I am giving you the big picture and I am at work, now. this evening I will tell you more. this info is usually given in 27 meeting over 5 weeks. so give me time to explain. I will take that if nessessary. I am not sure how literate people are in the bible, i assume not much, so I am not sure where to start. or how much to include or leave out. If I say to much too soon it won't make sense and be confusing. if I say to little the same thing happens. I think this is important so I will take the time to answer your guestions. but it will take time. Big pictue first then details.
A friend of mine who once studied theology called it, "knitting without any yarn". After this he wound up in a mental hospital. At least there he learned how to do something useful, like basketweaving and hooking rugs. He tossed his Bible in the garbage. He's fine now.
we are in the middle of a war., Between good and evil
Revelation say" and there was WAR in heaven and Michael and his angels fought aganist the DRAGON and his angles , and the DRAGON was cast down(kicked out) to the earth."
Some times the war is fought out side the chruch and some times in the church. Where ever the dragon can get a foot hold to destroy he will. espically aginsti thoes who do good.
The Dragons goal is to destroy people, If hes got you he'll leave you alone. The Dragon also want to discredit the good people and Christ who is the source of goodness, one of the ways he does this is to imporsonate Christ. through a false chruch and false christians.
recently in the Dutch news:
The post receives many letters addressed to GOD, recently they decided to forward this mail to the E.O. a Dutch evangelical broadcast corporation...
Now isn't that funny!
What happens to American mail for GOD?
i don't think i am pushing holier then thou attitude. I think you need to check yours. you think you are better, because you are not religious. sounds like an attidude to me. nobody is pushing anything. I was asked why I think Jesus is about to return and I am sharing that. If you don't like that maybe you should leave. People here have intense hatred towards Christianity , and with your perspective I'd hate it too, but I belive there is a fair explianation for this.
true religion tells you the truth about God and thinks about us. it also tell us what he wants' from us. How to live life in a way that pleases him.
God says his favor rests on this planet. that is good news
God say he wants to bless (benifit) people who ask, good news again
God want to help Good news again.
but there are condition to recieve this favor and blessings, you have to have a humble attitude, God hates proud, arrogant, people, religious or non-religious. false religion tells us that God doesen't like us and we have to do things to stop him from being angry at us, called apleasment , or he won't be nice to us. that is false, God made us and he likes us and he wants to help us.
False religion starts with the wrong picture of Who God and his attitude towards.
Second you have to follow his direction to recieve blessing. False religion tells you the wrong direction, or conditions, to recieve blessings. you have to be good enough or pray enough or do enough good things, it also tells you the wrong blessings you expect the wrong things or the right thing in th worng way.
True religion tells us the right way to get into heaven. it's by gods favor, not or actions
False religion say he will let us in if we are good enough. And how good is good enough???
False religion tell us that God will like us if we are good enough and let us into heaven.
True religion tell us that God likes us and will make us good enough to get into heaven if we let HIM. He will do the job for us.
True religion seeks to give life
False religon seek to destroy
true religion tells us the "truth" about life, reality and conseguences
False religion lies to us about reality and consequences
fair enough ice. apologies. you also have made many false statements about me. i do not think i am better than you. i am a catholic. i believe that each has the right to practice whatever religion they wish and respect those who do not practice their religion. i do not have a hatred toward chrisitanity. i have a problem when religious zealots [and i am not saying you are one] think that they have all the answers for everyone. i do not have hate. you can see some of my comments in the 'another reason to move to spain' thread as some proof.
I guess sense we don't know each other we are getting to know each other. I come from a seventh-day adventist background, a protesting demonitation. I hope you did not take the information about the Catholic Chruch personally. I certianlly think that people have the right to belive and worship how ever they want. The are ultimatle have to answer to God, not me for what they do and believe.
How ever I do not believe all religions are created equal and are eqully valid road to God. I do belive that there is good in many other religions and that is because God is good and give freely to any one who will take it, but i do not think all pictures of God offered by different religions are true or good.
