Well, first, she's a zionist likely to support murdering innocent people. Second, she's a cheat, and has plagiarized from others in her work. Lastly, she is married to a hedge fund ghoul, Bill Ackman, he one of many responsible for Harvard's president getting fired, and for doxxing students who support Palestinians.
That's good to know. She is also someone who uses her sex appeal quite a bit and that's how the press likes her. Probably Epstein and Maxwell looked at her picture and said "Hmm that's a good one."
I'm not a fan of the outrage culture which currently seems to be working a lot harder at finding ways to disagree than agree. But I would love to see folks question the way in which architecture culture uncritically promote individuals and republish press releases as if it were journalism and criticism...
So now her husband has threatened to research every academic to root out any and every one who may have plagiarized, no doubt leading to chaos and embarrassment and prolonged ridiculous culture wars and it makes me feel even more strongly that the guy I read on Threads this morning was right: “Just one. We eat *just one* billionaire and the rest will fall in line.”
Neri is married to a nepo-billionaire hedge fund asshole Bill Ackman who made a lot of money shorting the housing market in 2009. She is an Israeli Zionist who cannot acknowledge any nuance regarding the Israel-Palestine conflict.
Neri's lab at MIT was funded in part by Jeffrey Epstein. Her massive new lab in midtown Manhattan is owned by her husband and the renovation was done by Rafael Vinoly. Their penthouse apartment overlooking Central Park is being done by Norman Foster.
Neri is lazily referred to as an architect by many, but has completed no architectural work and holds no architectural licensure (that I'm aware of). The "projects" listed on her practice's website are comprised of hypothetical research and temporary installations. The sole client for these projects is her own ego.
P.S. she looks like Bellatrix Lestrange... I take exception to claims that she is objectively attractive.
Can someone please read the 5,139 word Xitter post Neri’s husband made about how it’s acceptable for people he likes to plagiarize but not people he doesn’t? I don’t have the energy but would love to know the highlights.
I’ll add this: When I saw Mrs. Ackman’s talk at the AIA conference in Philadelphia I was completely blown away, and absolutely loved it. I stand by that, because the work is actually really interesting (there’s a podcast out there where I talk about it). And the fact that she is extremely well-crafted in how she presents her work, and also beautiful, doesn’t necessarily take away from how interesting the work is. Other characteristics of her might/do, but being able to captivate an audience isn’t always used for bad.
I don't have as strong feelings as others in the thread. I always thought Oxman's work was interesting. I think I can sum it up as turnabout is fair play and the billionaire hates it.
Yeah, Josh, I rarely feel good about dunking on people, but when they’re a billionaire, it just can’t bother me. The barbed language of an internet comment can’t (or shouldn’t, attn: Elon) hurt a billionaire. I mean Neri Oxman has everything in the world going positively for her, and if things are going badly she can just buy them back to being good again. I just have no energy to have pity for billionaires anymore.
I think Satan just makes you the bartender if you do that Non. It's a horrible job to have in hell. Ever try and strain out all the bones from a bloody Mary? It's tough.
Bill Ackman once personally called one of our writers and screamed at them for an hour on the phone, threatening to sue Archinect because he didn't like the way he was portrayed in a story we published about his NYT penthouse.
Neri's fanciful ideas about beehives are devoid of any knowledge about how bees actually live and operate. Hives are beautiful, but they are not art installations, they aren't built for our viewing pleasure, and bees are legitimately an endangered species now. She's a jerk.
Serious question - how is she a scammer? I don't know anything about her.
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SOD, how so? I am curious. This is a real question.
I find her ideas interesting up to a point, but they are exactly the hot air you would expect from someone who lives in the rarified atmosphere of excessive money and privilege. She has nothing motivating her to actually make something happen, and it shows. I'm a professional beekeeper btw so I find her ideas about honeycomb etc. to be especially inane. She doesn't know even the most basic facts about queens. Does she have some funny pyramid scheme I don't know about?
