesus do for them?
when he went to his hometown he couldn't help people there, because they rejected him..
but if someone is sick of the slavery of sin.. then yes, there is grace to be freed.. so at the end, there is no excuse..
just because he used such harsh language with the elites, doesn't mean that he hated them, or was some kind of a socialist hero.. they needed to hear that because their hearts were like stones...
the Independence Holiday has been good. always love getting another day off work. It has given me an oppurtunity to think about your question and work on some answeres.
you've asked some good questions. I will answer each one. One at a time.
Question 1
If the bible is inspired why did men write it? VERY GOOD question?
Question 2
all you have to do is look at the 2000 year result of the bible's influence on the earth...let's see, for starters more people have been killed both directly and indirectly in the name of god. NOT EXACTLY. Not sure this is in the form of a question, But good to dicuss.
Question 3
Why did god make us in his image. Good question.
This one will take a while because I have to explain some Pre-earth Issues. So be patient.
I will answere each of these one at at time . Good to be back in in touch.
If the bible is inspired why did men write it? VERY GOOD question?
Question 1
Is the Bible inspired if so how? That is the basis of the question.
Generally there are 3 theories of inspiration
a. The bible is not inspired, but a manufacturing of the human mind. I obviously reject this.
b Verbal inspiration - States that humans were Gods scribes and that God dictated word for word every line of the scripture. Humans were divine secretaries. I do no accept this theory either. There are major problems with this view. This view ignores, blatant statement of opinion, or recommendations, but, it ignore statements of observation made by authors, it also ignores commands from God to write what you see in prophecy and finally it does not deal fairly with the contradictions in scripture. For these reason I reject this view.
c. Thought inspiration - States, the ideas are inspired but the choice the specific words are up to the person. This I more of a dynamic view. I allows God to step in and say “I want this specifically to be said†or in Biblical language “Thus Says the Lordâ€, but it also allows God to say write how you understand it. Revelation is like this. He tells John to “write what you see.†God did not dictate to John exactly what to write. God trusted John to communicate what he saw, when God had and issue with what John was writing he stepped in and said don’t write that for example in the writing of the 7 thunders in revelation he said don’t write that. The rest he left to John.
This allows for opinions and contradictions. Paul writes advice in 1 Corinthians, I believe that is correct, that states “this is my opinion not the Lords†when giving counsel about marriage to a particular situation. This I clearly not inspired He also quotes a passage from the old testament that give an inaccurate number of armies. He says there are 25000 armies and the O.T. Says there are 26000 armies so how do you explain the contradiction? Does this prove the bible is not inspired no? From a historical perspective it may matter, but from a theological perspective it doses not because it dose not change the meaning of the text or change the picture of God, so moot point. That fact that
But how do you explain this? It could be there have been scribal errors, but not likely, the translations of the scripture from 600 BC until today have a whopping 65 errors or changes and none of these are major changes that affect the meaning of the text. It was probably that Paul just wrote it wrong and it has been faithfully copied until this day. So what does that say about the errors? God doesn’t care. It dose not effect our picture of Him.
To understand the inspiration of the Bible Think of “Star Warsâ€. The movies were filmed out of order, 4, 5, 6 then 1, 2, 3. They had many different people over many different years working on them yet they were able to achieve a unified movie. Wow why was this? Was it inspired? No. The reason for the unity was the Director George Lucas was still alive. He Shepherded the Project along from beginning to end. He did not work on every aspect of the project himself but oversaw the big picture and trusted the work to competent trained people. If there was a problem they could consult him. If he had a problem with an aspect of the film he would step in and say no not that, or here do it this way, or I want it like that. Make do doubt that about it that George Lucas influence was on the movie. The same is with God influence on the Bible.
God had been sheaperding the Scripture, His word, since it was first encountered Him. He some times has said write this or say that, some times people have just recorded there experience or recorded others experiences. Some times God say write what you see, or influences the Ideas that people are written about Him. Some times he says don’t write that, but in everything is designed to make His reputation known. That is the purpose of the scripture. I believe that is a satisfactory explanation of how Bible is inspired
Question 2
all you have to do is look at the 2000 year result of the bible's influence on the earth...let's see, for starters more people have been killed both directly and indirectly in the name of god. NOT EXACTLY. Not sure this is in the form of a question, But good to dicuss
Question 2 Answer
Johndevlin; liberty bell: organized religions ARE corrupt, but that is man's fault, not God's. Now you are getting the point, talking some sense. God constantly had to rebuke people in the scripture for this point.