I also believe that a person cannort really not know who God is unless he calls them and shows them and then you must follow what he is shown. this is what people will ultimatly be juged by God for. Did they live up to the understanding as God had shown them, I do belive that some religions and sects have better understanding of god then others
and I think we should try to improve our understand of God, so an open mind is nessary, but I do believe God will never contridict Himself. do not believe He is a schizo
Holy crap...I don't think I was going to say anything at all about this thread since I try to keep out of religious conversations since I am (what you religious folks call an atheist). I just like to consider myself more enlightened. Since I don't have to credit or blame my achievements or failures on anyone but me...I am my own savior
But, wow, what reinforces my argument about religion can be reinforced in ALL of the very judgmental postings before me. Mainly the opening posting: “I am not mad at any of you...just disappointed. But I think that if we open the discussion up to more enlightening topics, then Jesus will forgive you to!â€
What? Forgive? who are you to suggest that you are here to enlighten me or anyone else on archinect, if you feel that your life is so out of control that you need someone or thing to guide you life and that you are strong enough to do it yourself, well fine, guide yourself away…really, far away. But leave your preaching to yourself.
my world, jesus=devil. student of john baptist, had key sending john to head cut off. take head john baptist to slave make. john baptist= egypt mysteries graduate.
rome kill your jesus, no people jewish. that world upside from down.
ice, i think you are starting to show your "my religion is better than yours " attitude with statements like below. would you care to tell us which religions are worse, and for that matter better, than yours? this is exactly the language that i have issue with from religious ppl. who are you to judge what other ppl believe or not? your beliefs are no more relevant than anyone elses. >>
"How ever I do not believe all religions are created equal and are eqully valid road to God."
"...but i do not think all pictures of God offered by different religions are true or good."
"...I do belive that some religions and sects have better understanding of god then others"
yes i am showing what i believe. and you are showing what you believe. You will never be able to convince me that all religions are equal or valid that is just plain stupid. I have studied all sorts of religions and there are some that are definately better then others. For you to say other wise shows plain ignorance and narrow mindedness.
Just like i will be able to show you that all are not equal, you will not be able to show me that all equal and valid
yes i am showing what i believe. and you are showing what you believe. You will never be able to convince me that all religions are equal or valid that is just plain stupid. I have studied all sorts of religions and there are some that are definately better then others. For you to say other wise shows plain ignorance and narrow mindedness.
Just like i will be able to show you that all are not equal, you will not be able to show me that all equal and valid
uh, okay. we all believe differently, that does not mean one is better than the other. acknowledging difference is not ignorance. it's called tolerance and understanding.
In Asia there are religions say in order to please God you must stick hooks in you body, the more hooks the more God is pleased. that is foo.ish. what does God need with people stiking hooks in there body.
religions in india say if you roll on the ground enough and far enough god will like you. Why won't god Like us. that is foolish
some religions have required human sacrifice , to make god like us. why does god want to kill us? how is that equal with not killing us
some religions amputate a womans clitoris inorder to please god. is that good?? is that equal
some say you and I are god? If that is true why did some one have to tell us?? why do we die. i thought god was forever?
Some say there is no god. How do they know that? did they search every inch of the universe? could they be every where at every moment, the make sure he was not hiding. if they could the would prove that they were god.
I understand different religions and that is why i don't like them. People have the right to practice what they want, so long as it does not harm others. that is a GOD give right, but that does not mean they are equally good or valid.
what you believe or don't believe ultimately impacts how you behave.
take the hindu caste system. they say the certian people who are born with birth defects or children of people with birth defects are "untoachable". People who do certian jobs are untoachable. because of this they are denied work, clothing, food, education and advancement. they have done nothing worng. they were born on to this planet thruogh no fault of there own and should not be punished for things the did not cause. should we tollrate that? or should we stop that?
what you believe or don't believe ultimately impacts how you behave.
take the hindu caste system. they say the certian people who are born with birth defects or children of people with birth defects are "untoachable". People who do certian jobs are untoachable. because of this they are denied work, clothing, food, education and advancement. they have done nothing worng. they were born on to this planet thruogh no fault of there own and should not be punished for things the did not cause. should we tollrate that? or should we stop that?
"I understand different religions and that is why i don't like them. People have the right to practice what they want, so long as it does not harm others. that is a GOD give right, but that does not mean they are equally good or valid."
and that is the problem with religion as a hole.....