It's standard procedure in USA architectural academia for a person to have a line of bullshit like "the similarities between architecture and beekeeping" that they use a premise for their "investigations" (aka jargon-writing, art projects, and maybe some fantasy unbuilt building designs). You really can't get hired to teach at any US school otherwise.
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For me a "scam" has to involve a calculated attempt to squeeze money out of someone through dishonest means. I think Neri's ideas are half-baked, not very good, and loaded with academic blather, but I will bet anything that she believes they are good ideas. I could be wrong. Also her husband is subsidizing her. She's just not a serious person.
You're basically saying that because you don't like a persons academic or professional work then they're a scammer. By that logic you're a scammer.
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SOD is correct. The scam she is perpetrating is the idea that her work is leading to anything remotely resembling architecture, and I mean that in the strictest sense, given this fucking professions proclivity to exclude Hejduk, Lebbeus, Abraham and Pichler from their ranks. Add on top of that she’s leading gullible students into an area wholly situated in the mental masturbatory realm, which will ultimately lead to VC shills, and billionaire asshats tilting at Herbalife short sells. She’s a grifter, just like that fidget she married. There. Is that good enough?
Your premise is that her academic work isn't real architecture. I don't think much of your and my work would be considered real architecture.
Do I find her 'work' shallow, pretentious, and non functional? Yes. That doesn't make her a scammer.
As for her leading gullible students astray - that may be true. How often do you and SOM criticize students here for not 'thinking' about the programs they're in. Each of you have said that it's up to the student to figure these things out.
I get it - you don't like this woman because of her husband and her political views. I agree with you on this. That's fine. Just say that. Don't be disingenuous about your reasons and lie to justify your dislike.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but architecture, and by real I mean what most of us do, as licensed professionals, not esoterica by a non architect hack. Does her work create habitable spaces? Does it maintain life, health, safety, and dignity of the individual? I’ve stopped believing that my queries of students have value to them, I still believe that if you’re applying to graduate programs, and you don’t know what your question is, coming here and asking a bunch of anonymous randos how to plan life decisions, is stupid as fuck.
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Yeah, they’re gullible, and she’s stealing money from them, just like many of the grad programs; they’re part of human centipede that is this profession.
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I hate her husband, I don’t like her. I hate her husband primarily because he reminds me of the King from Shrek, a fidget. And mostly because he uses his stolen wealth to blacklist students for practicing their free speech rights. Believe me, I’d totally jerk one in his clam chowder if he came into a restaurant I worked at.
"Chad, I think you are arguing for the sake of argument. Firstly you say you dont know her work cuz you dont follow academia, and now you are violently defending here lol."
Not at all.
I didn't know who she was until this thread. Then I did a bit research into her and her work.
I'm not defending her work or her political views. I personally don't like either.
What I am doing is asking why you consider her a 'scammer'. You've given none and b3ta's reasoning is BS.
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Because you don't agree, doesn't mean shit to me. I find it evergreen that someone who both sides the murder of civilians, or defending c#nts blacklisting students for free speech rights - ie cancel culture - has an opinion worth entertaining.
If you don't like her then just say so. There is plenty of examples of her behavior that supports support our unfavorable views of her. Don't take the low road and fabricate things about her. It just makes your opinions less credible.
I doubt it. If he wanted out, I am sure the prenup provides an easy and discreet way to do that. Also I don't believe Oxman would ever divorce him-- she has about 4 billion reasons not to.
It's funny, abra, that when the rumor of them dating came out I was super-excited and figured they'd make the most beautiful babies ever. There's an article or thread here somewhere.
"...Jeb Bush...asked Biden why he didn’t pursue the Presidency himself in 2016. Biden offered an emotional explanation hinging on the death of his son, Beau Biden, in 2015, but cut the answer short with the comment: “I’m sorry . . . I’ve said enough.”