The bible has been around for more then 2000 years, about 4000-6000, 6000 if you take the biblical story of the flood, the scripture that had been written up to that point would have been taken on the ark to survive the flood.
Second the impact of the bible on history has been a positive not a negative. If you are talking about one particular denomination, there is an explanation for that, they did not read and follow the instructions in the Bible. Which brings me to my next point if you don’t read and you follow the instruction given in the bible then it is worthless. People do that all the time. That is the difference religion and spirituality. Spiritual people try to do what God wants and what he has instructed. Religious people don’t necessarily try to do this, they try to impress people, keep up a good image, get power and status etc. Organized religion when it facilitates doing what God wants is a benefit, when it does not do what God wants is a curse.
In the future please elaborate if you are going to make a generalization like that. I think I know what you are getting at but I would like you to say it in specifics, so we can talk about specific situation.
To blame Christianity for the wars of other religions is not valid. To make a sweeping generalization is not fair or honest. If you want to talk about specific wars or situations where people have died in the name of “god’ then ok. That would be a more honest approach.
In the last century sometimes called the “bloodiest century†on record an estimated 100 million people died due to atheistic governments, so it seem that religion or non religion has nothing to do with war. The fact that more people have died in the name of religion is only because atheism is the relative new comer, but man they sure caught up fast, for over 1200 years of the dark ages an estimated 50-100 million people died in religious wars. Atheisms did that in 100 years, pretty scary.
i want to begin by saying that you had been doing so good recently and all with no conversations about headphones "b****in" or Mies "f***in" this or Mies "f***in" that and I really proud of the effort by everyone here. Yes! Every single one of you because it could not be done by any one of you alone.
Unfortunately, we seem to have had a recent relapse. A very serious one too. (I'm speaking in a stern voice now in case you cannot tell) I've notice a number of recent topics with very disturbing discussions such as "Grosse Pointe Devil" and "Interns in Hell" and I now feel the need to redouble my efforts in bringing Christ to archinect!
So with that in mind, let's all begin by retiring early tonight (I'm speaking in normal voice now in case you could not tell) and thinking about Jesus as we drift off in dreamland! This should subconsciously set up tomorrow morning as a glorious start to the new day!
If you'd actually bother to read the bible instead of thumping it, you'd discover that throughout the course of his ministry on earth, Jesus never really gets pissed off until he encounters some sanctimonius, self-righteous jackass completely convinced of their own moral superiority. You know, somebody like you.
From looking at this thread... IT'S TRUE! (2 Timothy 3:12)
...all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.
Now watch:
One's iniquity has separated them from God (Isaiah 59:2; Romans 5:12)
One cannot satisfy God by thier own achievements (Isaiah 64:6)
But it's ok. God wants to rescue everyone! (John 3:17; Isaiah 7:14)
God Loves everyone! (John 3:16)
Jesus is the only way to God (John 14:6)
Belive in the Lord and be saved! (Acts 16:31)
More Good News!
When you come to Him:
One must trust Him as Savior and confess him as Lord. (Romans 10:9; Matthew 10:32-33)
One cannot be taken away! (John 10:29)
Your thinking will change! (Romans 12:2)
God wants repentace from those who call to Him (Acts 17:30)
Jesus will always be with those who call on him (Matthew 28:20)
Jesus will help one from sinning (Jude 1:24)
from our Savior...with love!
well just gose to show you that you don't have to be perfect and god will still love you.
well just gose to show you that you don't have to be perfect and god will still love you.
didn't someone once say, "Be thou perfect, as thy Father in Heaven is perfect"?
finish the quote "who make His rain fall on the Just(good people) and the Unjust (bad people).
He is talking to farmer about the attitude of God. god does not with hold his blessings from people simply because they do bad. we need to develope the same attitude.
Hey you at least are familuer with the scripture. He that is nice to know
Pay special attention to the wording and spelling. If you know the Bible,
even a little, you'll find this hilarious! It comes from a Catholic
elementary school test. Kids were asked questions about the old and new
testaments. The following statements about the Bible were written by
children. They have not been retouched nor corrected. (i.e., incorrect
spelling has been left in).
1. In the first book of the bible, Guinessis, God got tired of creating
the world so he took the sabbath off.
2. Adam and Eve were created from an Apple tree. Noah's wife was called
Joan of Ark. Noah built an ark and the animals came on in pears.
3. Lots wife was a pillar of salt during the day, but a ball of fire
during the night.
4. The Jews were a proud people and throughout history they had trouble
with unsympathetic Genitals.