I can tell you that i have experiance something. i prayed to jesus one time. I needed an apartment and i had one in my price range and in a safe location. I also prayed for a car when I needed one and I recieved a car with 15000 miles on it. it was almost brand new and I paid $0 DOLLARS for it. Another time in college I had no money and I need clothes for the winter. I prayed and I found a box of almost new clothes in the brands and style I like. that is no accident and that is not a hole. I prayed for a Job and he pointed me to the job I have had for the last five years. Say what you want, but I know better.
I was raised Catholic, but hardly consider myself religious anymore. I think the actual teachings of Jesus of Nazareth--love, charity, free will and on and on are great--it's when you let ideological conservative fundamentalists distort and interpret those teachings and the Bible (written, what, 70 years after Jesus' death ????) that things get all screwed up. And while the Catholic Church may not be overly receptive towards homosexuals, unlike most evangelical protestant denominations, it does not condemn homosexual people, and accepts that people are born as homosexuals, but condemns homosexual acts. Just thought that all this Catholic-bashing needed a rebuttal since it's mostly these nutjob evangelicals who are screwing everything up..
also, wasn't Le Corbusier an atheist? Just think it's ironic that one of the most spiritual places I can think of would be designed by an atheist, but a good indication that you don't need to be a Christian to be spiritual.
from our Savior...with love!
I am giving you the big picture and I am at work, now. this evening I will tell you more. this info is usually given in 27 meeting over 5 weeks. so give me time to explain. I will take that if nessessary. I am not sure how literate people are in the bible, i assume not much, so I am not sure where to start. or how much to include or leave out. If I say to much too soon it won't make sense and be confusing. if I say to little the same thing happens. I think this is important so I will take the time to answer your guestions. but it will take time. Big pictue first then details.
A friend of mine who once studied theology called it, "knitting without any yarn". After this he wound up in a mental hospital. At least there he learned how to do something useful, like basketweaving and hooking rugs. He tossed his Bible in the garbage. He's fine now.
i am sorry for your freind. He must have got something wrong
imagination, it explains the world to me and why it is the way it is.
yeah, well imagination also give terrorists the ability to create even dirtier bombs.
cold, yes
but don't test the fire
ice dragon
good and evil
we are in the middle of a war., Between good and evil
Revelation say" and there was WAR in heaven and Michael and his angels fought aganist the DRAGON and his angles , and the DRAGON was cast down(kicked out) to the earth."
Some times the war is fought out side the chruch and some times in the church. Where ever the dragon can get a foot hold to destroy he will. espically aginsti thoes who do good.
The Dragons goal is to destroy people, If hes got you he'll leave you alone. The Dragon also want to discredit the good people and Christ who is the source of goodness, one of the ways he does this is to imporsonate Christ. through a false chruch and false christians.
and falese religon
false
false
gawd, i love when the religious try to push their all holier than thou values on others.
recently in the Dutch news:
The post receives many letters addressed to GOD, recently they decided to forward this mail to the E.O. a Dutch evangelical broadcast corporation...
Now isn't that funny!
What happens to American mail for GOD?
i don't think i am pushing holier then thou attitude. I think you need to check yours. you think you are better, because you are not religious. sounds like an attidude to me. nobody is pushing anything. I was asked why I think Jesus is about to return and I am sharing that. If you don't like that maybe you should leave. People here have intense hatred towards Christianity , and with your perspective I'd hate it too, but I belive there is a fair explianation for this.
true religion tells you the truth about God and thinks about us. it also tell us what he wants' from us. How to live life in a way that pleases him.
God says his favor rests on this planet. that is good news
God say he wants to bless (benifit) people who ask, good news again
God want to help Good news again.
but there are condition to recieve this favor and blessings, you have to have a humble attitude, God hates proud, arrogant, people, religious or non-religious. false religion tells us that God doesen't like us and we have to do things to stop him from being angry at us, called apleasment , or he won't be nice to us. that is false, God made us and he likes us and he wants to help us.
False religion starts with the wrong picture of Who God and his attitude towards.
Second you have to follow his direction to recieve blessing. False religion tells you the wrong direction, or conditions, to recieve blessings. you have to be good enough or pray enough or do enough good things, it also tells you the wrong blessings you expect the wrong things or the right thing in th worng way.