Ackman, his mouth apparently outrunning his brain, quipped: “Why? That’s never stopped you before.”
Biden, according to Fox sources who were present, turned to a nearby guest and asked regarding Ackman, “who is this asshole?”
He then addressed Ackman directly: “Look, I don’t know who you are, wiseass, but never disrespect the memory of my dead son!”
One wonders whether Ackman was more wounded by the former Vice President’s harsh words, or by the fact that he didn’t know who Ackman was. But the hedge funder reportedly attempted an apology. Biden responded by telling him to “just shut the hell up.”"
I bolded the part that I think is true. What a self-important weasel.
Probably because Israel is the only US alley in the area. The same reason why other nations support Hamas and Hezbollah. Nobody cares about the people of the region, only what political and strategic advantage each group can provide to their supporting nations.
Oh dear God, Neri Oxman is demented! Look what I found. Her tweets sound like the random deep thoughts parody on SNL or Cunk on Earth, only without the humor:
That hit water bottles designed by Droog looks like a butt plug. And if Oxman cares about sustainability, there is nothing charming about her flower pressing kit.
Do you think she was trying to be funny? I think she posted with the utmost seriousness. Maybe she is trying to be Yoko Ono? If Ackman really wants to take on higher ed, I hope someone is advising him that his wife is not going to come out of this smelling very good.
Academia is goofy, so who knows. Maybe he feels it's the same, but I don't think it is.
There are a lot of ad-hominem and race-bating attacks connected to the latest celebrity examples of sloppy attribution (ie, Gay and Oxman). AZP had something else going on. It was more about petty personal politics than the national and racial politics connected to this thread. This stuff is a lot more muddy and harder to discuss on its own terms.
I have no idea what's going on with Neri Oxman, and at this point I'm too afraid to ask.
Actually just too lazy to go read any of the numerous articles.
Anyone care to fill me in?
Well, first, she's a zionist likely to support murdering innocent people. Second, she's a cheat, and has plagiarized from others in her work. Lastly, she is married to a hedge fund ghoul, Bill Ackman, he one of many responsible for Harvard's president getting fired, and for doxxing students who support Palestinians.
All around pieces of shit, both of them.
That's good to know. She is also someone who uses her sex appeal quite a bit and that's how the press likes her. Probably Epstein and Maxwell looked at her picture and said "Hmm that's a good one."
There were some peripheral relations to Epstein as well.
I'm not a fan of the outrage culture which currently seems to be working a lot harder at finding ways to disagree than agree. But I would love to see folks question the way in which architecture culture uncritically promote individuals and republish press releases as if it were journalism and criticism...
Basically, we should probably be ashamed of the crushes we had on her in school during the 2000s
She taught Brad Pitt everything he knows about architecture!
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Disgusting sexist comments Rick
Rick I (probably like most people here) have you blocked so I can't see what bullshit you posted, only that you posted something.
Please accept the fact that nobody wants to hear what you have to say and kindly fuck off to somewhere else.
luvu - I find Rick's comment sexist. I find that your shaming Oxman for using her sex appeal even more disgusting and sexist than what Rick has said.
So now her husband has threatened to research every academic to root out any and every one who may have plagiarized, no doubt leading to chaos and embarrassment and prolonged ridiculous culture wars and it makes me feel even more strongly that the guy I read on Threads this morning was right: “Just one. We eat *just one* billionaire and the rest will fall in line.”
i would be happy to bring a charcuterie tray and wine when you're ready.
But what does one pair with billionaire?
Left bank bordeaux
Neri is married to a nepo-billionaire hedge fund asshole Bill Ackman who made a lot of money shorting the housing market in 2009. She is an Israeli Zionist who cannot acknowledge any nuance regarding the Israel-Palestine conflict.
Neri's lab at MIT was funded in part by Jeffrey Epstein. Her massive new lab in midtown Manhattan is owned by her husband and the renovation was done by Rafael Vinoly. Their penthouse apartment overlooking Central Park is being done by Norman Foster.