5. Sampson was a strongman who let himself be led astray by a Jezebel
like
Delilah.
6 Samson slayed the Philistines with the axe of the Apostles.
7. Moses led the Jews to the Red sea where they made unleavened bread
which is bread without any ingredients.
8. The Egyptians were all drowned in the dessert, afterwards Moses went
up
to Mount Cyanide to get the ten ammendments.
9. The first commandment was when Eve told Adam to eat the apple.
10. The seventh Commandment is thou shalt not admit adultery.
11. Moses died before he ever reached Canada. Then Joshua led the Hebrews
in the battle of Geritol.
12. The greates miricle in the bible is when Joshua told his son to stand
still and he obeyed him
13. David was a Hebrew king who was skilled at playing the liar. He
fought the Finkelsteins, a race of people who lived in bibical times.
14. Solomon, one of Davids sons, had 300 wives and 700 porcupines.
15. When Mary heard she was the mother of Jesus, she sang the Magna
Carta.
16. When the three wise guys from the east side arrived, they found Jesus
in the manager.
17. Jesus was born because Mary had an immaculate contraption,
18. St. John the blacksmith dumped water on his head.
19. Jesus enunciated the Golden Rule, which says to do unto others before
they do one to you. He also explained, a man doth not live by sweat
alone.
20. It was a miricle when Jesus rose from the dead and managed to get the
tombstone off the entrance.
21. The people who followed the lord were called the 12 decibels.
22. The epistels were the wives of the apostals.
23. One of the oppossums was St. Matthew who was also a taximan.
24. St. Paul cavorted to Christianity, he preached holy acrimony, which
is
another name for marraige.
25. Christians have only one spouse. This is called monotony.
"10. The seventh Commandment is thou shalt not admit adultery."
priceless john. just priceless.
i get it icedragon, you are religious, i get it that instead of looking at yourself when all of these "miracles" happened to you, you credit some false spirit outside of you for working things out for you. but have you ever stop to consider that (for instance) that you have had your job for the last 5 years because you worked your ass off for it? don't you think that when you were cold you sought out the clothes you needed (you know the ones in the box that fell off the back of a truck). i mean why is it that so many people credit some higher being for giving them the strength to get off there ass and work instead of creditiing the rightful person...YOU. for me i knew that i when i graduated high school that i hadn't really worked hard enough to realize my goals, so i joined the army, went to combat...fought through my immaturaty and went to college, and now i am an architect, father and husband....and how did i get that, through the grace of GOD...NO...through my hard work, i get up everyday and work for everything i have.
Side thought, it say in the bible that god created MAN in his own image...so therefore god is man. Hence, man created god.
Has no one every questioned why it was we sought out religion? Why we sought out a god? because we had questions, fears, desires...etc, and instead of truly seeking out the truth we find it easier to give up and put it in someone else’s hands, absolving us of the responsibility of the truth. We believed that the sun rose and fell on the whim of the god’s, that to make the sun rise again we must appease the god’s. We believed that the sun revolved around the earth, and that heaven was in the clouds above. We believed a lot of things until we sought out the truth, until those that were free of the mental corruption would seek out the truth, it is ok to believe in nothing because it let’s you believe in EVERYTHING.
I agree with architorturealist: religion is a human invention.
Logically, if there are a number of religions, and they roughly have the same set of qualities [ie, they all hold there is divinity, that there are earthly and heavenly consequences for actions, and a guiding tome to determine which actions get which consequences] then they are equal. And only idiots pronounce the superiority of their own religion.
Icedragon, I suggest you read some books by Mircea Eliade, particularly The Sacred and the Profane, where you will see some of the early thinking that produced religious thought. Also, have a look at Nietzsche, who in my opninion was the best thing that ever happened to religion. These books may also help with your grammar, which is in dire need of divine intervention.
only a fool would say nietzshe is a good thing. Hitler got many of his ideas for him. "Nietzsche said God is dead." well guess what God is alive and where is Neitzsche?? all you have to do is look at the last 100 years and you can very clearly see, the results of that garbage.
only a fool would say nietzshe is a good thing. Hitler got many of his ideas for him. "Nietzsche said God is dead." well guess what God is alive and where is Neitzsche?? all you have to do is look at the last 100 years and you can very clearly see, the results of that garbage.
Man created God in Man's image. And they say it the other way around! :(
God is the ideal human, the superman. ice dragon - why?
My imagination must be so wild, because God doesn't have to have human qualities such as the Christian God does. God is so much more than what is shown to me thru the Bible.