True religion tells us the right way to get into heaven. it's by gods favor, not or actions
False religion say he will let us in if we are good enough. And how good is good enough???
False religion tell us that God will like us if we are good enough and let us into heaven.
True religion tell us that God likes us and will make us good enough to get into heaven if we let HIM. He will do the job for us.
True religion seeks to give life
False religon seek to destroy
true religion tells us the "truth" about life, reality and conseguences
False religion lies to us about reality and consequences
appeasment
fair enough ice. apologies. you also have made many false statements about me. i do not think i am better than you. i am a catholic. i believe that each has the right to practice whatever religion they wish and respect those who do not practice their religion. i do not have a hatred toward chrisitanity. i have a problem when religious zealots [and i am not saying you are one] think that they have all the answers for everyone. i do not have hate. you can see some of my comments in the 'another reason to move to spain' thread as some proof.
I guess sense we don't know each other we are getting to know each other. I come from a seventh-day adventist background, a protesting demonitation. I hope you did not take the information about the Catholic Chruch personally. I certianlly think that people have the right to belive and worship how ever they want. The are ultimatle have to answer to God, not me for what they do and believe.
How ever I do not believe all religions are created equal and are eqully valid road to God. I do belive that there is good in many other religions and that is because God is good and give freely to any one who will take it, but i do not think all pictures of God offered by different religions are true or good.
I also believe that a person cannort really not know who God is unless he calls them and shows them and then you must follow what he is shown. this is what people will ultimatly be juged by God for. Did they live up to the understanding as God had shown them, I do belive that some religions and sects have better understanding of god then others
and I think we should try to improve our understand of God, so an open mind is nessary, but I do believe God will never contridict Himself. do not believe He is a schizo
the bunny was much better. who's next?
Satanical Puppy?
Holy crap...I don't think I was going to say anything at all about this thread since I try to keep out of religious conversations since I am (what you religious folks call an atheist). I just like to consider myself more enlightened. Since I don't have to credit or blame my achievements or failures on anyone but me...I am my own savior
But, wow, what reinforces my argument about religion can be reinforced in ALL of the very judgmental postings before me. Mainly the opening posting: “I am not mad at any of you...just disappointed. But I think that if we open the discussion up to more enlightening topics, then Jesus will forgive you to!â€
What? Forgive? who are you to suggest that you are here to enlighten me or anyone else on archinect, if you feel that your life is so out of control that you need someone or thing to guide you life and that you are strong enough to do it yourself, well fine, guide yourself away…really, far away. But leave your preaching to yourself.
architorturealist
wow, what is up with you.
architorturealist
wow, what is up with you.
my world, jesus=devil. student of john baptist, had key sending john to head cut off. take head john baptist to slave make. john baptist= egypt mysteries graduate.
rome kill your jesus, no people jewish. that world upside from down.
I am sad for you
ice, i think you are starting to show your "my religion is better than yours " attitude with statements like below. would you care to tell us which religions are worse, and for that matter better, than yours? this is exactly the language that i have issue with from religious ppl. who are you to judge what other ppl believe or not? your beliefs are no more relevant than anyone elses. >>
"How ever I do not believe all religions are created equal and are eqully valid road to God."
"...but i do not think all pictures of God offered by different religions are true or good."
"...I do belive that some religions and sects have better understanding of god then others"
I do think my religion is better then others. that's why i am a member. If i thought someone else religion was better I change.
You are a very postmodern thinker.
yes i am showing what i believe. and you are showing what you believe. You will never be able to convince me that all religions are equal or valid that is just plain stupid. I have studied all sorts of religions and there are some that are definately better then others. For you to say other wise shows plain ignorance and narrow mindedness.
Just like i will be able to show you that all are not equal, you will not be able to show me that all equal and valid
yes i am showing what i believe. and you are showing what you believe. You will never be able to convince me that all religions are equal or valid that is just plain stupid. I have studied all sorts of religions and there are some that are definately better then others. For you to say other wise shows plain ignorance and narrow mindedness.
Just like i will be able to show you that all are not equal, you will not be able to show me that all equal and valid
uh, okay. we all believe differently, that does not mean one is better than the other. acknowledging difference is not ignorance. it's called tolerance and understanding.