Neri is lazily referred to as an architect by many, but has completed no architectural work and holds no architectural licensure (that I'm aware of). The "projects" listed on her practice's website are comprised of hypothetical research and temporary installations. The sole client for these projects is her own ego.
P.S. she looks like Bellatrix Lestrange... I take exception to claims that she is objectively attractive.
Can you describe how fake of an architect she is in units of Rick?
some of us have had crushes on Helena Bonham Carter for forever dammit. Bellatrix is my ideal goth girl
Clearly Brad Pitt (Fight Club) is the common denominator
If an erection lasts for longer than 4hrs after reading this post, call your doctor.
^ Do you mean doctor, or "doctor"? Are we talkin' lab coats and urine samples, or turtlenecks and footnotes?
Can someone please read the 5,139 word Xitter post Neri’s husband made about how it’s acceptable for people he likes to plagiarize but not people he doesn’t? I don’t have the energy but would love to know the highlights.
I’ll add this: When I saw Mrs. Ackman’s talk at the AIA conference in Philadelphia I was completely blown away, and absolutely loved it. I stand by that, because the work is actually really interesting (there’s a podcast out there where I talk about it). And the fact that she is extremely well-crafted in how she presents her work, and also beautiful, doesn’t necessarily take away from how interesting the work is. Other characteristics of her might/do, but being able to captivate an audience isn’t always used for bad.
I don't have as strong feelings as others in the thread. I always thought Oxman's work was interesting. I think I can sum it up as turnabout is fair play and the billionaire hates it.
Yeah, Josh, I rarely feel good about dunking on people, but when they’re a billionaire, it just can’t bother me. The barbed language of an internet comment can’t (or shouldn’t, attn: Elon) hurt a billionaire. I mean Neri Oxman has everything in the world going positively for her, and if things are going badly she can just buy them back to being good again. I just have no energy to have pity for billionaires anymore.
wow.
I have the sound of Hawking's robo voice saying 'oh baby' over and over again. If there is a hades I'm going there.
Don't worry, Chad. I'm sure Seth MacFarlane has the entire Hades Hilton eternally booked for creating all those (often hilarious) SH bits.
Whoops! I guess I'm going, too!
Chad, I’ll save you a seat up at the bar.
^ Sure, but try to get him to buy a round...
Wait, Daniel Day-Lewis is going to be there too? Sweet.
Yeah, but bring yer wallet.
What percent do you tip in hell?
It's hell so either 100% or 1%. It's hard to tell.
If you skip out on the bill, do you get tossed out and land in heaven? Satan hates this one simple trick.
I think Satan just makes you the bartender if you do that Non. It's a horrible job to have in hell. Ever try and strain out all the bones from a bloody Mary? It's tough.
Can we go back to talking about Helena Bonham Carter?
I just…what a baby. Paying lawyers to pathetically defend something that’s commonly acknowledged as lazy plagiarism. Money can’t buy intelligence.
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
A fun fact:
Bill Ackman once personally called one of our writers and screamed at them for an hour on the phone, threatening to sue Archinect because he didn't like the way he was portrayed in a story we published about his NYT penthouse.
whomever it was screamed at, can wear it as a badge of honor.
C&D letters are meant to be framed and hung on a wall. That's about all they're good for anyway
Here I go (scurries off to read the Ackman penthouse article)
Donna, we took it down. The article was not worth a lawsuit. You can see the archive of it here: https://web.archive.org/web/20211117000137/https://archinect.com/news/article/150288537/billionaire-trump-supporter-unveils-designs-for-a-penthouse-that-will-concretely-secure-his-status-as-an-unassailable-asshole
Gee, I wonder why he got so upset. Very odd. ;)
Ha! To be fair, that version was only up for a couple of minutes before an editor changed it to this.