People say the Bible is God's words? How so, if it was written by man? Aren't we all God' children, therefore Neitzsche's Anti Christ is also God's word? Isn't God interestingly non-human in that regard? That he is all seeing, doing and can have equal and opposite "opinions" simultaneously.
I'm with you, Strawbeary - god is so much more than I/we can possibly imagine, and isn't a he/she deity but a binding force of some sort, and basically is best described as love, however that can be described.
icedragon: you are either very young, or very naive.
icedragon...all you have to do is look at the 2000 year result of the bible's influence on the earth...let's see, for starters more people have been killed both directly and indirectly in the name of god, and thanks for that manifest destiny crap, i am sure the native americans weren't really attached to there lands...
and where is Neitzsche..well you understand how biology works right? he is worm food like the rest of us soon shall be.
icedragon: don't want to be seen as picking on you but as diabase so wittily says, "your grammar...is in dire need of divine intervention".
Read this in this morning's Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5116836,00.html?gusrc=ticker-103704
liberty/strawbeary...i wish i could get on board with you on thinking and believing that god is so much more, something higher something greater. but when you attach human understanding to the notion of god you corrupt it, when you attach a moniker of a religion to god you corrupt it...it is the need for humans to corrupt in order to understand things in this world.
"but basically described as love?" that i am not sure i can agree with. for example - you know as a concept communism (here's where i get burned at the stake) was a great notion, that humankind works for the greater good of humans, that in it's purest forms communism could have been the utopian society, now in practice it was one of the greatest evils known to humankind, it controlled and killed because it was corruptable, you can have leaders in a utopia...control corrupts. religion much the same way, we have fought, and are currently fighting wars that contrary to popular belief is over religious ideologies (with a dash of oil to boot) it is a struggle of my god is better than yours (now trust me on this since i am a desert storm combat veteran) they are as much fighting because of capital reasons as they are for religious purpose...corruption, because if religion (ALL religion) were so GOOD, why fight, why have to fight? humans are the only species on the planet that kills for the hell of it...think about it, we make up excuses (like the crusades) to kill. now i know i got off on a slight tangent, and yes diabase my grammer sucks...i typically write in a stream of thought. but my point is that once you introduce humanity in it's most corruptable form into anything you get the worst of things, humanity has several rules for a good and just society to abide by, and when you add the influence of religion into it you get corrupted.
architorturealist, I don't think you've written anything I disagree with. Yes, organized religions corrupt almost every notion of god I feel like I can believe.
to architorturealist and liberty bell: I read once that you have to work as if everything depended upon you, pray as if everything depended upon God.
liberty bell: organised religions ARE corrupt, but that is man's fault, not God's.
systematic religion is corrupt because ultimately it is a man's system.
but i wouldn't therefore assume that everyone who belongs to it as corrupt.
architorturealist: communism failed because it ignored the inherent corruption of man..
once you can deal with that reality, you can move on.. until that point you're just like sisyphus..
religion= social club, about, about, about, abrout, around (center you back to, scales to eyes). sun no light- sleep you. green back land to- sun, sun, sun, grow.
pasha i agree...i didn't want to start making this an overall debate on the failings of communism, more just trying to make a generalization of my point, which is that everything seems to ultimately fail because of the inherant corruption of man.
Love
Love suffers long, and is kind; love does not envy; love does not boast, is not puffed up.
Love does not behave disgracefully, does not seek its own, is not provoked to anger, thinks no evil;
Love does not rejoice over unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth;
Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
Love never fails.
can any human produce such love?
i can't..
love- all conqoors it. proof wrong, here now.
waiting...
study St Paul: you can't go wrong...
jd: you can go wrong.. so wrong, that you'll be twice dead..
pasha: you ask "can any human produce such love?" Of course they can... with God's grace... which is always there for the asking. It's in the air, it's everywhere...
if that you love, why you throw you made only your for guilt to my face? g^d no guilt made. why you make?
yes, it is His grace that gives us that power to love that way.. yet grace is given to the humble..
and to see the definition for humility, you need to look up the Word.
and also to sinners. Above churches should read the sign "Only Sinners Need Enter". It's quite pointless trying to be holier than God. If Jesus were around today he would be hanging around with porn stars and drug addicts, not churchgoers...
(... I thought you had to post a message in order for it to go through...)
thinking POD talking: light/dark before? > "illuminated darkness"
well, everyone is a sinner.. whether people realize it or not, that's another issue..(you're right, most churchgoers don't..)