In Asia there are religions say in order to please God you must stick hooks in you body, the more hooks the more God is pleased. that is foo.ish. what does God need with people stiking hooks in there body.
religions in india say if you roll on the ground enough and far enough god will like you. Why won't god Like us. that is foolish
some religions have required human sacrifice , to make god like us. why does god want to kill us? how is that equal with not killing us
some religions amputate a womans clitoris inorder to please god. is that good?? is that equal
some say you and I are god? If that is true why did some one have to tell us?? why do we die. i thought god was forever?
Some say there is no god. How do they know that? did they search every inch of the universe? could they be every where at every moment, the make sure he was not hiding. if they could the would prove that they were god.
I understand different religions and that is why i don't like them. People have the right to practice what they want, so long as it does not harm others. that is a GOD give right, but that does not mean they are equally good or valid.
what you believe or don't believe ultimately impacts how you behave.
take the hindu caste system. they say the certian people who are born with birth defects or children of people with birth defects are "untoachable". People who do certian jobs are untoachable. because of this they are denied work, clothing, food, education and advancement. they have done nothing worng. they were born on to this planet thruogh no fault of there own and should not be punished for things the did not cause. should we tollrate that? or should we stop that?
what you believe or don't believe ultimately impacts how you behave.
take the hindu caste system. they say the certian people who are born with birth defects or children of people with birth defects are "untoachable". People who do certian jobs are untoachable. because of this they are denied work, clothing, food, education and advancement. they have done nothing worng. they were born on to this planet thruogh no fault of there own and should not be punished for things the did not cause. should we tollrate that? or should we stop that?
i like to double ,double post
I think that is stupid
I think that is stupid
it was a joke, joke. I double posted on accident
trigirl you and buckalski are completely insane
icedragon say's
"I understand different religions and that is why i don't like them. People have the right to practice what they want, so long as it does not harm others. that is a GOD give right, but that does not mean they are equally good or valid."
and that is the problem with religion as a hole.....
religion is a hole?
what is the problem they are not equally valid?? I am not clear on what you mean?
Also please define this word "Religion" what does it mean to you?
religion is a hole?? do you mean empty?? not sure what that means. clarify
religion is a hole?? do you mean empty?? not sure what that means. clarify
well isn't it good to know that all religion comes down to this
we got religion here!
I can tell you that i have experiance something. i prayed to jesus one time. I needed an apartment and i had one in my price range and in a safe location. I also prayed for a car when I needed one and I recieved a car with 15000 miles on it. it was almost brand new and I paid $0 DOLLARS for it. Another time in college I had no money and I need clothes for the winter. I prayed and I found a box of almost new clothes in the brands and style I like. that is no accident and that is not a hole. I prayed for a Job and he pointed me to the job I have had for the last five years. Say what you want, but I know better.
Jesus values my life and he values your
he wants to help you if you just ask? try it you might like it, but you are going to have to be humble. that is the hardest thing for humans.
I was raised Catholic, but hardly consider myself religious anymore. I think the actual teachings of Jesus of Nazareth--love, charity, free will and on and on are great--it's when you let ideological conservative fundamentalists distort and interpret those teachings and the Bible (written, what, 70 years after Jesus' death ????) that things get all screwed up. And while the Catholic Church may not be overly receptive towards homosexuals, unlike most evangelical protestant denominations, it does not condemn homosexual people, and accepts that people are born as homosexuals, but condemns homosexual acts. Just thought that all this Catholic-bashing needed a rebuttal since it's mostly these nutjob evangelicals who are screwing everything up..
also, wasn't Le Corbusier an atheist? Just think it's ironic that one of the most spiritual places I can think of would be designed by an atheist, but a good indication that you don't need to be a Christian to be spiritual.
you can argue all you want about religion and the chruch, but once you meet jesus you can't help, but believe the god values people.
jesus values your life and want to benifit your live and and value to it.
you can argue all you want about religion and the chruch, but once you meet jesus you can't help, but believe the god values people.
jesus values your life and want to benifit your live and and value to it.
icedragon: I might believe you more if your spelling and grammar were better...
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