It was the edited version that Ackman saw and complained about.
why do crooks get upset when they're called out?
archinect, legendary to repost the link using wayback machine
Thank you Archinect
LOL I had completely forgotten about that article and I commented on it, TWICE, including this:
Personally, when I hear the word “plutocrat” what I always hear is “asshole”.
I swear I did not see Josh's original headline!
BILL AND NERI SITTING IN A TREE - P.L.A.G.E.R.I.Z-ING!
clever panda
Neri's fanciful ideas about beehives are devoid of any knowledge about how bees actually live and operate. Hives are beautiful, but they are not art installations, they aren't built for our viewing pleasure, and bees are legitimately an endangered species now. She's a jerk.
Serious question - how is she a scammer? I don't know anything about her.
SOD, how so? I am curious. This is a real question. I find her ideas interesting up to a point, but they are exactly the hot air you would expect from someone who lives in the rarified atmosphere of excessive money and privilege. She has nothing motivating her to actually make something happen, and it shows. I'm a professional beekeeper btw so I find her ideas about honeycomb etc. to be especially inane. She doesn't know even the most basic facts about queens. Does she have some funny pyramid scheme I don't know about?
It's standard procedure in USA architectural academia for a person to have a line of bullshit like "the similarities between architecture and beekeeping" that they use a premise for their "investigations" (aka jargon-writing, art projects, and maybe some fantasy unbuilt building designs). You really can't get hired to teach at any US school otherwise.
For me a "scam" has to involve a calculated attempt to squeeze money out of someone through dishonest means. I think Neri's ideas are half-baked, not very good, and loaded with academic blather, but I will bet anything that she believes they are good ideas. I could be wrong. Also her husband is subsidizing her. She's just not a serious person.
That's not a scam SOM.
You're basically saying that because you don't like a persons academic or professional work then they're a scammer. By that logic you're a scammer.
SOD is correct. The scam she is perpetrating is the idea that her work is leading to anything remotely resembling architecture, and I mean that in the strictest sense, given this fucking professions proclivity to exclude Hejduk, Lebbeus, Abraham and Pichler from their ranks. Add on top of that she’s leading gullible students into an area wholly situated in the mental masturbatory realm, which will ultimately lead to VC shills, and billionaire asshats tilting at Herbalife short sells. She’s a grifter, just like that fidget she married. There. Is that good enough?
Not really.
Your premise is that her academic work isn't real architecture. I don't think much of your and my work would be considered real architecture.
Do I find her 'work' shallow, pretentious, and non functional? Yes. That doesn't make her a scammer.
As for her leading gullible students astray - that may be true. How often do you and SOM criticize students here for not 'thinking' about the programs they're in. Each of you have said that it's up to the student to figure these things out.
I get it - you don't like this woman because of her husband and her political views. I agree with you on this. That's fine. Just say that. Don't be disingenuous about your reasons and lie to justify your dislike.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but architecture, and by real I mean what most of us do, as licensed professionals, not esoterica by a non architect hack. Does her work create habitable spaces? Does it maintain life, health, safety, and dignity of the individual? I’ve stopped believing that my queries of students have value to them, I still believe that if you’re applying to graduate programs, and you don’t know what your question is, coming here and asking a bunch of anonymous randos how to plan life decisions, is stupid as fuck.
Yeah, they’re gullible, and she’s stealing money from them, just like many of the grad programs; they’re part of human centipede that is this profession.
I hate her husband, I don’t like her. I hate her husband primarily because he reminds me of the King from Shrek, a fidget. And mostly because he uses his stolen wealth to blacklist students for practicing their free speech rights. Believe me, I’d totally jerk one in his clam chowder if he came into a restaurant I worked at.
sameolddoctor wrote:
"Chad, I think you are arguing for the sake of argument. Firstly you say you dont know her work cuz you dont follow academia, and now you are violently defending here lol."
Not at all.
I didn't know who she was until this thread. Then I did a bit research into her and her work.
I'm not defending her work or her political views. I personally don't like either.