Jesus despised iniquity.. he loved people.. irrespective of their status..
thousands were following him, yet only 12 remained.. and even one of those was of the devil..
most were following to get their stomachs filled, some to get higher knowledge, and few were looking for life..
nothing has changed in 2k years. very few follow him for the right reasons today..
if a drug addict or a porn star are happy and content in the shit that they live in.. what can Jesus do for them?
when he went to his hometown he couldn't help people there, because they rejected him..
but if someone is sick of the slavery of sin.. then yes, there is grace to be freed.. so at the end, there is no excuse..
just because he used such harsh language with the elites, doesn't mean that he hated them, or was some kind of a socialist hero.. they needed to hear that because their hearts were like stones...
Hello I am back again,
the Independence Holiday has been good. always love getting another day off work. It has given me an oppurtunity to think about your question and work on some answeres.
you've asked some good questions. I will answer each one. One at a time.
Question 1
If the bible is inspired why did men write it? VERY GOOD question?
Question 2
all you have to do is look at the 2000 year result of the bible's influence on the earth...let's see, for starters more people have been killed both directly and indirectly in the name of god. NOT EXACTLY. Not sure this is in the form of a question, But good to dicuss.
Question 3
Why did god make us in his image. Good question.
This one will take a while because I have to explain some Pre-earth Issues. So be patient.
I will answere each of these one at at time . Good to be back in in touch.
Question 1
If the bible is inspired why did men write it? VERY GOOD question?
Question 1
Is the Bible inspired if so how? That is the basis of the question.
Generally there are 3 theories of inspiration
a. The bible is not inspired, but a manufacturing of the human mind. I obviously reject this.
b Verbal inspiration - States that humans were Gods scribes and that God dictated word for word every line of the scripture. Humans were divine secretaries. I do no accept this theory either. There are major problems with this view. This view ignores, blatant statement of opinion, or recommendations, but, it ignore statements of observation made by authors, it also ignores commands from God to write what you see in prophecy and finally it does not deal fairly with the contradictions in scripture. For these reason I reject this view.
c. Thought inspiration - States, the ideas are inspired but the choice the specific words are up to the person. This I more of a dynamic view. I allows God to step in and say “I want this specifically to be said†or in Biblical language “Thus Says the Lordâ€, but it also allows God to say write how you understand it. Revelation is like this. He tells John to “write what you see.†God did not dictate to John exactly what to write. God trusted John to communicate what he saw, when God had and issue with what John was writing he stepped in and said don’t write that for example in the writing of the 7 thunders in revelation he said don’t write that. The rest he left to John.
This allows for opinions and contradictions. Paul writes advice in 1 Corinthians, I believe that is correct, that states “this is my opinion not the Lords†when giving counsel about marriage to a particular situation. This I clearly not inspired He also quotes a passage from the old testament that give an inaccurate number of armies. He says there are 25000 armies and the O.T. Says there are 26000 armies so how do you explain the contradiction? Does this prove the bible is not inspired no? From a historical perspective it may matter, but from a theological perspective it doses not because it dose not change the meaning of the text or change the picture of God, so moot point. That fact that
But how do you explain this? It could be there have been scribal errors, but not likely, the translations of the scripture from 600 BC until today have a whopping 65 errors or changes and none of these are major changes that affect the meaning of the text. It was probably that Paul just wrote it wrong and it has been faithfully copied until this day. So what does that say about the errors? God doesn’t care. It dose not effect our picture of Him.
To understand the inspiration of the Bible Think of “Star Warsâ€. The movies were filmed out of order, 4, 5, 6 then 1, 2, 3. They had many different people over many different years working on them yet they were able to achieve a unified movie. Wow why was this? Was it inspired? No. The reason for the unity was the Director George Lucas was still alive. He Shepherded the Project along from beginning to end. He did not work on every aspect of the project himself but oversaw the big picture and trusted the work to competent trained people. If there was a problem they could consult him. If he had a problem with an aspect of the film he would step in and say no not that, or here do it this way, or I want it like that. Make do doubt that about it that George Lucas influence was on the movie. The same is with God influence on the Bible.
God had been sheaperding the Scripture, His word, since it was first encountered Him. He some times has said write this or say that, some times people have just recorded there experience or recorded others experiences. Some times God say write what you see, or influences the Ideas that people are written about Him. Some times he says don’t write that, but in everything is designed to make His reputation known. That is the purpose of the scripture. I believe that is a satisfactory explanation of how Bible is inspired
Question 2
all you have to do is look at the 2000 year result of the bible's influence on the earth...let's see, for starters more people have been killed both directly and indirectly in the name of god. NOT EXACTLY. Not sure this is in the form of a question, But good to dicuss
Question 2 Answer
Johndevlin; liberty bell: organized religions ARE corrupt, but that is man's fault, not God's. Now you are getting the point, talking some sense. God constantly had to rebuke people in the scripture for this point.
