If the owner decides that the basic design and the detailed design are done by different companies, why is an architect needed in the detailed design if an engineering company can do the construction drawings? Because the architect has not the knowledge of façade engineers and other consultants… and the “design” is already done in the basic phase.
If you meant 'Detailed Design' as a phase you would produce Construction Documents, Permitting, and Construction Administration, then, yes, the architect can potentially play a bigger role in stamping the permit sets and remain as the AOR through the construction to ensure the design intent. An owner can structure a contract to split the original design architect and the AOR. You can have the original architect to produce BOD (up to DD) and create a Bridging document, then the owner can take it to the Design Build Contractors who may have an architect under their contract to inherit the design and develop it further for permitting and construction.. I guess I am not quite sure what you meant by 'detailed design'... You made an example of a façade, say a curtain walls, can be a design build item detailed by the CW installer.. However, you, as an architect, still need to come up with the connection details and how they interface with the rest of the building envelope (also need to coordinate with structural and other engineers). You need to ensure how the curtainwalls supposed to look and function as you originally designed. There may be lot of design build, delegated design components in buildings, but the architect still plays a major role in coordinating and managing the design quality/intent. I hope this helps..
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Hello.
If the owner decides that the basic design and the detailed design are done by different companies, why is an architect needed in the detailed design if an engineering company can do the construction drawings? Because the architect has not the knowledge of façade engineers and other consultants… and the “design” is already done in the basic phase.
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Which phase is the basic one? SD, DD, CD, CA...
Sounds like someone is trying to skip out on his architect's fees. You do know we do far more than "basic design"... right?
Don't forget coffee. We are responsible for making sure all of the team members have coffee.
mdcruncostuff - You already asked this question a month ago.
Project phases;
- super excited as you got a call for a new project
- mildly excited as you get the project brief / survey / budget and nothing really aligns
- on fuck should a bail on this..., client is a jerk / no hope in hell to meet budget or unrealistic schedule
- kinda pumped cause you architect'd the shit outta that project made magic out or horse shit
- fuckin' grindin to get in the permit applications
- make excuses cause you know client / budget / authorities
- sufferfest through construction with contractor who knows it all
- sigh / relief, project completion and fear you will be sued but don't care cause .... you are super excited as you got a call for a new project!
If you meant 'Detailed Design' as a phase you would produce Construction Documents, Permitting, and Construction Administration, then, yes, the architect can potentially play a bigger role in stamping the permit sets and remain as the AOR through the construction to ensure the design intent. An owner can structure a contract to split the original design architect and the AOR. You can have the original architect to produce BOD (up to DD) and create a Bridging document, then the owner can take it to the Design Build Contractors who may have an architect under their contract to inherit the design and develop it further for permitting and construction.. I guess I am not quite sure what you meant by 'detailed design'... You made an example of a façade, say a curtain walls, can be a design build item detailed by the CW installer.. However, you, as an architect, still need to come up with the connection details and how they interface with the rest of the building envelope (also need to coordinate with structural and other engineers). You need to ensure how the curtainwalls supposed to look and function as you originally designed. There may be lot of design build, delegated design components in buildings, but the architect still plays a major role in coordinating and managing the design quality/intent. I hope this helps..
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