What I am doing is asking why you consider her a 'scammer'. You've given none and b3ta's reasoning is BS.
Because you don't agree, doesn't mean shit to me. I find it evergreen that someone who both sides the murder of civilians, or defending c#nts blacklisting students for free speech rights - ie cancel culture - has an opinion worth entertaining.
But I do agree with you b3ta.
After researching Oxman I find her repulsive.
She's not a scammer though.
If you don't like her then just say so. There is plenty of examples of her behavior that supports support our unfavorable views of her. Don't take the low road and fabricate things about her. It just makes your opinions less credible.
Someone on Insta theorized that Ackman wants a divorce but doesn't want to say so, so he slash-and-burned his wife's career so she'll leave him.
I'm not one for idle gossip of course... (/sarcasm)
Rich people are weird.
I doubt it. If he wanted out, I am sure the prenup provides an easy and discreet way to do that. Also I don't believe Oxman would ever divorce him-- she has about 4 billion reasons not to.
Brad - "You party?"
Neri - "What's that?"
Brad - "OK, nice to meet you, bye..."
It's funny, abra, that when the rumor of them dating came out I was super-excited and figured they'd make the most beautiful babies ever. There's an article or thread here somewhere.
This dude is shameless, indeed. From https://fortune.com/2017/06/24...
"...Jeb Bush...asked Biden why he didn’t pursue the Presidency himself in 2016. Biden offered an emotional explanation hinging on the death of his son, Beau Biden, in 2015, but cut the answer short with the comment: “I’m sorry . . . I’ve said enough.”
Ackman, his mouth apparently outrunning his brain, quipped: “Why? That’s never stopped you before.”
Biden, according to Fox sources who were present, turned to a nearby guest and asked regarding Ackman, “who is this asshole?”
He then addressed Ackman directly: “Look, I don’t know who you are, wiseass, but never disrespect the memory of my dead son!”
One wonders whether Ackman was more wounded by the former Vice President’s harsh words, or by the fact that he didn’t know who Ackman was. But the hedge funder reportedly attempted an apology. Biden responded by telling him to “just shut the hell up.”"
I bolded the part that I think is true. What a self-important weasel.
Sorry, that's not fair to weasels.
Probably because Israel is the only US alley in the area. The same reason why other nations support Hamas and Hezbollah. Nobody cares about the people of the region, only what political and strategic advantage each group can provide to their supporting nations.
Oh dear God, Neri Oxman is demented! Look what I found. Her tweets sound like the random deep thoughts parody on SNL or Cunk on Earth, only without the humor:
https://slate.com/human-intere...
This is what gets tenure at MIT? Seriously?
That's not a scammer. That's privilege and nepotism. One is illegal. One is unethical. Both are bad.
That Slate article is actually very funny.
That hit water bottles designed by Droog looks like a butt plug. And if Oxman cares about sustainability, there is nothing charming about her flower pressing kit.
Do you think she was trying to be funny? I think she posted with the utmost seriousness. Maybe she is trying to be Yoko Ono? If Ackman really wants to take on higher ed, I hope someone is advising him that his wife is not going to come out of this smelling very good.
What do you suppose AZP/tigerstoo thinks about this whole contretemps? As I recall he also plagiarized from Wikipedia.
Academia is goofy, so who knows. Maybe he feels it's the same, but I don't think it is.
There are a lot of ad-hominem and race-bating attacks connected to the latest celebrity examples of sloppy attribution (ie, Gay and Oxman). AZP had something else going on. It was more about petty personal politics than the national and racial politics connected to this thread. This stuff is a lot more muddy and harder to discuss on its own terms.
Plus AZP just went completely insane and racist. I'd say check his twitter, but no one wants to read that. He's horrible.
I'm very glad to no be on twitter. Eeeep.
Whooooaaa that is a rabbit hole I think I will sidestep.
I didn't know both her parents were architects and theorists
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