The bible has been around for more then 2000 years, about 4000-6000, 6000 if you take the biblical story of the flood, the scripture that had been written up to that point would have been taken on the ark to survive the flood.
Second the impact of the bible on history has been a positive not a negative. If you are talking about one particular denomination, there is an explanation for that, they did not read and follow the instructions in the Bible. Which brings me to my next point if you don’t read and you follow the instruction given in the bible then it is worthless. People do that all the time. That is the difference religion and spirituality. Spiritual people try to do what God wants and what he has instructed. Religious people don’t necessarily try to do this, they try to impress people, keep up a good image, get power and status etc. Organized religion when it facilitates doing what God wants is a benefit, when it does not do what God wants is a curse.
In the future please elaborate if you are going to make a generalization like that. I think I know what you are getting at but I would like you to say it in specifics, so we can talk about specific situation.
To blame Christianity for the wars of other religions is not valid. To make a sweeping generalization is not fair or honest. If you want to talk about specific wars or situations where people have died in the name of “god’ then ok. That would be a more honest approach.
In the last century sometimes called the “bloodiest century†on record an estimated 100 million people died due to atheistic governments, so it seem that religion or non religion has nothing to do with war. The fact that more people have died in the name of religion is only because atheism is the relative new comer, but man they sure caught up fast, for over 1200 years of the dark ages an estimated 50-100 million people died in religious wars. Atheisms did that in 100 years, pretty scary.
goood moringing every one!!!
say you can- goverment some=religion, religion some=goerment?
muslim religion- goverment inside (allah imposed)
china man goverment- religion inside (mau mau mau mau mau)
death many these
War sucks
i hope that's not similar to "mouse gestures"
true. who wants to hear a song about everyday life? if the song was a hit, they'd next release a song called "i tied my shoelaces this morning."
http://www.lyricsdepot.com/kenny-chesney/she-thinks-my-tractors-sexy.html
i appreciate creativity. "strict constrictionsit" is classic
Dear Friends,
i want to begin by saying that you had been doing so good recently and all with no conversations about headphones "b****in" or Mies "f***in" this or Mies "f***in" that and I really proud of the effort by everyone here. Yes! Every single one of you because it could not be done by any one of you alone.
Unfortunately, we seem to have had a recent relapse. A very serious one too. (I'm speaking in a stern voice now in case you cannot tell) I've notice a number of recent topics with very disturbing discussions such as "Grosse Pointe Devil" and "Interns in Hell" and I now feel the need to redouble my efforts in bringing Christ to archinect!
So with that in mind, let's all begin by retiring early tonight (I'm speaking in normal voice now in case you could not tell) and thinking about Jesus as we drift off in dreamland! This should subconsciously set up tomorrow morning as a glorious start to the new day!
With Love!
eb
If you'd actually bother to read the bible instead of thumping it, you'd discover that throughout the course of his ministry on earth, Jesus never really gets pissed off until he encounters some sanctimonius, self-righteous jackass completely convinced of their own moral superiority. You know, somebody like you.
Archinect has made baby Jesus cry again...
jesus is dead...get over it
Go with Christ.
No seriously. Go.
From looking at this thread... IT'S TRUE! (2 Timothy 3:12)
...all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.
Now watch:
One's iniquity has separated them from God (Isaiah 59:2; Romans 5:12)
One cannot satisfy God by thier own achievements (Isaiah 64:6)
But it's ok. God wants to rescue everyone! (John 3:17; Isaiah 7:14)
God Loves everyone! (John 3:16)
Jesus is the only way to God (John 14:6)
Belive in the Lord and be saved! (Acts 16:31)
More Good News!
When you come to Him:
One must trust Him as Savior and confess him as Lord. (Romans 10:9; Matthew 10:32-33)
One cannot be taken away! (John 10:29)
Your thinking will change! (Romans 12:2)
God wants repentace from those who call to Him (Acts 17:30)
Jesus will always be with those who call on him (Matthew 28:20)
Jesus will help one from sinning (Jude 1:24)
I love Jesus (Mark 12:30)!
A sinner saved by grace (Luke 18:13),
eenie
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